A Challenge for my Hebrew Roots Friends

If you’re a Torah-keeper Christian, I genuinely want to hear your thoughts on this. I’m going to present you with a set of Old Covenant commandments that I believe have clearly ended. To me this is undeniable evidence that the Law of Moses is no longer in effect. But I want to understand how you see it. How do you work out this issue? First, we’ll take a good look at the Scriptural data on this issue, and then we’ll talk about the only two possible ways that data can be harmonized and make sense. There’s the way mainstream biblical Christianity views it, and then there’s the way many of our “Torah-observant” friends view it.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
01:25 Atonement in the Torah
10:31 New Testament Atonement
19:26 Making Sense of the Data

[@ronesthrone]

Brother Prof Solberg, i believe many get into this movement because they want to honor God and are beguiled, but then pride for many yokes them in because they feel in someway they are “the chosen people” or part of the chosen in the same way physical descendants of Abraham are by these delusions of attempting to follow a distorted view of Torah and rise up to play with idols of the mind and heart. It takes much prayer, love, and an actual move of God to throw off this yoke, and those often released and fall back into the grace of Christ are always by God alone and not by efforts of the person themselves. i started down this road and ended up in a synagogue almost converting to Judaism but the Lord saved me from error but it took much time to unravel much of my thinking and there is some leaven remaining for which your channel is helping me clear out. i know though the Love of God pulled me out. Christ is using you to help set captives free so please continue in your work/ministry. i encourage prayer for those trapped, appealing to God through Christ Jesus that some might be saved from error. ❤ May the Lord bless you in Jesus’ Mighty Name.

[@nicoarnold2200]

Glad you got safely out and are free indeed!

[@salpezzino7803]

Amen

[@blindvision4703]

This should be the pin comment, or at least the top one! Thank you for your insights.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thank you for sharing your story, Jason! I'm so glad the Lord reached out and saved you. He is so good to us! I agree that prayer is our most powerful weapon in this battle. Blessings, RL

[@ronesthrone]

@@blindvision4703 All glory to God our Father and to our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@joe1940]

HR type theology isn't anything new, the 7th Day Adventist have been doing it for years. It sounds good at first, but legalism always becomes a burden. Instead of enjoying a relationship with a living God, you're checking boxes on a list.

[@radostinvasilev599]

And you are not checking boxes? Bulshit.

[@TLF7]

What is your definition of legalism? Because to me that idea of legalism is thrown around but it doesn't really make sense if you put the Bible next to the idea of legalism typically used. Would love to hear your definition as well Rob

[@radostinvasilev599]

@@TLF7 legalism is to be a hypocrite, not obeying the law yourself but insisting others to obey it.

[@courtneyshores3287]

This is exactly how I felt. I became so focused on learning the law I found myself less and less focused on Christ. You can’t avoid self righteousness keeping the law. I don’t see how anyway.

[@radostinvasilev599]

And you are not checking boxes following Christ?

[@TravelTravel-]

Thank you, Brother Solberg, for an excellent and much-needed teaching. It certainly meets an urgent and serious need in many churches today. Thank you for setting up camp and bringing the freedom of clarity in defense of the truth to this particular frontline of the church. Hearing you, I immediately subscribed to your channel.

[@Hobbes0331]

ROMANS 2:13 "FOR NOT THE HEARS OF THE TORAH ARE RIGHTEOUS IN THE SIGHT OF ELOHIM, BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE DECLARED RIGHT."

[@davidhill5897]

Thank you brother for your teaching on this. I attended a Messianic synagogue (Jesus is our Messiah) for 13 years, I love my brothers and sisters in Christ but often the disputes over the Mosaic law and the fulfillment of Christ atonement once and for all that believe came up. I noticed that many where trying to keep the law and deceived them selves, not admitting they where sinners. If you say Jesus did not fulfill the law and then you think you can and stand before God based on your failure since you believe in work’s salvation, then you will be judged for breaking the law with no hope for salvation. If a man keeps the whole law and then breaks on part of the law he is guilty of breaking the whole law. James 2:10 and 1 John 1:8 if we say that we have no sinned, we deceive our selves and the truth is not in us.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Amen, David! Thank you for sharing that. Rob

[@fromtheheartnerd4569]

Thank you SO much for doing these! Our small church went through a full split over this over a decade ago. Rough stuff!! Many new Christian families just walked away from their faith altogether. It took months of nonstop, being Berean, Bible study to stay ahead of their 119 ministries video watching. They took everything said as gold, without first testing it for purity against God's word. 🙏

[@katiec6828]

That's heartbreaking. Sorry to hear that. All the more reason to pray for RL Solberg's ministry. These videos have been such a blessing to my husband and I because we have friends from church that are 'torah keepers' and these videos have helped answer a lot of questions

[@nitah4369]

Thank you! Very good and clear teaching. I am now a subscriber. Looking forward to the next one Shalom ❤

[@pben004]

This is so helpful! Thank you for your teachings. ❤

[@gregperkins484]

Thank you for your research on this topic. So important! Great video!

[@jessalyncahill985]

Thank you for keeping up this study. Thank you very much.

[@LastoftheOrder]

Hey friend, just stumbled across your video randomly. Having never seen or heard of you before, I just want to say I appreciate your clear, concise, and sincere approach. I'll be checking out more of your content. Shalom!

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

I'm glad you found us! Blessings, Rob

[@terridickerson6608]

Rob has some very good teachings.

[@juliebidney1887]

Professor I’m blessed to have found this channel. In my 40+ years of Bible studies and growing in my faith, I’ve never heard of this until in the past year. I was confused because these people talk like true lovers of God but insert strange things I’ve never heard of. I’ve learned that debating does not work. They twist scripture with the arrogance of Pharisees.

[@DavidRodriguez-hg6kq]

I have a friend who is a Christian but is in the Hebrew Roots Movement. He tries to convince me that keeping the Old Testament laws is being obedient to Yeshua, it gives Him the honor he deserves. Thank you professor for all your insights into this topic that is leading many people astray from the truth.

[@LightSeekers777]

How can you FOLLOW a perfectly OBEDIENT Savior by being DISOBEDIENT?

[@DavidRodriguez-hg6kq]

@@LightSeekers777 are you addressing the question to me or to the professor?

[@LightSeekers777]

Leading people astray from the TRUTH...... "Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness and Thy LAW IS TRUTH."

[@DavidRodriguez-hg6kq]

@@LightSeekers777 depends how you interpret "TRUTH". If you believe that following the Old Covenant Law after accepting Christ, you're very mistaken.

[@LightSeekers777]

@@DavidRodriguez-hg6kq How can you FOLLOW a perfectly OBEDIENT Savior by not being obedient to God's Laws? Besides the prophets and the Messiah confirm that the disobedient, lawless, rebellious, those who refuse to listen and obey, and those rejecting His Laws will face God's wrath. According to SCRIPTURE it is the faithful obedient followers who have always received God's mercy and grace! The enemy has caused a Great Deception by leading people to DISOBEY GOD. He has disguised himself as an ANGEL OF LIGHT, but he causes LAWLESSNESS. And his children are called SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE. Same as in the garden.... Did God REALLY SAY we should keep His Law? You SURELY WON'T DIE if you eat the fruits of disobedience! Read Isaiah 66 about the end when Jesus returns. People are hiding behind the wrong tree eating pig!

[@joeynanez9897]

Thank you brother 🙏 you are a blessing God bless

[@philologustate4464]

Bro Solberg, you are doing great work

[@6969smurfy]

Work Of Thy Deciever, just as in the Garden, don't follow HIS instructions "Torah" go ahead and eat of it!

[@judemichaelvelez6789]

For my torahist bro....he wants more than just repent and believe. He considers himself as "sinless or perfect". Following laws of Moses and Christ in perfect harmony. U tell me if thats not "bewitched". Anyway, this is the worst place any believer of Christ be in. He's over and above everyone (he thinks) yet denays hes not that arrogant. Anyway...love your challenge and your teaching. Sound and humble. God bless. Shalom

[@Adrian_Mason]

I want to thank You for a great ministry. You are helping me understand New Covenant. As I left the SDA church over their Sanctuary Doctrine I think that Leviticus 4 was the most helpful as it shows our sins very clearly being forgiven and atoned for at the cross via "alter of burnt sacrifice" and no blood entering the sanctuary for that. Leviticus 4:27-35 This was the thing showed me clear error where they believe sins are transferred in the blood to the Holy to stand on record awaiting Investive Judgement before final stage of atonement.😢

[@donaldmonzon1774]

Thank you!

[@biblischerMinnegesang888]

Rob, I like your explanations. It is easier to catch complicated things by your teachings than alone by reading the bible. Thank you.

[@LightSeekers777]

Your comment is scary, men lie. We don't follow man, we read are Bible and obey God by following Jesus. He obeyed! If you did read the prophets you'd know every single one teaches the wicked sinners who disobey God and ignore His Laws are going to face His wrath. Mercy and Grace are for the repentant who have turned back to God in obedience. And in Psalm 119, David wrote his longest song all about God's Laws! Have you ever meditated on it? Do you feel like David about God's Laws and His Kingdom come? Or maybe you are like most Christians who want to live forever as long as they can have the fleshly sinful nature there with them, because they never intended to crucify their flesh and serve God.

[@biblischerMinnegesang888]

@@LightSeekers777 and what about new laws under the high priest after the order of Melchisedek? Psalm 110, especially Verses 4 and 5? Or this...Jeremia 33, Verse 16 b: "...and this is the name by which she will be called: The LORD is our righteousness. " You have put on the perfect righteousness of the Lord. HE is your righteousness. Because it was usus in blood-covenants that one partner takes the clothes of the other covenant partner and the other c.-partner gives him his clothes. And the same with weapons or protection, love, loyalty, wealth in special covenant s. In marriage covenants they share everything. And normally the woman get a new mame: the name of the husband. And He should love her and be under His mighty loving protection and shield. And she will honor him and respect him. In case of Jesus, HE will love her tenderly. She is longing to be in his presence. But when you believe, you are able to keep the law of Moses as perfectly as Jesus, you will definitively not be good enough. He will eventualy find one thing that you still lack of. And are you able to never fail with your toughts or with your mouth? You sin so much every day, and you not noticing your sins. But trust the Lord, that HE makes you brand new and makes you HIS Masterpiece. And you only trust him, love him and your neighbor and forgive everyone, confess the Lord before men and the spiritual World, preach the gospel, do not judge, do not condemn, speak free and be, what the Lord said, you are. You are made perfect and holy through the sacrifice of Jesus. Hebrew 10, verses 10 and 14. And when the Holy Spirit talks to you and give you an order to do something, you do it. When you are filled with God's love, you will share this love because you are overflowing. Then it is your new NATURE that you piece by piece become more and more righteous even by your behavior. In His presence you begin to reflect His love and Light, not by trying to keep the law of Moses. That is striving out of the flesh. You can get your righteousness as a present under His grace. Or you can try to keep the law. Then you are not under grace anymore, but under the Law. Under bondage in slavery. Grace is higher than the law. When you fall out of grace, you fall into the law. The mercy seat is the covet of the arc of Covenant. The 2 tablets of stone with the law are hidden in the arc of Covenant. Everyone who has tried to open the arc have died. The written law on a scroll are beside the arc and even deeper as the covet, the mercy seat which gives you grace. Jesus is the mercy seat, a foreshadow of the true mercyseat. You do keep his commandments by loving. There is no law against loving kindness. Without the love of God inside of you, you can be able to not commit in adultery, but you are not able to love your wife continually with your heart without selfishness. And it is then very difficult to not sin when the devil let you fall in love with someone else. We have to let change our minds and to break strongholds and catch every false beliefsystem and thoughtpattern. And it is a process. But the outcome is sure. Jesus has overcome. Do not fear. So, why said Jesus: "Do not fear. I have overcome the world? Because his victory is our victory.

[@kdslight]

Thank you, again.

[@kellydorney3514]

Amen!

[@VFXShawn]

Romans 5:11 "And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement."

[@adventures8977]

Very well said and "Dumb and Dumber" 23:31 is a good one 😂

[@DavidRodriguez-hg6kq]

Very informative video brother Rob but one big problem. Many HRs folks are King James Version Only. The moment you use any other translations, they will close you out.

[@cryptocuriouss]

There’s a fringe Torahist movement that believes Jesus did die “once for all” but did so in order to become our forever high priest in Heaven, and therefore is actually today performing those ritual killings of bulls and goats to atone for all of our sins. This allows them to continue with their theology of the requirement of keeping the Torah commands today but without the need for us to continue the blood sacrifices - because Jesus (who is not God, this fringe group believes) - is now performing the duties of the old Levitical high priests in Heaven. They believe Jesus is in His glorified body and sacrificing spirit bulls and spirit goats. That is how they believe Jesus takes away the sin of the world. Would love to see your analysis and rebuttal.

[@687christian]

They always find a way to move the goalpost.

[@kimartist]

Just looking at the title, how did I know the comment section would blow up? 🤔 🤣🤣🤣 Lol, watching now. Will have to read comments later 😊

[@kimartist]

Finished watching & will watch again. 'Tis excellent.

[@kimartist]

According to law, a covenant is binding ONLY so long as both parties are living. "Do you not know, brothers and sisters-for I am speaking to those who know the law-that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him." ~ Romans 7 : 1ff The only way God could divorce Israel is to die. God cannot die, so He had to enter a perishable human body - Jesus. "But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man. So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God." ~ Romans 7 : 3ff

[@cindydaugherty1042]

When the curtain was torn, by God, in the temple at the moment of Christ death, ended the old covenant. No longer were common Jews reliant on the temple's high priest to atone for their sins. God opened up access to him when his death forgave our sins. Now, we each can approach his son for the atonement for our sins. No more sacrifices, that in reality could never fully atone for our original sin caused by Adam & Eve. Only the "new Adam" could cure what was cause long ago. And given the history of the Hebrew people, despite the animal sacrifice, they sinned again & again, which lead to God exiting them or allowing foreign nations to occupy their land. So, despite our human actions, we cannot make ourselves righteous or cleanse us of ourselves, since we are prone to sin.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Amen, Cindy! RLS

[@MsFuzzy2010]

Greetings I have been listening to your work on Hebrew roots or Torah observing groups. I am from Cape Town and this movement is predominantly among Afrikaans speaking people. I have friends who follow the Natsarim Teacheng by Lew White and they were using his teachings to guide them. Can you look into his teachings. My friends lives have really been affected in a crippling way and they are so full of fear and conspiracy theories. I am really concerned. Hope you can help

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hello, Marcia! I am not familiar with the Natsirim Teaching by Lew White, but I will check it out. People who are deep into conspiracy theories and fearful will not always listen to logical arguments. So I would recommend you pray for them and show them love. Here is an older video of ours that might be helpful: *Five tips for responding to Torah-keeping family and friends* kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIOulGlrrpmBgrc You may already know this, but our KZbin videos can be watched with Afrikaans subtitles. Blessings! Rob

[@HannahSkyLane]

It just seems like if one was satisfied with what they believed, they would teach what they believe, and not teach from a debate standpoint ALL the time. What's going to happen to the church if there's a significant collapse in our society/country? And faith is really tested, and we don't have our cushy lives anymore? And all of our worlds are crumbled. I know there's both Christians and Messianics that are considered about that.

[@MsFuzzy2010]

Thanks for considering to check the teachings out. Rough estimates almost One million plus Afrikaans speaking people are being drawn to these teachings in South Africa. Books by Ron Wyatt , Lew white are used to brain wash people to make them so fearful. Thanks so much ,look forward to hear your position on these teachings and books

[@listening4hisvoice]

Lew White is on the far out fringes of HR (and that is saying alot!). His Book, Fossilized Customs, is full of debunked claims, and follows in the lines of Alexander Hislop's book.

[@davidmorris7476]

Thank you Rob. Excellent video brother. I’ve come to the point where it is now grieving hearing people say we will return to sacrifices in the future. At first it was almost a knee jerk reaction but now it’s just grief. Hebrews 10 is beyond clear. Thank you Jesus for Your sacrifice. Once for all.

[@randomCHELdad]

Oh we will return to sacrifices, open sacrifices to Moloch and other Pagan gods.

[@humblejoes3263]

Just follow Jesus. He gave you the “perfected” law. Mathew chapters 5-7. In many ways more difficult than Mosaic law but leaves out a couple thousand years of man made doctrinal meddling. Like sacrificing animals or being defiled by anything that goes in to the mouth. All you need is Jesus. He told you to call no one else Rabbi (Teacher). Mat 23:8-10 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.

[@Hobbes0331]

What of Romans 2:13?

[@davidmorris7476]

@@Hobbes0331what of Hebrews 10:10? There’s no more law for sacrificing. It’s over

[@Hobbes0331]

@@davidmorris7476 I completely agree with there being no need for sacrifice as we are covered by the blood of the Spotless Lamb. Actually, out of the 50 Torah observant people I know, not one thinks we need sacrifice. So this video is odd to me. It's arguing a point that no one I've talked to believes. We all just believe following the moral and clean laws are good and right and those things should be avoided and when we mess up, that is why we need Christ. I think he might be confusing Torah observant Christians for ones who adopt Jewish extra biblical tradition. We are not all the same. Also, Christ said himself that he did not come to abolish the law but fulfill it and that not one jott or tiddle will pass from the law until heaven and earth have passed. To be without God's law is to be LAWLESS and every time you look up the word lawless in the Bible, it's not used positively.

[@MarkRod9648]

Thank you for the insightful video, Professor Solberg. I remember watching your interaction with Sean Griffin from KIC. Could you share your thoughts on his theory regarding Jesus' sacrifice being sufficient to "take away sin/aphaireó" at the resurrection, but suggesting that during our earthly existence, we still require atonement/hilasmos when we sin? Griffin asserts that Jesus, in his role as High Priest, currently offers sacrifices in heaven to "atone/cover" for our daily sins. This theory seems very bizarre. The distinction between covering and taking away sin seem like an importance nuance, that is not always explained and I initially stumbled listening to his theory. If you could make a video on this it would be greatly appreciated as he is gaining a rather large following.

[@BaronVonSzabo-id3ps]

Look up a guy named Kelly Powers. He had Sean on his show and completely destroyed him with scripture on this topic. Powers has got a bunch of videos exposing Sean’s views as unscriptural garbage. You might want to look up Anthony Rodgers’ debates with Sean as well. Rodger’s destroyed his heresies too.

[@MarkRod9648]

​@@BaronVonSzabo-id3ps Thanks! I will have to check out the Kelly debates, I've watched the Anthony Rodger's and Matt Slick Debates but they were centered more on Christology and the Trinity, so I don't think I've seen one where the atonement was the subject matter.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hello, Yar! Sean's theory about Jesus offering sacrifices in heaven to cover our sins does not come from the Bible. The Bible says, "But when this priest (Jesus) had offered for all time *one sacrifice* for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God" (Heb. 10:12). I quoted a bunch of "once for all" passages in this video that all disapprove Sean's theory. The Bible says Jesus "is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2:2). Could you share a link where Sean explains his "sacrifices in heaven" theory? I'd love to see what that theory is based on. Thanks! Rob

[@MarkRod9648]

​@@TheBiblicalRoots Thank you, Professor Solberg, for your response. I appreciate it. Here are some clips of Sean explaining his theory, along with a clip of your interaction with him on the subject. I wish you both could have delved into it more thoroughly, but due to time constraints, it left much to be desired. I greatly appreciate your work though and do cling to Christ Sacrifice being once for all. I would be lying though If I did not say that I struggled disproving Sean's theory. KZbin Clips: 2:24:14 through 2:26:50 kzbin.infoAJD832lXYpA?si=wMSXTSEXW1Erw5nr&t=8654 1:02:54 through 1:04:35 kzbin.infoLD4Q9PdRHeo?si=mKJhV06sALzZfk1c&t=3774 01:42:39 through 01:48:25 kzbin.info20siPLglSkw?si=1HMMQIw0oObnEAQc&t=6159

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

@@MarkRod9648 Thank you!

[@Hobbes0331]

WHO ARE THE LAWLESS THAT CHRIST IS REFERRING TO IN MATT 7:19-23?

[@paulmiller7775]

Brilliant! I want to be careful here, but I submit that many of our Torah enslaved friends have never truly been set from their sins by the Lord (and no, the Lord is not Baal). The reason they cannot understand this is that the natural person does not accept the things of God for the are folly to him, they cannot understand these truths because they are spiritually discerned (1 Corinthians 2:10 - 14). We pray that the Lord will draw them to Himself and quicken their spirit and grant them repentance and grant them belief.

[@musicinspire1745]

All those things at the temple were "things future, things to come, i. e., according to the context, the more perfect state of things which will exist in the αἰών μέλλων, Colossians 2:17;" There is nothing in scripture that authorizes nor makes noble the idea that we are authorized by the Lord to completely reverse the direction toward which those things pointed! We cannot turn them around to "point backward" when the language of Colossians 2:17 CLEARLY points FORWARD, and ONLY forward!

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ" (Col. 2:16-17).

[@musicinspire1745]

@@TheBiblicalRoots Ahh, but our Torah-requirement friends will interpret those verses into oblivion in relation to the the Mosaic Law. That's the beauty of interpretation. It's a battering ram in the hands of the unlearned to force meaning into scripture that isn't there, and to remove from scripture meaning that is there.

[@makenoimage]

@@TheBiblicalRoots Why would non believing Colossians judge their believing countrymen "why are you NOT keeping the "jewish stuff"?" and why would non believing Jews judge believing Colossians their NOT keeping the "Jewish stuff" It was because the believing Colossians WERE keeping "the Jewish stuff" that they were being judged. Just like now "why you doing all that "jewish stuff"?" And so Paul counselled them "let no one judge you X Y Z BUT the body of Christ" which is the believing ekklesia full of believing Jews and believing Gentiles...the dividing wall between them broke down by Him...a NEW CREATURE from the two. Just like when at Sinai Jews were the 1/12 minority in a mixed multitude full of believing Egyptians who followed them into the wilderness...those "strangers within thy gates" as specified in the Sabbath commandment...the ONLY one to include us believing gentiles...the irony.

[@jmarkk1]

RL Solberg...there are two questions that I have for you that I would love for you to teach through at some point. First, how does 2 Corinthians 3 play into the mindset of our HR friends...specifically the veil of Moses reference? Secondly, as someone has already asked, how does the Millenial Reign of Christ impact HR theology? From my perspective, if there is a literal Temple and a literal rule of Christ for a 1000 years...this specifically would give our HR friends a theological framework for their current Torah observances. Thoughts?

[@woodshed_moments]

Well, to understand which route on the Judaism tree is more likely receptive to the historical prophetic revelation of Jesus Christ, Jesus gave us a hint in who he confronted in the synoptic Gospels... Then, we kind of get a refresher course in the book of acts, letting us know that there are two distinct voices in the theocratic system of Judaism expressed through the Sanhedrin... Of course, after Jesus death and Resurrection the Sanhedrin was literally all but eviscerated... particularly how things were dealt with religiously at the local synagogue level but there was really no more Sanhedrin the way we know it before that time. Just like we have conservatives and liberals in our voice today, the Sanhedrin at the time of Christ ministry, was impacted by some radical, heretical thinking... And for all intents and purposes, there was a philosophical coup in the sanhedrin, incomes a secular voice that rejects the supernatural, this is the liberal sect, under Hillel, then you have the traditional pharisaical set that was mostly under Shemai and his student Gammaliel, the Apostle Paul learned under. If you read the synoptic gospels, you will see the Bible drop hints about who was in power, and where the support arguments were, and where the stiff rebukes were levied. Jesus lit the Sadducees up, because, it was their philosophies that created confusion in adherence to the law, he didn't like Jesus upsetting the two things that they were only there for money and power, they even confessed having to get rid of Jesus because he's bringing believers after him and then they would lose their voice with Rome and then their power base would be scattered. It is important to note, that you didn't hear many Pharisees saber rattling jesus, but you did hear 100% of the Sadducees going after Jesus - now, that is not to say there were not Pharisees that were involved, I am not saying that, but what I'm laying out you will find in scripture, of the Pharisees that supported jesus, these were reported in the synoptic gospels - not once did you even hear of the slight conversion of a sadducee. The Sadducees were moreleveraging legalism to advance their social traditions that they created, Jesus busted them, call them on it and put them on blast saying, "you are of your father the devil" and ended that rebuke on some very famous words "and many such things you do" And what were the many such things? Overlapping the law with culture, the Bible doesn't use the term culture, that's a contemporary term the "traditions of man", "heritage" or "traditions of the fathers" This was more important to them than obedience to the law and the acceptance of the prophecies which they rejected, remember in the book of acts, they stoned Steven for confronting them too, who picked up the stones and cast them as Stephen? The liberal sect. We see today the same falling away that there was then, and Jesus reminded Us in the Lord's prayer, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven, Solomon gave us wisdom and the of Ecclesiastes reminding us, "there is nothing new under the Sun" What happened to the church, is going to be repeated and has been repeated, and there's also going to be a restoration and that is going to be repeated.... Satan wants the Bible out of the public square, because again, Paul reminds us "we are not ignorant of Satan's designs" - we can't do anything if we don't remember anything, Satan keeps Us whipped up externally, to get us to forget God's word. Bible is a living word, and the first thing the postmodern era did, which was prophesied by Daniel by the way, was to create enough global chaos, that people back away from the word because they don't know it, there's been such an increase in technology, they have become less reliant on the lord, and more reliant on "science" Is nothing more than the Bible refers to as "lying wonders" You have to remember folks, Satan has nothing, this is laid out in Ezekiel 28, if he gets anything it's because somebody that had something of value gave it up and then he redistributed to his folks, the lazy ones who will leverage that for every nickel they can get including your life if they have to. All to say, it is a blessed thing when a practicer of Judaism picks up the other half of the Bible and embraces it...

[@kimartist]

Sadducees also rejected the possibility of resurrection - theory which was thoroughly blown up at Jesus' resurrection, plus all the formerly dead "holy people" walking around (Matthew 27 : 52-53) - which no doubt fueled their further persecution of the apostles & saints as they were desperate to get rid of a sect that so thoroughly refuted everything they stood for. Sadducee sect eventually died out, but of course that anti-Christ, anti-supernatural, anti-laity (Nicolaition) spirit is still alive & well in the world today. I once visited a church in Ohio with a pastor who had come out of the so-called Jesus People movement - he bragged that "we don't do 'the stuff'" at his church - no sirreebob none of that spooky supernatural stuff here, no one gets healed, no one gets delivered, no one gets saved, none of the prisoners gets set free - no way no how nothing weird or scary here, just plain old dead religion served up weekly & keep the tithes rolling in please so I don't have to work a regular job.

[@judemichaelvelez6789]

I toi have a brother who are deeo into Torahism. They keep denaying it coz they dnt want any label but it is what it is. My family came from RC then to the charismatic movement and now reformed christians. God is so good. Best description for torahist is "BEWITCHED". So we keep our doors open for them (came to a point they want nothing from us, his flesh and blood)...always patiently waiting for His will be done and it will be for His glory in the end.

[@brianmoore8596]

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[@freedominchrist444]

Christian has the law of Christ the moral law and told to walk in love by the Spirit. The NT gives us directions how to walk. No Christians are not lawless

[@markfrench2980]

Hey Rob, great job! However I was hoping that you would have addressed the "millennial" temple mentioned in Ezekiel. It has already been mentioned in the comments. Also, I've had a someone who is in HR tell me that," As the sacrifices in the old testament point forward to Yeshua, the sacrifices in the millennial temple will serve as a reminder to all about the seriousness of sin." Any thoughts?

[@mavrickglo]

In second temple Judaism there was an understanding that Ezekiel’s temple was a eschatological temple. Jesus picks up on these themes in John when he says: destroy this temple and I will rebuild it in three days. John gives us an aside to make sure we don’t miss this that Jesus was talking about his Body. Paul elaborated farther when he talks about the body of Christ, that we are that temple of God. There isn’t another temple coming, the temple of the faithful already exists.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Mark. I mentioned this to someone else, but in the same way that Israel was not required to keep the law until the Sinai covenant began, followers of Jesus are not required to keep some possible future set of commands until the millennial reign of Christ begins. "Torah keepers" teach that Christians are required to keep the Law of Moses _today!_ And that's just not the case. As to whether there will be sacrifices in the millennial temple that serve as a reminder about the seriousness of sin, that is a slippery slope. Especially in light of all the "once for all" language in the New Testament. And this passage in Hebrews: "Then (the Spirit) adds: 'Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.' And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary." (Heb 10:17-18). Blessings, Rob

[@markfrench2980]

@@TheBiblicalRoots Thanks Rob.

[@henryhodgens4312]

@@TheBiblicalRoots Hmmm...according to normative Christian doctrine, then, the Law is a light switch flicked off and on. In the beginning, there was no law, then at Sinai there is law, then, at Calvary, there is no law, and finally, during the Millennial Reign, there is law. Does this really make sense???

[@DedicatedtoYAH]

@@TheBiblicalRootsThoughts? ”because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.”“ ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭26‬:‭5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

[@sallyrickerson9139]

I just saw a post on Twitter today, 02/25/2024 from a Torah Observant HRM person that in order to "Qualify" to be a "Bride" you MUST be "Torah observant". So, in the eyes of the Torah observant person the "Millions" of Christians who love Jesus Christ & are devout children to him, they are not going to see the face of God or Jesus in Heaven. Professor Solberg, I pray you see this because I am pretty upset tight now. The HRM people constantly write posts like this.They are judging and seeming to be playing God and trying to Judaize Christians.They are turning me off to be honest. ~

[@seekinghistruth2843]

Christianity has a long history of talking like that. As a former Catholic Christian, I grew up hearing that said about other christian denominations. So it is no surprise that there are some in HR still perpetuating that man made interpretation. I have also met some non Christian torah observant folks who most definitely do not speak like that. Nor are they converting to Judaism. I imagine there are just as many HR who are just as devoted to our Lord as regular Christian. None of us get to say/judge who spends eternity with God. We just need to be obedient to his word, do our best to emulate Jesus in all manner, so that others see him in our behavior.

[@kimartist]

Pure fear-based manipulation 😢 I'm so sorry you have to see this wicked stuff, but rest assured it has no power. There is no teaching in the Gospels nor the rest of the New Testament that only Torah keepers become the Bride of Christ. "And it shall be that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved." ~ Acts 2 : 21

[@seekinghistruth2843]

@@kimartistis it just as wicked and fear-based manipulation when Christian do it? How will you justify Christians doing that very thing to me?

[@kimartist]

​@@seekinghistruth2843 Learn to recognize wolves in sheep's clothing.

[@seekinghistruth2843]

@@kimartist Christianity if full of wolves in sheep's clothing; another reason I left the organization called Christianity. I will never walk away from the father or the son. I am off to listen to the teacher our father sent me to. I wish you well on your journey.

[@henryhodgens4312]

Rob, I actually enjoyed this presentation...gave you a thumbs up :^) But, how do I respond when, in your community notes, you state that you just scroll over any comment longer than about 250 words? Your presentation here is almost 30 minutes. How many words did you speak? I have, in the past, responded "at length" only to be ignored. I don't think we are THAT far apart in our understanding? Yes, without Yeshua's atonement, salvation is impossible...we agree. But there are reasons for keeping the Commandments of God (Torah) other than just for atonement. As you so eloquently quote Scripture: 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. (Heb 10:4) This was true in the OT as well as the NT. So, if it was ALWAYS impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin, why did they perform these acts of sacrifice? Was it not an act of obedience prefiguring God’s final solution to sin? Is this not exactly like partaking of the Lord’s Supper …an act of obedience that, in and of itself, cannot atone for sin …and yet, is an important church sacrament? What is the status of a believer who refuses to be baptized and refuses to partake of the Lord’s Supper and refuses to join a local body of believers? Are these not infractions of NT commandments? …sin? Is this person saved? I cannot say…I’m not God. This is a matter of the heart between that believer and God. We contend that Torah commandments should be held to the same standard as NT commandments (church sacraments). Similarly, animal sacrifices are an act of obedience that we are responsible to carry out, but, just like the Lord’s Supper, do not take away sin. And, just like the Lord’s Supper, they are now a remembrance of what Messiah Yeshua HAS DONE. Are we guilty if we do not carry these out? YES! Is it God’s fault that they cannot be carried out today? NO! So, we are still guilty…that sin might become exceedingly sinful (Rom 7:13). So, how are we to resolve this outstanding debt? 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to FULFIL (Greek, plero-o). (Mt 5:17) FULFIL: G4137, plero-o; from G4134; to make replete, to cram, level up, furnish, execute…etc., COMPLETE. The sense of plero-o meaning COMPLETE can be found in Colossians: 10 And ye are COMPLETE (plero-o) in him, which is the head of all principality and power: (Col 2:10) So, ALL of the Law is still with us and we are guilty if we don’t carry it out properly (SIN - 1 John 3:4). The problem with proper understanding of this passage lies with the definition of the Greek word plero-o…fulfil. Yes, plero-o CAN mean fulfil and most, if not all Christianity, believes that Yeshua has taken upon Himself our failure to keep ANY of the Law. But it also means COMPLETE. So, in context, the passage is NOT relieving believers of the responsibility to carry out those commandments which they are capable of doing. That is, Messiah Yeshua COMPLIMENTS our effort by taking the penalty for those commandments (e.g., animal sacrifices / ceremonial law) that cannot be carried out today without a priesthood and altar of sacrifice. But this, in turn, means we SHOULD be keeping the seventh day Sabbath, the Feast days, observing clean and unclean, etc. …because we love Him: 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15) …otherwise, Mt 5:19 is meaningless in context: 19 Whosoever therefore SHALL BREAK ONE OF THESE LEAST COMMANDMENTS, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the LEAST in the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN (eternal): but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called GREAT in the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. (Mt 5:19) Then too, if, as you claim, all of the Torah has bee abrogated, how do you explain Ez 43 - 48, presumably prophetic of the Millennial Reign, that reinstates all of the Torah including animal sacrifices? Shalom

[@HomeschoolHack]

Hey Rob! Appreciate the great reminder about the all sufficiency of Jesus' sacrifice. As someone who is keeping more of Torah than I did 7 years ago, I have never met anyone who believes that animal sacrifce is still required, but I imagine you must have! I dont believe Christians are required to keep all of the Torah commands that apply for them, but I do believe that it is wisdom to do so. The Father said his instructions were for our blessing and as I've slowly journeyed in that direction I've discovered that more and more. As psalm 1 says: blessed is the man who .... delights in the Law of God and on His law he meditates day and night. That is still true my friend!

[@jacoblewis1807]

Love your videos. What do you think about the commands to Stone to death those that brake Sabbath? Why don't the hebrew roots followers stone us? Wouldn't that be disobedience to God on their part?

[@God-vd9ny]

Jesus neither stoned the adultress woman. The same Jesus also said that "if you love me, keep my commandments", "I don't come to abolish the law". What's your understanding for such teachings from Jesus? If "something" is abolished from the law, what would that be? He came to free us from the curse of our sins. (which is a part of his law) He did not came to free us from his entire law. If Jesus meant that, why do you urge us to stone you? We can't do that.

[@DBaldwin111]

Shabbat shalom brothers and sisters in Christ

[@veri617]

Define righteousness! What are the true principals of righteousness. And it is not about finding loope holes but rightly dividing the Word.of Truth!!

[@ScottRachelson777]

I agree with your position on the Law of Moses. I have a friend who asked me the following question: Why was there a need for a council that ultimately determined that Gentile believers don't have to follow the law if Jewish believers weren't already required to? How would you respond to this question? Thanks in advance.

[@nicoarnold2200]

The need for the council came about when Jewish converts, who had always kept the law and then got converted, started to trouble gentile believers, saying that they had to do the law also. Up to that point, gentiles did not do the law but the Jewish troublemakers wanted to see the gentiles do it also. Gal 3:3 addresses this by saying Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

That's a really interesting question, Scott. That was a very confusing theological time for the Jewish people. They had been under the law for 1,500 years and it took a long time for the idea to sink in that it was no longer required (Gal. 3:23-25, Col. 2:16-17). Especially since Jesus is the _Jewish_ Messiah! The implication behind the question is that Jewish believers in Jesus were/are still required to keep the law. And if that's the case, then God has two different standards of obedience for his people: one for Jews and one for Gentiles. And I just don't believe the NT teaches a "two law" theology. Jewish believers in Jesus had no reason to stop keeping the Mosaic traditions; they were never prohibited or forbidden. Even Jesus seemed to expect they would go right on keeping things like the Sabbath (Matt. 24:20). This led to confusion among early Jewish believers, especially the Judaizers/Circumcision Party. What is required? What is optional? The Jerusalem Council was called because some Jews were openly teaching that “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses” (Acts 15:5). That was the issue put before the Council, and the early Church needed direction on that question. And I believe it was recorded in Scripture not only to tell us what happened, but to provide direction for all the future generations that would read this text. Shalom! Rob

[@hatcampbell7606]

Interesting that the 4 things mentioned in Acts 15 to abstain from does not include all of the law of Christ that Solberg agrees that Christians are suppose to keep. So where will they learn the other parts of the law from?

[@markfrench2980]

They will learn from the Tutor ( Galatians 3:24-29 Romans 7:7)when they attend synagogue (Acts 15:21). Most of the Law of Christ comes straight out of the Tanak. However Yeshua did give us a new commandment in John 13:34. The 4 instructions given in Acts 15 were to make it easier for the still Torah observant Jews to be able to "do church" with their fellow gentile believers in Yeshua (Ephesians 2:14-16). Thats all.

[@hatcampbell7606]

@@markfrench2980 yes and they will learn the whole law not just the law of Christ. My point being this verse has nothing to do with the Sabbath, dietary laws etc being done away with. They obviously were keeping sabbath as we are told that gentiles and Jews were in the synagogue on Sabbath.

[@brentjacobs3264]

I could not comment on your tithing Video so I will do it here.... Textus receptus doesn't say first day of the week it says kata Mia sabbaton. There is no word day or week in there. We are all priests now.. Priests do not tithe to priests. The people tithed in food and spice under the law. The biblical tithe was 23.3 percent not 10 percent. Abraham only tithed once and it wasn't required by Yhwh for him to Tithe. The Levitical or Aronic Priesthood had no Land inheritance the people had to support them. We don't have to Tithe. Giving is a voluntary thing that is everyone's choice today... Shalom

[@TheRealDVO]

@ Mr. Solberg - Side note but I believe it's necessary: Does Deut. 12: 14-15 mean what I think it means?!

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi Daniel! As I see read it, Leviticus 17:1-7 seems to require that all slaughter of animals for food had to be treated like a sacrifice (Compare 1 Sam. 14:31-35). With centralization of worship, it would be impractical to require all people in the land to come to the central sanctuary to slaughter all animals used for food. So in the passage ask about, Moses explicitly allows non-sacrificial slaughter, applying the rules for handling the slaughter of wild game to any slaughter that occurs away from the central sanctuary (compare Lev 17:13). Shalom, Rob

[@TheRealDVO]

@TheBiblicalRoots God Bless brother Rob. 🙏 I'm thinking this is why Paul said "all foods are clean"!

[@thomassobol6891]

When it comes down the sabbath and other commandments my friends and I see it not as something we have to do but something we get to do.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks, Thomas! If you do not view those things as a requirement, then it sounds like we're on the same page. Blessings, Rob

[@LightSeekers777]

It is a banquet we are invited to, but many won't even come because they are to busy! Kinda reminds me of God's Feasts, people have been invited to celebrate Yeshua, but they don't really want to. The parable itself explains what happens to those who don't come.

[@kimartist]

​@@LightSeekers777 "The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a WEDDING BANQUET for HIS SON." ~ Matthew 22 : 2

[@kimartist]

​@@LightSeekers777"So the servants went out into the streets and GATHERED ALL THE PEOPLE they could find, the BAD as well as the GOOD, and the WEDDING HALL was FILLED with guests." ~ Matthew 22 : 10

[@LightSeekers777]

@@kimartist Remember why Jesus spoke in parables? It was so not everyone could understand...... 10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” 11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive; 15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.’ ....... Since I have come to study God's Law I have discovered.... •One of God's Ordained Feasts is the WEDDING •God first invited His people, but when they refused to come He invited Gentiles • The Hebrew word Torah (Law or instructions) is often poetically referred to as garments, mantles or clothing in scripture. It is why God is clothed in rainbows, Joseph had a rainbow coat, and Elijah had a mantle to pass on. •Based on Jesus quote of Isaiah, there are people who will never be given eyes to see and ears to hear. Therefore they will never come SEE or HEAR the true meaning of the parable.

[@salpezzino7803]

Proverbs 23:6 Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats: 7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee. 8 The morsel which thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.

[@benz8421]

Hi Rob Isn’t there a passage In Acts where the apostles are still going to the temple to offer animal sacrifices? Is that a practice the apostles still followed until the temple’s destruction in 70AD? I think Paul said he tailored his ministry to those under the law and those not under the law (Israelites and gentiles)

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Ben! Acts 21 talks about Paul being associated with an offering at the temple. But it has nothing to do with a sin sacrifice, and Paul didn't even attend the event. Shalom! RL

[@dustinfordham4007]

@@TheBiblicalRoots Hello. With all due respect, you're mistaken on this point. The only vow that the temple oversees involving the shaving of one's head is the nazarite vow. We can be certain this is the case because James indicates in verse 24 that their ability to shave their heads was contingent on the completion of the vow ("*so that* they may shave their heads"). According to Numbers 6:13-14, the completion of the nazarite vow includes sin sacrifices as an offering. In verse 26 of Acts 21 it states that Paul gave the notice of the time of purification and that he gave the offerings presented for each one of them. Paul was very clearly involved in providing sin sacrifices, whether he was present for their offering or not.

[@biblischerMinnegesang888]

Paul did this, but not for his own sins, because Paul's sins were forgiven once and for all. He did this because he wanted to be a jew for the jews and to be for the ones that were under the law as so as he were under the law, even because he was not under the law but under grace about Jesus' sacrifice - all that because he wanted to use every opportunity to preach the gospel to the Jews. What he did there in Jerusalem on that day in the Temple gave him the opportunity to preach the gospel even to kings and high positioned persons like Felix and Berenike and others.

[@Luscio3]

@@TheBiblicalRoots **cough***cough** Number 6:11 states one of the offerings included in the nazarite vow IS a sin sacrifice.

[@Luscio3]

@@biblischerMinnegesang888 So your theory is that Paul kowtowed to the Jews, but secretly didn't believe the temple and sacrifices were needed? Why did he take a nazarite vow in the first place then and why did the other believers take a vow as well? You paint Paul as a kowtowing weasel without any scripture to back it up. Also, scripture states the very reason Paul paid for completion of others nazarite is opposite of what you just said.

[@irinapetrova5600]

I'm not a torah keeping Christian and am perfectly ok with the rituals and civil laws of the mosaic law not being required for us Christians. How about the moral law in the light of Matthew 5:18-20 and the Sermon of the Mountain in general? Thanks for your attention

[@beloved9152]

Great teaching brother. You asked for our opinion if we had a different view and I would say I agree with everything you said up until the last part. God is the same yesterday and today. If THE PEOPLE THAT WERE CALLED BY HIS NAME angered Him back in the day by EATING SWINE and drinking broths made from UNCLEAN ANIMALS (Isaiah 65:3-5, 66:3, 17), that would still be the case today. 👉 SWINE WAS NEVER ALLOCATED TO BE FOOD in the first place - it was always unclean (Leviticus 11:7; Deuteronomy 14:8) 👈and remains that way today, just like mice was back then and still is. We need to be taught to know the difference between the holy and the profane and how to discern between the unclean and the clean (Ezekiel 44:23-24). I don't read anywhere in the NT that it's been reversed. This is what is causing great harm to our health, as well as not keeping ALL the 10 commandments. From what I read in the NT, the law is still applicable, but it's defined in a new way. That's what I see people having a problem with but there are many clues in the Scriptures which tell us it's still valid, just redefined. Jesus tells us THE LAW is the 10 Commandments (Luke 10:26) ..which was first written in stone, which was later written on our hearts ***PLUS *** everything else He commanded and added to the 10 commandments (John 13:34-35; Matthew 5:27-30; Matthew 19:9; 1 John 2:7-11, etc.). 👉Jesus said that anyone that DOES THE LAW AND TEACHES THE LAW will be called GREAT IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN (Matthew 5:19), 👈 so how can Christians interpret Jesus’ sayings that the LAW WAS DONE AWAY WITH? We can't...what it has been, is RE-DEFINED. Luke 10:25-28: “And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE? He said unto him, 👉WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE LAW? 👈how readest thou? And he answering said, THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL THY HEART, AND WITH ALL THY SOUL, AND WITH ALL THY STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL THY MIND; AND THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. And he [Jesus] said unto him, THOU HAST ANSWERED RIGHT: THIS DO, AND THOU SHALT LIVE.” [Cross reference this same law in Deuteronomy 6:4-9, 10:12-13, 11:13; 13:4, 30:5-6; Zechariah 8:16-18; Matthew 22:37-40; Mark 12:29-31; Leviticus 19:13-18] Nothing from the 10 commandments was taken away in the NT, not even the Sabbath. All are still in effect from what I see. We know the REST of the 10 commandments were still valid as well as Jesus RECITES SOME OF THEM IN HIS REPLY to one who asked him HOW TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE (Mark 10:17-22). Mark 10:17-22: “And when he was gone forth into the way, THERE CAME ONE RUNNING, and kneeled to him, and asked him, GOOD MASTER, WHAT SHALL I DO THAT I MAY INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE? And JESUS SAID UNTO HIM, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. 👉THOU KNOWEST THE COMMANDMENTS, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT KILL, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, DEFRAUD NOT, HONOUR THY FATHER AND MOTHER. 👈And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.” Jesus tells us over and over again to KEEP His commandments (not JUST the two commandments, although they are the GREATEST of the 10 commandments). We are to GUARD and OBERVE FAITHFULLY THESE 10 Commandments, including the Sabbath, if we want to have ETERNAL LIFE (Matthew 19:16-17) ...The law was these commandments PLUS everything He commanded, like loving your neighbor, not looking on a woman with lust, etc., which He added to THE 10 Commandments. This is THE New Testament Law! The One that Jesus fulfilled and followed. John 14:21-24: "👉He that hath MY COMMANDMENTS, and KEEPETH [observes, attends to carefully, guards] them, HE IT IS THAT LOVETH ME👈: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jesus answered and said unto him, IF A MAN LOVE ME, HE WILL KEEP MY WORDS: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me." [Cross reference to inherit eternal life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:16-17, 22:37-40; Mark 10:17-22, 12:30-34; Luke 10:26-28; 1 John 4:8; Romans 8:9-11)] If Jesus was OUR EXAMPLE (Peter confirms), we should follow HIS walk which includes observing the feasts Jesus observed in the NT, which would be Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread (Luke 22) , Feast of Tabernacles (John 7), and His disciples observed Pentecost (Acts 2). [Jesus even went up to the temple on Hanukkah (John 10:22-23) even though it wasn't part of the feasts God commanded in the OT]. 1 Peter 2:21-25: "For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, 👉LEAVING US AN EXAMPLE, THAT YE SHOULD FOLLOW HIS STEPS:" 👈 Why would we even want to CHANCE eating things that we KNOW FOR A FACT JESUS DID NOT EAT? This is misleading to say we have freedom to eat and celebrate what we like .. our examples come from holy men of the 1st century, not Laodicean men of the 21st. I hope you receive this in love as it was meant to be. Thank you and bless all your hard work and studying. It's really great to see your anointing reeling back those who are sincere in seeking the truth, but aren't quite understanding it in all its context. If I am in error, please show me in Scripture, as I too want to be Biblically sound.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks! If I'm reading between the lines correctly, are you agreeing that the animals in sacrifices are no longer required? RL

[@beloved9152]

@@TheBiblicalRoots Thank you for taking the time to reply. Yes, I agree there is no more offering [sacrifice] animals for sin (Hebrews 8:13). Yet, Paul the apostle said that he must “by all means keep this feast” (Acts 18:21). We also see him being accompanied by "Gentiles" to the feast of unleavened bread (Acts 20:4-6). Paul tells us to still keep the Passover/Feast of Unleavened Bread, but to do it with sincerity (purity/ingenuousness) and truth (Christ), just not the old ceremonial (animal sacrificial) way. These are Gentiles he is speaking to, so they would have to have a good idea of what ‘leaven’ meant, otherwise, he would have had to explain that analogy. Paul taught the Corinthians to observe Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread (1 Corinthians 5:7-8): 1 Corinthians 5:7-8: “Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: THEREFORE LET US KEEP THE FEAST, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of SINCERITY AND TRUTH.” In Galatians 4:9-10, Paul refers to the weak and beggarly elements. Paul would never refer to God’s sacred feast days as “weak and beggarly.” Paul is shown keeping the Sabbath and observing feast days himself (Acts 16:13; Acts 20:6, Acts 18:21; Acts 20:6; and 1 Corinthians 16:8 [Pentecost/Feast of Weeks]. Again, like the law, it’s a re-defining from the old leaven way into a new unleavened way. Jesus and the apostles show us we still need to observe the feasts ... by their example. And finally, we see even in the millennial kingdom age, the nations (Gentiles included) were told to observe the feast “each year” to worship the King for the Feast of Tabernacles. (Zechariah 14:6). The family of Egypt (Gentiles) were smited if they didn’t come up to the feast (Zechariah 14:18-19). Apparently the Feast of Tabernacles is pretty important to God and so I believe it should be to us too, wouldn’t you think as well? Would love and appreciate your rebuttal if you do not agree with the above. Thank you kindly.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

@@beloved9152 Paul also wrote, "Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ" (Col. 2:16-17). How could he keep some of these things and yet teach they are not a requirement? The reason Paul and the apostles kept these things is because they were traditional faith expressions of Jewish men in the first century and they were never prohibited. So why would they stop keeping them? At the same time, these Mosaic traditions ceased to be requirements for the people of God. In other words, they were permitted but not required for followers of Jesus. Further, Paul kept them as a means of sharing the Gospel. "Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings" (1 Coor. 9:19-23). Shalom! Rob

[@beloved9152]

​@@TheBiblicalRoots Again thank you for taking the time to answer. Just so you know, I'm not a SDA or a TO. I don't have an agenda other than trying to figure out and do what the Bible says, like we all are. I do have a question for you - do you not think it a bit "odd" that it would seem Paul is "negating" what Abraham (who was NOT JEWISH, so the traditional Jewish faith expression doesn't work here), Moses, he himself and even Jesus kept? We both know if there is only one verse supporting this theory then it's probably our understanding that 'could' be off. 👉Paul says to follow HIS EXAMPLE as HE followed CHRIST 👈 and he was talking to GENTILES (1 Corinthians 11:1; Philippians 3:17). The Sabbath was originally established by the Most High God even before the 'law of Moses'. It is not a curse. It was part of the 10 commandments that was held on tablets showing permanence. It was then written in the hearts of believers. To say ALL 10 Commandments were simply SUGGESTIONS by that first century really waters down Jesus' authority doesn't it? Nowhere does it say in the NT that this command is gone and the other 9 are still valid. Jesus even confirms in fact it's still valid: Matthew 5:19: “Whosoever therefore 👉SHALL BREAK ONE OF THESE LEAST COMMANDMENTS 👈, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the LEAST in the kingdom of heaven: but WHOSOEVER SHALL DO AND TEACH THEM, THE SAME SHALL BE CALLED GREAT IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.” Jesus wouldn't have ADDED to the 10 commandments if these were simply to be seen as "guidelines". Why add to the 10 Commandments like loving your neighbor as yourself (John 13:34-35), divorce and remarriage (Matthew 19:9), an expanded definition of adultery (Matthew 5:27-30), not harboring hatred for our brother (1 John 2:7-11), among others, if we aren't to follow them as Jesus' law/doctrine? 👉By your argument, even for these LESSER COMMANDS (not even part of the original 10 Commandments), using your interpretation of Col 2:16-17: (**edit; believers only) 1) A man can look at a woman in lust day and night and should not feel judged 2) A man can hate his brother (and can even myrrd'r him) and should not feel judged 3) A man can divorce his wife just because he's tired of her and should not feel judged Do you see how this doesn't make any sense at all? So applied to the 10 Commandments, in the same token, you are saying: (*edit*: for believers) 4) A man can ignore Sabbath and should not feel judged The context here in Colossians 2 is that Paul is in GREAT CONFLICT about LAODICEA. He had just mentioned this a few verses in that they should KEEP the faith "as they were taught" and to walk how Jesus walked. Colossians 2:6-7: “As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, SO WALK YE IN HIM: rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, AS YE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT, abounding therein with thanksgiving.’ His audience is the lukewarm Laodiceans - Gentile converts who have started following the ways of the Lord (not eating swine now and starting to observe Sabbath, new moons, holy days), whereas they never had before. The Laodiceans were known for judging people and were their own authority. Colossians 2:16-17 (Coverdale 1535): "Let no man therfore TROUBLE YOURE CONSCIENCES aboute meate or drynke, or for a pece of an holy daye, as the holy daye of ye newe Mone, or of the Sabbath dayes," This verse seems to indicate NOT to let these lukewarm Laodiceans who were NOT following these things, make fun of them or allow their judgments to "trouble their conscience" as they were not doing these things before and were now getting flack for it most likely. If things are "shadows" of things to come, they are certainly not voided out. Again, in the Millennial Reign (which you did not address), the Feast of Tabernacles is kept (Zechariah 14:16-19; Isaiah 66:22-24), so do you really think feast days and Sabbaths are just dropped for "a season" and then picked right back up again? I don't see it. The Bible tells us anyone who 👉TRANSGRESSES and FAILS TO ABIDE (CONTINUALLY KEEPING) 👈THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST, DOES NOT HAVE GOD (2 John 1:9-11). Christ's doctrine said we shouldn't break the LEAST of the commandments (Matthew 5:19). Yes, all the ordinances are gone as far as OT taste not touch not, handle not, where Paul said were 'doctrine of men'. But the doctrine of Christ/God is still valid (Colossians 2:20-22; Luke 10:25-28, John 14:21-24; James 1:25). We are to GUARD and OBERVE FAITHFULLY THESE COMMANDMENTS, which includes the SABBATH (Matthew 19:16-17). The New Testament doesn’t show that the Sabbath was done away with any more than it says any of the other nine commandments have been done away with. The apostles still kept Sabbath after Jesus resurrected (Acts 13:14, 42-44, 17:2, 18:4) and even some Greeks that weren’t yet converted to Christ observed it (Acts 18:4). How much more should we? By disregarding Sabbath, we are actually taking away people's blessings, favor and good understanding in the sight of God (Proverbs 3:1-4; Isaiah 56:2; Isaiah 56:6; Isaiah 58:13-14; James 1:25). Peace, BeLoved

[@nunyabiz5880]

[@JoshuaLeibrant-dr3xv]

Old testament moral laws stand. You shall not worship other GODS or kill your neighbor

[@portalend]

Shalom Rob, I'm a Torah-observant brother in Christ. I'll chime in and say I agree with option 2-A. Any other option would be to reject what Jesus did for us on the cross. My stance is that faith in Jesus atones for all my sins...but that's not permission to sin. It's not permission to say I have faith and then walk as I wish. I then take it a step further and look at the Bible for how God defines sin and it is the law. The law is what defines what's sinful. The law is not sinful! Do I fail at observing God's law... Absolutely, but Jesus is my advocate and will not condemn me. (John 8:10-11 When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.” ) Much Love, Aaron

[@johnmann8659]

@portalend Jesus provides atonement for both Israel (Judaism) and the church (1 John 2:2). The Torah's commandments do not apply to the church but to Israel. Israel Psalm 147:19-20 Romans 9:4 Malachi 4:4-5 1 Chronicles 29:29--> Gad the Seer 2:27-29 The Church Romans 2:14 Acts 21:25 Acts 15:5-20

[@portalend]

@@johnmann8659 None of the rules you gave for the church say it's bad to steal or to kill...do those not apply anymore? Romans 2:14 to me means that the law was written on our hearts. The law defines sin. Romans 2:14 states that believers in Jesus instinctively obey the law. It's not an act of righteousness it's the fruits of his people. I think the biggest hang-up Paul and even Jesus have in the New Testament was all the rules that the Jewish people added as acts of righteousness. They added to the law and that shouldn't be done. They also only followed the law and rejected Jesus.

[@johnmann8659]

@@portalend "Written on the Heart" means under the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34), a gentile heart will erase the commandments a Jew keeps Exodus 20:14--> Matthew 5:27-29 A gentile heart will erase even circumcision (Romans 2:25-29). No more acting Jewish on the outside while having a gentile heart on the inside (Matthew 23:27-28, Philippians 3:5-6). Israel must make it's heart Jewish (Deuteronomy 10:16, Jeremiah 4:4).

[@portalend]

@@johnmann8659 Circumcision was a foreshadowing of what Jesus would do for his children. That being cutting away their sinful nature. Gentiles aren't to be circumcised because what it stood for has been accomplished in Jesus. Just like the animal sacrifices.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks, Aaron! I agree 100% that we are not to use our freedom in Christ to sin. "You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love" (Gal. 5:13). I would define sin most simply as rebellion against God and willfully disobeying His will and His ways. For those under the law of Moses, breaking that law was sinful, of course. But sin is much bigger than that! In fact, “sin was in the world _before_ the law was given” (Rom. 5:13, see Gen 4:7; 13:13; 18:20; 39:9). So if we merely define sin as a transgression of the Law of Moses, then Adam and Eve never sinned, because they did not break any of the Mosaic commands. Blessings, Rob

[@gman_7483]

I think it's quite simple. There was a system that the Most High set into place to make one justified. *Obedience (righteousness) and sacrifice The messiah became the high priest and the sacrifice, therefore, fulfilling that portion. However, the sacrifice was only needed as a response to disobedience. The law is the obedience portion; the judgement is the sentencing portion. The judgment is not the law, but the response to disobedience of the law. Example: the law may say the speed limit is 55 mph. If you break that law, you may have to go to court. The the judgement may change over time even if the speed limit never changes. Behold, to obey (the law) is better than sacrifice (the judgment), and to hearken than the fat of rams” (1 Sam. 15:22).

[@brentjacobs3264]

Jesus Violated biblical ritual laws Make Videos please showing Jesus behavior on Moral and ritual laws after all John says he broke the sabbath he violated it. People need to see why he did this so they can understand. Shalom.

[@BreadfromStone]

How does Ezekiel’s temple fit into this whole topic? Ezekiel 40-48 is future to us, is it not?

[@torahsoldier23]

Yes it is, the chapters from 34- 48 in Ezechiel are messianic- no doubt! But a Christian won't tell you that. They like to debate Isaiah 53, Psalms 22. 110. Zachariah 12,10 but they never debate Ezechiel 34-48,never!

[@radostinvasilev599]

Rob, 1A: There are several passages in the Old Testament that clearly indicate animal sacrifice will be re-instituted during the millennial kingdom. Some passages mention it in passing as the topic of the millennial kingdom is discussed, passages like Isaiah 56:6-8; Zechariah 14:16; and Jeremiah 33:15-18. The passage that is the most extensive, giving the greatest detail, is Ezekiel 43:18-46:24. It should be noted that this is part of a greater passage dealing with the millennial kingdom, a passage that begins with Ezekiel 40. In Ezekiel 40, the Lord begins to give details of the temple that will exist during the millennial kingdom, a temple that dwarfs all other temples previously built, even Herod’s temple that was quite large, which existed during the earthly ministry of Christ.

[@adamguy33]

It does not mean these will be sin offerings in the millennium

[@radostinvasilev599]

@@adamguy33 what does it mean according to you? Meal offerings?

[@adamguy33]

@@radostinvasilev599 the book of Hebrews makes it clear that a better once and for all sacrafice has occurred with JESUS , in Him is the fulfillment of the law. Animals will never be used as a sacrifice for sin, for there blood was a shadow and were unable to atone for sins in the first place.

[@radostinvasilev599]

@@adamguy33 if it was so, if you are fully redeemed from adam and eve sin, why are you not in paradise yet, because maybe you are not yet redeemed? So either you don't believe in Jesus or Jesus sacrifice does not mean what you think it means.

[@kimartist]

​@@radostinvasilev599 “Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses." ~ Acts 13 : 38-39

[@paul.d.sandoval]

Thank you for your exploration of the subject and the possible options. As far as I understand it, aiding to the Bible and to what you have presented, the logical conclusion is that Christ’s sacrifice superseded the Temple atonement sacrifices , you have given the verses yourself. In regard to the other commandments, nowhere in the Bible they were crossed out. Furthermore, the commandments are a clear guide on how to be and stay holy, so when we deny them, we are doing ourselves an evil by invalidating the way to stay close to God. The commandments are the way to stay separated from the world for God, and it was God himself who gave them to us.

[@DBaldwin111]

The “letter of the(Gods) law”under the old covenant is impossible to keep. First, there is no temple made with human hands any longer. Second, we are now under a brand new covenant. Under this new covenant God tells us from the old covenant the CHANGES that will be made. Now under the old covenant God says in Deuteronomy 4 that no man is to add to the word or take away from it…but God can; and He does. The law of sacrifice is changed. Leviticus 7:37 NKJV - This is the law of the burnt offering, the grain offering, the sin offering, the trespass offering, the consecrations, and the sacrifice of the peace offering, The entire law has not been abolished but this law, in its type( being animal sacrifices) and its antitype( being Christ) has been fulfilled in the law of God/Christ. Hebrews 7:12 NKJV - For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. It does not say His entire law is abolished but that there would be changes. Christ fulfilled this with His deathAND resurrection. The law is no longer from the order of the Aaronic priesthood but under the order of Melchizedek. And God prophesied this to us. Psalm 110:4 NKJV - The LORD has sworn And will not relent, "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek." Psalm 110:4 NKJV - The LORD has sworn And will not relent, "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek." Hebrews 5:6 NKJV - As He also says in another place: "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek"; There is no longer a priesthood from the tribe of Levi. That has now changed to the tribe of Judah. Never was a priest to be from any tribe other than the tribe of Levi in the old covenant. Genesis 49:10 NKJV - The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes; And to Him shall be the obedience of the people. For as in Jeremiah and Hebrews where he tells of us THE NEW COVENANT, He also tells of the New Spirit He will give us…and the Spirit comes through Faith in the death and resurrection of His Son. Ezekiel 36:25-27 NKJV - "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. These are just a couple changes God told us in the law and prophets that would come under the new covenant and be fulfilled in His son. We now have a new temple…in the body of those that follow Christ No longer is His laws written on tablets of stone…it’s written on our hearts by The Spirit.

[@speedoggy]

So you don't believe we can do all things in Messiah? A lot of people don't understand that Torah just means instructions or teachings & it has laws in it but it is not a Law big difference but most bibles it is translated as incorrect. Yahweh our Father made a covenant & he renewed that same covenant & it cannot be done away with our Father because He cannot tell a lie Malachi 3:6 He does not change. If Christianity is the true faith/belief why didn't our Heavenly Father Yahweh mention them from the start Isaiah 46:10 ? The first mention of the New Covenant is Jeremiah 31:31-33 & repeats it in Hebrews 8:8-10;10:16 the word "new" is Hebrew#2318 means Renew, Repair the only reason why our savior came the first time was for the lost sheep of the house of Israel we convert to that faith/belief Exodos 12:49 is Romans 11:23-25 Grafted into that Body Israel not a separate body from that. The faith/belief from Scripture is this Acts 24:14 & 2 Corinthians 11:22 the bible was written by Hebrew Israelites for Hebrew Israelites we convert to that. The Good News was Giving to Abraham beforehand it is Obedience to the fathers commands & faith/belief in Yahshua Revelation 14:12 if people don't word study from strongs greek to hebrew to ancient hebrew lexicons withouth any religion theology dogma will never understand the complete truth half truth is still a lie.

[@DBaldwin111]

@@speedoggy how did you get that I don’t believe we can do all things in Messiah by what I wrote?? It’s only by Messiah that we can overcome our old man and become a new creation IN Christ.

[@speedoggy]

@@DBaldwin111 Did you know that the Hebrew#4899 Mashiach Translation to Greek#3323 Messias translation to English is Messiah no need to replace with christos unless starting a new religion called Christianity. Read (Romans 7:12;7:14;7:22;7:25) the inner man.

[@kimartist]

​@@speedoggy How about stop copy/pasting the same comments everywhere like a bot, because it's confusing people?

[@jeanelledelooze867]

So youre basically saying that Gods Word changes? When He explicitly says His Word doesn't change? Because according to your logic God changed it halfway?

[@Contemplate55]

Psalm 40:6 says, “. . . . .but you have given me an open ear. . . . .” NOT “a body you have prepared for me.” (CAPITALIZATION emphasis is mine) Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering you do not desire, but you HAVE GIVEN ME AN OPEN EAR.[b] Burnt offering and sin offering you have not required. The speaker in Psalm 40 also says in verse 12: “. . . . my iniquities have overtaken me until I cannot see; they are more than the hairs of my head. . . . .” I can see why Mr Solberg did not quote Psalm 40 in the video.

[@pipinfresh]

I have a 3rd option for you. This is what I held too when I was HR. It's essentially this, that the animal sacrifices were of a different kind of nature to Christ's sacrifice and that they run parallel to one another without negating each other, and that the animal sacrifices of the old testament are memorial looking forward towards the cross and the post cross sacrifices are a memorial looking backwards to the cross. In both cases the animal sacrifices only made atonement for the flesh but not the conscience, that's why they needed to be repeated, they never fully took away sins, it was in order to keep them holy, a set apart nation, and allow them to have access to God and the temple. But Jesus's sacrifice is an atonement that fully takes away sins and gives access to eternal life, but we still need the parallel system of animal sacrifices for the flesh, and as a memorial of Christ's sacrifice. It's very convoluted and dualistic, but at that time it was what made the most sense to me. I see it's grave mistakes now. I'm sure there may be others in the Torah movement that hold similar views.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks, Pip! The idea of a parallel system of sacrifice is an option I hadn't thought of. I agree with you that it is convoluted and unbiblical. It draws a distinction in the sacrifices that is not actually found in the text of the Bible. Hebrews 10:1-18 dispels that notion. Bless you, brother! Rob

[@kimartist]

Yikes. It's kind of a weird way of saying: Yes Jesus saved you, but then again not really, because you still need to do all this sacrifice stuff to save your flesh...? Flesh which "dies with Christ" & is "circumcised" off us at baptism does not seem to enter into their equation? 🤔

[@jeanelledelooze867]

@@TheBiblicalRoots I hold the same idea, the way I see it, is that Jesus died for our sins, purifying our spirit, the focus was on the spiritual aspect because our spirit is the one who will live/die forever. Death is overcome but that means spiritual death. Our flesh still dies, the curses given to Eve for example pain during birth is still in effect, so for our flesh nothing changed, so since the animal sacrifices where for purification of FLESH only (Hebrews 9:13), and Jesus' offer for the purification of our Spirit, why can't they coexisy? They both have different purposes, Hebrews indeed says the blood of animal could never take sin away, God always knew this. It was only to be ritually clean for temple services. It focused on the physical aspect. Jesus focused on the spiritual aspect (which has consequences for eternal life).

[@1bluejacket1]

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

[@elohimechad7157]

Hebrew 10, 16 is ( miss)qouting Jeremiah 31,33. But for the sake of the argument. So, who is them in Hebrews 10, 16 ? To whom is Paul referring them,when he used the term *Them*? Can you answer my question?

[@jeanelledelooze867]

Amen & Amen 🙏🏽

[@thomashcase]

Thanks for the video. Unfortunately, I don't have hope for many answers from the audience you are addressing the question to. I am beginning to wonder if the presuppositions in Torahism get in the way of even addressing the question. By presuppositions, one has to go back to the starting basis for their argument. It is my feeling that eisegesis (beginning with a belief and interpreting scripture based on that belief) gets in the way. For me, the movement traces back to 2nd Great Awakening (Millerites) belief in new revelation. You see it in the phrase a lot of people getting new revelation towards their Hebrew Roots (even in the name). This drove some to SDA, some to Worldwide Church of God, but it also was precursor to the Pentecostal Movement. During the same period, the other "wheel" in the equation was the Jesuit origin of Dispensationalism. Add to this the earlier Pietism of the 1st Great Awakening that sprung for Methodist and later pietist movements and you have all the prebuilt assumptions for this movement to come forth as an offshoot of the Pentecostal origin of the Messianic Movement. Torahism is a branch off of the pentecostal based Messianic Movement that is combined with the disbandment of the Armstrong movement in the 1980's. Batya and Agnus Wooten claim to have been working with Sid Roth on messianic outreach. So, out of Messianic movement you have Batya Wooten's Two House Ephraim movement that is then combined with Armstrong British Isrealism that then forms the basis for Hebrew Roots. The underlying theme gets back to earlier SDA and Millerite thought that the mainstream church has lied and that this guru (Ellen White - or later with Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, etc) has new revelation bringing the church back to its roots. The bottom line, without an abandonment of Two House End Times view your asking about atonement can never be addressed. The Pronomium camp would be the only ones that could start to address a logical discussion because they have abandoned Two House, but cling to the One Law. One has to start with the eisegesis that goes into Hebrew roots reading of scripture. The two house theory drives their view, which basically boils down to Resumption Option (3rd Ezekiel Temple), even though they deny dispensationalism, they depend on it for their end times view.

[@salpezzino7803]

Pronomium is a work of the Devil himself.

[@speedoggy]

A lot of people don't understand that Torah just means instructions or teachings & it has laws in it but it is not a Law big difference but most bibles it is translated as incorrect. Yahweh our Father made a covenant & he renewed that same covenant & it cannot be done away with our Father because He cannot tell a lie Malachi 3:6 He does not change. If Christianity is the true faith/belief why didn't our Heavenly Father Yahweh mention them from the start Isaiah 46:10 ? The first mention of the New Covenant is Jeremiah 31:31-33 & repeats it in Hebrews 8:8-10;10:16 the word "new" is Hebrew#2318 means Renew, Repair the only reason why our savior came the first time was for the lost sheep of the house of Israel we convert to that faith/belief Exodos 12:49 is Romans 11:23-25 Grafted into that Body Israel not a separate body from that. The faith/belief from Scripture is this Acts 24:14 & 2 Corinthians 11:22 the bible was written by Hebrew Israelites for Hebrew Israelites we convert to that. The Good News was Giving to Abraham beforehand it is Obedience to the fathers commands & faith/belief in Yahshua Revelation 14:12 if people don't word study from strongs greek to hebrew to ancient hebrew lexicons withouth any religion theology dogma will never understand the complete truth half truth is still a lie.

[@thomashcase]

@@speedoggy The underlying text in Jeremiah is “new” not renewed. It is not correct the way some in Hebrew Roots want to translate as renewed to support their eisegesis. Two facts on this. First, some will reference Strong’s, but miss the underlying Hebrew has two different meanings based on whether the word is a verb or an adverb. The people translating as renew are using the verb translation, but the usage in Jeremiah 31:31 is as an adverb, not verb. In this usage, the word translates always to new. More so however is prior to covenant in the Hebrew is of the root karat berith (cut a covenant) and not hequim berith (establish a covenant). Cutting is used whenever in the Old Testament is talking about a new covenant. Hequim is used when revising (changing) the terms or repeating an existing covenant. If the intent in Jeremiah was to renew the mosaic covenant then the phrase would not be translated to cut a new covenant. The LSB translates Jeremiah 31:31 as “Behold, days are coming,” declares Yahweh, “when I will cut a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,” due to the underlying Hebrew. For deeper explanations on the differences between the two phrases, see Peter Gentry and Stephen Wellum’s Kingdom through Covenant.

[@kimartist]

​@@thomashcase True & it is very clear when you look it up on Blue Letter Bible - "new" in Jeremiah 31:31 is H2319 NOT H2318 as this fellow says. Clearly he is just regurgitating what he's been taught rather than studying it out for himself 😢

[@freedominchrist444]

Its a root word fallacy. They remove the original Hebrew word in Jer 31 that only means is brand new. It is an adjective describing the covenant. They replace it with the root word which is a verb. It can mean new or renew. But it does not even gramatticaly fit in the passage. Jer 31 also said it is not like the covenant made with the fathers

[@1bluejacket1]

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. -What is "the deeds of the law"? It is not the whole Law of Moses only the sacrificial part. When Yahuah died he took that part back. After the order of Melchizedek.

[@henryhodgens4312]

"Deeds / works of the law" ...shorthand, just "works" sometimes.... are NOT the law. Why would Paul go to all the trouble write this out every time if just "law" would suffice. Paul is contrasting legitimate Torah law with "the commandments of men" (Mt 15), "traditions of the elders / fathers"....Oral Law / Mishnah / Talmud, in today's parlance. Note Rom 3:20 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law (Oral Law) there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law (Torah) is the knowledge of sin. Now, your next example makes perfect sense: 31 Do we then make void the law (Torah) through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish (Greek, histemi - COVENANT) the law (Torah).

[@curlyonegurl867]

A friend just mentioned she was in the "Torah Club." Is that part of the Hebrew Roots Movement?

[@nicoarnold2200]

I believe it is.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

I've not heard of that, but it sure sounds like it's part of HRM. RLS

[@freedominchrist444]

Yes torah club is part of the Hebrew roots movement.

[@listening4hisvoice]

No, it is not. Torah Club is a resource from First Fruits of Zion. They began more as 'One Law for All' but were more Jewish in flavor, and not far off the rails like HR. Then they changed their position to one they called 'Divine invitation.' That stated that the Law wasn't mandated but all were invited to keep it, and it was good to do so, but it wasn't 'required.' I began by utilizing Torah Club. Their back and forth changing of their stance really caused me some pain. I decided they were mistaken and the Law was for all, so fell in with the HR group, getting to know some of the main faces in the movement personally. After years there I read the bible for myself, from cover to cover (something I had never done) looking to see if the Law was for today or for not, trying to keep an open mind either way. I came away from that time distancing myself from HR and went back to the traditional Christian church. I had many fond memories of my time in HR, mainly from the many nice genuine folks I met (I found myself in the more 'normal' (aka 'less crazy side') and I did learn much about the bible. But I also regret much, mainly the pain I caused myself and the issues I caused with family.

[@freedominchrist444]

@@listening4hisvoice First fruits of zion is hebrew roots. They teach the torah is binding on all of Gods people. They also teach kabbalah. There class is what led my former pastor and i into the movement. Also many of my HR friends and many HR people heed to and follow HR take their classes and information.

[@asking79x]

I’m curious as to your thoughts on Messianic Judaism and Gentiles being involved in that. I see a lot of stuff about Hebrew Roots and the like. We all know they’re to be avoided but what do you think about Messianic Judaism and Gentiles involvement.

[@HannahSkyLane]

Why I think Torah observations should still be kept by believers in Jesus. I have a different train of thought but hopefully we can get on the same track. Not really going to get into what you said in this video, but if you have an answer or videos that address what I say that'd be great and much appreciated. This is just one example and at first glance, this doesn't even seem like a big deal at all but it actually is a huge deal. And this is just one example there's 1000s of other examples, maybe there's a better example out there. Drinking consuming alcohol. The church at large doesn't have a widely agreed upon understanding, practice, lifestyle, culture about something as common and everyday as drinking alcohol. That something so common (drinking an alcoholic beverage) isn't settled and agreed upon at large. Well no wonder crazy confusing ideas get big in the church. (Progressive Christianity) The church at large is confused when someone has a glass of wine or a beer at a restaurant with their friends and family. There's no explicit understanding, practice, lifestyle, culture of how Christ followers are supposed to live. Christians don't have a culture, not being on the same page, when it comes to basic, common, everyday things, means we don't have a culture and are confused, mixed up and divided. And I would even say to some extent the church at large worships witnessing to the outsider and not God. - a few more things I was taught in church that, drinking was a sin, dancing is a sin, saying oh my gosh is a sin saying awesome is a sin ( unless talking about God only God is awesome), not using every moment of your life witnessing to someone is a sin, telling a slightly colorful joke is a sin, listening to any secular music is a sin. I can probably think of more things, but I hope I made my point. This messed me pshcologically as a child, teen and young adult. As I was also apart of the real world not only apart of this super strict Christian world. I had no idea what the rules were anywhere or how to act anywhere I was. This took a serious toll on my mental health my whole life. The church is full of man made laws as I just mentioned. Christianity needs to give a law!!! It doesn't give one, what is a sin? Is drinking a glass of wine a sin? Is dancing a sin? Is reading Harry Potter a sin? Is dressing in tight clothes and dancing and swaying to worship music on Sunday a sin? Is wearing makeup a sin? Is LGBT a sin? (Progress churches are everywhere!) Is pre marital sex a sin? ( So many men and women in the church are having pre marital sex and it's not being called out) and men in the church aren't taught how to be leaders. Is having an exclusive boyfriend or girlfriend when you're 13 years old a sin? (Or younger even) Is saying a cuss word like shit once in a blue moon a sin? Is listening to Tim McGraw or Rassal Flats a sin? The list could go on and on and on! The church can't get a grip on anything like this!!!! Also how come Christianity in American hasn't eradicated the foster care system by every professing Christian adapting one child? Studying Torah is what gave me peace, clarity, and understanding. And you think you can tell me and other Messianic we're wrong for thinking eating pork is a sin??? Check yourself and the group you come from? At least Messianics have a law and something to look to, to find an answer from God. ( Not man)

[@freedominchrist444]

Wow you described many in the torah movements bad fruit in many of their circles and progressive liberal Christianity. But not biblical Christianity. As for foster care why are food pantries homeless shelters many foster and adoptive parents, volunteers at pregnancy centers, ministry at jails and old peoples home always run by Christians and never torah keepers?Lets throw the question back in your face how many foster kids have u taken into your home? By the way u cant just adopt foster kids. They have had to have parental rights which takes a long time to be revoked by the state to adopt them. Ask me how I know cause i did emergency foster care for a short time and have Christians friends(not torah hr friends whom i know plenty of them) foster and adopt them.

[@kimartist]

@LaineyMarie634 It is understandable that you would like clarity on the "ground rules" of life & it is true that the church has been very sloppy in this regard. "Love one another" can be very open & ambiguous if you do not have a basic understanding of what happened at the cross. Romans 7 can be very helpful in clearing up the confusion, IF you have open eyes to see & open ears to hear? The Mosaic covenant was a marriage contract between God & Israel that ended when Jesus (God) died. Israel was widowed at precisely that point. This is why following the details of that covenant does nothing for you: 1) You are not now & never were a party to that contract; 2) One of the contract's parties (God) died, which released Israel from from their marriage contract with God. It is impossible (not to mention creepy & sinful) to enter into a marriage contract with a dead man. However, being that the dead man (Jesus) was also God, He was able to return to life in a new glorified (indestructible) body. If you want to enter into a marriage contract with God, the New Covenant is the only one available. The new "rules" (conditions) of that contract are: 1) Love God (your Husband); 2) Love others (the Bride). Jesus (your Husband) also taught to love enemies in the hopes that they might also become part of the Bride.

[@HannahSkyLane]

@@kimartist how do you love God? by obeying Him Ok how does one obey God?

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Lainey. If we want "ground rules" for living out the Christian faith, a great place to start is Jesus's Sermon on the Mount in Matthew chapters 5-7. If we could all be "Sermon on the Mount" Christians, the world would be an amazing place! Under the New Covenant there is a greater amount of freedom in Christ because the goal is for us to walk by the Spirit, rather than consult a checklist of rules. "But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code" (Rom. 7:6). God wants us to walk daily in dependence on Him and lean on Him. Blessings, Rob

[@kimartist]

​@@HannahSkyLane How do you love your husband?

[@davelyn786]

Hi. I’m gonna to attempt to answer these questions you pose. But first, when you said our pets heads are falling off I laughed out loud. That’s was good. And also I really like your tie. Ok so more importantly where do I fall number 1 or number 2? I fall in number one and I believe that it’s all on hold right now and will resume again. Now you want evidence. First I’d like to look at the temple and why we don’t have the temple. There really is only one scripture that tells us why the temple will be taken away. It’s found in 1 kings 8 and 9 for context. Also repeated in chronicles. Those are our two witnesses. Ok I will start with Solomon’s prayer for the temple it starts in 8:22 and ends in 8:53. I don’t want to put it all here but his prayer is for how the temple will be used asking God to consider his people when they pray towards that place. That when they pray towards that place God would hear them from his dwelling place and answer the prayer and Solomon gives several types of prayer that one could pray. I want to highlight on of those options. 1 kings 8:41 “Likewise, when a foreigner (a gentile) who is not of your people Israel comes from afar country for your names sake (for they shall hear of your great name and your mighty hand and of your outstretched arm), when he comes and prays towards this house, hear in heaven your dwelling place and do according to all for which the foreigner call to you, in order that all the peoples of the earth may know your name and fear you, as you do your people Israel and that they may know that this house that I have built is called my your name.” Ok. So this agrees with the prophet Isaiah and Jesus repeats the prophet saying that this house will become a house of prayer for all nations. But let’s look at that verse then we can come back to kings. Isa 56. First I want you to see verse 3 “Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say, “ the Lord will surely separate me from his people.” I think that you should stop calling your self a gentile and start considering that Ephesians has told us that we are no longer alienated from the common wealth of Israel. Ok. Now back to the main point. Isa 56:6-9 “and therefore the foreigners who join themselves to the lord to minister to him, to love the name of the lord and to be his servants , everyone who keeps my sabbaths and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant these I will bring to my holy mountain and make them joyful in my house of prayer their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples. The lord god who gathers the outcast of Israel, declares, “ I will gather yet others to him besides those already gathered.” Ok two things a foreigner can profane the sabbath. (Just had to throw that in there.) but look it says my house shall be a house of prayer for all people burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted at the altar. This has not happened. Or do you think this has happened? If this has not happened then it must happen or Isaiah is a false prophet because what he declared did not come to pass nor will it. I don’t think isaiah Is a false prophet. I think this will come to pass but there must be a temple. Back to kings. 1 kings 9 Gods answer to Solomon starting at 6 “But if you turn aside from following me, you or your children and do not keep my commandments and my statutes that I have set before you or your children and do not keep my commandments and mu statutes that I have set before you but go and serve other gods and worship them, the I will cut off Israel from the land that I have given them and the house that I have consecrated for my name I will cast out do my sight, Israel will become a byword and a proverb among all peoples. And this house will become a heap of ruins. Everyone pass by will be astonished and will hiss and they will say, “why has the Lord done this to this land and to this house?” Then they will say, “ because they abandoned the lord their go who brought their fathers out not the land of Egypt and laid hold on other gods and worshipped them and served them. Therefore the lord has brought this disaster upon them.” Ok. So you see the Gid giving the only reason that the temple will be destroyed and it is not the the messiah would come. They abandoned the Lord. Twice this happened. So yes there was a period of time the exile where we see that the people could not offer sacrifices to the lord and we see Daniel as an example. No one assumed that it was because we don’t need it anymore. He understood that it was because of disobedience. I think this is getting king but hat needed to be addressed. No where does it say that the temple is going to be done away with because the messiah would one day die. Let’s look at Ezekiel 47. I believe this is a future temple but chapter 47!describes the temple and the living water that flows from it. Then it tells us of the division of the land. V21 “so you shall divide this land among you according to the tribes of Israel. You shall a lot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the sojourners (gentiles) who reside among you and have children among you. They shall be to you as native born children of Israel. With you they shall be allotted an inhertance among the tribes of Israel. In whatever tribe the sojourner resides there you shall assign him an inheritance declares the lord.” These chapters at the end of Ezekiel shows the future temple. Sacrifices will be made there and I believe Jesus is the high priest there. Ezekiel 44:9 “ no foreigner, uncircumcised in heat and flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the people of Israel shall enter my sanctuary” the foreigner must be circumcised in heart and flesh. Both are required. Ok so since this is the case what do we do with hebrews and the verses you mentioned. You’re right the sacrifices could not take away sins. Never could. Was that a problem before Christ? No it was still required though. But why does he say he takes no pleasure in their sacrifices? So here I think it is speaking of sin sacrifices specifically. The New Testament says, “ a body you have prepared for me” hebrews 10:5 but the verse he is referring to says “but you have me given me an open ear” psalm 40:6. This is a reference to boring a hole in the ear of the space that chooses to stay in his masters house rather than be set free because he loves his master. He wants obedience. Not sin sacrifices. Whenever he says he doesn’t want their sacrifices it is because they are trying to appease God while they live in sin. Hebrews 9:14 explains that those ordained offerings are for the purification of the flesh. We are still in the flesh. Those sacrifices cannot cleanse out conscience but Christ can. The sacrifices can’t make us perfect and they were never expected too but Christ can. Sacrifices remind us of sin every year. Because we aren’t perfect yet. But we will one day be perfect. That’s what I think Hebrew is referring to (just trying to wrap this up) he read is speaking to us of the current state of things (cleansing of the flesh) and then referred to the future state of things (perfection). We aren’t perfect we still sin. That is why we see James telling Paul to do the nazirite vow in acts. Because (hebrews 8:3-4) says “For every high priest is appointed to offer gifts according to the law. Now if Christ were on earth he would NOT BE PRIEST AT ALL, since there are priest who offer gifts according to the law.” There will come a time of reformation. Hebrews 9:8 By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way to the holy places is NOT YET OPENED as long as the first section is still standing(WHICH IS SYMBOLIC FOR THE PRESENT AGE). Even though there is not temple the time of reformation (perfection) has not yet come. “According to this arrangement sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper but dealt ONLY WITH food and drink and various washing, regulations for the BODY(flesh in the Greek) imposed until the time of reformation”. Heb9:10. It’s for the flesh not the conscience. We haven’t been perfected and the reason we don’t offer these sacrifices is because there is no temple. Sacrifices are. It required for forgiveness repentance is. Ezekiel 18:21 “but if a wicked person turns away for all his sins that hennas committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 NONE OF THE TRANSGRESSIONS THAT HEBHAS COMMITTED SHALL BE REMEMBERED AGAINST HIM FOR THE RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT HE HAS DONE HE SHALL LIVE.” This is by faith of course but notice there is no mention of sin sacrifice. It’s about repentance because what he truly wants is for us to do his will. That’s an Old Testament verse. That is repentance. And in the same way as it tells us in Hebrews that our sins will be forgotten it says it here. We are being perfected. Not perfect (yet). One day we will be but until then “there are priest who offer gifts according to the law” the problem is that the temple is not there and the reason for that is disobedience not the messiah coming. That is why we saw James telling Paul to do the nazirite vow to show people that he himself lives in obedience to the law. (-Acts 21:24). Anyway. This was long and I probably left things out or something but you asked for evidence. I hope at least this was enough to show that the bible does speak to it. You just have to dig. Thanks I hope to hear from you. I don’t think anyone will read this. Lol

[@markfrench2980]

I always take long responses as someone just throwing up a smoke screen. If you have real answers to what Rob asked you should be able keep it to about half of what you have posted. I would suspect that most who are here are interested enough and biblically literate enough to look up scripture references without your having to type out entire verses.

[@terridickerson5294]

@@markfrench2980 thank you! It drives me nuts when people type out the WHOLE verse. Just give me the reference and I'll go look it up. When a comment is that long, I rarely read it.

[@craigsmall4255]

Wow, that was a difficult read ! A couple of thoughts - 1) In the O.T. God made a covenant with His people, the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob (Israel) and who is the seed God promised to come forth from His chosen people ? 2) O.T. Serves a purpose a typology of what was a mystery to be revealed at the proper time (Jesus- The Messiah) 3) The mixing of the O.T. With the N.T. Becomes problematic; think of how Jesus was received not by His own ! Why did Jesus explain you cannot put an unshrunken cloth on an old garment and cannot put new wine into an old wineskin ? 4) Lastly the principle of the law of Moses was replaced by the principle of the law of faith - think of the transfiguration of Christ appearing with Moses and Elijah ( Moses representing the law and Elijah representing the prophets ); who remained when God spoke audibly to Peter, James and John ? Also Jesus said it was finished on the cross (what was finished) need we say more, it was for FREEDOM Christ died for All of Our Sins to be remembered no More ! We are called to love the brethren and remember 2Tim 2:16-17. ❤✝️🙏

[@davelyn786]

@@terridickerson5294 sorry. How can I know for sure that you’ll go and read it? Writing it out was hard to do but it should make it easier for you to read and not have to go to another source.

[@davelyn786]

@@markfrench2980 it’s not a smoke screen. It’s scripture. I can put the references in but then you’d have to go somewhere else to read it. You don’t have to read it. That’s your choice. He specifically ask for answers and said he didn’t just want the reason but scripture. So that what I did.

[@JoshuaLeibrant-dr3xv]

As to the Sabbath we are to keep it as Jesus, working the works of GOD even as we rest from our own works. If you would read the prenicean Christian witnesses you will find you are in fact a lawless man. The 10 commandments are binding on the church as the Apostalic Constitutions affirm and you being a disciple in the Apostalic Succession of Rome follow the error of Simon the sorcerer who hated the Law giving GOD.

[@RestorationofallThings]

Mr. Solberg I want to apologize for my abrupt response to your video, which I have removed. I was quick to respond and it was a knee jerk reation to your video. While I do believe your challenge to those of us who believe the law should play a role in the life of the believer in Christ, my answers were not coming from a place of love. I really would like dialog on this topic because I see it is causing division within the body of believers and I can clearly see by some of the comments that I was recieving that my post did not help matters any. There is clear confusion on HOW the law is applied in the life of the believer in Christ. There is clear confusion on which laws still apply because I do believe that Heb. 7 tells us that when the priesthood was changed, out of necessity, there was also a change in the law. This chapter goes into the laws that are clearly changed, and the change is in the Levitical laws and temple services, which is where these laws would have applied. With that being said, it does not mean that we throw the whole law out. It is the law that determines what sin is. Paul tells us that he would not have known covetousness unless the law said "do not covet." According to 1 John 3:4 sin is trangression against the law. So for many to say "the law has been done away with" cannot be true. You brought up Rom. 3 in your video but only a small part of the verse. There are those of us that completely understand that it is the blood of Christ that redeems us. I would be in 100% agreement with you on that. But the following verses go on to say that He demonstrated His righteousness so that he could justify those that place their faith in Christ. We have some words that need to be defined in this verse. What is righteousness, according to scripture? Using Scripture to define scripture we find out in Ps. 119: 142 that God's righteousness is an everlasting righteousness and that His law is truth. If His law is truth, then why are we teaching that it has been done away with now or that Christ gave us a new definition of what truth is? Also, we find in Ps. 119:172 that all His commandments are righteousness. God's law is His righteousness, not ours, so if it is Christ leading me into obedience to His Father's righteous law, how can it be that by me following the law it is a "work" of my own? It is clear from scripture that Jesus followed His Father's and He tells us this in John 15:10. Rom chapter 3 goes on to say "Do we make void the law through faith? Certainly Not! On the contrary, we establish the law." The Greek word for the word establish is "Histemi" and it means to stand on, make firm, to fix. We can see that faith in Christ does not set God's commandments aside. We are not to think that Christ came to nullify His Father's righteous commandments. Faith in Christ should lead you to obedience. Before you come to Christ you are in disobedience. You are living life for yourself and do not concern yourself with God or the things of God. But when you come to the foot of the cross, you see your need for a savior. Why? Because you see a man who was without sin. This means that Christ walked out the law of His Father perfectly! We have already seen in John 15:10 that Christ clearly obeyed His Father's commandments and abides in His love. Christ then performs a change in you. At baptism you die to the old self and are raised in the newness of life. You have been justified in Christ. When you come out of that watery grave, you are clean! You have been given a new slate. So now the Holy Spirit goes to work on you. John 16:13 tells us that the Spirit will lead you into all truth. What is the biblical definition of truth? We find in Ps. 119: 142 that His law is truth and in verse. 151 we find His commandments are truth. That is two different things. The law is Torah and in Hebrew that word means instructions. His commandments are the 10 commandments. We find this in Prov. 6:23 "For the commandment is a lamp and the law a light." The 10 commandments are a lamp, but if the lamp is not lit, it is of little use. The lamp needs to be lit for it to serve us. Once the lamp(commandments) are lit(law) now we see clearly how to walk obediently. God has always wanted obedience from His children but out of love, not for salvation. It is a work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer, so that no one can boast. I cannot take any credit for the change that Christ is doing in me. He gets all the glory and all the honor! God is fixing a problem and that problem is our fallen nature, it is not His righteous laws. To live eternally with God requires absolute perfection because He is holy and without sin. He cannot be in the presence of sin or He would consume you. With the understanding that sin is transgression of the law, we see our need for a savior! The law is not the problem. The problem is our inability to walk it out in this fallen state. Rom. 8:7 tells us "Because the carnal mind(fallen state) is enmity against God (why?) for it is not subject to the law of God, nor can it be." This is the problem God is fixing! Christ gives us the power to obey! He puts His Spirit in us so that we can overcome sin. James 1:25 calls it a perfect law of liberty. Liberty from what? Our sin! Ps. 119: 44, 45 says this: "So shall I keep your law continually, forever and ever. And I will walk at liberty, for I seek your precepts." When we are walking in obedience, we are at liberty from our sins! Teaching that His law was done away with or somehow changed when Jesus came is equivalent to saying there was something wrong with His law so He had to correct His mistake by sending Jesus. Ps. 19:7 tells us that the law is perfect, converting the soul. Something perfect does not need correction or to be changed. The law convicts us of our sin and our need for a savior, it cannot convert any soul if it has been disregarded. Your challenge misses the mark because it assumes that anyone who states that the law should still apply to our lives as believers in Christ believes that we have to keep the entirety of the law that Moses gave. You are bringing up atonement sacrifices as to somehow say that if we are going to say the law still applies, then we have to consider atonement sacrifices. The book of Hebrews clears this up for us because it states that the law is changed out of necessity with the change of the priesthood. It is the Levitical system that has now been changed and we are under a new priesthood in the order of Melchizedek. I would agree with you that Christ's shed blood provides that atonement, so these atonement sacrifices no longer apply to us. His sacrifice was once for all! So even if they ever do build a temple and reinstitute the Levitical sacrificial system, I would not want to play in any part of that! It is because I believe that Christ's shed blood does provide atonement for me that I now walk in obedience. Why? Because I no longer take sin(disobedience to His commandments) lightly! My walk of obedience is a direct result of the faith that I have placed in Christ. It is the very evidence of a changed life and I cannot take any credit for that change. He gets all the glory and all the honor. There is so much more I could say on this topic but I cannot do it in a comment on a video. I truly would like to dialog with you. You post video's often against your "Torah observant" friends. I am thankful that you consider us a friend because we often recieve much hatred and negative comments when we respond to one of your video's. I have read your book and I disagree with many points, but I also agree with you on some things. I hope you take the time to read this and if there is a way to get in touch with you, I really would like to have a genuine discussion about some things. Shalom!

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Apology accepted, my friend! The scope of this video was one specific set of commandments. It's only goal was to draw a point of distinction as to whether the entire Law of Moses still applies (as many Torah-keeping Christians claim) or if we're willing to acknowledge that some commands have come to an end. I am pleased to see you acknowledge the latter. And from that understanding there is certainly a further conversation to be had regarding how the law applies to believers today, which Old Covenant commandments are still in effect, how do we now interpret Matt. 5:17-20, etc.? Blessings, Rob

[@ScottRachelson777]

you write: "That ALL (emphasis mine) His commandments are righteousness. God's law is His righteousness, not ours, so if it is Christ leading me into obedience to His Father's righteous law, how can it be that me following the law it is a "work" of my own? Which seems to contradict what you say here: "Your challenge misses the mark because it assumes that anyone who states that the law should still apply to our lives as believers in Christ believes that we have to keep the Entirety (emphasis mine) of the law that Moses gave.." Saying that Christ's atoning sacrifice means that not ALL of the Law of Moses is required to be strictly followed seems at odds with your claim that ALL of God's LAW is Righteous. If that's the case, why would "ANY" portion of His Righteous, perfect Law no longer be required to keep? If stumbling at one part of the law means we violate the whole Law of Moses, then how can we keep only parts of it without violating the rest of it? My answer is that the Law's righteousness is not by works but by its reflection of the moral and righteous requirements of a Holy, and perfectly just God. That righteous requirement of God's perfect and Holy standard can only be perfectly fulfilled by and through Him. The righteousness of the lawmaker's Laws does not of necessity require that the lawmaker cannot establish conditions that allow for circumstances of the law's subjects to require a change in the LAW. Unless you can establish or make the case that a change in the Law would mean by implication that God's Holy standard also changes in an absolute sense, in itself apart from only changing relative to the changing conditions and circumstances of His creation, then God's moral standards don't change when the Laws He established also change according to His perfect and Whole Counsel. The expression “whole counsel of God” refers to God's counsels of eternity, in which He planned all things that will come to be. God knows the end from the beginning, and He knows what He intends to accomplish, which He has revealed in the Scriptures. If God intended to accomplish the salvation of fallen man through His death, and changing the Law was part of that intent, then God is made no less Holy and righteous for making such changes. The changes were not parenthetical or unplanned, they were fully and perfectly anticipated and therefore fully established before the creation was ever aware of the complete plan of God's salvation through Faith. Importantly, we fulfill the Law of Moses through Christ's death and atonement. We are deemed righteous THROUGH Christ and not be OUR obedience to the Law of Moses. Because our righteousness is attributed to us through and by Christ and since Christ fulfilled the Law of Moses, through our obedience to Christ, we ALSO fulfill what He has established through His atoning sacrifice. The law is not made VOID through Christ's death but is established by it. If the Law was void through Chris's death it would be impossible for that which was made void and null by Christ's death to be established or fulfilled by it at the same time. You can't establish that which is null and void. On the other hand, those who have not submitted to Christ in obedience are already, from the outset, condemned by the Law of Moses, of SIN and Death, of the enmity that exists in the sinful flesh between them and Christ. Live by the Law; die by the Law. Live by obedience to Christ; live eternally uncondemned by the Law of Christ.

[@RestorationofallThings]

@@TheBiblicalRoots I am grateful for the response because I truly believe dialog needs to happen. I have been watching your video's for some time now and have read your book to try to understand your understanding of "torah observance." I would agree with you that there are many that do not understand that there are changes in the law and I have pointed that out with Heb. 7:12. This verse clearly states that there is change that has taken place in the law, but it was because there was a change in the priesthood and that changes things out of necessity. It is evident that Jesus was keeping His Father's commandments and He even states this in John 15:10. We often hear that if you are going to keep the law then you have to keep it in its entirety. That statement is false because it is impossible for any one person to keep every single law given in the Torah. Some laws do not apply to men and are just for women, some are for priests, and some for farmer's so common sense must be applied. You had a guest on the other day, Chad Bird, and it was a great discussion between the two of you on how you see Jesus all over the Torah, and He is! I think that is the beauty we, who believe the Torah still should play a part, see it. We see the beauty and the depth of it and see our Messiah all over it! It seems the word "Torah" gets a bad rap, you mention that word and some see it as a curse if you attempt to obey it's precepts. And here is the problem, there are many that are attempting to walk out it's righteous requirments, without Christ! When you do that, then you are trying to earn righteousness through the law. We see this with our Jewish brethren today. I even heard the famous speaker Dennis Prager once say, he believes if his righteous deeds out weigh his unrighteous deeds, he will inherit eternal life! This is because he is trying to walk out the law without Christ! That is impossible because we are in a fallen state! In this fallen state, we cannot walk out the righteous requirements of the law without Christ! It is He that indwells us with the Holy Spirit, who provides you with the power to overcome sin in your life! Now, because I am still in this flesh, I will make mistakes and this is where grace comes in! Grace is given so that as we learn God's righteous instructions and make thoses mistakes, it is grace that covers us! So when I am walking out obedience, this is the evidence of the faith that I have placed in Christ. It is He that is changing me from one who walked in disobedience to one that walks in obedience out of love! He gets all the glory and all the honor so that no man can boast! It seems like you are looking for a list of the commandments that still apply. This is where I think things get lost. We should not look at God's law as a checklist of things I need to follow in order to reassure ourselves of our salvation. In the New Covenant, God wants to write His laws on our hearts and put them in our minds. He wants us to obey Him because we love Him, not to save ourselves, because we cannot earn our salvation by treating His law as a checklist. This makes the work of Christ to no effect and takes His sacrifice as a common thing. It is clear that Christ did not die so that now I am under this grace and can live my life in any way I chose. It cheapens His Grace and this is where the balance must come in. Just as there are "Torah observant" Christians that take things too far, there are mainstream Christians that take it too far and think we no longer need to even study the Torah beacuse if we do it brings a curse. So that take the grace of God as a license to sin. I often hear people say, "Well we are all sinners and none of us are perfect." It is like saying, " so why bother trying, I'm going to sin anyway." This, to me, takes away the power that Christ provides to us. I believe Christ gives us the strength and the power to overcome sins that often hold many in bondage. I greatly appeciate you hearing me out. I truly would love to discuss things with you further. It would benefit both sides of the camp. Shalom!

[@RestorationofallThings]

@@kimartist I prefer to use scripture to define scripture. You say righteousness just means "right with God" but where do you find that in scripture? And what determines what "right with God" means? Paul tells Timothy that from his childhood he has known the Holy Scriptures. Paul tells Timothy that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine(theology) for reproof, for correction, and for instructions in righteousness." What is scripture to Paul and Timothy? It is not the new testament because at the time of this writing, the new testament has not been written yet. The only scriptures that they knew at this time was the old testament. With that being said, according to scripture, we find in Ps. 119:142 that God's righteousness is an everlasting righteousness. This means that God's righteousness is forever because God does not change. In Ps. 119:172 we find that God's commandments are righteousness. So, when I decide to walk within God's commandments, I am not keeping a righteousness of my own, I am walking within God's righteousness. We do not do this in our own strength, but through Christ and the Holy Spirit so that no one can boast. This is the change that takes place in you once you have accepted Christ as your savior. He gets all the glory and all the honor for this change. Before you come to Him you are in disobedience to God's law. It is Christ that should lead you into obedience. He states this in John 15:10. We should all want to be found 'right with God' and you do that by walking in obedience to His righteous commandments. This is the example our Messiah gave us. It is important to understand that this is the evidence that you have placed your faith in Christ. It is Christ that leads you to this obedience and provides you with the power to overcome sin. This is not a 'work' of your own, it is a work of the Spirit, so that none of us can boast. The problem is NOT God's righteous commandments, the problem is our inability to walk out the righteous requirements of them in this fallen state. God is fixing a problem and that problem is our fallen natures. By teaching that God had to remove His righteous laws and Christ had to walk them our for us, we make God's laws the problem. God has always wanted obedience but out of our love for Him. That is confirmed in 1 John 2:3. This is how He knows that we know Him and anyone who says that they know Him but does not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in Him. Christ tells us the same thing in Matt. 7:23 He does not know them because they are practicing lawlessness. I hope that my explaination helps you to understand where I am coming from. I understand that there are changes in the law under this new covenant and I am NOT advocating a return to the entirety of the law given to Moses. I think we can go to far on both sides of this topic. I am not here to argue with anyone. Be blessed!

[@kimartist]

​@@RestorationofallThings The Bible doesn't have a Glossary, sorry. If you can't be bothered to look up a word, that's on you. I had mistakenly thought you were making a sincere inquiry, but since I now see that you merely enjoy bloviating at no one in particular (i.e. waxing eloquent re: questions no one asked), I have deleted my comment & my participation is now complete. Farewell.

[@NatalieAndersonGP]

A a torah observer, you have it correct to my understanding except that although the sacrifice is over, we celebrate in Thanksgiving. The holiday isn't done, just the blood shed. It's about the heat.

[@danielnelson9411]

Have any of you read Matthew 5, the Sermon on the Mount? Near the beginning of the Sermon on the Mount, Messiah tells us not to even think that He came to abolish the Law or the Prophets. And He tells us to keep the Law, even what is considered the least of the commandments. Furthermore, He tells us to teach others to keep the Law. Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Near the end of the Sermon on the Mount, He tells us about people in the end times that think they are saved but are not. They prophecied, cast out demons, and performed miracles in Messiah's name. But He tells them to depart from Him for He never knew them. Why? Because they practices Lawlessness. Unfortunately, I believe there are a lot of those in the Church today. They do not keep the Law (most seem to have disdain for the Law) and tell everyone that there is not need to keep the Law. They say that if you keep the Law, you are being legalistic. I fear for these people. I hope they see the truth before it is too late. Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’ Shalom!

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Daniel. Do you believe that not a jot or tittle has yet passed from the law? Not even the laws commands requiring animal sacrifices to atone for sin every year (Lev. 16)? RLS

[@danielnelson9411]

@@TheBiblicalRoots We are told that the animal sacrifices do not atone for sin. *Hebrews 10:11 Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins;* Priests here on earth only serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. *Hebrews 8:4 Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all, since there are those who offer the gifts according to the Law; 5 who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, just as Moses was warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle; for, “See,” He says, “that you make all things by the pattern which was shown to you on the mountain.”* Based on that and what Messiah said back in Matthew 5:17-20, animal sacrifices for sin are still in effect. In the past, they pointed to Messiah's coming. And now, they are a reminder of the price Messiah paid for our sin. We cannot make those sacrifices today. But when the Temple is rebuilt and the altar is set up, those sacrifices will resume. That is my understanding of scripture. Shalom!

[@henryhodgens4312]

Excellent! It is my opinion that "works / deeds of the law" or just "works" refers to the "commandments of men", "traditions of the fathers / elders", or Oral Law / MIshnah / Talmud in today's parlance. But "good works" (mitzvoth) refers to the Commandments of God (Torah). If so, note how this plays into Mt 5:16 and your depiction of the Sermon on the Mount: 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works (mitzvoth, commandment keeping), and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Shalom

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

@@danielnelson9411 Thanks, Daniel. What did the Old Covenant animal sacrifices atone for, if not sin? The Torah says, "Aaron is to offer the bull for his own sin offering to make atonement for himself and his household" (Lev 16:6). "“He shall then slaughter the goat for the sin offering for the people" (Lev 16:15). The are the sacrifices required on the Day of Atonement. "Because on this day atonement will be made for you, to cleanse you. Then, before the Lord, you will be clean from all your sins" (Lev. 16:30). Does the Torah ever say that these sacrifices are a just _reminder_ of their sin? Or was that not revealed until after Jesus came? Rob

[@danielnelson9411]

@@TheBiblicalRoots "Or was that not revealed until after Jesus came?" is a rhetorical question.

[@isaiahchavez6008]

Argument for position 1A Animal sacrifices are only for unintentional sins. Anyone who sins intentionally or with a high hand, their guilt remains on them. Number 15:28-31 We see evidence of this in Psalm 51, a Psalm of David after his sin with Bathsheba. We see even more evidence of this is in Isaiah 1. God doesn’t want sacrifices for intentional sin, atonement sacrifices were meant to be for ignorance. Job 1:5 also shows Job giving sacrifice because “perhaps” they sinned against God in their mind. There was nothing prescribed in the Torah for intentional sin, your guilt remains on you. Because when you sin intentionally, it means that you know better. Jonah 4:11 drives this home, when God has mercy on Nineveh because they don’t know their right from their left, rendering their sin as unintentional. They are forgiven not only because of their fasting, but because every year on Sukkot Israel slaughtered 70 bulls for the 70 nations for their unintentional sins (Numbers 29:12-34). Now that we’ve differentiated between intentional and unintentional sin, we see Yeshua becoming a sacrifice for intentional sins. This is how God is able to forgive David and other who have sinned intentionally. Yeshua is the lamb slain at the foundation of the world (1 Peter 1:19-20 and Revelation 13:8), so all of Righteous who sinned with a high hand looked forward to the Messiah to take their sins and perform Tshuva. We see this concept also in the Rabbinical Targums of Genesis 3, “and it shall be when the sons of the woman keep the commandments of the law, they will be prepared to smite thee upon thy head; but when they forsake the commandments of the law, thou wilt be ready to wound them in their heel. Nevertheless for them there shall be a medicine, but for thee there will be no medicine; and they shall make a remedy for the heel in the days of the King Meshiha.” How do we know we can give sacrifices if a temple is ever reestablished? Because we see the disciples and other believers give various types of offerings at the temple, AFTER Yeshua’s death at the cross (Acts 21). We see that the 2nd Temple itself doesn’t have the Ark of the Covenant, yet Yeshua and the rest of the Disciples still do all the feasts and Yeshua also instructs a Leper to offer sacrifices (Mark 1:44, Luke 5:14). This shows us that while we cant perform the Torah exactly as written due to external circumstances, we should still do our best despite that. Yeshua even calls the empty temple his Father’s House, despite the Ark never being there (Matt 21:13). Are we in the New Covenant yet? Yeshua did say that this cup was the blood of the New Covenant but does his death mean that it started? It’s my understanding that the Sinaitic covenant didn’t start with the blood of the Passover Lamb, but at the contract agreement at the mountain itself. I believe this to also be true of Yeshua. I think he mad a type of downpayment for a later date. ”For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.” I think that this will be initiated in the Kingdom, the Millenial Reign, this is why the least in the Kingdom will be greater than John the Baptist (Matt 11:11) I believe this New Covenant is the contract of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. And when we are in this covenant, it doesn’t null or void the covenant before it. The Mosaic doesn’t take away from the Abrahamic, nor the Abrahamic from the Noah covenant. With all this in mind, it isn’t far-fetched for temple sacrifices to come back during the millennial reign, not for the believers (because the torah will be written on their hearts) but for the nations living outside the kingdom. This is why they have to celebrate Sukkot (Zechariah 14:16). We also see various types of sacrifices resumed in a 3rd Temple (Ezekiel 40 and 45). The atonement sacrifices are only for unintentional sins, forgiveness for intentional sins is through Yeshua’s sacrifice. I could speak more about this and would even welcome a private chat between you and I. Different Torah people believe in different things, but this is my belief and understanding. Shalom to all who read this.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Isaiah! I hear you. But you cited a passage in Numbers 15 that speaks of offerings for unintentional sins. In this video, I spoke about the Day of Atonement, in which the high priest makes offerings for *_all_* the sins of the Israelites, not just unintentional sins. "He is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it *_all the wickedness and rebellion_* of the Israelites- *_all their sins_* -and put them on the goat’s head. He shall send the goat away into the wilderness in the care of someone appointed for the task. The goat will carry on itself *_all their sins_* to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness" (Lev 16:16, 20-21). Yom Kippur covered both intentional and unintentional sins. "All their sins." So if you want to defend position 1A and suggest the sacrifices to atone for sins have been suspended and will later be resumed, what did the sacrifice of Jesus accomplish? Shalom, Rob

[@isaiahchavez6008]

@@TheBiblicalRoots The Goat who was sent out into the wilderness was not an atonement sacrifice, it wasn't slaughtered like an atonement offering. The priest gave a bull for himself and the other priests. (For unintentional sins) Then a Ram was slaughtered for unintentional sins. The blood of both sprinkled on the altar of burnt offering. The other Ram (the one who lived) took the intentional sins but wasn't sacrificed because there is no sacrifice for intentional sin. It was merely a cover, not true atonement. (Hebrews 10:4-11) Then the offering of a ram for himself and the people is a peace offering.

[@TorahAnon70]

​@@TheBiblicalRoots it's a short term purification Ritual comparable to the two doves for Leprosy Purification in Lev. 14:4-7. If you read Jewish literature about Yom Kippur, you'll see that even as early as the Mishna, the goat held the sins not only for that year but for all Generations. Meaning every year the Generational sins came back. It was just a covering because again, there is no Sacrifice for intentional sins. Judaism will say it's only T'shuva. I say it's T'shuva and Mashiach's Soul sacrifice as outlined in Isaiah 53. There's no instructions for a soul sacrifice in Torah, and it's the only sacrifice mentioned for the Atonement of intentional sins.

[@TorahAnon70]

​@@TheBiblicalRoots would love to see you're response

[@TorahAnon70]

​@@TheBiblicalRoots would love to see your response

[@radostinvasilev599]

Rob, Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

[@garyshadle2626]

While your statement is true, it is also true that those who teach something different than what we were given in the New Testament are not brethren. They are false teachers, wolves in sheep's clothing. Your statement does not apply to them. We are to call them out sharply, expose them, and avoid them. I would also argue that Professor Solberg is not speaking evil of anyone. He is merely questioning and challenging their theology as the Bible tells us to do. He is doing so in a kind and respectful manner even going as far as looking to hear their dialogue. Titus 1:10-11 - For there are many rebellious people who engage in useless talk and deceive others. This is especially true of those who insist on circumcision for salvation. They must be silenced, because they are turning whole families away from the truth by their false teaching. 1 Timothy 4:1-3 - Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead. They will say it is wrong to be married and wrong to eat certain foods. But God created those foods to be eaten with thanks by faithful people who know the truth. Acts 20:29-30 - I know that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will come in among you after I leave, not sparing the flock. Even some men from your own group will rise up and distort the truth in order to draw a following. 1 John 4:1 - Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world. Matt 7:15 - Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 - These people are false apostles. They are deceitful workers who disguise themselves as apostles of Christ. But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no wonder that his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. In the end they will get the punishment their wicked deeds deserve.

[@John3.36]

"Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us." -- 2 Thess. 3:6 KJV Hebrew Rooters are teaching a different Gospel and not following after the traditions of the new testament church.

[@radostinvasilev599]

@@John3.36 disorderly means without Torah

[@John3.36]

@@radostinvasilev599 according to you, not that verse

[@kimartist]

2 Thessalonians 3 : 6 says literally in Greek: Adelphos (brother) peripateo (conducts himself) ataktos (disorderly/irresponsibly). The context is Christian BROTHERS who are lazy (irresponsible) & not working for the food they eat, NOT unbelievers or "wicked men" (poneros anthropos) who are mentioned earlier in the chapter.

[@rightousliving]

What about the passages in Ezekiel that speak about the new temple, the restoration of the Levitical priesthood and animal sacrifices. Even the Messiah brings a sacrifice according to Ezekiel 45:22: "On that day the prince is to provide a bull as a sin offering for himself and for all the people of the land."

[@SolaDeoGloria713]

The issue with your interpretation of the verse is that if this is Jesus as the prince offering this sin offering in the future for Himself, doesn't that imply that Jesus had sin to atone for?

[@rightousliving]

@@SolaDeoGloria713 It's a valid point. I would like to know. However, Ezekiel is considered the Word of God and it appears to contradict the opinions of our Christian friends who believe that Jesus is the final sin sacrifice and no more animal sacrifices are ever required anymore. How than do these fit together?

[@SolaDeoGloria713]

@@rightousliving In my opinion, because the New Testament passages are so clear Christ offered Himself as a sacrifice, "once for all". (Hebrews 7:27), and that no more animal sacrifices are necessary after His atoning sacrifice, (Hebrews 10:11-18), that this fact should be used to interpret the ambiguous timing of Ezekiel's foretold temple. Ezekiel gives us a blueprint of a coming temple but he doesn't record definitively what time the temple should be built. I know that many would see this as a temple that is future to us, but I am not so sure. Ezekiel was written before Ezra's temple was built so I think it is reasonable that the blueprint could have been intended for the post-exilic people prior to the coming of the final sacrifice. Christ's sacrifice being the final sacrifice for atonement is also consistent with the view that Ezekiel's temple is merely spiritual, (a view that I would not necessary hold to.)

[@rightousliving]

@@SolaDeoGloria713 considering that for the first three centuries only the Hebrew Scriptures were referred to as the Holy Scriptures shouldn’t we rather judge the scriptures based on it instead of reading New Testament scriptures back into it. It’s like hammering a square peg into a round hole. How do we know that Paul’s teaching really is correct? It contradicts much of the Hebrew Scriptures and even the gospels and the book of Acts. Even James contradicts him making a strong point that we’re not saved by faith alone but works. Sounds to me he heard of Paul’s teachings and writes against it. I’m not saying gentiles need to observe the Torah in the same way Jews do, but since we’re still waiting for the fullfiment of all the prophecies of the messiah the Torah is still to be taught, every iota and tittle. See Matthew 5. Until heaven and earth are gone and everything is fulfilled.

[@SolaDeoGloria713]

@@rightousliving Is it possible that instead of Paul being incorrect, your understanding of Paul and the Old Testament Scriptures is in error? You claim that all other parts of the Bible contradict Him but you fail to mention that Peter considers Paul's epistles to be part of Scripture. (2 Peter 3:15-16). The book of Acts also contains a biography of his life that presents him in a positive light. If you claim that Acts is biased because it was written by Luke, who was a friend of Paul, why should we trust the rest of what he wrote, including his gospel? This would also call into question the other gospels because they are substantially consistent with Luke's Gospel. Because the New Testament (including Paul) speaks so highly of the Old Testament, to the point that most arguments in the New Testament are based on citations of the Old, why should we trust the Old Testament? It was treasured and praised by people who you seem to think are hucksters and fakes. To reject the authority of one part of the Bible is to reject the authority of the whole.

[@angelmirandacruzalta3828]

Hey I really enjoy your teachings, but it would be nice you have a good conversation or dialogue with Rico Cortes, from wisdom in Torah, look him up, I think it would be very edifying conversation. He really has a very strong posture on the temple and very good information, so if you write to him and advice him to watch your video. Hopefully he will accept a dialogue.

[@radostinvasilev599]

Dr. Prof. Solberg, how do you justify with the new testament only that you should not marry your mother or your sister or your daughter?

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi Radostin! My answer is 1 Cor. 5:1-12. But let's stay on topic. Do you have any response to the challenge I set out in this video? Rob

[@radostinvasilev599]

@@TheBiblicalRoots 1 cor 5 hints that you can not have sex with your fathers wife. Which is adultery as they are not married. And secondly, my question is why you can't marry your mother, sister or daughter, if they and you are single? So, Rob, you were caught here. Acknowledge it and repent, as if you don't, you don't have the spirit of truth in you, which means you are not even a Christian. Is that not correct?

[@radostinvasilev599]

@@TheBiblicalRoots 1 Corinthians 5: 1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. There's nothing in this verses that forbids you to marry your mother, sister or daughter. Rob, you are bias. You can not accept you are wrong as well. If there's nothing in the NT that forbids you to marry your mother, sister or daughter, it means NT is not enough, as every body, i hope, knows that it is wrong to do so. The OT clearly states it.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

@@radostinvasilev599 The NT is not enough, I agree! The OT is pivotal for understanding God and our Christian faith. Rob

[@radostinvasilev599]

@@TheBiblicalRoots Rob, the grace of God doesn't make the law not required. Because of his grace he gave us the law so we might live and have life if we obey it. OT and NT work together for good. If you remove one of them, it becomes falsehood. Tell me, what does it mean to repent? And what are you repenting from?

[@DBaldwin111]

It’s a brand new covenant … Hebrews 10:8-10 NKJV - Previously saying, "Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them" (which are offered according to the law), then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He TAKES AWAY THE FIRST THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND. By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

[@henryhodgens4312]

About 80% of the time, the NT Greek term for "new" is "kainos"...new with respect to freshness, renew...not "neos"...new with respect to time. So, if the author intended a brand, spanking-new covenant, why didn't he use the term "neos"? This would have removed all doubt. Also note that in many places in Hebrews, the subject is understood from previous context. The subject of Heb 10:8-10 is the priesthood, not the covenant. If the Law has been abrogated as you and Rob hold, you need to explain Ez 43 - 48 (and others) that depict Torah pursuance including animal sacrifices during the Millennial Reign. Shalom

[@DBaldwin111]

@@henryhodgens4312 so never did I say the law was aborted. Hebrews7 tells us that where there is a change in the priesthood there is a CHANGE in the law. the verse then goes on to say, in Hebrews 10, that He takes away the first to establish the second. In Jeremiah 31:31 and inHebrews 8:8 the words in Hebrew and Greek both refer to the meaning fresh or new. Nowhere does it mean to renew that old covenant. Just to clarify though. The law was not done away with but there were some changes. The old and new testaments are in harmony with those changes. 1) no more are His laws and commandments written on stone but on our hearts 2)there is not a temple made with human hands. We are now the temple of God if??... 3)circumcision is no longer required in the flesh but in a heart of flesh. This circumcision is done by the Spirit of Christ. 4) the priesthood is no longer a levitical priesthood but of the tribe of Judah and not in the order of Aaron but the order of Melchizedek. God tells us of all his changes in the law and prophets and reveals them to us in the flesh in His Son.

[@DBaldwin111]

@@henryhodgens4312 the totality of scripture tells us that it is a brand new covenant. The word new in Hebrew, greek as well is English is congruent in what it says. It's a brand new covenant. Not like the one He made at Sanai. His words not mine. Do you see a functioning temple with a functioning priesthood that sacrifices animals for sins. God said He has no pleasure in those things though they served a purpose for a time. He had a better Priesthood that was the only one that could purify the conscience; built on better promises. The "new Wine" of the New covenant is not the old wine with an additive to it.

[@DBaldwin111]

@@henryhodgens4312 an example would be circumcision from the old covenant to the new. Paul does not teach to not circumcise their children on the 8th day. it's perfectly fine to do such. Paul still teaches that circumcision is still required for salvation, but not according to the letter of the law but according to the Spirit of the law. [Col 2:11 NKJV] 11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,

[@henryhodgens4312]

@@DBaldwin111 "Abrogate" not "abort". In Hebrews 7, we read: 12 For the priesthood being CHANGED, there is made of necessity a CHANGE also of the law. (Heb 7:12) Both of these terms, CHANGED (G3346, metatithemi) / CHANGE (G3331, metathesis), are TRANSPOSITIONAL, meaning the nature of the subject is not changed, only where it is placed. The priesthood was moved from earth to heaven and the law was moved from stone to our hearts. This is foreshadowing for Hebrews 8:8-10 and 9:10. Hebrew is termed an “action” language. This is because Hebrew is a root word language where all the various articles of speech are generated from verbs. Now, in English, Hebrew, and Greek, it’s impossible to “new” something. New is only used as an adjective ...never a verb. If you COULD “new” something, in English the proper term would be “create”. Same in Hebrew…to “new” something is “b’riyah” (H1278 - create) [Gen 1:1]. Thus, if the intent of Jer 31:31 was to bring forth a brand, spanking-new, never-before-seen, covenant, the passage SHOULD have used the word “b’riyah”. Instead, Jer 31:31 uses the term “chadashah” (H2319) …the root word (verb) chadesh (H2318) plus the feminine ending to form the adjective that agrees with brit (covenant). That is, the Hebrew adjective, chadash (H2319), COMES FROM the verb root, chadesh (H2318), and is distinguished from the verb by the ending of agreement with the noun it modifies. The VERB H2318 is defined as “to BE new” …but notice that EVEN IN THE DEFINITION, “new” is NOT the verb…it is an adjective. Therefore, as noted in the Strong’s usage, the verb, chadesh (H2318), is always rendered as renew, rebuild, restore, refresh, etc. Thus, in a root-word language derived from verbs, the adjective [chadash (H2319), in this case] must, as a minimum, also carry the same idea as the verb chadesh (H2318) …that is, renewed, rebuilt, restored, refreshed, etc. Otherwise, it (Hebrew) would not be a root-word language. A good example of this idea is the “new moon”. In Hebrew, the term is “chodesh” (H2320) …also derived from H2318, “to BE new”. But, as we all know, the moon isn’t “created new” each month…it’s just seen again … “renewed.” In Greek, with respect to covenants, it’s the same story. If the intent was a brand, spanking-new, never-before-seen, covenant, the term should have been “neos” (G3501) …new with respect to AGE (time). Instead, in the vast majority of cases (around 80%), the word used is “kainos” (G2537) …new with respect to FRESHNESS (quality)…that is “refreshed”. If the author / translator intended a brand, spanking-new, never-before-seen, covenant, why not dispel all doubt and use “neos” (G3501)??? Remember too that the Greek NT is being translated from a Hebrew / Aramaic substrate, so we put emphasis on the Hebrew understanding. [I expect this will bring forth a volley of objections…bring it on :^) ] Thus, in sum, the idea is that it’s NOT a totally new covenant. How could it be totally new if not one “jot” or “tittle” will change (Mt 5:17,18)? Additionally, Messiah Yeshua goes on to state: 19 Whosoever therefore SHALL BREAK ONE OF THESE LEAST COMMANDMENTS, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN (eternal): but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. (Mt 5:19) What is circumcision of the heart? 51 Ye stiffnecked and UNCIRCUMCISED IN HEART and ears, ye do always RESIST THE HOLY GHOST: as your fathers did, so do ye. 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have RECEIVED THE LAW by the disposition of angels, and HAVE NOT KEPT IT. (Acts 7:51-53) So, the Spirit’s task is to write God’s commandments on our hearts…to convict us of sin; i.e., transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4). This IS the (Re-)New(ed) Covenant! 33 But this shall be the COVENANT that I will make with the house of ISRAEL; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my LAW (Hebrew, Torah) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. (Jer 31:33) 10 For this is the COVENANT that I will make with the house of ISRAEL after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my LAWS (Greek, nomos) into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: (Heb 8:10) Shalom

[@donbaird]

Great presentation. However, the Hebrew Roots members that I know do not accept the teachings of Paul -- he is dropped from the equation. So, I go to John (as most HR folks accept him) and attempt to reach HR members a different way. If they believe in Paul, this is not to tough to present; but if they do not believe in Paul (kind of handy for them), it's a tough, uphill battle. They are literally trained to defend their positions as long as Paul is out of the way. So, they simply deny him.

[@DBaldwin111]

Hey brother. Which teachings do you think Paul taught that wasn’t written in the scriptures or the tanakh?

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks, Don! I get pushed back on Paul a lot. But I feel no obligation to try to work around his texts. If they want to reject the Bible, they are in serious error and need to know about it! Blessings, Rob

[@mdc1010]

Understanding atonement can be tricky for Christians, no matter what branch you follow. Before diving into the New Testament, it's crucial to make sense of the Prophets' teachings. Take Ezekiel 45:17, for example, which talks about making sacrifices for atonement. It's puzzling to see these sacrifices mentioned, especially in a future context like the millennial kingdom. As I delve into Jesus's role as our High Priest, I'm trying to connect the dots between the Prophets and the New Testament. It's like that moment in "Dumb and Dumber" I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Bonus points for the Dumb & Dumber quote, MC! Indeed, prophecies are a tricky thing. For example, the first century Jewish leaders thought they understood the prophecy of the Messiah, and when He walked into their lives many of them totally missed it! Blessings, RLS

[@achristianconvertedtochris5862]

It is easy to create a straw man by using the phrase the law of Moses. This is not found anywhere in the bible. It is in the English translation but not in the bible.

[@salpezzino7803]

prove it. Malachi 4:4 says law of Moses in Hebrew. Acts 13:39, Luke 24:44, Acts 15:5, Luke 2:22 in the Greek

[@rightousliving]

@@salpezzino7803it’s actually Torah of Moses which usually is translated Law of Moses. But it’s just nitpicking, so ignore.

[@salpezzino7803]

@@rightousliving I will

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, CCC! The Law of Moses is the law that Yahweh gave to Israel through Moses. And the reason I refer to it as the “Law of Moses” is because that’s what the Bible calls it. (Josh. 8:31-32, 23:6; 1 Kings 2:3; 2 Kings 14:6, 23:25; 2 Chron. 23:18, 30:16; Ezra 3:2, 7:6, Neh. 8:1; Dan. 9:11-13; Luke 2:22, 24:44; John 7:23; Acts 13:39, 15:5, 15:21, 28:23; 1 Cor. 9:9; Heb. 10:28). Blessings, Rob

[@randylundgren8421]

I agree with you about the sin sacrifice, that was one of the ways that Jesus fulfilled the law. However you've put the whole Torah under the context of the sin sacrifice. I also agree that you don't have to do the Torah to be saved. But some people divide the Torah into three categories as you well know. I see it differently. I divide it into the commandments, and the penalties. When he said he didn't delight in sacrifices he was saying I'd rather you keep the commandments rather than offer sacrifices scince the sacrifices were the result of breaking the commandments. Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness. That's what God wanted at Sinai. Believe God (which is reflected in your actions) and keep his commandments and you will receive blessings (from being righteous). If you don't keep the commandments, there is another set of commandments that describe the consequences of not keeping them. We act as if the commandments were some evil thing but they were for our own good. I sure wish I were as articulate as you, I'm certainly about to be misunderstood. Deuteronomy 11:26-28 [26]Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; [27]A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: [28]And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known. To me the blessings come from obeying the commandments. The curse (death and resulting sacrifices) comes from disobedience. Jesus through his blood provided grace so that we wouldn't have to pay the price ourselves. Also there were other sacrifices not related to sin that we could still keep if possible. Not to mention the dedication of the third temple and the red heifer thing.

[@salpezzino7803]

Are you saying after the Cross there are Works Blessings and Curses from disobedience? If so you have no Idea what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is. I understand why, most in your Cult don't. Well I hope you are very obedient today, I can't go a day without breaking most of the 10 Commandments, how much worse is it for those who claim to keep the law of Moses.

[@DBaldwin111]

⁠@@salpezzino7803you are deceived my friend if you are walking in wilfull disobedience, committing what you know to be sin and still think you are following Christ Hebrews 5:9 NKJV - And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Acts 5:32 NKJV - "And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him." This is the kind of false doctrine this kind of teaching leads to

[@salpezzino7803]

@@DBaldwin111 have you been drinking? I am not your friend. Hebrews 5 is speaking of Jesus's obedience to the Father. Acts 5 The Holy Spirit is given to those God saved. So what is the point? Still teaching heresy or Judaism. No curses for all those who are His. Torah Keepers will get the curses because they reject the Cross of Jesus Christ ......

[@salpezzino7803]

@@DBaldwin111 I forgot BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[@randylundgren8421]

Matthew 5:19 [19]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[@arlindodossantos2305]

So alternatively could one argue if we keep part of the law we need to keep the whole of the law? If there are laws given that "keep" but not repeated are we not to be found guilty on all of the law? There are laws in the OT we keep that are not repeated in the NT. ( except we do not stone people for doing them are we therefore guilty of breaking the law?) One example would we beastuallity. Or marrying your wife/ ex wife's daughter - step daughter - even hollywood finds this repulsive? See Romans 1. - are we under any law or commandments in the NT? Let us keep the feast ( Pass Over ) not Easter - for it is written mam cannot live on bread on every word of God? Be Holy for I Am Holy ( as it is written)? These things were written for your understanding? ( paraphrasing). I will gladly lookup the verses if wanted.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi Arlindo! Paul does say, " I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law" (Gal. 5:3). And James says "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it" (James 2:10). So there's that. Also, bestiality and incest are absolutely prohibited in the NT. RL

[@timjones1583]

Not one jot or tittle of the TORAH will be done away with till all is fulfilled. has everything been accomplished? NO!

[@iansmith9474]

Simple: the Torah is God's requirement for the inheritance of the land and for blessing while residing on the land. Only Israel possesses the inheritance. Therefore, it logically follows, that the Torah only applies to the Israelite. Since the work of the Holy spirit is to inspire Israel to obey the Torah so that he may regather them to the land, we know that the Torah still applies to the believing Israelite. The purpose of the sacrificial system was for the atonement of the NEFESH (translated as "soul" but in the context of the Hebrew, it refers to the life of the physical body). The collective Nefesh of Israel needed atonement so that the Israelite may draw near to God's presence physically, as it resided in the temple. During the millenial reign, the portion of Israel living in the land at that time (who haven't been raised in the resurrection) will still be occupying mortal bodies subject to unintentional sin, and therefore will still need sacrifice to atone and purify their Nefesh.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks, Ian! If I understand you theory correctly, it would mean that the sacrifice of Jesus did not atone for the sins of the Israelites. Call is that what you intended to imply? Rob

[@iansmith9474]

@TheBiblicalRoots the sacrifice of Jesus bestows the believer two forms of life: eternal spiritual life and immortal physical life through the renewal and resurrection of the body. Upon faith, we receive spiritual life as the Holy Spirit comes to dwell within us. However, our flesh remains weak, subject to sinful inclinations, and it is our duty to remain in the Spirit to put to death the sin of the body. Paul calls this battle between our renewed spirit vs our flesh, the "law of the Spirit" as it wars against the "law of sin" in the body. While we have the promise of a renewed immortal body purged of an evil inclination, this form of life is only bestowed at precise times. Scripture mentions two resurrections: one at the return of the Lord prior to the millennium and one taking place after the millennium. According to Revelation, not all will be included in the first resurrection. Therefore, during the millennium, there will still be a portion of gentile humanity and a portion of regathered Israel warring against sinful and mortal bodies while Jesus is living among them. In order to honor Jesus' presence and draw near, in the same way for the ancient Israelite, the Israelite during the millenial reign will have to atone for their Nefesh through sacrifice until they receive the ultimate atonement of Jesus' sacrifice - a renewed Nefesh (resurrected immortal body) at the second resurrection, which takes place at the end of the millennium.

[@termination9353]

It's simple. Whatever law/commandment Jesus himself told you... that law is still in affect. Jesus said for instance all of the Ten Commandments EXCEPT the commandment to keep the Sabbath. The pharisees had corrupted the Sabbath day as well as corrupting the Temple.

[@kimartist]

It's simple. Israel's first Husband died & she is now free to marry another. Romans 7.

[@LightSeekers777]

Is it legalism, or is it OBEYING GOD? Are you doing what's right in your own eyes, or FOLLOWING Christ? Are we in bondage to Sin leading to death, or God's Laws? God's Laws are good, perfect, holy, and eternal; they are His character and they don't change. The same choice in the garden is our choice today. Trying to explain God's Laws to someone who doesn't truly trust and have faith in Him, is like trying to convince a child who doesn't know you, not to eat poison chocolate, but instead choose the healthy vegetables. Unless we have come to the conclusion SIN is the ENEMY, we will never turn away from it and seek a savior to free us from the bondage of Sin. If we love and cling to our sin, we will continue to serve it and rebel against God and His Laws.

[@johnnyblades7824]

You are missing facts! The Ark Of The Covenant, was not in the second temple within the Holy of Holies, and yet, the rules of keeping the Day of atonement state that the blood of the Yom Kippur offering must be sprinkled over it, read: Exodus 16:15 “Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering that is for the people and bring its blood inside the veil and do with its blood as he did with the blood of the bull, sprinkling it over the mercy seat and in front of the mercy seat. Does that mean the priests where useless? Does that mean that the Isrealites, including Jesus, were not bound to keep the other cammandments? What say you then? I would offer that all the ways of the Father have a spiritual base, and we must fulfill all that we are capable of ( given the individual knowledge and logistical capabilities we each posses,) in the physical, thus confiming the spiritual. The only excuse for not keeping the cammandments is ignorance (for which the Father offers atonement see Leviticus ch 4.). Let us not be guilty of willful ignorance. Proverbs 21:2-4 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the LORD weighs the heart. To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Haughty eyes and a proud heart, the lamp of the wicked, are sin. (Ask: what Is doing " righteousness and justice")

[@simonskinner1450]

Rob I was waiting for the blood of Jesus to be taken from an altar to the Mercy Seat to make Christianity true, he did not at the Cross make atonement for sins as the Mercy Seat is in heaven. The Torah is dualistic after Moses until Jesus, but though his death and resurrection use the law, it is not a temple sacrifice. There is a lesson to be learned from the Temple system, and that is about atonement of past sins, but his sacrifice only indirectly leads to atonement through a covenant. Not a covenant of grace replacing a covenant of works, but the covenant of works altered to include a free gift of grace to atone for past sins, the very type and shadow of animal sacrifices realised in heavenly judgement. You see it is misconception that Christianity and Hebrew Roots suffer from, the answer is in the NT for those who can fathom the meaning of propitiation.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks, Simon! Yes absolutely the sacrifice of Jesus was not a temple sacrifice under the Mosaic commands. It was not performed in a temple by a priest. Those temple sacrifices were given as a temporary foreshadowing of the Real Thing (Heb. 10:1-4). The sacrifice that was so powerful it even brought forgiveness for all the unpunished sins under the first covenant (Rom 3:25, Heb. 9:15)! Shalom! Rob

[@simonskinner1450]

@@TheBiblicalRoots I cannot agree with your idea of propitiation, as there was no atonement at the Cross, his sacrifice served a purpose to allow forgiveness in a covenant situation.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

@@simonskinner1450 It's not my idea you're disagreeing with, Simon. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith" (Rom 3:23-25). "Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people" (Heb. 2:17) "He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2:2) "In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins" (1 John 4:10). Shalom, Rob

[@simonskinner1450]

@@TheBiblicalRoots Please check again your assumption that everyone has sinned, as this is contrary to nature and the law as per Paul in Romans. For you benefit I have Ytube video #21 about "all" in all have sinned, as the Greek is cumulative of those in context, and the context is the imputation of sin in Romans 3:20. The proper reading as most likely meant by the translators is, "all that have sinned fall short of the glory of God". That is a natural myth in Christianity as I say refuted by Paul as some by nature do not sin, and death fell everyone due to Adam even those who God not sinned. More to follow.

[@simonskinner1450]

@@TheBiblicalRoots Your ESV is a terrible translation of Romans 3:25. That aside, the four verses of propitiation are reconciliation, that is being in the new covenant by the grace of the Father, we are reconciled at baptism into the church, this is the effect of the Cross as Jesus recovered access to eternal life for those in Christ, access to everyone but only those in the church can be sanctified. Atonement is a free gift of past dins forgiven, which is the promise we are given, for the promise of faith and all that is not if faith is sin. The atonement is assumed based on the veracity of our promise of faith, by the nature of covenants breaking the covenant releases the other party from their obligations. This I cover in Ytube video #23. You see Christianity misses that Romans 5-8 is baptism into the covenant, not salvation which is the realising of the atonement promise to forgive past sins at baptism. Romans 12-15 covers sanctification. Check video #18 part 2 for the oath of faith in Paul's parable in Romans 7:1-4.

[@TrembleAtHisWord]

Challenge accepted!!!!I disagree with your assertion. Forgiveness through Jesus remains available until His second coming. However, during the Millennial Kingdom, there will be a different dispensation of justice, including the saints participating in discernment and judgment according to God's will, as mentioned in Revelation 20:4. God's law will indeed be central, and people from all nations will come to learn and follow His ways, as Isaiah 2:3 describes. It's important to note that these people aren't the saints who have new incorruptible bodies. The Levitical priesthood, particularly the descendants of Zadok, will have a role in teaching and upholding God's laws, as seen in Ezekiel 44:23-24. In Ezekiel 43:13-19, detailed instructions regarding the temple altar underscore the importance of obedience to God's commands. Additionally, Zechariah 14:16-19 outlines the observance of the Festival of Tabernacles during the Messianic era, with consequences for those who do not participate. Lastly, Isaiah 65:20 depicts a time of abundance and longevity during the Messianic era for the ordinary people, emphasizing the blessings of that period.These people will rise up against God and the saints in the new Jerusalem, when Satan is released from the 1000-year bondage. After that God destroys them, there will be the second resurrection, and all people will be judged according to their deeds. After the old heaven and earth disappear, God will create a new heaven and earth. Then, the Torah will end. Until this heaven and earth, the law will remain. The fulfillment is in the last chapter of Revelation.

[@johnzarr6590]

Zechariah 13:6 basically says Jesus admits to being a false prophet. Read the entire Zechariah 13 to get the verse in context. Zechariah 13:1-5 explains it clearly that Jesus C was a false prophet. Zechariah 13:1-7 On that day, a spring shall be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for purification and for sprinkling. And it shall come to pass on that day, says the Lord of Hosts: I will cut off the names of the idols from the earth, and they shall no longer be mentioned. And also the prophets and the spirit of contamination I will remove from the earth. And it shall come to pass, if a man still prophesies, that his father and his mother-his parents-shall say to him, "You shall not live, for you have spoken falsely in the name of the Lord." And his father and his mother-his parents-shall thrust him through because of his prophesying. And it shall come to pass on that day that the prophets shall be ashamed, each one of his vision when he prophesies; and they will not wear a hairy mantle in order to lie. And he shall say, "I am not a prophet! I am a tiller of the soil, for a man entrusted me with his cattle from my youth." And one will say to him, "What are these wounds between your hands?" And he shall say, "That I was smitten in the house of my friends." O sword, awaken against My shepherd and against the man who is associated with Me! says the Lord of Hosts. Smite the shepherd, and the flock shall scatter, and I will return My hand upon the little ones. And it shall come to pass throughout all the land, says the Lord, two parts of it shall be cut off. They shall perish, and the third shall remain therein. And I will bring the third in fire; and I will refine them as one refines silver, and I will test them as one tests gold. He shall call in My name, and I will respond to him. I said, "He is My people"; and he shall say, "The Lord is my God."

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

I have to respectfully disagree with your interpretation of that passage, John. And actually there's a bigger problem if you want to claim Jesus is a false prophet. In God's universe, dead false prophets stay dead. Only God can raise someone from the dead, and that's what He did with Jesus, validating Him as a true prophet and the Messiah! Shalom, Rob

[@johnzarr6590]

@@TheBiblicalRoots The problem is that you’re reading the heavily edited Christian version. Here is the non-edited non-Christian version that is closer to the Hebrew translation. Zechariah 13:1-7 On that day, a spring shall be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for purification and for sprinkling. And it shall come to pass on that day, says the Lord of Hosts: I will cut off the names of the idols from the earth, and they shall no longer be mentioned. And also the prophets and the spirit of contamination I will remove from the earth. And it shall come to pass, if a man still prophesies, that his father and his mother-his parents-shall say to him, "You shall not live, for you have spoken falsely in the name of the Lord." And his father and his mother-his parents-shall thrust him through because of his prophesying. And it shall come to pass on that day that the prophets shall be ashamed, each one of his vision when he prophesies; and they will not wear a hairy mantle in order to lie. And he shall say, "I am not a prophet! I am a tiller of the soil, for a man entrusted me with his cattle from my youth." And one will say to him, "What are these wounds between your hands?" And he shall say, "That I was smitten in the house of my friends." O sword, awaken against My shepherd and against the man who is associated with Me! says the Lord of Hosts. Smite the shepherd, and the flock shall scatter, and I will return My hand upon the little ones. And it shall come to pass throughout all the land, says the Lord, two parts of it shall be cut off. They shall perish, and the third shall remain therein. And I will bring the third in fire; and I will refine them as one refines silver, and I will test them as one tests gold. He shall call in My name, and I will respond to him. I said, "He is My people"; and he shall say, "The Lord is my God." Also read Deuteronomy 13:1 “Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it.” Christianity is so scared of Deuteronomy 13:1 that they removed it from most bibles and put it at end of chapter 12 in Deuteronomy. “Not add to the scripture“ means the entire NT is illegal. “Not subtract from the scripture “ means you can’t delete Deuteronomy 13:1 just because Christianity doesn’t like it.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

@@johnzarr6590 There is no "non edited" version of the Bible. Especially not in English! RLS

[@johnzarr6590]

@@TheBiblicalRoots The Christian version of the Bible is massively edited to support the false premise that the OT mentions JC. JC wasn’t even born yet when the OT was written.

[@kimartist]

​@@johnzarr6590 1st century Christians (who were mostly Jews) only had access to the scrolls of Isaiah, where they found Messiah/Jesus. The 1st Bible (in Latin) wasn't printed until 1455.

[@remarkable937]

Yeshua atoned for our sins and on that day I praise Him and read the Bible sections when he was crucified.

[@LawofMoses]

Are you seriously saying you can not keep the ten commandments and regulations as given to Moses? The entire teaching left in the gospel before the tares were sown by Paul, all send us to God, to obey the covenant commandments. Just this alone us warning enough The Narrow Gate 13 “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell[f] is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it. The Tree and Its Fruit 15 “Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. 16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 19 So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. 20 Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions. True Disciples 21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’ THOSE WHO BREAK GOD'S LAWS!!! MATTHEW GOSPEL CHAPTER 5,7,18,19 ALL SAY FIGHT WITH ALL YOU HAVE TO OBEY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS

[@kimartist]

"And God spoke all these words: 'I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.'" 🤔🤔🤔

[@LawofMoses]

@@kimartist ? What are you attempting to say?

[@LawofMoses]

@@kimartist you reject the commandments of God for the jesus right?

[@kimartist]

​@@LawofMoses I've never been to Egypt. I've never been a slave. And most likely neither have you.

[@LawofMoses]

@kimartist yes, because you're a gentile , a pagan. You like that. You don't have to take any responsibility for your sin at all because your idol died for you? A murder set you free from obeying THE ONE TRUE GOD? Why do you hate GODS laws? What is wrong with obeying the gospel instead of Paul of Tarsus and those who came after the call was sent out to those like myself who have a heart for God(Deuteronomy chapter 30) I love not sinning knowingly. It is so amazing when you finally make it through the cleansing. By the way,I am not of Judah's ism, the religions made up on their sages and great rabbis writings,which is what the gospel came to show us is not the Law of God as Moses taught it. The gospel says,only obey God and not man. To become more righteous than the pharisees, you must leave their beliefs and repent and return to GOD ALONE. You fell for the deuteronomy chapter 13 and Matthew 13 warnings to those who hear Yehoshua the teacher. I guess you don't like God and suppose He is mean for wanting His children to obey the covenant commandments that must be what fills your heart to keep the Satan away from your heart. The Satan teaches all mankind to disregard GOD and listen to anyone but GOD. if you do not care, I wipe the sand from my shoe and away I go. You stay in sin and bow to the cross man, I will serve God alone, not mankind's religions. I am like Abraham who walked away from the whole world of idolatry,for GOD ALONE. I am a descendant of Abraham, of his covenant and the covenant given to Moses and now the 3rd offer from Jeremiah chapter 31 and the Matthew gospel. Matthew in Hebrew means a gift from GOD.

[@God-vd9ny]

Some passages clearly states that animal sacrifice will be continued when God restores the kingdom of Israel and Judah. (Jeremiah 33:17-19, Isaiah 56:6-7) I'm not specifically claiming that animal sacrifice "FOR OUR SIN" will be continued. However, bible does not teach that animal sacrifice has been dismissed collectively. Bible says the opposite.

[@johnnyblades7824]

I believe Your reading of the scriptures on this topic is leading you to illogical conclusions of the intent of the Torah. The law of the Day of atonement is to be carried out by all Isreal. All of Israel is to observe the day with a Sabbath and affliction, only the High priest is to partake in the sin and scapegoat offerings. All of the this is found in detail in Leviticus 16 -17:9 and Leviticus 32: 26-32 Jesus clearly pointed to a future where there would be no temple to worship at ( we know that according to Torah, the sin offerings must be made at the place where he places his name among the tribes ) John 3:21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” EZK 11:16 Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: Though I removed them far off among the nations, and though I scattered them among the countries, yet I have been a sanctuary to them for a while in the countries where they have gone" ( so we have Jesus prepare the way forward for us, this new arrangement is possible with Jesus fulfilling the position of High Priest in Heaven.) The entire point of the book of Hebrews is to fully illustrate how Jesus came to be our high priest in heaven with his "ephapax" offering: Hebrews 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood-and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood-why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. 13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is declared: “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.” 18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. 20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him: “The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: ‘You are a priest forever.’” 22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant. 23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely[c] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. 26 Such a high priest truly meets our need-one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever. So Yes, Messiah, The King and High Priest of Israel keeps Yom Kippur along with all of His obediant Irealites, given to him, by the the Father, to keep the Yom Kippur commandment The real kicker is that in the new temple outlined in Ezequiel, sin offerings will be done on earth again. "EZK 43:19 "you shall give to the Levitical priests of the family of Zadok, who draw near to me to minister to me, declares the Lord GOD, a bull from the herd for a sin offering."( it is important to note, that there are different types of " sin offerings" in the Torah -not all sin offering is done on Yom Kippur.. and yes, there where periods of time when the Isrealites where unable to perform temple specific sacrifice duties ( the exile, and under wartime excluded the events -it was understood that the sacrifice obligation was only binding under the caveats given at Dueteronomy 12:8-14 ) You ask if keeping the Laws given to Moses are necessary for salvation? Yeshuah is who will judge us all (John 5:22)according to our works: Revelation 20:11Then I saw a great white throne and the One seated on it. Earth and heaven fled from His presence, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne. And there were open books, and one of them was the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books. ( But according to the Scriptures, the Torah and ways of the Father are all about Justice, mercy, and Faith Mat. 23:23,Micah 6:8) The Father Judges the Heart. Jeremiah 17:10 I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, To give to each person according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds. ( I personally find it difficult to believe that the Father would punish an ignorant person with no understanding that refuses to keep the Torah with the Lake of Fire -but for those that know Messiah, that know who he was and is, and what is expected if we call ourselves His, we know he only kept the ways of the Father, and that is what he wants us to do, like he told the adulterous woman at John 8:11"..sin no more" ( BTW, Jesus told her to stop committing a sin outside of the 10 cammandments) if we as Isrealites continue to sin willfully, we are not doing as Jesus instructed us. To quote James: James 4:17Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. Isreal is called to be a holy nation of servants ( priests) ; Israel is not like the rest, they are chosen to be in close relationship; Messiah taught and spoke to thousands, but only 12 where chosen to come near and close, I do not doubt that all who believed where "saved" but it is pretty clear there are some that know more and are expected to shine more Jesus spoke of what things will look like when he returns to find his different servants, each with a different level of knowledge and accountability the parable at Luke 12:36-48 is very telling -read it! and understand Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Given the above scriptures, it is appears possible to be a believer and yet live in sin, (and ignorance?) But why would you want to?

[@biblischerMinnegesang888]

The great white Throne is not for Christians, they have at that time their new glorified body and live with Christ and God . This great white Throne will come after the Millenium Kingdom of 1000 years and after that 1000 years of Peace without the devil and his fallen angels and demons, there will come a short time, in which the devil will be released out of his prison with all his demons to seduce them who live on earth, because in that time were born children who would not know about the devil. And revelation tells us, that satan's satellites then will be as the sand at the shore of the ocean. After that will come the big judgementday with the white throne and every dead people will be raised from the death and will be judged. But not them who are been raised from death for the first resurrection to live with Christ in his kingdom 1000 years long. They are living and not dead. Christians will be "judged" when they died standing before the beema throne to receive their crowns and rewards or even not. And some of the Christians will be "judged" before that beema throne when they have been raptured into heaven. And the remnant of living people when Jesus will come back on earth to reign 1000 years will be judged by Jesus the King then.

[@davidmorris7476]

You must listen to Sean Griffin

[@johnnyblades7824]

@davidmorris7476 I've never heard of the guy until now, looked him up after you mentioned him, watched a minute clip of his -I don' t agree with his perspective on millennium reign - lol!

[@freedominchrist444]

Jesus was afflicted for us. To observe yom kippur now diminshes the once and for all sacrifice of Christ.

[@johnnyblades7824]

One more important fact: The Ark Of The Covenant, was not in the second temple within the Holy of Holies, and yet, the rules of keeping the Day of atonement state that the blood of the Yom Kippur offering must be sprinkled over it, read: Exodus 16:15 “Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering that is for the people and bring its blood inside the veil and do with its blood as he did with the blood of the bull, sprinkling it over the mercy seat and in front of the mercy seat. Does that mean that the Isrealites, including Jesus, were not bound to keep the other cammandments? What say you then? I would offer that all the ways of the Father have a spiritual base, and we must fulfill all that we are capable of ( given the individual knowledge and logistical capabilities we each posses,) in the physical, thus confiming the spiritual. The only excuse for not keeping the cammandments is ignorance (for which the Father offers atonement see Leviticus ch 4.). Let us not be guilty of willful ignorance. Proverbs 21:2-4 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the LORD weighs the heart. To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Haughty eyes and a proud heart, the lamp of the wicked, are sin. (Ask: what Is doing " righteousness and justice")