A Case for AmigaOS 1.3

[@bozimmerman]

Been awhile since an Amiga video had me this enthralled. I had to go back to take notes when it was over so I can go upgrade my a1k workbench. Great stuff.

[@AmigaLove]

Holy smokes, Bo - the legend! You made my day. Thanks, I really appreciate it.

[@mark12358]

SO TRUE a comment!

[@RonHelton]

OPUS and DOPUS are still awesome. I worked in a computer store that catered to Commodore computers in the early 90s. I repaired the machines and helped with the software sales. It drove me nuts trying to understand why they could or would not keep up with demand. We sold everything on the day it arrived in the store. It was insane. Software, hardware. All sold on the same day that they arrived. If Commodore had better management, it could have been the leader in home computing.

[@AmigaLove]

That's so fascinating, and sad, to hear, Ron. Where was your store located?

[@RonHelton]

@@AmigaLove Oklahoma City

[@wildstar1063]

@@RonHelton Did you work at the Commodore Amiga Store that was on N. May Ave. just north of NW. 63rd St.? I can't remember the name of the store at the moment, but I bought my Amiga 3000 there In the early 90s. It finally died sometime in the early 2000's, I got my first Internet experiences on that machine. I still have an Amiga 4000 and the very rare Amiga 3000 tower, but mostly I use the amazing new Vampire FPGA based Amiga clone.

[@RonHelton]

@@wildstar1063 I worked at Second Hand Software at 23rd and MacArthur. There was a different store around the area that you mentioned. I can't recall the name of it, I had only been there one time but one of the owners of that store used to come and hang out with us at the store on 23rd street. I just looked at Google maps and the buildings are all still there but none of the businesses are there anymore. Wow, it looks like a lot has changed there.

[@IgorKolar]

This is awesome :) It's a real treat to see how many concepts translated into future operating systems and programs. I use, or have used nearly all of these features on Windows machines (having never had an actual Amiga) at some point. It's nice to see their origin :)

[@patchso]

For me, WB2 and 3 were what I ‘grew up’ with and it’s those that press my nostalgia button. Having said that, the majority of games I run under emulation are set up as A500 WB1.3 as that’s the most efficient for emulation. Nice list of utilities though.

[@AS-ly3jp]

This is awesome! Thank you for that video! Last year i got into the Amiga world and recently purchased a A1000 and am trying to integrate it to my office work life. This is just perfect! Thanks!!!

[@AmigaLove]

Glad you find it useful, Andreas! Some of the upgrades will take a bit of understanding if you aren't used to modifying your startup sequence or user startup files. But in the end you won't destroy anything. Does your A1K have a hard drive solution?

[@Abrothers100]

Amazing video! Excited to get my parceiro Saturday!

[@AmigaLove]

ooooh you're gonna love it! Congrats! And thanks for the kind words!

[@10MARC]

So you are one of those guys who says "Clee" instead of See El Eye for the CLI... Now I am not sure we can be friends anymore...🤣🤣 Cool video! I was working on an Amiga OS 1.3 tutorial to go along with my 3.x tutorial series until my A500 went bonkers. Maybe I will set up one of my A2000's under 1.3 Love 64Door! Never heard of it until today, but I will be checking that out!

[@AmigaLove]

Doug, you are going to LOVE 64Door!! And it really does simply work flawlessly on 1.3 machines. You can download it off Amigalove.com from the attached article down below (it's not on Aminet for some weird reason). If you use a 1200 or some other machine it may require you boot from floppy because there's some sort of mystery 1.3 library it seems to want. In 1.3 you can actually run it right off the hard drive, too, which is awesome. It makes visiting Particles and all those amazing C64 BBSes a total dream. Heck yeah keep one of your lovely A2K ladies 1.3. That'll keep her distinct from all the other space rocket Amigas you've got whenever you need that nostalgia fix. Thanks for checking out my video. And I'll "CLI" you later! :D

[@AmigaLove]

@Doug one other thing, since I hear about this by someone else, too. OS 1.3 *trained me* to say "Clee" after looking at this for countless days: imgur.com/a/PQMeFHw See what I mean? :)

[@patchso]

I say “cleye”, but them I’m weird :-)

[@jonwilliamson3072]

Another famous battle was DF-oh and DF-ZERO. Many fights broke over that one....

[@10MARC]

@@jonwilliamson3072 I still have a friend that pronounces the AGA Chipset as ah-gah instead of the letters A G A. I cringe every time I hear it!

[@roscoe500]

Some awesome add-ons for 1.3 there. I run 3.1 with the 1.3 themed ClassicWB on my A500 but I'm tempted to pop that 1.3 ROM back in and try this out instead. Thanks for the video!

[@AmigaLove]

Glad you enjoyed it, Daniel! I do enjoy living in this world. =)

[@f1lupo]

What a great vid! I’ve kept my original Amiga 1000 all these years as I could never sell it...would be like cutting off a part of my body lol AmiDock is just amazing ! Can’t believe I never heard of it back in the day

[@AmigaLove]

You should check it out! It is indeed very, very cool. Talk about a productivity burst! And if you need any of my own custom icons, don't be shy.

[@f1lupo]

@@AmigaLove Just did yesterday on my birthday go figure :-)

[@75slaine]

Nice collection of your 1.3 mods Eric. I’ve been meaning to setup AmiDock and WShell after seeing them here. This video has just given me the kick in the pants I needed to do it. 👍

[@AndreAguiar]

Brings back memories when I first started with my A1000 (sitting in a bin right now). One day I shall put it thru it’s paces.

[@AmigaLove]

No day like the present! The A1K was built like a tank. I bet she fires right up without even batting an eyelash, wondering where you've been all these years. =)

[@AndreAguiar]

@@AmigaLove Desktop real estate is a factor but did power it on a few months back. My floppies are junk so need to get some fresh ones. I do know it has a Spirit board but I’ll be honest don’t remember installing it, I blame my brother 😆

[@AmigaLove]

@@AndreAguiar LOL! That's what I always do. :D

[@WeijuWu]

I remember back in the day I updated my A2000B from 1.3 to 2.04, and that was what I used for most applications until I took a break from Amiga computers. Since getting back, I tend to prefer the look of OS 1.x, it's just so distinctly Amiga, the colors, initially chosen to look good on bad TVs, but they invoke nostalgic emotions in me.

[@AmigaLove]

Hi Wei-ju Wu - yes! You said it so perfectly. I have other machines that really do go above and beyond what 1.3 offers, but there's definitely something very powerful about that original vision that draw me in. On top of that, to discover so much activity and love that poured from all over into the 1.3 environment really is inspiring, I think. Thanks for watching!

[@Steril707]

I think white and blue looks still amazing. No wonder it got copied by Apple later on with the Aqua theme.

[@andreataglietti7515]

I always loved the original 1.x colors... black, white, blu and ORANGE... OS2.x and 3.x are so colorless, and dark like the original PCs ....

[@nevilovermann797]

Yes, another AmigaLove video. And a subject near and dear to my heart. I love my ks1.4 A3000 and A1000 for their stellar wb1.3 experience :)

[@ChrisSkitch]

Excellent video, thank you! Had a nostalgia rush when you mention the legendary Fred Fish and loved the Amiga Addict Easter egg. Such a great time to be an Amigan!

[@PixelsAtDawn]

I don't think I'll ever get used to copies of Amiga Addict creeping into shot. Great video as always!

[@huhummmmmmm]

I keep coming back to this.

[@TheMcflyster]

Great video man! Thanks for the upload. I must build a 1.3 system and try all those programs on you top 10 list 😀

[@AmigaLove]

If you do, I hope you'll shoot me pics of your screens and let me know your thoughts of the software! I LOVE this environment all jacked up like this. It makes me almost feel spoiled! Thanks for checking it out.

[@michaelwallen738]

Excellent Video! What great options for “old blue”! Well organized video so you can jump to a specific program if you want.. I will watch this multiple times.. I should also mention the historical significance of capturing these things on video with detailed review.. thank you

[@AmigaLove]

Hey Mike! Glad you were able to check it out today. Thanks for the kind words. It was a labor of love for sure!

[@UncleAwesomeRetro]

lovely video :) It was very interesting to see what programs you used, and that background image was very impressive :)

[@Steril707]

Amazing video. Great to see some love for the old OCS machines... :)

[@AmigaLove]

Thanks! It was a real labor of love putting that video and machine together. I wish I'd put even more applications in there, but maybe some day I'll make a Part 2. =)

[@Steril707]

@@AmigaLove Love all your Amiga stuff, mate. Lots of positivity, creative usage, and feeling the heritage.. Looking forward to your next video.. A fellow A100 brother... ;)

[@batteman]

Workbench 1.3, the one we love! Brilliant video! Now I want to try WP Library and, maybe someone will be able to synchronise it with Google Agenda (I hope it too for PolyOrga, an OS3.1 and MorphOS agenda!). Very great video! Bravo Eric! 👍😉

[@AmigaLove]

Thank you so much - and I owe part of it to you, too! You were a huge help and awesome guide. See you around the 'netz! =)

[@rtype4930]

This room seems like the "Temple" of the AMiGA ! Everything inside is sacred ! Long live the Commodore AMiGA!

[@AmigaLove]

Hah! Oh man, you should see the other side of the room. That's where the Commodore 8 Bits live. =)

[@herdware]

That qmouse looks really sweet.

[@AmigaLove]

It IS really sweet! Kind of amazing how many things it can do, too. Should have been called "morethanMouse" or 'QMouse Pro" or something. :D

[@joel_ricci]

Do you know if it works on a 2.0 system?

[@AmigaLove]

@@joel_ricci I've not tried it on 2.0. I wouldn't be surprised if it worked, though.

[@vcv6560]

This video really shows off the virtues of the SD hard drive emulator (Parcerio), I've already put my name on Dave's list. But to the point of the video these utilities look great, and many I had not know before.

[@AmigaLove]

The Parceiro really is a fantastic device. It is the complete modern reinterpretation of the original expansions from back in the day, yet takes almost no space and is quiet as a mouse. I love it. And yeah - the utilities are a lot of fun and really enhance the overall experience. I hope you enjoy exploring some of them!

[@jjock3239]

I converted from 1.3 to ARP 1.3. It was a freeware version available on the Fred Fish Disks. It was faster, and worked great. (ARP, meant Amidos Replacement Project.) Goto Wiki Amiga Replacement Project, for a full description.

[@juancalderon1315]

Fantastic video, it motivated me to setup a 1.3 system on my A500. Thanks to the ACA500Plus I can boot in either 3.1 or 1.3 instantly. May write something about our old blue friend for K&A Plus :)

[@jazzthief81]

Very informative video for us die hards. Many thanks!

[@AmigaLove]

So glad you enjoyed it, Lars - and thanks for checking it out! Commodore Blue forever! ;)

[@SledgeFox]

This is wonderful! Thank you very much!

[@AmigaLove]

Thank you for watching - I'm glad you enjoyed it! It was a total pleasure for me, as well... the content is kind of an obsession of mine. :)

[@SledgeFox]

@@AmigaLove guess we will be obsessed for life... 😁 A-1000 was just years ahead of everything!

[@aztockdog]

Awesome! Really takes me back to my A500 :)

[@daishi5571]

I had a KS1.2 A500 from 1988 till 92 when I upgraded to the A1200. I I used many productivity programs on the A500 and made a lot of money off it mainly doing terrain images and animation and raytracing (mostly for corps but I did a cover for a DnB single of a green crystal female face). So when ppl try to insist that the old OS (pre KS 2.0) wasn't very good I let them know how wrong they were. While I prefer KS 3 it is built upon the building block of the older systems.

[@theamigashow9506]

Great video! So much in here, I need to watch it again :O)

[@amigaireland8956]

Fantastic video, well done. Somone did make a Google Drive client for Amiga, so I'm sure calendar integration would be possible.

[@AmigaLove]

OMG if that's the case I'll have to research that over the weekend. I remember seeing a DropBox client, but it was purely for file storage (which is likely what the Google Drive program does, too). That being said, if they can go that far it does seem to reason that handshake might be possible. Maybe. What do I know? Thanks for watching! Have a good one

[@LeftoverBeefcake]

@@AmigaLove Part of it is figuring out how WP Library stores its calendar data file, which shouldn't be that bad I would think... the harder part is grabbing the Google data, but as Amiga Ireland suggests that's also very possible since the Google Drive/Dropbox handler is out there. Personally I've been tinkering around with grabbing things like my gmails for display on an Amiga or C64/128 but my solution is to use a Raspberry Pi to access the web, and a Python script that logs in, gets my data, and sends it over the serial port to a terminal program. I've managed to grab Twitter and RSS news feeds this way. Unfortunately that involves a lot of extra setup when it would be ideal for the Amiga to go do it all itself. :P

[@LeftoverBeefcake]

Now that I think about it, it might also be possible to visit a simple web app using the Amiga and have the app grab the google data, and then change it to WP Library format for download... possibly connect via Telnet for low spec Amigas and through a web browser for Amigas that can run one... hmmmm...

[@AmigaLove]

@@LeftoverBeefcake Oh man you made my heart pitter patter reading your comment. Don't tease me like that! ;) The question would be - from a non-engineer like myself - could we use a Wifi modem and use some sort of service to grab said data?

[@AmigaLove]

@@LeftoverBeefcake I could try and image my WP Library disks if you ever want to play around. I've never actually found it online anywhere, surprisingly. (well, maybe it's not THAT surprising... but ya know what I mean) :P

[@rossb2006]

Great vid.. Still not found a definitive answer but is it only the NTSC 1080 monitors that have the rainbow logo rather than just the standard "Amiga" logo. I have a couple here (PAL) and both have standard, text only badges.

[@AmigaLove]

Odd - every 1080 I own has the checkmark, which matches the A1000's case. I'm not sure about your question, though, since all of mine are NTSC.

[@rossb2006]

@@AmigaLove Yeah, it's strange I wonder if it is an "NTSC" thing a bit like the PAL units having the Commodore logo on the A1000 case as well as the checkmark

[@AmigaLove]

@@rossb2006 Honestly no idea. I'm in the States, so maybe Google is tracking my Geolocation, but if I do an Incognito image search for "Amiga 1080" I only see checkmarked 1080s. That's all I've ever seen or known. The one tiny advantage the checkmark logo grants you is if you ever find the uber-rare Boing Ball version some of the original devs had, you can swap out the badges. I've got the boingball badge for the keyboard, but not the monitor. My search goes on! =)

[@rossb2006]

@@AmigaLove Yeah, it's odd. I'll do some more digging 👍🏻 Now a boing ball version would be a pretty amazing find 😎

[@joel_ricci]

Great video! Definitely going to pick up Qmouse as it seems to be a one stop solution for many of the missing stuff in WB. WShell looks interesting too. Anyone knows how it stacks up to KingCon?

[@karlsjostedt8415]

ms-dos had no scrollbars either. I never knew to miss scrollbars in CLI...

[@huhummmmmmm]

A follow up tutorial would be great on how to set up a 1.3 hard drive system for the more common a500/2000 1.3 rom versions. If I'm not mistaken, you need to patch the rom?

[@RetroDawn]

I'm a software developer who happens to develop modern software that works with Google Calendar, and also Amiga games. I'm not familiar with AmigaOS application development, nor with WP: Library (never knew it existed before!), but I could be up for the task. Too bad Java on Amiga has never fully come to pass, as that would make it very easy for me to reuse my current code. I assume there are libraries for HTTP for AmigaOS. I don't want to reinvent any wheels here. ;)

[@AmigaLove]

That would be fabulous. If you're up for it, reach out to "LeftOverBeefcake" either on Twitter on on AmigaLove.com. He's taken the project part of the way, but I think he got stuck before getting to the promised land. You can see his progress here: www.amigalove.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1778 Thanks for offering to jump in!

[@amigang]

I'm quite surprised I dont know why never really ever consider that AmigaOS1.3 could be customised by that much! The Genlock function I have seen that used for Video/motion background on A2000 desktop, video backgrounds on a 80s computer!!! :)

[@104d_3rr0r_vince]

I remember this mouse pointer. I think I had it from a disk. Can't find it though.

[@AmigaLove]

Many years ago I got an Amiga 2000 that had this pointer as its default. Ever since then I've been drawing the same pointer on all of my Amigas. I love it. =)

[@104d_3rr0r_vince]

@@AmigaLove Is there a detailed picture besides the screen cap, so I can reproduce it?

[@AmigaLove]

​@@104d_3rr0r_vince I'll upload a photo of the mouse pointer config screen. One moment.

[@AmigaLove]

@@104d_3rr0r_vince Here you go, Vince! www.amigalove.com/viewtopic.php?p=17793#p17793

[@104d_3rr0r_vince]

@@AmigaLove Thank you very much. Btw I don't understand the question about the dog, tried to register an hour ago 😀

[@pacbilly]

Oh man, great video!

[@AmigaLove]

Thanks pacbilly!

[@YesiPleb]

Your EndCLI thing is slightly wrong - you could hold down CTRL and press backstroke (next to delete key) and it would close the window. I started out with 1.2 and therefore have a lot of love for it and 1.3 but for anything productive I use the latest now mainly for the ease of HD support. I can easily add an 80GB HD to a modern Amiga OS and with 1.3, it took me *ages* to get one working and even that was limited to something like 20MB. Not saying that *is* the upper limit, I know many had larger HDs but for an OS I'm not going to use a lot, didn't want a large amount of space sitting unused. I lived in the CLI, so much that it actually took me a long time to start using DOpus. I was a late starter but still went back to CLI for some tasks. As for WShell, I wish I'd discovered that back then as it was KingCON that I always installed when I got my A1200. Zoom-Daemon - because I got to know the Amiga very well I took advantage of the parameters you could specify with a window and took advantage of it. You can open a CONsole: window and specify ALT sizes with 2.0 which was used with great effect with ToolsDaemon. Great video, very excited to watch :)

[@AmigaLove]

If you take a look at my latest video (Parceiro II) you can now use OS 1.3 with massive storage. My new Parceiro II has WB 1.3 with an 11GB drive I can use with modern PCs and Macs for transferring files back and forth. But I could also use that drive for basically anything. And WB 1.3, 2 and 3.1 all see it on the same device. It's crazy! I have to say I absolutely loved reading your comment and going through your experience and history.

[@georgeluyckx1437]

What’s the program called in wbdock with letters ‘AE’ ?

[@LoveDoctorNL]

Clee? My friends and I from the Netherlands all called it the C L I (see el eye). Was Clee the usual pronunciation in the US?

[@judgewest2000]

your intro music is making me want to watch stranger things

[@AmigaLove]

LOL not a bad thing then :D

[@NightSprinter]

Ok, how am I actually hearing that MOD in stereo, if it isn't recorded directly via line-in or a capture card? o.O

[@AmigaLove]

At what time-code do you mean?

[@NightSprinter]

@@AmigaLove between 13:11 and 14:22 during the HippoPlayer segment. I can hear the left-panned channels from the left side of my headphones, and vice-versa.

[@AmigaLove]

@@NightSprinter OK yeah. I recorded that back then using an iPhone. I have 2 original Commodore speakers hooked up to that computer, and the left/right separation is insane on an Amiga, as you know. Starting with iOS 14 (2020), we can capture stereo audio using the built-in microphones. Cool that you were able to pick that up!

[@NightSprinter]

@@AmigaLove I'll need to check that out when I get a newer iPhone!

[@karlsjostedt8415]

Music mod trackers should not ever slow down the computer since the audio chip executes the music without any need for CPU to do any work. Now, if you want to play mp3 files or music with more channels that are played using CPU power, then your CPU is affected and a better CPU will help...

[@bamdadkhan]

anyone know where to get 64door? it vanished from amigalove and isn't on aminet either..

[@AmigaLove]

Vanished from AmigaLove.com?

[@bamdadkhan]

@@AmigaLove yeah it did. 404d on me

[@AmigaLove]

@@bamdadkhan Hm... let me take a look. BRB

[@AmigaLove]

@@bamdadkhan Works for me. Are you trying from this page or some place else? www.amigalove.com/viewtopic.php?t=188

[@bamdadkhan]

@@AmigaLove it works now. idk what happened but thanks

[@OptimusMonk01]

LOL what's a Cleeeee? It's called a C L I - See Ell Eye

[@madcommodore]

Never liked the look of WB 2.x/3.x myself. Kickstart 1.4 is the most professional looking version though with better scroll gadgets on windows etc. All I really need now is somebody to point me to/how to write a Workbench 1.x hack with a background picture and copperlist palette swap every line (Dynamic Hi-res/PCHG pictures).I actually use such a picture I made on my Amiga via HAMconvert as my Windows 10 desktop :)

[@005AGIMA]

Great list there. Now I dont feel so stupid for not understanding how to close the CLI lol. All I did in 1.3 back in the way was play with the colours, make the mouse pointer look like a stealth fighter, and type up some homework in the default text editor. Oh and try and make "Say" sound like a girl for....erm....reasons.

[@AmigaLove]

Sounds like how a lot of us did things back in the day! Love it - thanks for sharing the history with me.

[@Turrican]

Blue is best

[@karlsjostedt8415]

Optical, mice have never felt as good as a mechanical mouse.. The best, fastest windows PC mouse feels more laggy and feels disconnected from the computer by comparison to an Amiga with old school mouse...

[@karlsjostedt8415]

Amiga OS could do everything I need and it was less than two megabytes... Cannot wait for a modern phone or desktop OS that is only a few megabytes... Why not? Nothing useful is missing from Amiga OS... Modern OS attempts are bloated like crazy for no apparent reason...

[@AmigaLove]

Totally agree! But I think the days of kilobyte (let alone megabyte) software are long past us in the rearview mirror.

[@mark12358]

An AMAZING insight, although at high level, just to ignite the appetite! 🤍