A Civilization 3 Retrospective In 2024 | Prepare For Civ 7

[@GamerZakh]

I maintain that this is the 'hardest' Civ game, mainly because of grind. Get Civ 3 on GOG using this referral link to support: af.gog.com/en/game/sid_meiers_civilization_iii_complete?as=1715648857 If you want it widescreen and to fix the audio glitch here's my guide: kzbin.info/www/bejne/laHWmmOCrdSbaKc

[@illegalsmirf]

Not a chance. Civ2 was far, far worse for grind and tedium than Civ3.

[@GamerZakh]

@@illegalsmirf I just finished playing Civ 2, I feel the grind was way worse here. This is my Civ 2 run from a couple weeks ago for reference: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJiyeYOtg5Kpic0

[@BIGJATPSU]

@GamerZakh, "I picked Pangaea! Why am I on an island? I didn't want an island, I picked Pangaea! I'm starting over." 😂😂 Rafiki, help me out here, "Correction. Pangaea WAS an island." 😉😉 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@GamerZakh]

​@@BIGJATPSUHaha yes but Pangea was the only island is the point.

[@tolnaijani]

man... the amount of time i spent with civ3 it was my first entry into the franchise

[@ykrupertbob]

I think you made me wake up my neighbors with how hard I laughed at that restart. Loved civ3, mostly because it's what was there.

[@GamerZakh]

@@ykrupertbob I wanted a nice straightforward game but fate thought otherwise.

[@stellarconcealment]

I played Civ 2 the most as a kid, but something about Civ 3's music was so chill.

[@johnblue5686]

civ2 on psx was great

[@duskfall_777]

Back in the early 00s when gaming magazines were still around, I saw a review of Civ3 (nearly perfect score) and that was my introduction to the series. I spent so many hours in this game, even though I always played on easy and didn't know what I was doing. So this game has a special place in my heart. Later on I watched one of my friends play civ2 on the playstation (of all things lol) and that was cool too, but civ3 is my jam. The instruction manual was like a real book. Oh anyone remembers those? I miss gaming manuals.

[@glenndiddy]

Starting on an island on a pangea map is just what makes civ 3 great

[@WhiteGandalfs]

Analyze, Adapt, Advance! If on an island, prioritize ship making over all other technology in the beginning and conquer the world by ship faster and further than any other nation! Yes: Civilization is about optimization from strategic down to atomic working unit level.

[@bilbo1778]

Civ 3 might have been my 1st experience of firing up the game at 10PM on a school night and then suddenly realizing it's 5AM and I have an exam in 3 hours - JUST ONE MORE TURN.

[@GamerZakh]

That's definitely happened to me a few times over the years too.

[@Chudsmash777]

My dad still plays this civ exclusively

[@acmjgg427]

literally mine too!

[@manDdia]

@@acmjgg427 Are you both my sons?

[@drakan5468]

Son, is that you?

[@tomalexander4327]

Dad...?

[@ray4142]

All 3s are good. Tropico 3, Caesar 3 and Civ 3.

[@estebanjvidal]

Right, and there many more, like Heroes of Might and magic 3, Age of wonders 3, etc. Usually its good if a strategy series had been succesful enough to have a 3rd iteration... but there are some really terrible exceptions.... (im thinking of you...Master of Orion 3 😑)

[@ray4142]

And Settlers 3. Stronghold Crusader was great, but Stronghold 3 wasn't the best.

[@1q34w]

​@@estebanjvidalwarcraft 3, doom 3,quake 3,

[@Kasrkin2205]

Started with CIV 2 on the Playstation, had to use an entire memory card for it, played it on PC and never looked back, got CIV III when I first went out in the local town with friends, and spent the best part of my afterschool evenings playing this game and melting my PC, just one more turn, this video has brought back some memories :)

[@ravenroc1784]

I hope more people find your channel. I really enjoy your content and how you present it, very enjoyable! My fav is still Civ IV. Leonard Nimoy need I say more? Awesome stuff!

[@GamerZakh]

Thank you! That's very kind of you to say. Civ 4 is pretty iconic, the main menu alone made me pause when I first loaded it up.

[@jaynoyes8526]

Civ3 will always be my favorite. I still play it regularly

[@tan_padeusz]

the music... the music is etched in my brain...

[@nickm2890]

Now *this* gave me some serious nostalgia, man. I've beat the hell out of Civ IV, V, and VI as a young adult. But when I was a kid, I played months and months of Civ III. I can remember the smell of my dad's old office, the click-clack of the ancient keyboard, the hum of the monitor, and getting in trouble for sneaking koolaid from the fridge, cuz mom was downstairs doing laundry. Yep, sold. I'll grab it and play it through again.

[@matcauthon4911]

If you want a quick game , try Sid difficulty . I did that once and got wiped out by a tank invasion on about turn 80 . Loved Civ III

[@JustMe-iw3ev]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who would restart when the game generation process failed me lol

[@babybornas1]

Played a lot of the gog's version, love how it works out of the box on all my PC's / laptops and how easy it is to just download and start playing wherever I am, especially when resting after work on some business trips :D

[@Robbedem]

It's actually better to have your cities overlap one or two squares. By the time the city is large enough for it to matter, you're in the late game anyway. And the benefit for having more cities and the other players not being able to put cities between yours lasts for much longer.

[@Legamis]

I loved civ 3 so much and most often I picked French or German. To me they were the best for what I wanted anyway. I loved how the discovery of resources really made you want to fight for them. 😁

[@cecarter10]

I remember going to the local grocery store when they had magazine racks and seeing civilization 3 in one of them(I was a huge fan of civ2) and I begged my grandma to buy me civ3 for months and she finally did and I never left my pc as I stayed up for days playing it. One of my favorite games of all time.

[@wulf_ace]

interesting, last night I installed civ 3 and played it and now I see this on youtube... Civ 3 is still for me the best Civ game

[@zoiuduu]

why ? i like civ 2 more, lets debate

[@wulf_ace]

@@zoiuduu Civ 2 is not bad

[@zoiuduu]

@@wulf_ace thats not really a debate :) , i like the border lines in civ 3

[@PointyHairedJedi]

Still my favourite, somehow. Greeks were always my favourite for starting off because their Hoplites are good for so long.

[@mdkramster]

"Civ 3 is difficult." I wonder if this will spark the Dark Souls crew to pop over and start spouting "git gud" at you.

[@GamerZakh]

Haha well I'd agree that I'd have to git gud. My only issue is that a lot of the difficulty isn't actually things being hard, just there's so much that's tedious and the overwhelming number of things that are tedious makes me very tired, which makes not hard things into hard things.

[@hairharbor5080]

@@GamerZakh A lot of the tedious things you complain about are avoidable. You can auto sort the worked city tiles by clicking on the city square in the city menu. And if you don't want to do that for each city you can just adjust the happiness slider which is underneath the science slider in the Domestic advisor menu. Also if you had just researched Iron Working earlier you would have seen the Iron and been able to settle there before the enemy. Plus if you don't like the anarchy caused by government change you can pick a religious civ to play as because they only have one turn of anarchy.

[@TheEmpireDabsBack]

I originally played Civ 2 but was so young I couldn't comprehend what to do. However, when Civ 3 came out I can't believe how much time I sunk into it. I tried 4 and 5 after but neither held me the way 3 did. Plus the soundtrack is sooo good and absolutely burned into my brain. Stars_Full iykyk.

[@erez87xp]

once a city passes size 6 walls dont help it, and the bigger the city the bigger the defensive bonus it gives..

[@erez87xp]

Btw i think that’s nice sized island you got at the beginning was awesome lol. I would so play that

[@ambeegaming76]

The was the first Civ game I ever bought, I'd always run into the glitch late game where all my tiles looked like they were covered in oil slicks or something haha I SUCKED at this game tho still loved it xD

[@LandBark]

CIV3, after playing a lot of CIV2 back in the day I eagerly anticipated the next game. Got so disappointed that I didn't played CIVs at all and was suspicious of CIV4. Much later I regained my passion for the series and CIV5 became my favourite. But number 3 of this series really is something else.

[@hairharbor5080]

Civ III is far and away my favorite. IV and V had some interesting stuff but were never as fun. They lacked the sense of scale as well as the joy in warmongering.

[@hairharbor5080]

you can auto sort the city worked tiles by clicking the city square itself while in the city menu. Also if you don't want to have to do that in each city you can just adjust the happiness slider which is right below your science slider on the Domestic Advisor menu.

[@GamerZakh]

But adjusting the luxury tax rate is very wasteful unless all your cities are unhappy.

[@Corva7]

Man, how I miss slowly building my palace (and see how it advances on aerial view)

[@johnbalkon8521]

Eagerly awaiting your Cib 4 retrospective!

[@mbdragon1234]

One thing I seem to never see in battles is: Physical Obstruction: Dead bodies on the battlefield could create physical obstacles, making it difficult for soldiers to move around, especially in close combat situations1. Psychological Impact: The sight and smell of dead bodies could have a significant psychological impact on soldiers, potentially lowering morale and causing distress2. Health Hazards: Decomposing bodies could pose health risks, spreading diseases among the troops2. Tactical Considerations: Commanders had to consider the placement of bodies when planning movements and strategies, as large numbers of corpses could affect the terrain and visibility

[@thomaskusar5816]

i always made sure i started a temple in every city, made my borders grow and more stable

[@Rhein360]

This is was my first Civ!! :)

[@insignificantgnat9334]

"Barbarians are just annoying in these games really." Unless you play as the Mayans, in which case they become a source of free labor courtesy of the Mayan unique unit.

[@junker154]

Great video, Civ3 was my first contact with the franchise when I was a kid. I always enjoyed the visuals and it had me hooked. I disagree that it has a comic look, the advisors do but the game seems very down to earth in terms of aesthetics.

[@ivantumanov1015]

There's like an option to either automatically create a entertainer or at least notify the player that a city is about to revolt. That way you can skip the wasted turn.

[@KingOskar4]

6:28 that is an interesting point of view😊😮 I never thought that Hex tiles don't allow you to move directly up, or directly down.

[@GamerZakh]

Yeah the argument against hex tiles is it actually removes 2 directions, so it's technically a simplification on that point. I don't know which tile shape is most complex overall though, a lot of things come into play and there's probably many good reasons why so many games have gone for hexes.

[@estebanjvidal]

@@GamerZakh In fact, I would say that square tiles, in practice, removes useful options, since the diagonals counts as movement in 2 directions. Its arguably always better to move in diagonals or zig-zag instead of just going horizonal or vertical straight line (discarding terrain defense or blockage), specially when exploring. The direction is of course relative depending if playing civ1-4 or isometric civ2-3. I believe hexes were the optimal or balanced way for strategy board games, but early videogames had to use square grids due to technical limitations. But some early wargames in the 90s already been using hex. I think that is why many games made movement costs on diagonal tiles more expensive, but it never was the case in Civilization games, since we already had terrain, and combining both would have been difficult to calculate at broad view.

[@Linuxmusica]

Empecé jugando el civilization call to power 2 (brutal), y luego le siguió el 3, para mi el mejor. Venía tan completo con las expansiones, tiene partidas especiales como la ruta de españa con américa, en la que puedes crear rutas comerciales de oro, jugué esa partida y fue una de las partidas más divertidas que he jugado de todos los civilization. Y luego si querías más sólo tenías que ir a civfanatics y viciarte con increíbles mods de todo tipo. Este juego es un tesoro. Gracias.

[@ewsdneax61eaxe10]

my first Civ and i still love it👍👍👍

[@thesecofull]

nostalgic ost, love it

[@Glibbers]

Great video! Maybe you should do a tier list video when you played all of them, and rate them according to different tiers, like most annoying, best graphics, best mechanics, most innovative etc.

[@tsukuyomisama001]

The worker looked as if he was holding a guitar.

[@GonyOneKannabis]

Hi. I'm 53. And I played all civ games. Love civ3, but civ1 explode my head...what a great idea!!

[@NoxisFlak-Heyhowareya]

Civ 3 was my first civ. Still hooked on the series years later

[@VK_90s]

this civ is king for me!

[@davidromeroblaya7920]

AI using settlers in other Civ: "This will be a good place to build a new city." AI using settlers in Civ III: "WAAAAAAAAGH!!!"

[@GamerZakh]

Seriously it's like if there's just a couple tiles free every AI player beelines a settler there.

[@shannon_kilpatrick]

The Civ 3 Demo got me into the civ series. Never got to play the full game but started with 4

[@FiremansGaming]

09:40 Banger music just like the old itmes

[@user-yg1dg6xm2g]

I don't see how Civ III is 'cartoony' like Civ VI. I think it is more along the lines of Civ VII.

[@T.R.75]

game is my all time favorite. i always come back to it at some point every single year. probably have a 1000 hours in it. no Civ since has given me the joy Civ3 did. new Civs just seem so busy and cluttered compared to Civ3. the ability to mod it and add things was amazing, but just playing it vanilla was more than good enough. the Rise of Rome scenario was my go to in Civ3. also had a huge creator community working on scenarios, art additions, unit additions, gameplay additions. was magical. good vid.

[@Tsinibor]

Can we hope for a Civilization 4 retrospective? It's my favorite.

[@GamerZakh]

Yes I plan to do that.

[@Scottishlandwarrior]

When it was asked the only thing in Civ 3 the only thing i can think of is the Outpost system which is not in any other Civ game which you can build on resources that are out side your borders.

[@queotzcatl3980]

Zack, you need to click on city center and choose contact governor, then adjust auto-happyness for all cities on all continents, this will avoid cities going into revolt... it's not hard...

[@GamerZakh]

I just came from Civ 2, and played some of 3, 4, 5, and 6 recently. I can't even remember what the Pyramids do in this game.

[@kellyfreas]

Desperately looking forward to Civ4 gameplay content by GamerZakh

[@Samski1987]

While i dont think civ 3 had a unique features, it had introduced lots of new features which migrated to next iterations of the series(borders and culture, unit promotions, unit animations, ranged unit mechanics such as artillery, armies, unique traits and units to nations, much improved diplomacy and trade, resources popping up through time, workers got introduced, etc). Civ 3 was very big deal at the time, major leap forward. I would put 1-3 in the same cluster tho, after the 3rd they really started experimenting a lot(not a bad thing)

[@icoborg]

ahahah i remember those frustating starts, a fucking island, or worst in the middle with 5 enemy all around you

[@darkhoshinonz]

Gotta admit Civ3 (as well as 1) are the only Civ games i haven't played. And i played 2 on the Playstation

[@martinlisitsata]

Its been so long ago that i genuinely cant remember was 3 or 4 my introduction to this series

[@GamerZakh]

Yeah they can blur together a bit. I keep thinking some mechanics from other Civ games are in the one I'm playing.

[@hairharbor5080]

A lot of the stuff he complains about as frustrating are actually pretty avoidable if he just knew the basics of the game.

[@GamerZakh]

You should be specific, there may be reasons why I didn't do them. I did finish a whole game as I show at the end of the video.

[@mamt0m]

it feels much less grindy if you disable unit animations, or hide unit movement completely. until the very last few turns, then it usually gets pretty slow anyway. also recommend disabling Statue of Zeus and Knights Templar in the scenario editor, both of those are ridiculously OP and basically break the game (giving 30-40 Ancient Cavalary and Crusaders)

[@mamt0m]

i also usually speedrun the first few turns using auto-explore to make sure you have iron and you're not on an island

[@GamerZakh]

@@mamt0m But also, the nonsense and grind is kind of what the Civ 3 experience was, so I didn't want to change things up too much for this. If I came back for another playthrough, I'd make changes to reduce the grind.

[@kyleomalley5916]

Civ 3 was the first game i ever bought

[@richardholloway6189]

I wrote the original article on spotting settler factories. City spam was indeed a thing.

[@ray4142]

HOMM3 too.

FInally, Civ3! ❤

[@Griexxt]

This is the only civ version I never got into. I bought the CD, installed it on my computer, played for a couple of turns, shut it down, uninstalled, and put the CD on the shelf. I don't remember what appalled me so much about it, but it must have been pretty bad.

[@GamerZakh]

After playing through all the main games again, I can say that even though I like the look of Civ 3 the most, it is the most frustrating and grindy one to play. For example the accelerated production option makes the game just play like normal. By default, things are taking 20-60 turns to build. Not to mention the hyper aggressive AI, city spam and bordergore, and the constant diplomatic rules breaking by the AI which you have to manually deal with constantly while they get auto-enraged if their border expands onto one of your units. Like I show at the end of this video, even an accelerated small game took me 16 hours to win. You wouldn't experience this all just after booting it up but there is a small sense of all these issues from the start which you might've picked up on.

[@cristhianferreyra1563]

Too bad they removed later the option of upgrade the thrones and palaces, it was a nice touch.

[@hairharbor5080]

It was painful watching how you didn't build any workers. You should be building at least one worker for every city you have.

[@GamerZakh]

I build lots of workers in this video and capture plenty too.

[@hairharbor5080]

@@GamerZakh yeah it got better as it went along but your land was still very undeveloped for being that far in the game. Just a tip for you.

[@GamerZakh]

@@hairharbor5080 Thing is the tips I'm getting are just 'build more of everything'. People have told me "build more workers", "build more units", "build more cities", "build more buildings", "build more wonders".

[@zoiuduu]

15:05 that must be some WR on how to lose at civ 3 man :)

[@GamerZakh]

When I said Civ 3 is the hardest the game decided to prove me right.

[@FiremansGaming]

14:59 This is the civ i remember ! Happened to me too in Endless space first explore event pirates besieging system (cant prod anything) game over in 5 turns

[@kkolakowski]

I think you should build more Temples at earlier stages, they give culture and expand borders which might've prevent some of those annoying "cities intrusions" Yeah, I hated that in Civ 3 as well (and in any other Civs to be honest, including 6 as well, maybe there will be some solution for that in 7 🙂)

[@GamerZakh]

In 4 onwards there's a lot of big punishments for settling cities near or in other people's empires. Religious and cultural conversions can be taken advantage of, and cities can just flip from the enemy to you because they're so influenced. You basically give more to your enemy than what you gain from having another city. Technically city flips can happen in Civ 3 but it's almost impossible to do.

[@kkolakowski]

@@GamerZakh Oh yeah definitely, but I watched your stream till the end I realized why I loved Civ 3 so much. Those Sumerians that quickly overwhelmed you with their units, amazing 🤩 It was simply not boring. In Civ 4 (after playing Civ 3 for years) I was bored to death. Terrain was boring and "balanced", AI was not aggressive at all, basically without human incentive, nothing happened. No wars, no territorial exchange, no civs falling apart. At least that was my experience. Civ 5 & 6: much better. When I play Civ, I *want* to loose when I do something wrong, I want a bit of randomness as well, because history was quite random sometimes and luck was a factor indeed. Apparently there's many approaches to Civ, and many players likes to play differently. And that's great 🙂 Thanks for the stream!

[@ranmyaku4381]

I loved playing civ 2 & 3 but civ definitely was harder than many civ's.

[@mrbrianparker]

Peculiar half translation choice there. They chose Joan d'Arc but in French it is Jeanne d'Arc and English Joan of Arc, so rather a melange. Interestingly in Middle French it's Jehanne Darc which would have been the spoken language at the time she lived.

[@mdkramster]

Love pendantry, I do. Or should that be "I do love pedantry"?

[@mrbrianparker]

@@mdkramster I thought I was just discussing the unusual Joan d'Arc form. I wasn't intending any form of pedantry, Joan d'Arc just stood out as odd.

[@mdkramster]

​@mrbrianparker and you are correct to do so. Tis interesting.

[@ivantumanov1015]

Why earlier civs are harder. Civ 6, one normal difficulty, 3 easy difficulties 3 hard difficulties. Civ 3, one normal difficulty, one easy difficulty, 7 hard difficulties.

[@GamerZakh]

The scale is much better in modern games probably because just more people playing means it's easier to balance. A lot of games in the 90s are super hard because the only people testing the games were the devs, who of course becomes experts at their own games and 'hard' feels too easy for them.

[@KingOskar4]

@@GamerZakh that and the whole "Nintendo Hard" aspect of 80s and 90s. Games "had" to be hard , in order for the customers to be satisfied. Or dissatisfied.

[@ivantumanov1015]

To be honest i dont think anyone in the world is playing civ 6 on the most easy difficulty.

[@GamerZakh]

@@ivantumanov1015 Checking Steam achievements, 3.8% more players have won a Settler difficulty game than a Chieftain difficulty game, so we can guess about 3.8% of Civ 6 players play on the easiest difficulty.

[@TheBathrobeWizard]

​@ivantumanov1015 I finally beat it on warlord. Whenever I go prince I get the short end of the stick😅

[@davidhall7811]

I still spend hours on CIV3 now 🙂

[@fluffy-puffy-puppy]

Bro was broken 😖😖

[@afishynado6812]

CIV3 was the beginning of the downfall of the Civ series. They made it overly complex in a way that stopped me enjoying killing everyone and racing to the stars. Might have been more realistic, but I still play Civ2.

[@WhiteGandalfs]

A civilization instance "frustrating and annoying"? - Completely unperceivable! 16 hours for a playthrough? That's normally the time i need to just enter the industrial era. So many discoveries to make up to that point, so many units to move, so many thinks to decide... Civilization is something for patient players who LOVE lengthy games with loads of decisions to make. The length of the game and the huge numbers of decisions are felt as a REWARD by those players, not as a BURDEN. It's a strategy game where the principle design was on atomic units, not on formations of armies (despite the game having a certain type of "small army" formation for tactical reason). If you WANT control over atomic units, you chose Civilization or one of its clones. If you perceive the atomic control as a burden, you do NOT chose a Civilization style game. The same principle goes for dwarf style games: If you WANT atomic control over countless unique characters on the map, you chose a dwarf style game. If you perceive that as a burden, you simply do NOT chose it. There are countless games out there that implement some sort of technology development or diplomacy, but at a much higher abstraction level - up to just managing pure numbers and just having to sometimes click here or there. Maybe let us settle the case in the following way: Civilization is best fit for introverts with some autistic traits - who thrive in fine controlling complex processes on atomic levels. Somewhat in the same direction as 10-thousand-piece-puzzles or the like.

[@ricsigabor7712]

My fav Civ is CivIV ( Beyond the Sword)! Do you Plan to play it??

[@GamerZakh]

Yeah I'll do that next, and I can definitely finish a game of that as it doesn't have to take that long. I did play it back in the day but I forget a lot of specifics.

[@NickDarmitz]

You think civ3 is grind? Try civ3 RAR (rise and rule) mod, it has 10x more tech and 20x more buildings and units, lots of new govmt. types and wonders, really cool mod

[@cristitanase6130]

civ 3 was the pinnacle, everything after is garbage I loved civ 1, I play a ton of civ 2, but civ 3 was the best, had the biggest maps, the most advanced tech tree and it looked amazing. civ 4 was a super let down, and civ 5 made me give up on the series for good.

[@ianbrooke6342]

Never played Civ3 but I may give it a try. I was wondering why you never seem to mine the hills? I always liked doing that for the big boost it gives production.

[@GamerZakh]

I generally let workers be automated because I don't know the numbers enough to know better.

[@Stranglygreen]

russain, bigest world 4 players is tthe best way to play. the russen ge the sout, and they have best trates to suit my play. so love them.

[@Samski1987]

Haha, 3 restarts bam!😂 Civ3 my fav probably. Def not cartoony in comparison to civ6..goofy maybe sometimes, and that music)) well except in the last era, those 2 or 3 tracks drove me nuts. Great grind and was another step up from 1 and 2 who i also love. Then 4th took things differently, which i got used to. 5 was quality. 6th is just meh. Can’t wait for the 7th!

[@jamespearson3897]

Please advise which you feel is the easiest Civ game for a new player to get into thanks

[@GamerZakh]

Easiest Civ for new players? Either 5 or 6. I'd probably lean towards Civ 6 but I would show both and let the new player pick which one they like based on vibes.

[@certaindeath7776]

thats what i hate about all the civ games. the restarts. i just ended up using the world builder

[@llamapi3]

Keeping a single military unit in your cities will help with happiness.

[@GamerZakh]

Yeah I eventually do that, but I opted to trade that for more scouting at the start.

[@gsestream]

omg civ1

[@NoxisFlak-Heyhowareya]

Was customizing your Palace only in civ 3?

[@Samski1987]

No, they had it also in civ 1(palace) and 2(palace room)

[@bwalker77]

Is anyone else bothered by « Joan d’Arc »? It’s Jeanne d’Arc, or Joan of Arc, or even Jehanne Darc if you want to be super accurate historically.

[@emilsoderman3691]

Civ III is the one I never played very much. It felt like a downgrade to civ 2.

[@Viper194]

I have to say the Civ 3 was NOT cartoony. The soldiers and vehicles were proportionately built…. The game was drawn realistically. In some of the newer civs, “the soldiers feet are bigger than their fucking weapons”. 😂

[@GamerZakh]

That just depends on what you find cartoony. Abraham Lincoln in caveman furs is pretty cartoony. Enemy leaders saying "What's that smell, did someone step in something?" when you lose is pretty cartoony. Caveman carnival strength test for high score is pretty cartoony. Also just to be sure, which unit are you referring to for their feet being bigger than their weapons?

[@GamerZakh]

Just for reference, I assume you're talking about Civ 6? Here's a screenshot of some units, feet seem to be smaller than weapons to me: shared.akamai.steamstatic.com/store_item_assets/steam/apps/289070/ss_36c63ebeb006b246cb740fdafeb41bb20e3b330d.1920x1080.jpg

[@Viper194]

@@GamerZakh If you want to take the "cartoonish is subjective" route... then we see it differently and that is ok. I just had to defend the realism Civ 3 had over any of the later ones. As for the feet bigger than their weapons: I put it in quotation marks to be a funny example. I was thinking of Civ Revolution.

[@Viper194]

@@GamerZakh Civ 3 has the best and most realistic units and that's all I really wanted to say and that I think it was pretty realistic in my opinion. I didn't mean to sound like I'm after you.

[@Deszigames]

CIV3 is ironically the best in the series and I don't know why they changed it. I love building a massive empire of unique cites and the urban planning that it takes. I love the massive ancient era wars that inevitably occur. Nowadays you build a few cites, no ancient era combat, no worker management, no replay ability. Hers an idea firaxis: JUST MAKE CIV3 OVER AGAIN!!! Nobody wants the crap you are putting out now, get a clue! Hell even BLIZZARD figured this out in 2019 and released classic WoW.

[@GamerZakh]

You say that but the data says otherwise. I made a video recently on Civ 6 hitting a milestone. For the first time in Civ history, Civ 6 hit 100K concurrent players on Steam not counting all the console players. Civ 6 has sold 11 million copies, that's more than Civ 1, 2, 3, and 4 combined. Civ 6 is the most played and most bought Civ game in the entire series by a wide margin, with Civ 5 coming in second. Firaxis did get a clue and made more money than they have ever made before.

[@Deszigames]

@@GamerZakh from the reviews I've seen on steam and the people who have played it I've heard it's pretty mediocre and a lot of people constantly dunk on it. Civ5 was enjoyable for me at least.

[@Deszigames]

@@GamerZakh and by that logic Raid Shadow Legends must the best thing since sliced bread since it also makes a lot of money

[@GamerZakh]

@@Deszigames I didn't say Civ 6 was the best, I said it was the most played and most bought. People can dunk on it as much as they like, but you can't say "no one wants" the most wanted one. The point is, why would Firaxis 'get a clue' and make something that would make less money? Civ 6 is so beyond more successful than any other Civ game, you should expect the Civ series to continue going in that direction. And you said you didn't understand why they aren't doing what seems to be the obvious thing, this is why. I'm explaining to you the thing you said you didn't understand.

[@GamerZakh]

@@Deszigames Oh and if you're reading reviews by anything less than the thousands, you won't get a clear picture. Just read the comments on this video, already people saying 'Civ 3 is the worst one'. Just a few for reference: "Civ 3 was the beginning of the downfall", "Got so disappointed I didn't played Civs at all", "Civ 3 doesn't deserve to be called Civilization", "Felt like a downgrade", "Civ 3 sukd". All different commenters. Sounds bad right? That's what happens when you pick out or have a small sample size. People dunk on every Civ game, if you look for it you'll find it easy. See the reason why I'm telling people Civ 6 is so successful is to set expectations on what Civ 7 is going to be like. A lot of people think "Civ 6 is hated, so FIraxis will definitely go back to how things were" and then they pre-order Civ 7 expecting it to undo what Civ 6 did. The hate for Civ 6 is so loud, it's actually hiding how loved it is. You'd think it got mixed reviews on Steam but even with almost double the user reviews Civ 5 got, it's still at 86% overall positive, 90% positive for recent reviews of which there are 3000. Consider, 3000 people left reviews for Civ 6 on Steam in the last month, 9/10 of them recommend it. All this very clearly explains why Firaxis is doing what it's doing and why you should expect them to continue doing what they're doing. Compare that to Raid since you mentioned it. That has 56% on Steam. See the way some people talk about Civ 6, you'd expect that kind of user score.

[@zoiuduu]

1:32:46 what u mean by, we now have iron? i only played civ 2, u dont have to mine anything,

[@GamerZakh]

Civ 3 introduced strategic resources, meaning you need to have a source of that resource to be able to produce units that need it. So for example, you can't build knights unless you have a source of iron.

[@zoiuduu]

@@GamerZakh it sounds like a knightmare tbh :) , is civ 4,5,6 like that? I heard civ 6 has neighborhoods, so u are more like mayors than president

[@GamerZakh]

@@zoiuduu Yeah generally from this point on there are 'strategic' and 'luxury' resources. How they work specifically changes from game to game. Civ 6 neighbourhoods is just part of the unstacked cities. Instead of building all structures in a single city tile, the city is spread over districts. So like you build a military district on another tile in the city's borders, then when you build a barracks it's located on that military district instead of inside the city centre. Neighbourhoods are just a residential district that help grow the city bigger.

[@zoiuduu]

@@GamerZakh cant wait for you to get into this minmax micromanagement thing hahaha, good luck , u play way better than me and i can beat civ 2 on hardest level, but could never beat these new games

[@LordGordan1]

I know some secret of civ3 😂

[@hassanabdelfattah5522]

Restart Restart Restart😂😂😂

[@donwald3436]

lol civ 7 will be a 20x20 tile map always-online always-multiplayer and subscription required don't worry only $2 per second! lol and if you unsub your world is deleted immediarely.

[@GamerZakh]

That's what people said about Civ 6 and it didn't happen. C'mon Civ is going to be what it always is. An okay game until 2 expansions release and then people consider it good after a couple years.

[@ultra1000]

Civ 5 next please

[@GamerZakh]

Probably will do 4 first but yeah 5 after that.

[@jettstream5404]

If you're going through all the old civs are you also gonna look at civ 4 colonization? if you do, i suggest the "we the people" mod

[@GamerZakh]

@@jettstream5404 Civ 4 definitely. Probably no mods yet because I should remember the original experience first.

[@jettstream5404]

@@GamerZakh how about colonization? its a blast

[@GamerZakh]

@@jettstream5404 I have one old video of me playing colonization, it's fun but also quite confusing as someone who's only played Civ. I might come back to that as well in the buildup to Civ 7.

[@jettstream5404]

@@GamerZakh it can be quite confusing i agree, but once you get a hold on how things work it becomes a great game, we all start at the beginning looking forward to seeing you play the other civ games

[@TheCraftyDawg]

Civilization 3 doesn't deserve to called Civilization. When I got it. It was a letdown because the game is buggy and the AI cheats to an insane degree. I'm going to give an example that's exaggerated but not by much. It's that stupid. Turn 1 you found your first city and get stomped on by a rival civilization who a using nuclear weapons. 😡👎This streamer should play Civilization call to power. It was a way better sequel to civ 2. They have barely ever used the themes in it. End game ctp you had awesome future tech like mag rails and future weapons like hovertanks iirc. It just filled the void of what a proper sequel could have been.

[@V3sp4s]

U need to expand quicker. Destroy enemies early in the game Build workers to develop faster CIV 3 its easy Build cities near the resources That 2 citys of USA u already should conquer berfore they get bigger Leave space between citys because they will need for to expand Use the tactic of blooking.

[@GamerZakh]

You can just say "play a lot better in a lot of ways and the game will be easier" haha. My main problem is it's just too much all the time. Enemy units trespassing, entertainers auto converting to citizens, settlers coming in from every direction, pangea maps spawning me on islands, starting next to a volcano, starting next to a barb spawn. While conquering 1 enemy another rival settles cities in the gaps left by the shrunken borders of captured cities. People say build more settlers, build more units, build more wonders, build more workers, build more buildings, attack more, expand more, do everything more. Do everything more and do it faster. Yeah if I could do everything more I'd have better results, of course, but I can't do everything more without hours of more practice and learning.

[@farelli608]

@@GamerZakh Yes, this is all true. The best way to be able to do more of everything more quickly is to maximize growth and production. I've recently been honing my skills at min/maxing my cities and it seems almost inconsequential, until you realize you have a city generating 3 shields, and a little bit of improvement results in 5, which is a 66% increase just in that one city. It all snowballs into rapid expansion, which hamstrings the AI. If expansion isn't fast enough, then the player gets hamstrung by the AI land domination. I'd say that's the primary criticism of Civ3, followed by excessive micromanagement and doom stacks.