A Closer Look at my 9ft Gold Crown 4. BRUSWICK. Extended rails. 860HR.

9 BALL BREAK & RUN 53.5 SECONDS BRUNSWICK 4" POCKETS. GOLD CROWN 4. 8 10 15 PREDATOR KAMUI CUE
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[@raydavis9261]

I've got a pro 8 and a 9 ft gold crown 4 both are 4 s with 860 cloth couldn't be any happier

[@gazman1001]

GC4. Great table. My GC4 had different logo's on the corner castings. Mine had a dude playing pool crouched down with a cue stick. They must have changed the logo during the GC4 manufacturing Cheers

[@TwoEagleStar]

She's a beaut Clark! LOL Love to look at the gold crown's but glad I'm not shooting on it!! hahaha Very nice Tim!!

[@Rubster760]

That’s a beautiful table with nice tight pockets Tim 😍👍. My Gold Crown 1 has a date stamp under the metal that you painted. I don’t know if they still did that for your model. I see your playing with the centennials balls. Great stuff bud. 🤩👍.

[@TimZ007]

I think the date is somewhere like maybe 2003 something like that I think it is up under there somewhere. Funny thing is I used to have a gold crown five my first table but it was a eight and a half foot and I felt like it wasn't nearly hard enough. Especially when I went to 9-ft tables. Playing area on the 8 and 1/2 I believe was 92 in and it's 100 on a 9-ft. it was so hard to sell I eventually had to sell it on eBay and ship it to Colorado. That was not a good investment LOL

[@Csharpflat5]

Perfect not buckets like most true game

[@jacobjones5269]

Too tight.. The deep shelf on gold crowns does the job already.. I got my GCI at about 4 and 3/8ths inches and it’s perfect.. Now, I know the 4 is a different design, slightly, so maybe the deep shelf isn’t as deep?..

[@teewhitt]

Nice. Very jealous!

[@TimZ007]

👍😁

[@Yezir760]

Beautiful!

[@Shape_Is_Overrated]

Nice looking table. The 4s look the best IMO. Do you know the miter angles?

[@TimZ007]

I have no idea but they play pretty easy for 4-in. The inside is about 3 and 3/4 so there's not a lot of angle. Which helps the balls not hang up. So it's really enjoyable to play on. Only problem is when I go out everything else has much steeper pocket angles even buckets. So I think I can get away with more but I really can't

[@andygundersen6616]

Hi, Tim. I also have a GC4. I’m installing new cushions and want to make the rail extensions in my workshop. From the starting point of the standard GC4 rails, how much extension do I add. I was just going to make them out of poplar and epoxy them onto the rails. That way I can use the standard 3mm facing on the pocket openings. Does that sound right? Thanks in advance.

[@TimZ007]

I'm really not sure what they did. They took the rails and recovered them and brought them back. I'm pretty sure they're just hardwood wedges in there. So where the pocket would normally have a certain angle it's more straight. So they're tighter but straighter. Downside to this is when I go play on bigger pockets they tend to play tighter. Or you get used to being able to pocket balls into the facings with speed. I think if I was to do it again I would just maintain the same geometry and just shim it. Easier to change back. And plays more like all the poolhalls are done. Just recently got a recover and it was too much trouble to adjust them. For cheap anyway. So it's just going to stay the same way I guess. Don't get me wrong it plays great but I think it's best practice on what you will be playing on. Or as close to it as possible.

[@AdamMarr]

In case you haven't pulled the trigger yet (took me a year or tow to finally do mine) or for anyone else looking at this question, you don't need much, and it depends if you are trying to fix the facing angles or not. If you are not trying to "fix" the angles, and are just reducing the size, then just take the current pocket size, add the facing shim widths (3/16inch * 2) and then the pocket size you want to go to subtracted from that divided by 2. If you are going this route though, easier to just double shim the pockets as 2 3/16 shims a side will reduce the size by 3/4 an inch. If you are trying to "fix" the facing angles, which is what I was trying to do, you really need very little wood. My olhausen's facing were a terrible 145deg, and I wanted to take them down to 141, and so cut the poplar at 5 deg just to keep the numbers even. If I went back to do it again I'd go 4 deg instead since I wound up with 139deg angles and so the table plays pretty easy considering the pockets are not a hair over 4". I cut them with a 15deg down angle to match the rails, and did a clean 15deg down cut on the rails themselves (like a fraction of a mm, just enough to rip the top few thousands of an inch of wood off to have a nice clean surface that matched the shim cut angle exactly). And they were no bigger than the size of a standard wood shim you buy in the packs at the hardware store. I glued them on, but just for good measure added 2 staples. I figured the neop facings would cover it anyway, and the ball only contacts the top edge, so it was just for peace of mind since I couldn't figure out a great way to clamp them down. Its spoiled me though. The 4" pockets have def helped my game, esp playing on bar boxes or 5" pockets, and though it requires a bit more focus to hit clean long shots, its much less frustrating to play on than it was before at 4.5" and 145/6 deg, where any down rail shots over med speed would rattle out, even hit cleanly, directly into the facing. I also wouldn't go smaller than 3/16 facings. Up to you, but they are there to help protect what is under it.

[@cosmicraysshotsintothelight]

@@TimZ007 Detachable rails on a Gold Crown? When? We took Valley rails into the shop to cover them. Gold Crowns get covered on site. Unless they took the entire rail cap (Crown) in to their shop, which sounds very odd.

[@TonyB4679]

Let’s play some on that tight table bud

[@nathanaudet4884]

Will a ball go in when hit with speed down the rail? Nice looking table

[@TimZ007]

Usually. 4" outer pocket 3.75" inner. Plays fairly easy for it's size. Extended rails.

[@tomburns890]

Damn those are tight pockets. What do they measure from entry tip to tip like 3.75”. After playing those and then playing a gold crown with 5-1/8” there going to look and feel like 5 gallon buckets. Mine are 4.5” on my 9’ table and I’m going to shim them down to 4-1/8” when I re-felt.

[@tomburns890]

Sorry I just saw you said 4” in headline. Nice set up. I’m re-felting my 9’ table and going to 4-1/8” pockets. Cheers

[@jacobjones5269]

If you can get extended rails constructed for you it’s preferable.. One shim will always be used on the pocket facing to prevent moisture from affecting the shape of the pocket facing, but using more shims to tighten the pocket will make it slightly phoney.. And I mentioned this earlier, but it’s important to know your table.. Gold Crown 1 & 2’s have the deep shelf that modern tables don’t have, and they play best and tough with normal pocket sizes (4.5 inches).. Mine I made slightly tougher at 4 and 3/8ths inches..

[@tomburns890]

@@jacobjones5269 I ended up going with 4” pockets and the strange thing was my existing facings were very thin so I ended up adding 5mm facings. And yes you either make or miss balls. Difference is this table in this video has very small shelf’s. Mine are like twice as deep and my pocket toughness according to Dr Dave’s pocket toughness calculated out to an 1.17 or 8.35 out a scale of 7 to 27+ of Ron the pool student calculation. My table toughness calculated out to very tough where as a 7’ bar box with buckets play extra easy with a calculation of 30+ off the scale. Lol. Little trivia facts 4u too. Did u know a 9’ table with 4” pockets and deep shelf only about 4.5% of the table with accept balls where as on a 7’ bar box with 5/18”+ bucket pockets with very little to no shelf 11% of the table will accept balls. If my calculations are correct but you get the idea. Very tough vs very easy. Cheers

[@jacobjones5269]

@@tomburns890 The design was lost in a fire before the 3’s debuted, and they had to kinda do it from memory.. haha!.. And yes, no deep shelf from that point on.. I just think it’s key to separating the cream from the also rans.. You gotta have a real stroke with that deep shelf..

[@tomburns890]

@@jacobjones5269 that’s interesting. What I’ve found is that I get sloppy and take low percentage shots when I play buckets and now with 4” pockets I find myself concentrating more and not only hitting more accurate but also using the needed or correct pocket speed for the shots I’m hitting. Cheers