A Conversation for No One (with Jim Newman)

[@Absolutely-nothing80]

Jim is outstanding. One of the most phenomenal being I have come across. His sense of clarity and wisdom is a wonder. There is no landing in his message. All perceptions are shattered broken into pieces. What remains is complete silence and wonder of being. I guess nothingness. Thank you for the interview. Extremely grateful for this conversation.

[@angelmoon8114]

Love Jim Newman........resonate with the apparent, Jim, more than any other, apparent speaker. So clear.

[@mattstocks4749]

Me too! I first heard him after hearing eckhart tolle and I still had a very contracted sense of self. I felt so threatened by Jim and hated that he wouldn’t sugarcoat anything. But the resonance now is just like a firework everytime I listen and I feel more at home than after any eckhart tolle video. Of course I realise how dualistic this all sounds 😂

[@angelmoon8114]

@@mattstocks4749 wow! Even though this is going into a story… It was similar for me as well. I was apparently following law of attraction, watching the secret, on Netflix… Read Rhonda Byrne’s book, the greatest secret. Then came across Jim Newman, found him to be cocky, didn’t know what he was speaking about. Lol. Then some thing shifted a few weeks later, apparently, came across Tony Parsons and Jim Newman again, and have resonated with both of them apparently, like crazy. There’s such a resonance when I listen to Jim. So I can relate to what you’re saying totally. Jim is so clear! 😇

[@mattstocks4749]

@@angelmoon8114 ultimately the separate sense of self is looking for the ultimate ‘bliss’ or ‘relaxation’ etc. and so Jim’s message doesn’t really conform to that expectation. Its a more direct pointing to the fact that whatever is arising, whether it be bliss or a nightmare, is the absolute appearing as that! Its like winning the lottery but no one is there to claim the prize.

[@angelmoon8114]

@@mattstocks4749 I would agree 😉 it’s just immediacy just what’s arising exactly… regardless of what it is. Up until recently I would still question is there other apparent things going on outside of what is? Meaning like as I apparently sit here typing and I think about my kids across town and wonder what they’re doing… There really isn’t any kids or across town but in the story which there’s no story either there apparently is kids and things going on… Which is the dream the illusion… I feel like I’m not explaining this the way I could talk about it Lol.

[@ccr7712]

@@mattstocks4749 but how it can be looking for anything if it has no control, that would require some control over thinks to be able to look 🤷

[@Anders01]

Nice! Jim Newman actually explained the message in a way I haven't grasped before. He said that we humans turn reality into objects. That's duality! Prior to duality there is oneness (reality is one wholeness). As soon as we step into the view of separate objects then it already has become a false pursuit since there are no actual separate objects.

[@Blank-ds5ox]

You grasping it is what he is trying to avoid. Stop thinking it's anything - that's the message.

[@Anders01]

@@Blank-ds5ox When the grasping becomes a subconscious conditioning then it's effortless. Then it's grokked. Then there is no need for stopping.

[@FirstPersonHood]

We are imagination! GLORY

[@neilmurphy7594]

@Anders, or "apparent Anders" is 100% correct. Jim is very careful with his words to minimize confusion, but there's no reason you can't talk about the mechanism by which separation occurs. Separation is an illusion created by languages/conceptualization, which are the same process. We "thingify" what we label, drawing conceptual boundaries around it. No such boundaries exist in the natural world, which is why quantum physics is so counterintuitive.

[@RobbeyT1]

There cannot be Nonduality without Duality, they're the opposite ends of one stick, or two sides of the same coin. Characters like Jim Newman bother me because if he was truly nondual he couldn't function at all, he would sitting there drooling like he had a full lobotomy. Jim has memory and memory is thought, thoughts are objects and fully dualistic in nature because it's what the mind knows as 'Now' and the 'Past' (dual).. Certainly being fully Non-dual, he wouldn't remember a split second ago so he couldn't speak or understand what was being said.

[@bette238]

Much appreciation for this exchange 💓

[@TomPrior16]

nice convo, others I've seen with Jim tend to fall short of words but I think you did a great job of being open and showing us how to approach the message. cheers

[@stevegunn9971]

Great interview! I like how Jim is able to make his points clearly and without a lot of hesitation.

[@Ohi_Bubbie]

Thanks for sharing Sir.❤

[@levisnir]

So cool that you got Jim on! #kolhakavod

[@authenticprague]

I love it! Thank you!

[@bob9732]

This was very clear. I liked how he kept it simple.

[@zen-nation]

Best interview with Jim ive seen, thanks!

[@goldenrule3261]

I also find “applied non-duality” to be valuable as well. In this sense then, non-duality is “something" even though it's ALSO nothing and everything at the same time. Well done.

[@awakeenlighten2298]

Excellent!

[@marthatappan7427]

¡Fantásticos los dos! Gracias.

[@transcendingdimensions8412]

This was great!

[@nicht-etwas61]

Thanks

[@jazsangha3400]

Wow. Thank you so much for exposing me to Jim Newman. 🙏🏽😮

[@fur1na__1]

His message is oness is non duality....but when you feel separate this message is no usufull in best and dangerous in worst...when you feel separate ego person you can do self inquiry to see the reality if this ego person...the reality of awareness...this process will weken the ego person and eventually THIS oness non duality arrived

[@RaraAvis42]

So interesting that you brought up McCarthy. Blood Meridian is as good a vehicle of this message as Jim. Incredible, ineffable, unconditional. Its pages do not point to nihilism nor to anything that is a locus-self pointing elsewhere (the violence stands as itself along with the rest). Of course we go about trying to understand that book, place it in a moral sphere in order to feel alright within its pages, find representation and explanation, as we do when we listen to Jim. We so desperately want to get something from it even if it is something to reject in order to find some place to stand. But somewhere there is someone always dancing...and wrongness and rightness just cannot be found...

[@ami1649]

I love this thank you!

[@ccr7712]

Jim says the ME is doing this or that, or trying to do this or that, but for the ME to be able to even try to do anything it would need to have some control . And other times he says the ME has no free will, no control, can’t do anything. That’s contradictory 🤷, I am surprised his followers don’t question that.

[@FilmBritt]

"He" may mean that "-Me is an illusion, does not exist, and can therefore not have free will."

[@ccr7712]

@@FilmBritt ok, but then why other times say, Me is doing this or that, or me is trying to do ? If the me doesn’t have a free will, then the me is just experiencing what’s happening but not doing any of that .

[@stevegunn9971]

@@ccr7712 , I can only assume he means that the ME only has free will and control within the realm of the ME's subject/object perspective, which turns out to be only an illusion.

[@ccr7712]

@@stevegunn9971 the Me doesn’t have any control and doesn’t do anything, it’s just what happens when the sense of me is there, the me just an experiencer. I find it very misleading to explain it like that, it confuses many people, but many speakers say it like that. There is always the possibility that all this is just brainwashing your self in to it, and it may just feel good, but these good feelings doesn’t seem to last forever even for the speakers , as I noticed in many recent KZbin videos, their enthusiasm doesn’t seem genuine anymore. Good luck .

[@unitedivide2789]

There is nothing that will let you know death is real . More than facing it . We do that daily

[@nicoleyoung3927]

I don’t think life is a negative experience like you said, because if we have the mind of the baby, we would always be having fun and pain would just be something that happens in between that… I think if we can get back to that way of thinking, we would always have fun again and be happy most of the time… This guy seems to be peaceful, not playful, for some reason, maybe just his human conditions and personality would still holds onto something in there?

[@WeLoveMusicStudio]

Can we thinkof consciousness as an operating system of the brain, and the "owner", or the "hero" of the story is just a projection, practical for social interactions...?

[@mudskippa8958]

This is what U G Krishnamurti says. It sounds like the same state.

[@ami1649]

💯

[@soofitnsexy]

ug kicked ass!!!!

[@tripp8833]

This was a fascinating interview. I had never heard of him before but I like what he’s saying. I’ve always thought that the reality of the human experience is so crazy, that if you speak about it in a way that’s simple and coherent, it’s probably not true. Language ceases to be useful at such levels…

[@TheArjulaad]

This should be realised, to the extent to which we can, in our heart of hearts, acknowledge appearance, and the necessity of falsehood, without going to rack and ruin. In this respect, Nihilism, in that it is the negation of a real world and of Being, might be a divine view of the world. Nietzsche

[@rsz2001]

Jim seems a little bummed out lately. I guess that's just apparently what's happening.

[@djnavratil]

I've thought that too! He recently moved back from Vienna to Tennessee (US), and seems different. Although, I went to an in person back in October and he seemed his usual jovial energy.

[@TomPrior16]

haha he must be tired of saying the same thing over and over

[@nicoleyoung3927]

I noticed that too

[@Akash_heard]

He is traveling much and do all by himself like videos, presentations, etc.

[@ccr7712]

That energetic shift that he talks about doesn’t have anything to do with happiness, that’s misunderstanding.

[@waylonjenninz]

So is my ex-wife going to come back to me or not?

[@ami1649]

😢

[@soofitnsexy]

oh she definitely will

[@mtunpleasant]

Why have a meeting? Why have a conversation? About any of this. Philosopher Thomas Metzinger speaks to the neuro-scientific foundations of all this. But the point of entertaining any of these ideas/notions seems to be serial tautology with no point in pursuing in a group or one on one.

[@neilmurphy7594]

Exactly. There isn't any point. But there's nothing wrong with conversations or meetings happening either. When an apparent person gets it, there's seems to be a lot less talking and a lot more peaceful silence.

[@soofitnsexy]

exactly...I like Jim but this is pure bullshit!!!

[@manuelkanakaris64]

Somewhere im not sure about jim, the bridge is illusory yet you know that after crossing the bridge. So its real and unreal its both. This to me is proper non duality. Because jims message gets interpretated by the mind (wich doesnt exist accourding to him) and the mind will call of the search for truth. There's no accountability from jims part on this.

[@bette238]

Somehow the Nietzsche quote sounds like the story of Noah???

[@si12364]

To me it seems Jim Newman very onestly knows what he is not, the rest can't be known.

[@onelove1968]

How could art possibly have any sort of actual intention. Furthermore, art doesn't come with a conceptual 'non-dual' message or suggestion either.

[@joesmakle9480]

I’m lost

[@ami1649]

I think that's okay ♥️

[@djnavratil]

Jim would probably say: "Well done!" Something he often says is that "this" can't be understood

[@Akash_heard]

It's just happening 🤪 there's no body there to be lost 🤭🙏❤️

[@ccr7712]

@@djnavratil it can’t be known, but it can be understood. He is one of the best speakers on this, but even he sometimes completely contradicts Tony Parsons quotes.

[@richardbelisle4807]

You assume there is someone who makes a choice about having a child…there isn’t …

[@thumbnailgreen9155]

'The individual has no idea what we are talking about' - Sighs and goes back to youtube shorts videos.

[@5jii]

Is the guy on the left cgi ?

[@Santiago-5107]

The individual is like a skin rash or a headache. When it disappears , its like it was never there, and now one knows where it went. And its not important or even worth mentioning

[@danielboomers]

the guy didnt get it at all...

[@CT2507]

So many of these non-dualist bullshitters springing up like mushrooms everywhere on you tube. Its a mazing and hilarious to watch. Lol...

[@chitraisenlightened]

complete enlightenment is the realization that you are just an Energy in the beyond the body/mind/space/time/causation complexes, beyond the waking, dreaming and deep sleep states. newman says its not knowable and thats wrong...after its realized the mind will know it..

[@stevegunn9971]

I may be misinterpreting your comment, but I think he means that it's not directly knowable (directly experienced) from a subject/object perspective. As you said, though, it makes sense to me that a general memory of the experience would be there if the person returns to a subject/object perspective; however, they wouldn't be able to adequately explain it to anyone other than using vague words.

[@chitraisenlightened]

@@stevegunn9971 the Self, the Supreme Energy that you are, that we all are, cant be known by the mind until after Its realized...it can be described, but its really so simple that there arent alot of words to use...ask him about the Original Face..if he doesnt know it then hes not enlightened..ask him why he cant use words like Supreme Self or real I? until he can chat about the real I or the Orignal Face or the Self as Supreme Energy maybe hes not really enlightened..i would like him to just resonate with most of the other realized beings that have lived on the planet..

[@stevegunn9971]

@@chitraisenlightened I hear what you're saying. I'm accustomed to the terminology and perspective that you're referring to, ie. Supreme Self, True Self, Self Realization, etc. Do you feel he's referring to the same experience that Realized Beings are referring to, but is simply using different terminology to express it?

[@chitraisenlightened]

@@stevegunn9971 thats a good question..to make it simple, if the lecturer cant chat about the real I, or the Original Face, or the Supreme Being but just limits his chat to *This* i have my doubts...there are so many beings on the internet its really hard to tell who just has a good rap and who actually knows what they are rapping about..from my point of view if *This* isnt pointing to the Supreme Self they are making a mistake...

[@stevegunn9971]

@@chitraisenlightened it was good hearing your perspective, thanks!

[@johndean8052]

mental gymnastics, a discourse about nothing down that never-ending rabbit hole. Some get a hit a high, that has no shelf life and on to the next motivational speaker...as the American soap stated 'a show about nothing'...silence is the best teacher, not these nondual podcast influencers......All has been said for over thousands of years............wash rinse repeat,....silence....silence............

[@gregoryswanepoel6328]

too many uhm uhm from interviewer

[@maireadhaugh6795]

Wasn't noticed here !! He did a good job.

[@bpotter9769]

Wow 😂 this ami talks a lot (of non sense) and he even believes he is asking questions !? Just bla bla about himself .. apparent self .. 😅 jeeez !

[@Brownskidmarksonmyunderwear]

Im just waiting for Jim to say "April Fools!!" "I really had you guys going"