A challenging equation for all precalculus students!

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@bprpmathbasics
@bprpmathbasics Ай бұрын
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@DavidMadeira29
@DavidMadeira29 Ай бұрын
I'd go with X=1 because I'm dumb like that. Namastè.
@Thunderboys-l1v
@Thunderboys-l1v Ай бұрын
And also I'm dumb like that : ‘hello’
@HammamAlsalem-lx5zo
@HammamAlsalem-lx5zo Ай бұрын
Cheers
@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar
@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar Ай бұрын
Self-deprecating humor is as old as the hills. You don’t have a chance in this life if you really believe you are dumb.
@AlanAsher-q8f
@AlanAsher-q8f Ай бұрын
Same
@rewazza
@rewazza Ай бұрын
@@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar Don't take life so seriously
@Insightfill
@Insightfill Ай бұрын
As soon as you squared each side I started getting nervous. ALWAYS check your answers if you do that, as it can introduce extraneous roots.
@itsphoenixingtime
@itsphoenixingtime Ай бұрын
Alternatively.... Let sqrt(x) = u 1/2-u^2 = u 1 = u(2-u^2) 1 = 2u - u^3 u^3 - 2u + 1 = 0 u^3 - u^2 + u^2 - 2u + 1 = 0 u^2(u-1) + (u-1)^2 = 0 (u-1) (u^2 + u - 1) = 0 u = 1 or u = -1+sqrt(5)/2 or u = -1-sqrt(5)/2 Since u = sqrt(x), exclude the last solution as sqrt(x) need to be > 0 sqrt(x) = x , x = 1 -1+sqrt(5)/2 = x, x = 3 - sqrt(5)/2 These are the only 2 solutions and you don't even need to square both sides so the extraneous solution is removed from the start
@nicholasscott3287
@nicholasscott3287 Ай бұрын
It actually does. I checked Wolfram Alpha and there's a third root added in at x=(3+sqrt(5))/2.
@raghvendrasingh1289
@raghvendrasingh1289 29 күн бұрын
​@@itsphoenixingtime❤ Yes in a similar way we can solve x + √x = 6 by putting u = √x u^2+u - 6 = 0 u = 2 , - 3 we reject second value ans will be x = 4
@FaerieDragonZook
@FaerieDragonZook Ай бұрын
Rather than squaring both sides, I like substituting y = sqrt(x). It also immediately reminds you to delete negative values of y.
@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar
@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar Ай бұрын
@@FaerieDragonZooksince sqrt(x)>=0, set 1/(2-x) >=0 to determine solution domain. This avoids the crutch of introducing an unnecessary substitution.
@milos_radovanovic
@milos_radovanovic Ай бұрын
I was very interested in the question of why we don't have a third complex solution and decided to play with WA and plot log(abs(z^2t+z^t-1)) in the complex plane for different values of t and It is quite interesting to see the negative of the two solutions slowly disappearing "just around the corner" of 180 when t goes to < 1 or doubling for t>1
@fjccommish
@fjccommish Ай бұрын
There's 1 real and two complex = 3 solutions. There wouldn't be more solutions than the degree.
@Qermaq
@Qermaq Ай бұрын
Hmm. Seems a reasonably simple algebra problem to me. If I square both sides, I have to be on the lookout for extraneous solutions. But doing so and cross-multiplying we get the cubic x^3 - 4x^2 + 4x - 1 = 0. The coefficients and the constant sum to 0, so (x - 1) is a factor. (x - 1)(x^2 - 3x + 1) = 0. This means x = 1 and/or x = (3 +/- sqrt(5))/2. Checking these three, we discard the positive version in the second case. This is a positive number, so its square root is also positive, but it's greater than 2 so the left side will be negative. But both x = 1 and x = (3 -sqrt(5))/2 work in the original equation.
@bobross7473
@bobross7473 Ай бұрын
Bro it’s supposed to be simple lmao. It’s not an Olympiad problem or something
@tastyfood2020
@tastyfood2020 Ай бұрын
1/(2-x)=√x 1²/(2-x)²=(√x)² x³-4x²+4x-1=0 x³-x²-3x²+3x+x-1=0 x²(x-1)-3x(x-1)+1(x-1) =(X²-3x+1)(X-1) And use quadratic equation then solve I might be wrong but this is the answer And also the answer have to be less than 2 if it isn't then it isn't the answer
@sarimsalman2698
@sarimsalman2698 Ай бұрын
How does one even develop an intuition to see that? I would have never seen that method to factor out the (x-1)
@tastyfood2020
@tastyfood2020 Ай бұрын
@sarimsalman2698 well😅 It is a common method you should ask your teacher for better explanation ☺️
@nikolakosanovic9931
@nikolakosanovic9931 Ай бұрын
​@@sarimsalman2698this is one of the rare cases I saw it. I saw it a little differently. I know (x-1)³=x³-3x²+3x-1 x³-4x²+4x-1= x³-3x²+3x-1-x²+x= (x-1)³-x(x-1) . . .
@cubing7276
@cubing7276 Ай бұрын
​@@sarimsalman2698from the factor theorem, equality holds when x=1, so (x-1) is a factor
@SatyamSingh-j5o
@SatyamSingh-j5o Ай бұрын
​@@sarimsalman2698 1st see all the basic properties as base....and most valuable.... Then just think looking at the eqn...like ah what terms could have been there so that my life with this ques would be easy... Seeing the cube and the const term as one... You would think (x-1)³...just make it that way..voilaa
@nanamacapagal8342
@nanamacapagal8342 Ай бұрын
Set y = sqrt(x). 1/(2 - y^2) = y 1 = y(2 - y^2) 1 = 2y - y^3 y^3 - 2y + 1 = 0 (y - 1)(y^2 + y - 1) = 0 y = 1, -1/2 ± sqrt(5)/2 y = sqrt(x), so y >= 0. y = 1 -> x = 1 1/(2-1) = 1/1 = 1 = sqrt(1) y = -1/2 + sqrt(5)/2 5 > 1 sqrt(5) > 1 sqrt(5)/2 > 1/2 -1/2 + sqrt(5)/2 > 0 OK to use this value of y x = 3/2 - sqrt(5)/2 1/(2 - (3/2 - sqrt(5)/2)) = sqrt(3/2 - sqrt(5)/2) 2/(4 - 3 + sqrt(5)) = -1/2 + sqrt(5)/2 2/(1 + sqrt(5)) = -1/2 + sqrt(5)/2 2(sqrt(5) - 1)/(5 - 1) = -1/2 + sqrt(5)/2 sqrt(5)/2 - 1/2 = -1/2 + sqrt(5)/2 y = -1/2 - sqrt(5)/2 Obviously less than 0 so discard this solution
@benpotito
@benpotito Ай бұрын
I did the same way
@BossDropbear
@BossDropbear 24 күн бұрын
Interestingly one of the solutions to y is the golden mean (sqrt(5)-1)/2 approx 0.618. Hence one solution for x is this squared, 0.382=1-0.618.
@thisisanotherplaceholder
@thisisanotherplaceholder Ай бұрын
truly a golden answer. worth 79 points, so perfect like an aurora borealis
@errorathon
@errorathon Ай бұрын
truly (Golden ratio)² moment
@clarfonthey
@clarfonthey Ай бұрын
I like these challenging problems, since even though I'm far past precalc, I tend to forget that I can solve problems like this. Good job!
@HaronLua69
@HaronLua69 Ай бұрын
Them: [3 - sqrt(5)] / 2 Me: 2 - phi
@echuidor
@echuidor Ай бұрын
Me: phi^2 - 2*phi +1
@steveodonnell3030
@steveodonnell3030 Ай бұрын
Nice I posted the same solution after you did. Foiled again.
@cmorris7104
@cmorris7104 Ай бұрын
Could be wrong but I believe x = (3 + sqrt(5))/2 is also a solution IF you think of the square root as always having a positive and negative result (e.g. sqrt(4) = 2 but also -2). But I guess it depends on context and the exact rules are a bit confusing to me
@cmorris7104
@cmorris7104 Ай бұрын
If you graph y = 1/(2 - x) and y^2 = x you’ll see what I mean
@K42U
@K42U Ай бұрын
I think he had a short video a year ago clarifying the confusion about the sqrt. √(x) will always have a positive result - the principal root. x^2 - A = 0 will always have two roots, as both pos. and neg. roots make the equation true. PS: I tried typing the equation in Wolfram Alpha and in my scientific a calculator app. Both gave the same roots. I also tried typing sqrt(x) = -4 in WA, it says "no solution".
@acters124
@acters124 Ай бұрын
This is true because the equation on the right with sqrt of x should be in |sqrt(x)| if we want to invalidate the negative values. I believe there is a problem with current way people calculate square roots as they do have two answers. using absolute symbols is necessary because we need one answer. though because of how square roots work you are correct. however every calculator even graphing ones only display the positive values. I think we have a big problem with properly handling this as a math community. though I feel like the way we handle this as of right now is how you notice the way we handle it for the quadratic formula. we intentionally have to use the ± symbol to signify using both possible answers from the square root. which I find silly that we need to make this distinction for this specific case instead of other cases where you can have two answers.
@stupidteous
@stupidteous Ай бұрын
for sqrt to be a function it is defined to limit the range to x>=0, it only returns 0 or positive numbers. if not it wouldnt be a function. same with inverse trig functions.
@K42U
@K42U Ай бұрын
Yeah. Otherwise, it wouldN'T be a *function* at all. It'd be a RELATION instead. In fact, y^2 = x is a RELATION, not a function. The defining feature of a function is that every X value should map to only one Y value.
@milos_radovanovic
@milos_radovanovic Ай бұрын
Why is this tricky: 5:35? Because the squaring step is unnecessary and confuses the sign of the third (extraneous) solution. Substitute t=sqrt(x), solve as a cubic and select solution for t>0: t^3-2t+1=0 /(t-1): x1=1 -> t^2+t-1=0 /(t>0) -> t=(-1+sqrt(5))/2 -> x2=t^2=1/4+5/4-sqrt(5)/2 =(3-sqrt(5))/2
@kath2oo4
@kath2oo4 Ай бұрын
I just squared, multiplied, and got a cubic equation. then I did synthetic division to pull out the factor (x-1) and did the quadratic formula. then I made sure that the answers I got plugging back into the original equation fit the domain. ie: 1 works, (3-√5)/2 works, but (3+√5)/2 does not as when plugging into 1/(2-x) you get a negative number, and the sqrt function cannot give you a negative number as an output. also now looking at the video that's apparently what you did, lol, happy I did it well!
@ASChambers
@ASChambers Ай бұрын
Another great video. It really demonstrates how some answers can just jump out at out and others might be a bit more sneaky. It’s always worth checking that a possible answer actually works ❤
@fjccommish
@fjccommish Ай бұрын
Answers don't jump out. x=1 is found using the rational roots theorem.
@Geb83
@Geb83 12 күн бұрын
I squared both sides first, then cross multiplied and subtracted everything over to the right side to get x^3-4x^2+4x-1. Grouping didn't work, so I split into two parts factorable separately, x^3-1 and -4x^2+4 (note they both have factors of x-1). Once I subtracted one of the parts over I got x^3=4x^2-4x. The left factors into (x-1)(x^2+x+1) and the right factors into 4x(x-1). I divide both sides by (x-1) and get 4x=x^2-3x+1. I completed the square for the last two answers and checked it to eliminate the negative one.
@Silvar55x
@Silvar55x Ай бұрын
I didn't square in the beginning (as in 0:43). Then later on it was more obvious that the negative result for √x was fake and needed to be discarded. x√x - 2√x + 1 = 0 (√x)³ - 2√x + 1 = 0 (a cubic in terms of √x) Observing that x = 1 √x = 1 is a root, did long division to factor out (√x - 1) and got (√x - 1) [(√x)² + √x - 1] = 0 √x - 1 = 0 √x = 1 x = 1 √x = (-1 ± √(1² - 4 · 1 · 1)) / (2·1) = (-1±√5)/2 Discard √x = (-1-√5)/2 < 0 Left with √x = (-1+√5)/2 x = (-1+√5)²/2² = (3 - √5)/2
@storieswithfarouk6739
@storieswithfarouk6739 Ай бұрын
I also used the approach that because 1works we can do synthetic decision to factories. But it always makes me wonder if there's a way to do it if it isn't clear that a certain number works
@Mutualititve
@Mutualititve Ай бұрын
This is a good reminder to always do the conditions for each problems first.
@limeee8775
@limeee8775 17 күн бұрын
really cool question, i had a lot of fun with it!!
@igorfiuza887
@igorfiuza887 Ай бұрын
I thought of subtracting both sides by 1, then on the left there would be (x - 1) and on the right √x - 1. But x - 1 = (√x - 1)(√x + 1), so you have √x - 1 on both sides and can say that x = 1 is a solution. When you divide by √x - 1 for x ≠ 1, you’ll have (√x + 1)/(2 - x) = 1 For x ≠ 2, say y = √x y + 1 = 2 - y² y² + y - 1 = 0 Then you have the other two solutions
@mrswoopie1206
@mrswoopie1206 Ай бұрын
1/2-x = sqrt(x) 1 = 2sqrt(x)-x (Multiplied 2-x on second side to get rid off fraction) Let's add a new value t, where sqrt(x) = t, t>0 1= 2t-t^2 t^2-2t+1=0 Using modernized Vieta theorem (cuz discriminant is too long to calculate) t=1 So x=1
@Ensign_Cthulhu
@Ensign_Cthulhu Ай бұрын
I think it's worth explaining in detail why sqrt(x) is always positive whereas y=x^2 yields both positive and negative answers.
@fizisistguy
@fizisistguy 2 күн бұрын
Isn't there a better way to solve cubics than just guessing the first number?
@randerson4009
@randerson4009 Ай бұрын
If you add the negative square root of x to your graph you can nicely show the extraneous solution at the intersection.
@tony_kara
@tony_kara Ай бұрын
X³-4x²+4x-1 could be factored very easily you do this: (x-1)(x²+x+1)-4x(x-1)=0 Then you take (x-1) as a factor (x-1)(x²-3x+1)=0 so either x-1=0 or x²-3x+1=0 so x=1 or after quadratic formula x=(3+-✓5)/2
@ProactiveYellow
@ProactiveYellow Ай бұрын
Given that the LHS involves division, we know that 2-x≠0, that is, x≠2. Given that the RHS is always non-negative, we know that 2-x≥0, that is, 2≥x. Combine these facts to get the restriction x½(3+2)=5/2>2, so we can reject tha larger solution, giving us solutions of x=(3-√5)/2, 1
@sly-ryder-dietz
@sly-ryder-dietz Ай бұрын
It's somewhat mentioned in the comments, but the 3rd answer is the solution to 1/(2-x) = -sqrt(x)
@DonRedmond-jk6hj
@DonRedmond-jk6hj Ай бұрын
Could just leave as is and consider as cubic in sqr(x). It's a little to figure out who/re really the correct roots.
@peterbrockway5990
@peterbrockway5990 29 күн бұрын
Even after seeing this sort of problem people often get stuck on _why_ an apparent solution should be discarded. If it's not a solution, how come we found it? As noted by people already it's the "squaring both sides" that is a trap for young players. It is a legitimate move in that numbers that make the first line true are guaranteed to make the second line true. But it does *not* work the other way around. There is no guarantee that the three numbers that make the second line true will also make the first line true. It seems to me me that students get sold the idea that a chain of "doing the same thing to both sides of an equation" leads to a line like x= which is the solution(s). Rather they should get a sense of when such moves are "safe" and discover what property of an operation should tingle their mathematical spider-sense.
@jmich7
@jmich7 Ай бұрын
I would start stating that x cannot be equal to 2. I love all your videos anyway, no matter what. Also, it is so interesting! Because we could think there is a hidden root! Which is not the case apparently since, originally, we do not have a third degree equation.
@mazenzidieh
@mazenzidieh Ай бұрын
very nice! thanks
@mariusherghelegiu6241
@mariusherghelegiu6241 22 күн бұрын
first state that x in R. Then one should from the beginning note that x >=0 and 2-x>0. Results in x in [0;2) ... restrict the definition domain first ...
@martinphipps2
@martinphipps2 Ай бұрын
1/(2-x) = sqrtx so 1/(4-4x+x^2)=x so x^3-4x^2+4x-1=0 x=1 is a solution. x^3-x^2-3x^2+3x+x-1=0 so (x-1)(x^2-3x+1)=0 so x=1 or x = (3+-sqrt5)/2
@allenporter6586
@allenporter6586 25 күн бұрын
x=1 by inspection 1/(2-1)=1 and square root of 1 = 1, this doesn't help you solve this class of problems, but this particular one can be solved by inspection.
@richardslater677
@richardslater677 Ай бұрын
Question please. I was surprised to learn recently that the square root of, say, 4 when written inside the square root radical, only outputs the positive value, ie 2 and not -2. You use this fact in this video. My question is, if I asked someone, verbally, without writing anything down, “what is the square root of 4”, is the answer “2” or is “2 and -2”. I know that x^2=4 gives both values for x but what if asked the other way round? Thanks.
@Engy_Wuck
@Engy_Wuck Ай бұрын
The square root of any *number* is positive. By definition. But for x²=4 you don't ask for the square root. You ask "which number(s), when squared, give the result 4". That's a completely different question - one that can be solved by a square root, but only up to the abolute value of x (essentially: the distance from 0), because both +2 and -2 satisfy that question. Therefore the "real" result of taking the square root on both sides of x²=4 would be |x| = 2. Since we don't like to have those "absolute value" sgns to calculate with further we then add the additional knowledge that in ℝ the only possible values for the distance from 0 are in the positive and negative direction, therefore |x|=±x, and here therefore x²=4 --> |x|=2 --> ±x=2 --> x=±2 Now we are lazy and only write x²=4 --> x=±2 But it's not the 4 that makes the ±, it's the x². Btw: That absolute value is the reason you have to check your answers after squaring - you remove the sign of that thing squared, therefore always get two possibles back even when only one existed before squaring.
@richardslater677
@richardslater677 Ай бұрын
@ Most kind of you to take the trouble to explain it. Thank you.
@magattbeats
@magattbeats Ай бұрын
That’s why my teacher always tells me to know the condition of existence, where solution can be. In this example, the condition of existence is x≠2 and x>=0
@ZiRR0
@ZiRR0 Ай бұрын
the denominator is phi if you plug-in (3 + sqrt(5)) / 2?
@ZiRR0
@ZiRR0 Ай бұрын
and the negative reciprocal if it's - right
@itsphoenixingtime
@itsphoenixingtime Ай бұрын
Alternatively.... Let sqrt(x) = u 1/2-u^2 = u 1 = u(2-u^2) 1 = 2u - u^3 u^3 - 2u + 1 = 0 u^3 - u^2 + u^2 - 2u + 1 = 0 u^2(u-1) + (u-1)^2 = 0 (u-1) (u^2 + u - 1) = 0 u = 1 or u = -1+sqrt(5)/2 or u = -1-sqrt(5)/2 Since u = sqrt(x), exclude the last solution as sqrt(x) need to be > 0 sqrt(x) = x , x = 1 -1+sqrt(5)/2 = x, x = 3 - sqrt(5)/2 These are the only 2 solutions and you don't even need to square both sides
@shannonmcdonald7584
@shannonmcdonald7584 Ай бұрын
Fairly easy until the end. Question: in polynomial long division I get remainders allot. I never know what to do with the equation after that.
@mikseryasta6369
@mikseryasta6369 Ай бұрын
when i have to write (√x)^ 2 as abs value of x, and when can i write that sqrt and power cancels?
@saer6596
@saer6596 Ай бұрын
As the square root is defined only for non negative numbers and its result is also non negative, (sqrt(x))^2 is just x as is understood that x must be non negative, of course there is nothing wrong in writing |x| but it would be redundant But sqrt(x^2) is |x| for the reason exposed above and because we want sqrt to be a well defined function Note that there is a big difference between the root square of a number p, and the solutions to the equation x^2-p=0 Hope it clarifies your question
@delent-team
@delent-team Ай бұрын
Very interesting
@Akjjf6628
@Akjjf6628 Ай бұрын
Here's my attempt at it before watching the video: 1/(2-x) = sqrt(x) Multiply both sides by 2-x 1 = sqrt(x)*(2-x) 1 = sqrt(x)*2 - sqrt(x)*x x = sqrt(x)*sqrt(x) Sub in sqrt(x)*sqrt(x) for x x*sqrt(x) = (sqrt(x)*sqrt(x))*sqrt(x) = (sqrt(x))^3 So now we have 1 = 2*sqrt(x) - sqrt(x)^3 Let y = sqrt(x) 1 = 2y - y^3 y^3 - 2y + 1 = 0 By inspection y = 1 is a solution Therefore by factor theorem (y-1) is a factor Polynomial division y^3 - 2y + 1 = 0 ÷ y-1 = y^2 + y - 1 (can't show steps here) Quadratic formula y = (-1 +- sqrt(1-4*1*-1))/(2) y = (-1 +- sqrt(5))/2 But y >= 0 as y = sqrt(x), so -1-sqrt(5)/2 isn't a solution since it's negative If y = sqrt(x) then x = y^2 So sub in for y to find x values: When y = 1, x = (1)^2, x = 1 When y = (-1 + sqrt(5))/2: x = ((-1)^2 + 2(-1)(sqrt(5)) + (sqrt(5))^2)/(2^2) x = (1 - 2*sqrt(5) + 5)/4 x = (6 - 2*sqrt(5))/4 x = (3 - sqrt(5))/2
@Akjjf6628
@Akjjf6628 Ай бұрын
So it turns out I overcomplicated things with y = sqrt(x) in the middle instead of at the start😅tbh I don't even know why I didn't bother to think of doing that at the start...i mean at least i got the right answer
@jamesharmon4994
@jamesharmon4994 Ай бұрын
I saw the earlier video 😊
@shivx3295
@shivx3295 Ай бұрын
Pretty easy 😀
@ronaldking1054
@ronaldking1054 Ай бұрын
Old school rational solution: 1/(2-x) = (x)^(1/2), 0
@steveodonnell3030
@steveodonnell3030 Ай бұрын
(3 - sqrt(5))/2 is equal to 2 - φ φ is everywhere!
@mikeoxsor6183
@mikeoxsor6183 Ай бұрын
hi i do not understand why the square root function cannot ouput a negative number in this case, i know about principle square root but we are solving for x here so why can't you use the other solution
@gerryiles3925
@gerryiles3925 Ай бұрын
Because the square root "function" only outputs non-negative values by definition, because a "function" can only output a single value for any particular input value...
@trueriver1950
@trueriver1950 Ай бұрын
Sounds like you don't understand the definitions of a function and therefore of of the sqrt sign. By definition sqrt always provides the positive. If it was capable of providing more than one answer it would not be a function, by the definition of a function. That is why sqrt(x) is not the same as x^0.5. x^0.5 emits two answers, and therefore is not a function: mathematicians call it a relation. That is also why bprp made a point of emphasizing that each side of the original equation is a function, making sure students know the exact mathematical meanings of the technical words.
@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar
@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar Ай бұрын
@@mikeoxsor6183 the reason is it would not be a function as it would be a “horizontal parabola” along positive x axis. Does not pass vertical line test for functions You would have to content yourself with statements like sqrt(9) = +/- 3
@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar
@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar Ай бұрын
@@trueriver1950 speaking of meanings of technical words, please share the technical meaning of “emit”
@janmesh2332
@janmesh2332 Ай бұрын
Because of the way the question is framed x must belong to [0, 2) 1/(2-x) = sqrt(x) Square both sides 1/(2-x)^2 = mod(x) The first info was imp because otherwise it would be a pain to solve with mod here. Since x belongs to [0, 2) 1/(2-x)^2 = x Solving further x^3 - 4x^2 + 4x - 1 = 0 Solving this equation x = 1 and x = [3 +- sqrt(5)] / 2 But x = [3 + sqrt(5)] / 2 ~= 2.11 which is >2 So, the only solutions are x = 1 and x = [3 - sqrt(5)] / 2
@Bluequartzjuega
@Bluequartzjuega 16 күн бұрын
It gave me X=0,5 Because: 1/2-X= sqrt X 1/2= sqrt 2X 0,5^2= 2X 0,25•2= X 0,5= X As A 8 grade dumb student I though this
@davidmilhouscarter8198
@davidmilhouscarter8198 28 күн бұрын
1:55 Well, Chat GPT took extra steps but got it right thus far.
@joeschmo622
@joeschmo622 Ай бұрын
How does The Cat figure into the video? I was looking for him the whole time.
@CalculusIsFun1
@CalculusIsFun1 Ай бұрын
(1/(2-x))^2 = x 1/x = x^2 - 4x + 4 x^3 - 4x^2 + 4x - 1 = 0 Notice, x = 1 is a solution. (x^3 - 4x^2 + 4x - 1)/(x-1) = x^2 - 3x + 1 the roots of the quadratic are 3/2 +- root(5)/2 Of those two solutions, 3/2 + root(5)/2 is greater than 2 and will thus result in a negative in the denominator of the 1/(2-x) which is not possible in the real for a square root to have negative. This means the only two real solutions are x = 1 and x = (3/2) - (root(5)/2)
@idkanaccountname
@idkanaccountname Ай бұрын
I did this one in my sleep..when I was 4 years old..without even trying
@ZaraThustra-w2n
@ZaraThustra-w2n 24 күн бұрын
My precalculus students cannot even add fractions. American education is....nominal.
@vicar86
@vicar86 Ай бұрын
Always investigate the domain at the beginning.
@troubledouble106
@troubledouble106 Ай бұрын
I just put x=1 into the equation in my head and got the answer.
@Bxvxnce
@Bxvxnce Ай бұрын
Famous last words, "I forgot to check for extraneous roots 😔"
@cyruschang1904
@cyruschang1904 Ай бұрын
1/(2 - x) = ✓x 1 = x(x^2 - 4x + 4) x^3 - 4x^2 + 4x - 1 = 0 (x - 1)(x^2 - 3x + 1) = 0 x = 1, (3 - ✓5)/2 x cannot be (3 + ✓5)/2
@ChavoMysterio
@ChavoMysterio Ай бұрын
[1/(2-x)]=√x Domain: 00 -x>-2 x
@vanessakitty8867
@vanessakitty8867 Ай бұрын
Nice one.
@nikolakosanovic9931
@nikolakosanovic9931 Ай бұрын
Or you can check both solutions and see if they work
@redrokee1082
@redrokee1082 Ай бұрын
Very fun
@NH_RSA__
@NH_RSA__ Ай бұрын
Solutions restricted to real numbers?
@trueriver1950
@trueriver1950 Ай бұрын
For precalculus students, that sounds right to me. Or maybe schools in your country introduce complex numbers before calculus???
@NH_RSA__
@NH_RSA__ Ай бұрын
@trueriver1950 I don't quite remember which course introduced imaginary numbers. It may have been an EE course or precalc. But that was in '78 so not sure.
@m.h.6470
@m.h.6470 Ай бұрын
Solution: First: x ≠ 2 Second: Substitute √x with y 1/(2 - y²) = y |*(2-y) 1 = y(2 - y²) → y = 1 is an obvious solution -y³ + 2y = 1 |*-1 +1 y³ + 0y² - 2y + 1 = 0 Polyn. division by (y - 1) y² + y - 1 = 0 y = (-1 ± √5)/2 → since y = √x, y can not be negative therefore only y = (-1 + √5)/2 is valid As such, we can calculate the x value as: √x = y |² x = y² x₁ = 1² = 1 x₂ = ((-1 + √5)/2)² ≅ 0.382
@fjccommish
@fjccommish Ай бұрын
I can out math him with my paper and pencil and equations tied behind my back, and without the schtick of holding a mic.
@nightmare.9652
@nightmare.9652 Ай бұрын
Am I getting good or this is easy?
26 күн бұрын
How is this hard ?
@xytean
@xytean Ай бұрын
i tried to resolve it without using any formula and i got this: 1/(2-x) = sqrt x (1/2-x)² = x 1²/(2-x)² = x 1/2² - 2*2*x + x² = x 1/4 - 4x + x² = x 1 = x * (4 - 4x + x²) 1 = 4x - 4x² + x³ 1/4 = x - 4x² + x³ sqrt((1/4)/-4)² = x - x + x³ sqrt(-4/16)² = x³ sqrt(-1/4)² = x³ -1/4 = x³ cbrt(-1/4) = x cbrt(-1) / cbrt 4 = x okk maybe im stupid... i've just noticed that this gives me a complex number 😭 UPDATE - 2 MINUTES HAVE BEEN PASSED AND IVE NOTICED AN ERROR, LET ME RETAKE THIS FROM BEFORE THE MISTAKE. 1/(2-x) = sqrt x (1/2-x)² = x 1²/(2-x)² = x 1/2² - 2*2*x + x² = x 1/4 - 4x + x² = x 1 = x * (4 - 4x + x²) 1 = 4x - 4x² + x³ 1/4 = x - 4x² + x³ sqrt((1/4)/-4)² = x - x + x³ sqrt(-4/16)² = x³ sqrt(-1/4)² = x³ (here i shouldnt cancel the sqrt with that power of two) sqrt(1/16) = x³ sqrt 1 / sqrt 16 = x³ cbrt 1/4 = x cbrt 1 / cbrt 4 = x (here im gonna rationalizate this denominator) 1 / cbrt 4 * cbrt 4²/cbrt 4² = x cbrt 4² /4 = x
@felixbrandt6419
@felixbrandt6419 Ай бұрын
What if you couldn't have guessed the first solution x=1?
@Khusbuhasrat
@Khusbuhasrat 17 күн бұрын
Hello sir.... Pls mention... X is real nmbr or integers or natural nmbrs?
@johnbirkenhauer4061
@johnbirkenhauer4061 23 күн бұрын
I hate thr fact that I watched this and understood it. I am too old for this torture.
@goofysigmainohio
@goofysigmainohio 17 күн бұрын
(rootx)^2=(1/2-x)^2 sigma 🗿
@GianMichelAbreuDelgado
@GianMichelAbreuDelgado Ай бұрын
I failed one root
@SteelBB9
@SteelBB9 13 күн бұрын
i just plugged my answers back in to check and gg
@SteelBB9
@SteelBB9 13 күн бұрын
i havent watched yet though so my answers were x=1, (3-sqrt(5))/2 its funny cause its almost the golden ratio
@BestCosmologist
@BestCosmologist Ай бұрын
Call me crazy, but x=(1/(2-x))^2 is the most useful expression.
@samukaze5810
@samukaze5810 Ай бұрын
After 15 minutes of solving, x=1 🤦
@NotGleSki
@NotGleSki Ай бұрын
How dare you disrespect my complex roots
@lpi3
@lpi3 Ай бұрын
Show me
@JayTemple
@JayTemple Ай бұрын
Showing that (3 + sqrt(5))/2 didn't work was simple because the rational side was negative. The most tedious part of this was showing that (3 - sqrt(5))/2 is a valid solution, which you didn't do.
@Warcraft_Traveler
@Warcraft_Traveler Ай бұрын
Tedious ? 3÷2 is 1.5 so if you substract sqrt of whatever positive real number from 3, there is no way you can end up with 2-(3-sqrt of whatever)/2 being negative.
@Engy_Wuck
@Engy_Wuck Ай бұрын
for (3-√5)/2 to be less than 0 the top would have to be less than zero, but √55, so √9>√5 and therefore 3-√5 is bigger than zero, too. To be complete you'd also have to show that it's not equal to 2, because that would make the denominator zero, but... 😛
@jamesharmon4994
@jamesharmon4994 Ай бұрын
He did approximate sqrt(5) in the video. Using that info proves 2 - ((3-sqrt(5)) / 2 is positive
@bobross7473
@bobross7473 Ай бұрын
I have a feeling when you end up with two square root answers like that one of them will be extraneous and the other will be valid, but I don’t know how to prove that this is always the case
@JayTemple
@JayTemple Ай бұрын
@@Warcraft_Traveler I wasn't satisfied with it not being negative. I actually showed that it satisfied the equation.
@nightgame2365
@nightgame2365 Ай бұрын
Since we have the root of x the answer it can be - or + so we have three answers Unless the equation is talking about the positive root of x
@Phantom-he4pz
@Phantom-he4pz Ай бұрын
interesting how when you have an equation like: y=√x you would square both sides y²=x but then when you revert back y=±√x thanks to this video, I've learned to be careful around square roots next time 😌
@christianfunintuscany1147
@christianfunintuscany1147 18 күн бұрын
this type of equations stil kill lots of high school studets … not your followers!
@fjccommish
@fjccommish Ай бұрын
Hells to the naw naw. Put down the mic bad math man. You don't just "notice" that 1 is a root. You use the rational roots theorem to determine that +/1 factors of the constant / +/- factors of the leading coefficient are possible roots. That's +/- 1.
@holyshit922
@holyshit922 Ай бұрын
x = 1 , but is it the only one solution
@yassineomri8173
@yassineomri8173 Ай бұрын
No( 3-√5)/3 is also a solution
@dantallman5345
@dantallman5345 20 күн бұрын
Cool problem. I substituted a=sqrtx but still had to solve a cubic so it gained me very little. Solve (a-1)(a^2-2a+1) and then convert back to x, ie x=a^2. I got a= 1, (1+sqt 5)/2 and (1-sqrt5/2). Golden ratio..woohoo. Squaring a to get x=1, (3+sqt(5))/2 and (3-sqrt(5))/2. That was the scenic route. 😂
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