A controversial Map tier list (Risk of Rain 2)

[@morty1504]

They really did do rallypoint dirty those new enemies are brutal asf, I used to love the map

[@m4rcyonstation93]

I still love the map but between TC-1080/SoO and the new enemies its way harder and potentially more annoying Its better than Acres (incredibly incredibly annoyijg to traverse) and Pools (l a g) thougg

[@FartFactor10]

i've never loved rally point. better than sulfur pools though.

[@DitzyDollie22]

As a console player, when I finally got the new rally point I was just offended, I loved rally point but the pests and vermin are awful

[@toastappreciator2691]

Most of my deaths are to pests. I just hate them.

[@zaton666]

Dude I fucking love Abyssal Depths. I agree with many of your points and map ratings, but I'm not entirely convinced that Aqueduct deserves #1 solely cause of the bands. Maybe it's just me, but I find rolling the pots to be an absolutely miserable experience.

[@elkay6533]

Yeah I never bother with the pots. It doesn’t ever seem worth the time investment

[@baglespelledwrong8159]

@@elkay6533 on any burst damage character its worth spending 5+ minutes for them tbh

[@Drekromancer]

@@elkay6533 In principle, I agree. But in practice, fuck the pot physics. I'd spend 5 minutes to get the bands, but I can't roll pots for more than 30 seconds without punching my monitor. I'd love to be able to pick up & drop the pots with E, so it'd still be a time investment without all the rage.

[@samuel-rw3xt]

Rolling then with multy is so difficult

[@fish6087]

Idk why people be doing the goofy movements maybe it’s because I play on console but I can just walk into pots and they move whilst woolie does some weird jump thing to move them

[@benro6564]

My personal favorite is Sanctuary, the DLC stage 2. Idk why but it's just so cleanly designed and fun. I do really like how you took into account enemies, boss items, and loot weight. I was expecting only design of the map itself

[@michaelthompson2363]

Probably my favorite too. The music is killer.

[@graycatsaderow]

I love all sotv maps except sulfur pools,fuck sulfur pools,first time i saw it i didnt see the name and assumed it was puke

[@nadernad_]

bro i hate pot rolling so much, it literally kills my run every time i attempt it, even with black hole it is so irritating to try to get the pots on for 15 minutes, give up, then die on the next stage.

[@justpassingby7569]

I think it’s interesting how ror2 maps are favored by different people. For example I am completely fine with wetland aspect, but I absolutely despise sulfur pools, so much so that I get newt alter every time and dream of a different map. I hate the visuals of splotchy green and orange, I hate the pockets of poison, and the only tolerable enemy is the beetle. However, many people I’ve talked to are fine with it, and I just thought it was cool how almost every person I’ve talked to has a different favorite map.

[@aureuix4674]

I personally love sulfur pools, it's a terrifyingly difficult map, but in exchange you get one of the easiest loot routes in the entire game. Sometimes on sulfur I can have the entire map looted before 5 minutes is up, if I get good enemy spawns

[@itsyourguyskye]

completely agree with you there. wetlands was annoying when i was newer but i don't have too much trouble on it anymore. sulfur pools i dont hate as much as i did on first impressions. least favorite thing on it besides the colors is that the teleporter can spawn in those cramped tunnels and its very annoying if im playing railgunner or acrid

[@kribyy7784]

I also hate sulfur pools

[@shrunker684]

sulfur pools enemies are much less difficult simply because it has both beetles AND alpha construct doing absolutely nothing. Although templars and BG are ass, and teleporter positions can be wack

[@kribyy7784]

@@shrunker684 It also has pests... and Xi construct. its the hardest stage 3 for me

[@TheLeviathan1293]

9:48 The shield phase is actually interesting. It's like an engineer shield. So you get in there and keep killing it while the shield protects you from other enemies. That unless the construct flies too hight and you can't reach it.

[@SwaxMain4u]

Thats my problem, 95% of the time when it shields its a mile in tbe sky and flies 10 miles away from the teleporter. Very annoying even if it is a very easy boss

[@jongameaddict]

Omg. My first MONTH playing ROR2 I CONSTANTLY got lost looking for the TP in Wetland. Absolutely agree. And the water covering everything sucks.

[@LeafMaltieze]

Rallypoint Delta is still A tier in my book. Yeah the rats are stupid, but it's so nice being able to easily see where chests are, and the snow theme is beautiful.

[@TheLeviathan1293]

Aphelian sanctuary made me admit that Clay Templars are actually... not that bad at stage 2! At that point the director struggles to spawn them (Templars and Apothecaries) often and when it does it means it spawns a lot less of everything else. Clay dudes and goblins are more expensive to spawn than Elder Lemurians. It's like when you get to stage 3 and you find a lonely greater wisp looking at you. They are a credit dump.

[@sword0115]

What the hell is that mod that makes all the characters Fortnite dance

[@dextreja3088]

Badassemotes (2 years late lmao)

[@monkeygaming835]

​@@dextreja3088 well you came in with the clutch regardless

[@user-vo5ux4fi6f]

Sundered so high is criminal, its like a revamped wetland but the enemies compared to the other stage 4s is insane. Imo should have switched spots with aphelian

[@rythian_]

correction for around 4:20, you're only getting less loot than on siphoned forest if you spawn at distant roost. it has the same amount of interactable credits as titanic plains now

[@TheLeviathan1293]

I mean from what I know you don't get less loot for the number of credits. You get less loot because you can get Shrines of Woods for a total of two non-loot shrines, instead of one in titanic plains. The same that happens in Siren's call.

[@gamerh0st]

@@TheLeviathan1293 Pretty much this. Plains has an extra weight added onto lunar pods, meaning that you are going to get only about 1% more items on Plains than on Roost not counting lunars, though Plains has the healing large chest instead of Roost's utility large chest. While I don't want to give an opinion on which situation would be the better of the two, I am really glad the two are pretty equally balanced.

[@atomkuehne]

This list is so different from what I'd rank everything.

[@thecosmicapple1962]

My main problem with abyssal is that the whole map has been wrapped in coloured cling wrap so everything is RED

[@slimyasparagus3573]

10:41 "I think visually, this is one of the most stunning and interesting maps in the game" I, too, love looking at black and very dark green for 10 minutes while getting demolished by larvae Love the video, though!

[@THISfookindude]

Man I remember the ‘praise the sun’ grandparent attack. Basically you could just ignore it cause you wouldn’t take any damage

[@Ayasa.]

Aphelian Sanctuary is awesome. It is one of the most aesthetically pleasing ones, the music touches my soul and melts my heart and playing loader is crazy fun in that map. I also love fighting clay templars, extremely cool enemies, even cooler in Aphelian as it looks like their natural habitat.

[@earflapphat]

the track and aesthetic make it my favourite stage 2.

[@graycatsaderow]

I agree,but i think aqueducts is their natural habitat,since clay literally flows into rivers and is surprising on how they dont appear there

[@rosschmankerl3244]

I think Clay Apothecaries aren't on any other map than Aphelian because it's their, well, "sanctuary", and we're taking the fight to them. Templars go on crusades, spreading tar or whatever it is they do when they're not heavy tf2-ing the player, but Apothecaries only fight us when they have to defend their home. I really liked your list, I would enjoy a ranking of all the hidden realms, although I understand that might be difficult (like comparing A Moment, fractured to the Gilded Coast or the Void Locust). Maybe just for general vibe, music, lore, that kind of thing. Abyssal Depths and Abandoned Aqueduct are some of my favourites as well, but for me, but it almost doesn't feel right to give #1 to anything other than Sky Meadow. Even if I have very fond memories of Abyssal; first time I ever reached stage 4, and fighting a giant Imp boss in a red hellscape felt extra cool coming from RoR1 - "holy shit, is THIS the red plane?" (I know it's not, but Abyssal is still so cool!). Sorry, I got carried away a bit 🙈loved the video!

[@HyperLazyFox]

Uh oh, looks like Pyrocynical accidentally left his thicc fem-mercenary mod installed on this guy's computer

[@llamaz6731]

Just gotta say, aphelian sanctuary gets an s+ tier from me just because of it's music

[@rubberdemedici1205]

Aphelian in F is an actual crime bruh Sundered Grove in high tiers though is pretty based though. One thing it and Aphelian have in common is absolutely amazing OST

[@Drekromancer]

Indeed. Many people are saying this

[@toaster_rtx1829]

Sundered Grove was an easy, easy f tier before SOTV. The music bumped it up to B for me lmfao

[@eliiNya]

i went ahead and ranked alongside you, this is my own list sundered grove abandoned aqueduct sky meadows abyssal depths sirens call titanic plains wetland aspect scorched acres distant roost siphoned forest aphelian sanctuary sulfur pools rally point delta

[@SirBork]

The dog is busting the moves

[@dominikkorbely5809]

out of context: i still get excited every time i get abandoned

[@anhurdyn3938]

So two things: Aphelian Sanctuary is so good, I love that map, especially on loops cause Pools, but it's a really nice alternative to always going to Abandoned. Beautiful, and the best theme in the game imo. Second, Sundered Grove is on my hate list for two reasons: it never feels worth going to, being that it's a certainty you aren't getting a good boss item out of it, where the other stage 4s at least offer that chance, and the secone reason is that as a colorblind person it is damn near impossible for me to see any of the chests at any distance. I legitimately have to look for the number pop-ups for chests on that map. The lighting doesn't help at all, either, I think it would benefit from being just a bit brighter.

[@Drekromancer]

I agree - and frankly, adding small glowing outlines to chests would improve this game by a fuckton.

[@anhurdyn3938]

@@Drekromancer Glowing outlines, having the option to let the numbers stay persistent up to a maximum range rather than having them appear when you're basically staring at it would also be a good option. I get that making them too obvious would make it easier to have faster runs but that's better than the alternative

[@aka_meeks]

these are... definitely some interesting opinions... i think you should've done a tier list of each map variant for the stage number (i.e. making a stage one tier list of distant roost, siphoned forest, and titanic plains. then moving on to the stage two maps) anyway love the content! P.S. Sirens Call has the absolute best music in the game imo

[@colinclement2752]

Only reason I don't like sundered is its the ONLY 4th stage I EVER get

[@goofyahhpirate]

ARCID DEFAULT DANCE 8:51

[@opticalduck2587]

I’d love to see a stage 5 variant where it’s the inverse of sky meadows. Maybe an underground cave, some ruins, and it brings you to an alternate boss

[@DisputedOrigin]

yeah it is kinda strange how we have 3 variants for the first 4 stages, and only 1 stage 5

[@toaster_rtx1829]

The mushroom stage 2 or the slime stage 4 from ROR1

[@spyorca2836]

How about Sunken Tomb?

[@spyorca2836]

Or to add a lava theme, and to go along with the possible final boss being like an imp god, Magma Barracks?

[@Bobson_Derbil]

Ah a fellow Grovetender fan

[@Copier777]

Sulfur Pools probably also has one of my favorite stage tracks in the game. For some reason it really really stands out for me.

[@denami8993]

The is the first time I heard someone not complain about how stupid annoying pots are but actually complaiment it… It’s a subjective matter I guess

[@muzzypwnyou]

Thats a weird glitch, sulfur pools didn't have its own tier below F tier, probably a mistake on the editing

[@josephwilkins238]

One good Wetland aspect aspect is that it is one of the best maps for swinging around as loader

[@josephwilkins238]

But for everything else yeah it is pretty bad

[@matthewdickerson826]

Sundered grove has my favorite music and color palette. It makes me kinda sad people dont like it.

[@serialBLEACHexpert98]

I was distracted by the breakdancing. 10/10 video

[@DadsAtWork]

I love all your content and honestly really appreciate seeing your opinions on aspects of this game as a hardened veteran so whatever it is you’re putting out keep it up

[@chrisherzog1367]

Sundered Grove OST (They Might As Well Be Dead) is so ridiculously good. It really makes me care so little about the map's shortcomings otherwise lol

[@AwesomeIo-dev]

I hate grove with every cell in my body for one reason alone. I have carried array to grove 6 separate times.

[@humbleshmu1851]

loved how i just realized this was Scott Jund, and then respectfully appreciated how he took the time to think from the viewers stand point. My first thought was, how long ago was this, is the pre-dlc? didn't even have look at the date cuz he's playing eclipse and a void character. high brain matter scotty. big brangus

[@eisenhead]

Wetland aspects is my favourite loader map, it’s so fun to move around in. The water fucking sucks tho lol

[@junba1810]

Really enjoyed this one! After having all those videos about secret tech and difficult tricks to pull off it's very refreshing to see a list based on visuals, soundtrack, lore and overall enjoyment. Awesome work!

[@eccodreams]

Rallypoint Delta was amazing and easily one of my favorites, but the DLC fucked it over with the mobs. It's easily the prettiest of the non-DLC maps.

[@acousticramen]

sundered grove really became goated as hell when elder lems got replaced with gup

[@osteohiveporosis6882]

YOU DID MY BOY SIREN'S CALL DIRTY😭😭😭

[@krissyboo6148]

16:22 "I still get excited every time I get abandoned" lmaooo

[@grittytheg5077]

I didn't know the Xi construct had that phase that's tuff

[@potatowithwifi]

personally i love acres, mainly because i absolutely hate bling pests and vermin, and sulfur pools poison is so annoying, i also like plains way more than the forest, and sirens call is better in my opinion

[@xanathar8659]

I'm really excited for you merc guide, there just aren't any guides that talk about animation cancelling, slamming, and the like and I was even debating making one.

[@Drekromancer]

As an amateur Merc enjoyer, I am so hyped. I haven't mastered the advanced tech yet, but I wanna learn to instakill bosses so bad.

[@xanathar8659]

@@Drekromancer the advanced tech is so much fun which is why I'm glad someone is finally making a complete video on it. Merc's tech is the whole reason I main him

[@jorts9426]

Watching acrid do the floss made my brain implode

[@bootmanbill2362]

Sundered grove should be lower imo. I personally just hate the maze like verticality

[@akiwiwithaface8911]

It’s kinda fun on loader but it sucks on basically every other character

[@bootmanbill2362]

@@akiwiwithaface8911 yeah especially since I mostly play mul-t and the big C it’s just pain

[@declanmcsherry9368]

Sundered grove is honestly one of my favorites, it’s so pretty and I love flying around it with high mobility characters

[@Forkontheleft]

Sundered grove got such a glow up with the ost change

[@sashawillow9064]

It doesn't matter how technically good Scorched Acres is for loot, I will always dislike it until they fix it. I actually think it's quite beautiful and serene, visually, but it is easily, EASILY, my least favorite map. Most difficult traversal, painfully bad variant with the removal of bridges, bad enemies, okay bosses, and just awful sprawl. The skyline is lovely, and while I do wish they would brighten the colors of the actual installation more, I think it's very fitting. Lore-wise, it's one of the saddest places in the game, and that adds to the ambience for me. It is easily the most frustrating map for me because it could be SO GOOD if they just did a couple tweaks. 1. Remove Clay Dunestrider as a boss spawn and replace it with a guaranteed Horde of Many Greater Wisp spawn - if you would get CD, instead you get a HoM Greater Wisp. 2. Add 3 geysers: 1 going in between the Newt Altar spawns(Above the lone platform and at the back of the lone platform), 1 from highest platform close to the artifact tablet to the middle platform, and 1 from the lower part of the Newt Altar mountain, facing the platforms. 3. Remove Clay enemies. They make absolutely no sense on this map. This map should stay absolutely Wisp-themed and ONLY contain mostly wisp enemies, with some imp and beetle enemies. 4. CHANGE THE PURPLE STONES TO HAVE EACH ONE DIFFERENT. The large purple stones in the platforms all need to be different colors and slightly different shapes. This would seriously help with map visual grokkability, since the map is so large for how few movement options there are, and all parts look similar. I love Scorched Acres and think it has great potential, but it feels like it's in a really mediocre state right now.

[@jobel158]

Abyssal wins #1 for me, purely for nostalgia value. I kinda yearn for the days when every 4th stage was literally Hell, guaranteed red and all!

[@toaster_rtx1829]

Also when it was the only stage 4, and there was no stage 5 lmao

[@spiderjerusalem8505]

Haha, Depths is one of my most hated maps in the game to the point of considering modding it out, too bad sundered grove is even worse.

[@hamburgerbroz6439]

i personally think that the locked door on siphoned forest was originally going to have something to do with the unused Assassin enemy. the enemy itself was cut from development, but has the looks and attacks of something akin to a mini-boss (or bonus boss). it actually has cut lore, too, and this lore seems to point towards siphoned forest! i wonder what killing it would have unlocked...

[@cmcintyre2004]

The background music boutta make me finally beat Undertale passive mode 🙏🏻

[@loganroman6546]

What da acrid doin

[@deathrex007]

Seeing the characters dance and attack simultaneously tickle me funny bone

[@redtsun67]

Siphoned forest over titanic plains? Opinion rejected. My savage goons will be paying you a visit soon.

[@cuek]

One of my favorite maps is the Void Locus because it doesn't matter if you have a god run, if you mess up while charging the cells, you're done

[@Drekromancer]

Well said. We needed more non-negotiable challenges like that imo

[@digs-]

love all the content

[@Krapvag]

the visibility in sundered grove is the worst in the game, I hate that level so much I added a ton of lunar coins to config just so I could avoid it on every run. Pests and vermin are also unbelievably annoying and do too much damage for considering how many of them spawn at one time and how fiddly they can be to hit (can be surrounded by blazing pests early game), so yeah they ruined rallypoint delta

[@TheLeviathan1293]

11:00 I like the map. But this map has punished me lately for taking my time by spawning scavs pre-loop just because. It's happened the last two times I got there after 30 minutes while it hasn't happened in the other stage 4 environments (I don't go that often, I usually go to abyssal depths and since stage 3 altars are pretty common most of the time I get to choose). It didn't happen to me before the DLC so I don't know if I'm taking more time per stage than before or if something from the DLC allows scavs to start spawning early in there, early being pre-loop. And it's pretty bad because until stuff start spawning I need to kill the scav if I want to get money and that takes long and may even be impossible at that point. 12:00 Oh. Is that so? I see...

[@awanderer3047]

10:38 this area also has a banger soundtrack, love hearing it any run

[@toaster_rtx1829]

My opinion of the map imoroved after the DLC dropped, just cuz the music. F tier to B tier lmfao

[@pinguin4898]

I am sorry I had to watch the video twice to get my eyes off your sick breakdancing

[@MudkipMaster132]

4:25 IM NOT CRAZY! I was doing the rex dunked achievement and could never find a consistent newt altar on any roost map!!

[@twiz476]

God I want them to add another 5th stage, I’m so tired of sky meadows

[@xolotltolox7626]

I really don't get why siphoned forest is this high, it is by far my least favourite Stage 1 in the game, Ice Rivers and Pests just make it incredibly annyoing

[@squidtabo]

IMO: Alphelian sanctuary has the potential to be in S-tier. I think there is only a single thing holding it back and that is its lack of cover. Inserting a few barricades around the map would: (A) Allow you to hide and bait Clay Templars. (B) Provide highground from Blind Vermin. (C) Make Clay Dunstriders and Wandering Vagrants more avoidable.

[@gubly849]

The worst map for me by far is rallypoint delta, not because of annoying enemies, not the chest rates, I like the look of the map and think the music is good but no map broke as much as delta has. The total amount of time ive played ror2 is no longer then a few days but in that time this map broke 3 different times 2 being from the teleporter being spawned in an unopened cargo container and another me getting glitched under the ground.

[@kasm7870]

I still think that Scorched Acres is F-Tier. There is a very good chance you just cannot access the Bazaar if it spawns in one of the two out-of-bounds places.

[@spiderjerusalem8505]

Who cares, map looks beautiful

[@Pufftarot]

Sundered Grove is my favourite map. Why? They Might As Well Be Dead. Also Gup.

[@nothappeningmate9402]

My favourite is definitely abandoned aqueduct, so iconic

[@Falloutboy76.4]

Why the hell is Acrid rolling around like that?

[@BrilliantBouncingBall]

it's the BadAssEmotes mod on Thunderstore

[@711_Camper]

Well these are pretty cool bananas.

[@superlimeapple]

New sundered music _does_ slap

[@katie7390]

I personally would shuffle some around because of the newt locations I can remember, and siren's call would go up a few tiers because I play mostly multiplayer, but still a solid list and I never really considered boss items to be a huge factor in liking a map :)

[@bluewarbler9034]

I have a love-hate relationship with Abandoned Aqueduct. While its design is interesting, and the teleporter has yet to infuriate me (looking at you, Wetland Aspect), the fact that the bands exist is a pain. Potrolling can feel downright Sisyphean sometimes and it's the closest I've come to crying in frustration from playing a video game, and yet I also feel obligated to try for it whenever I play because uh oh, two free bands is too good to turn down!

[@takrak]

Behind the locked door on Siphoned Forest there is a bridge that goes past the teleport zone and kinda looks like the one from the first game so maybe there was going to be something there but decided to go in a different direction or didn't have enough time and just blocked it off like in Siren's Call.

[@EyelessJackOfficial]

9:44 Invincibility phase? This guy hasn't been alive for more than 10-15 seconds every single run I meet him, for all I knew he just flies around and summons his 4 turrents on him

[@toaster_rtx1829]

Same lmfao

[@smallestgoober9399]

🎵Scorched Acres is the place to be!🎵

[@literallyalois2966]

thick mercenary pog

[@undeadandliving6725]

why was acrid break dancing in the beginning and why was it fitting🤣

[@carleah2298]

i have finally found someone else who likes sundered grove and dislikes sirens call. i am vindicated.

[@connordavis7721]

The fact the poison map is not joint last I will never know

[@xanthoconite4904]

wetland has one of the best soundtracks of any of the stages, thats gotta count for something

[@mroofity6594]

Did everyone forget Grandparent could do praise the sun pre dlc? Because I swear this is the second time I’ve heard the DLC be credited with making grandparents have that attack. It’s been there since Grandparents were added

[@DisputedOrigin]

no youre right it was a thing pre dlc, but it wasnt really a threat and was often times more helpful than anything, it got buffed in the DLC

[@mroofity6594]

@@DisputedOrigin wait Damn they buffed it? Assuming it was one of the unnoted changes with the initial release of the dlc

[@a_cats]

@@mroofity6594 It was indirectly buffed because of the changes to the burn debuff

[@volpilh]

I used to like rallypoint pre-dlc. Fave gotta be ducts though, since, yknow, bands. HOWEVER, the map I first think of when I think about the ror maps, probably gotta be depths, it's just so iconic

[@denami8993]

The ending was really cool

[@commenter8121]

Am I the only one who gets an odd amount of lag on sulfur pools. Like everything before and after the stage is fine, but whenever I get to sulfur my performance just dips dramatically.

[@CjJello]

I was going to say that too! I'd like sulfur pools much more if it didn't tank my fps

[@scettico...]

me too, I usually have no major performance issues but when I'm in the pools, the game starts lagging

[@ivkozi]

The outro was 👌

[@CjJello]

Rallypoint was always my favorite, it makes me sad that it's just so much worse. I still think it's my favorite aesthetically, and it plays favorite track in the game, but the enemies and that darned drone really drag it down

[@linear1224]

It's weird that you say Sundered Grove is the map where runs go to die, because this map is surprisingly chill compared to Siren's Call, which in all the time I've spent playing Ecilpse has ended my run's pretty consistently.

[@broom673]

Both of them are very difficult maps compared to Depths.

[@andrzejkoodziejczyk5102]

If you get into the crate on rallypoint you can actually get out, although it took me like 3 minutes, so it's not a true softlock

[@skeletonsy317]

honestly I only like Sundered Grove and Aphelian Sanctuary because the music is on another level there

[@StreetLightPony]

tbh any map with blind pests has its own tier that can be damned and burn in the fiery pits of the magma barracks for all I care.

[@sulfll]

this was a good video no stress

[@Smortboi20]

the fact that siphoned forest and sulfur pools are not in ---F is a crime against me

[@THE-RETURN-OF-THE-RAT]

Bro sulfur pools is one of my favorite maps idk what you’re on

[@Smortboi20]

@@THE-RETURN-OF-THE-RAT well i agree with you but after 4 months of reconsideration i would give it a B- but siphoned forest will forever be the worst conceivable map in this game

[@THE-RETURN-OF-THE-RAT]

@@Smortboi20 yes with siphoned forest but sulfur pools is an s+ in my eyes

[@ciaranpatrick6859]

“Scorched acres is one of the ugliest maps” Poor grovetender