Series 1 Episode 4: When Jim met Sue

[@Qworld00]

Finally, it became obvious what Jim had been speaking for a long time. There can’t be any comparison between Jim (who has no position and offers no illusive teaching to any separate individual self) and all the other leftover Intellectually smart teachers on KZbin who promises to help and enlighten the separate individual. I just saw how 40 years of hard work and sufferings through meditation failed to produce lasting freedom for Susan.

[@diannea.2587]

Agreed! With all her high achievements in the world, there is not liberation.

[@kingdaleclarke]

Agreed. The answer isn't in the mind.

[@peterkoster5057]

You are right. The mind can’t comprehend it’s own absence. Any intellectual attempt to understand the matter will fail, not matter how long you have meditated 😅

[@stelladonnelly2832]

Yes, I love Jim's speaking. Perhaps its when we are very young, in the very early days before thinking starts, that we know who we really are, but can't articulate it. But later there's the sneaking sense ( in the mind) that there is something missing, but the intellect is the wrong key for the door. ( and there is no door ! )

[@ndnd2023]

Lovely.

[@christianrokicki]

She complains about the color purple though she has dyed her hair purple? Wtf?

[@doncandelario9102]

Thought she was non-linear ironic 😂

[@Brownskidmarksonmyunderwear]

I see colored hair like that and I immediately think "crazy leftist"

[@mrjsneff]

Great conversation. You should put Jim in a room with Rupert Spira!

[@karlskaret275]

You should put Jim and a pink elephant in a room with Rupert Spira.

[@jacobxa]

Someone already got him with Sam Harris. But I guess there is some daylight between Sam and Rupert so maybe Jim and Rupert actually would be quite different.

[@jaygub3607]

Non duality speakers often put him in the same boat as folks like Eckhart Tolle. Well intentioned but still reinforcing the sense that there is a self that can make progress in some way.

[@williamcallahan5218]

Absurd. Rupert has been put up against some of the biggest brains in science and spirituality and always, always grabs the ring.

[@alisonsalter8352]

They are both ‘right’. But one is a teacher and tailors the understanding to the person in front of him and one stands up and spouts ultimate truth, knowing full well hardly anyone’s mind is open enough to get it. That is not a teacher. I am a spiritual teacher myself.

[@zivauri]

3:56 Yes!! Suffering happens but there is no value in it!!!! Yes yes yes, I am So glad someone is finally saying that! Ten thousand hearts!

[@laisa.]

The intro was really the most interesting, fantastic dialog there

[@willcollins5660]

Agreed, biggest golden nugget of the conversation.

[@youarewhatyourelookingfor4496]

I’ve found immense value in suffering. It’s the best teacher there is in experiencing here. The stove is fire hot. (Touches it) OUCH A: don’t do that again Me:ok

[@djdollase]

Love that she admits she smokes a lot of dope, lol. My problem with this “meeting” is that these two “twains” shall never meet. She’s so deeply invested in spiritual materialism and he’s off in outer/inner space. She’s an intellectual and he’s an experiential. She (ultimately, subtly) holds off experience of the ultimate and he’s just laying back into it.

[@sevenlocks5238]

Yes

[@XOXO-mb2vh]

It's sad to me cause skeptics want an explanation the brick wall way.

[@laisa.]

And yet it's all a part of the whole 😊

[@BarneyBJohnson]

Wow, thank you Iwan pour putting this on! Watching Jim debate or discuss non-duality is like watching your favorite politician 'stick it' to the establishment. The most brilliant example of this occurred at approximately 48:56, when, in reference to Susan Blackmore's assertion that mediation or other spiritual practices aren't guaranteed to bring about enlightenment, but do make it more likely ("accident prone"), Jim countered that the dropping of the me can occur DESPITE having done meditation, thereby inadvertently (or perhaps on purpose) attacking the basis of meditation itself. This was such a shocker, and I think I may have gasped the first time, and definitely we can see that the guest was definitely thrown off her center, but played a good sport. This is what I love so much about this message: it attacks the fundamental assumptions of everything. Certainly many people are fine to hear traditional religions attacked, but to hear a message that questions the validity or usefulness of meditation, or calls into question the truth anointed sectors of society, such as science, I mean wow! Thank you Four Simple Questions for this very professional looking set and high quality recording, it's a nice boost from cellphone videos. 🙃

[@TheWizard10008]

He was way out of her league. She really was unable to realize, understand or get what he was pointing at. She’s spent so much time in her books and writing that the living breathing subject she was seeking all her life was embodied right there in front of her and she just couldn’t recognize it.

[@jenniehughes6927]

When I saw the hair I immediately clicked off, so,I wouldn't know...or care what she has to say.

[@clairedot657]

I hope that’s a joke. ffs.

[@annieandaj]

I'm finding myself becoming very bored with these conversations. This crap can go on and on and on with no end in sight forever and who cares?! For the longest time I thought there was something to find at the end of it all and the joke is....drum roll...there isn't and it's no big deal. It's a giant waste of time to listen to these folks who seem to believe that they have come to some finite conclusion and that they should be listened to....NO!! It's just more blah, blah, blah and it's very annoying. I find these two especially pretentious. I do feel that there are some "teachers" who are exploring this that we all share in a more nuanced way. They're capable of connecting to others in a much more helpful and loving way because they're including themselves in this that we all experience. Not these two. Life can't be captured with conceptual/esoteric ideas about what life is or isn't. No one has any answers beyond any one else and when you offer yourself up as a person who does, you've lost my interest. It's an ongoing evolution that has no end but is expanding into more and more of what is actual/real. We're all just along for the ride.

[@jaygub3607]

I loved this. And the opening was a great analogy as well. Regardless of the side you agree with, their conversation led to more conversation here. And no one in my day-to-day cares about this, so cheers 🍻

[@motorhead48067]

The amount of egoity you encounter on non-duality videos is so ironic and amusing. Half the comments are just people saying why their favorite teacher is better than the next guy’s favorite teacher and how teacher x would embarrass teacher y and reveal their ignorance.

[@gcg8187]

hahahah i know right

[@FirstPersonHood]

Great stuff

[@axutgautam1187]

Cordiality and loveliness may hide hypocrisy too, so why not express rawness? And why should you have the preconceived framework on how a conversation or expression should look like? LOL, get comfy with your own taste and don't bark about how things should be according to your taste. That was a great conversation and the majority of people didn't find egotism the way you're describing.

[@RVEEATOR]

😂😂

[@BarneyBJohnson]

Oh how beautifully stated, concise and to the point! I know, you are absolutely right, and the worst are the ones that repeat, like some pitiful zombie, something that was said---it feels hollow and pathetic. 😄

[@neurokith]

Oh Dr Blackmore, you bite your tongue with grace. I feel it, the intellectual dissatisfaction and frustration.

[@jaygub3607]

An intellectual with nothing to grasp. It reminds me of an Alan Watts analogy. She'd be able to float in the water with ease if only she'd stop clawing at it.

[@Brownskidmarksonmyunderwear]

The intellect/mind is the trap. Theres no objective truth in the mind. And the doctor is looking/searching for truth in an infinite maze that can never be solved. Its fun and interesting but youll never get anywhere.

[@WallySoto-yi8fz]

Rupert still has a slight identity dilemma. Jim will literally rattle his cage. Illuminating activity will happen.

[@mementomori5374]

There is no jim there is no rupert

[@DiogenesNephew]

I'm surprised you bothered to even leave a comment. But non-entities are gonna do what they do.

[@bobvanderlaan1777]

Jim and Rupert both know, feel and experience that there are no 'things'. Maybe they will keep silent when they meet. Maybe just smiling..😊

[@WallySoto-yi8fz]

Great point! That would literally b beyond awesome!

[@mementomori5374]

@@DiogenesNephew ah so youre better than everyone 😝 coz youre not a non entity lol there is no you my friend

[@shappy321]

Another great video - thank you! It would be interesting to have a brief interview with each participant after the conversation to get their impressions, thoughts, etc.

[@foursimplequestions]

Thanks, great idea.

[@Colin055]

It’s interesting to me that Sue had this insight into no self and the Zen teacher told her to take responsibility aka recreate a sense of self and agency.

[@ami156]

Self rooted in no self is self or no self.

[@BeNothingg]

Jim was speaking from the illusionary individual experience, not the non dual. In the non dual, there is no individual to experience to take responsibility of.

[@eubique]

Because no self is ultimately true but not relatively. The context is recognised and deepens, and while there is a body life goes on. There's value in tearing down spiritual illusions but people like Jim are pushing an other illusion in its place, it's unlikely to be much use.

[@robwilliams2265]

If it can't be known, how does he Know that nothing is happening and it can't be known?

[@BeNothingg]

What He means is that only the individual can know and there is no individual to know so it is an unknown

[@ccr7712]

Seems like neither of them considers the possibility, that they may be completely wrong about this. When there is clear understanding regarding this, then it’s clear that that’s always a possibility. Either they are not comprehending it fully, or maybe just big egos 😂😂😂.

[@maryberry6067]

It appears that Sue as never given up her purple and gray.

[@tim59ism]

She's nice enough but her opinions in the field of near death experience (for instance) are outdated and irrelevant. I think she's actually led a lot of people up the garden path.

[@Akash_heard]

Great!! But Jim is not a teacher... he remarks that over and over when he is sharing ❤🎉

[@foursimplequestions]

Quite right! My mistake. Non-Duality Speaker, perhaps?

[@yoooyoyooo]

@@foursimplequestions He is nothing at all, but just this time for you since you are a beginner you can hold on to that.

[@yoooyoyooo]

@@foursimplequestions I liked the metaphor about the black hole. That was one of the best things I heard in a long time.

[@Intrepid7]

This is impersonal nothingness, recognized by no one. (A.I.)

[@Carole-LDA]

There's no-one to be free, only freedom. This message is either simply heard, or not and Jim Newman delivers it seamlessly. Thank you for posting. 🙏🏽

[@bodhiheeren]

JIm Newman sounds very much like a copy of Ramesh Balsekar. And like most neo-advaitans seems to have great problems relating to everyday human life.

[@Paakku97]

​@@indreams22Ramesh didn't, you could go to his talks for free almost every day. I heard from Lisa Cairns

[@dinrobinson5132]

There comes a time when the one who's lost in emptiness after seeing through his non-existent self, returns to the world and lives in the world but recognizes he is not of the world. Such a person does not have many hard and fast opinions but sees through all opinions.

[@raznatovicanastasija]

there is no such person

[@SpidermanInLondon]

Such a person is dust in the wind 💨

[@thepunadude]

FOR ME, THIS 'SERIES OF QUESTIONS/CONVERSATIONS' GOES BACK TO THE '70S, SUE SHOWS HOW 'LEARNING' ENSLAVES

[@roytownsend6173]

Absolutely.

[@roytownsend6173]

I find it painful listening to her mind.

[@LifeLivinLifeAlready]

​@@roytownsend6173indeed!

[@pugix]

'Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.' - Wittgenstein, who had a hope that speaking could be limited to that which can be spoken of.

[@balexandras]

thanks for your great feedback. cheers.

[@LifeLivinLifeAlready]

Gorgeous 🥂

[@edwinbircumshaw8161]

Jim sounds like someone who has created a fortress around himself, defended by a set of stock semantic phrases that close down the actual living breathing moving reality he professes to be in touch with. He plays his intellectual sidestep and shuffle at every question. It is utterly impregnable but manifests as deeply alienated and defended and devoid of the real qualities that manifest after awakening of compassion, loving kindness and wisdom. He's trapped in a conceptual loop of his own making....this is what appears apparently here as a none appearance.

[@marjf149]

I think Jim just has a few messages in attempt to point to the Ultimate. It seems more like Sue trapped in mental loops…

[@debellisbeardsley6555]

S

[@debellisbeardsley6555]

sad display he is making

[@johnmc3862]

Excellent. You said it better than I could. He often denies an intelligent question by going back to stock responses of ‘unknowable, is/isnt, can’t be known’ etc. He has ego attachment by needing to be in control at his meetings. He has to shout over someone or simply dismisses their questions. He learned his approach and result from Tony Parsons which tells me is acquired rather than experienced and there is a fakeness to it. He is also dismissive of other enlightened beings, which is a pity and smacks of ego at play.

[@joanjurqueras9828]

@@johnmc3862 there is no enlightened beings...

[@dinrobinson5132]

Seeing there is no seperate self should not necessarily mean that all meaning attached to separation needs to be totally discarded. It is enough to see through it.

[@MrAlliswell88]

Jim is NOT a teacher!

[@richardverney3439]

But he maybe a Jinn 😅 Jim the Jinn 😂

[@RitaRajaa]

Jim shares this message so well, his words are on point!

[@willcollins5660]

Must of seem exhausting just to hang out with Sue.

[@BeNothingg]

Listening to her was exhausting

[@hammercpa]

Jim’s perspective doesn’t seem like one made for this world we live in. If he had a position of authority, like in government, and had to make decisions that impact millions of people, his worldview could lead to devastating consequences. I would much rather want someone completely lost in illusion who speaks of compassion and recognizes suffering of people then someone who thinks nobody is there and nothing is happening.

[@raznatovicanastasija]

Those areas have been drilled.

[@laisa.]

This should be 4 hours long, loved it ❤

[@_SoundByte_]

agreed!

[@trinidad111]

it should? lol

[@advaitawho]

Excellent talk. The message is fantastic! Great to hear from Jim! 😁☯👍

[@pairadeau]

This is fertile ground. Psychologists who believe their own story should tread very lightly. You, in particular, cannot win any argument at these highest of levels of discernment/observation. Only the philosopher has any chance at all. And yes, everything dual must be zero sum. Good question young jedi.

[@zendog8592]

The brain does not construct anything. Just like a car does not take you anywhere. Vehicles such as body/mind are the means in which life experiences itself. What is life, you may ask?? Don’t know I answer ! Besides life has not finished it’s journey. Knowing the known and knower is enough for now, how else could it be?

[@karlskaret275]

Thanks 👍

[@remainertears]

Poor Susan, the character is lost in "me"

[@kalprao]

Jim is one of the best, if not the best when it comes to having a no-nonsene conversation about non duality, his explanations get straight to the point, concise and unapologetically honest. Jim will expose your ignorance, shatter the dream you have of "Im an enlighten person" or " I want to became and enlighten person". just listen to what he has to say without any judgment or questions, just trust the message.

[@ccr7712]

Your last sentence sounds like a recipe for getting brainwashed 😂

[@kalprao]

@@ccr7712 The brainwashed that everyone has is what questions this message. Be my guess and question it all you want, don't believe it, Be one with the brainwashed.

[@ccr7712]

@@kalprao I would recommend to stick with rational thinking. Good luck 🍀

[@kalprao]

@@ccr7712 No buddy, good luck to you

[@vista5169]

@@ccr7712Jim’s message is nothing but rational.

[@jcornj]

Really great. I have been looking forward to a 1:1 conversation with Jim. Thanks

[@shawnosborn8887]

Compassion is the value of suffering

[@jacquifenn9928]

Thank you

[@patriciagray5173]

Compassion implies two. There is only one.

[@Tasmanaut]

@@patriciagray5173 one implies a number. It is not a number.

[@patriciagray5173]

@@Tasmanaut Yes, if taken literally. "One" beyond one...."All." Language! :)

[@lynneSpiration]

It's amazing how much the mind sidesteps around the obvious. Thank you.

[@joanjurqueras9828]

40 years of seeking and still keeps seeking... At least she took responsibility. On the other hand, Jim doesn't seem to like talking about his none existent self or the appearance illusion. Nevertheless, good conversation indeed.

[@youarewhatyourelookingfor4496]

Newman is interesting because his seeming complete lack of any love and or compassion is palpable and yet he talks about “love” being the source energy. 😂

[@richardsylvester]

Thank you Jim and Sue - great conversation🌝 - unlike the conversation between Jim and Sam, which was like having teeth pulled.

[@foursimplequestions]

Thank you Richard, would like to invite you to take the @foursimplequestions challenge too at some point.

[@ndnd2023]

Ha, that's the exact phrase I put to Jim when we talked about that particular interview.

[@RVEEATOR]

I’d say it’s worth remembering that Jim Newman is, in a sense, an ‘apprentice’ of Tony Parsons…always worth going back to Tony imo although I like listening to Jim too

[@johnmc3862]

He is just re-hashing most of what Tony says. He is ‘book read’ enlightened in my opinion.

[@micahmrkd3412]

Jim Newman is not a teacher. You can't apply any of the shit he says lol.

[@GGTutor1]

Isn't that the point? He made the point himself in the video.

[@DiogenesNephew]

Makes me wonder why the fuck he wastes his time with all this.

[@the-absolute-light]

@@DiogenesNephewwell there’s no one there that’s wasting their time lol

[@DiogenesNephew]

@nondualawareness He can say that all he wants, but his subjective experience is still being had and exists as it is. I'm fine with the general thrust being made, but what he describes is a silly life-denying rejection of everything. It's like he gets off on being able to take this extreme position because it's non-falsifiable, and it allows him to seem more enlightened, wiser, etc. This is a non-teaching to be certain, but to the extent that it makes no sense why he ever bothers. The fact he's ever opened his mouth while holding the position he claims to is a performative contradiction. He's a blowhard and a charlatan.

[@micahmrkd3412]

@@DiogenesNephew Well isn't that presuming their is time to waste to begin with.

[@energysourcelove]

This was the best thing I have seen on KZbin maybe ever. So very rich! Thank you.

[@yoso585]

I agree. And particularly now when their seems to me to be an overwhelming amount of uninteresting non dual related nonsense to weed through. Just so much nonsense being spewed. Clicks, I guess. Sorta like searching for good info on the internet. So much marketing and junk that one may never find the answer to the question they’ve ask.

[@DanziSmith]

Every coin has two sides. Just make sure it's not counterfeit. This was was the real deal.

[@moondalastringart]

Jim is so simple, like life itself. Sue feels like an agitated mind desperately trying to prove its existence and not to die. bot beautiful and innocent, done by no one. it's just what's happening. thank you!

[@willcollins5660]

Sue is wrap up in her own ego and self-importance. Just drop it on certain topic towards Jim. You can tell she is not satisfied with some of his answer. A good interviewer is non-judgmental and non-egostical.

[@wolflarsen3447]

Like others have said I'd love to see Jim and Rupert Spira but it would be good to get another "neo advaita" teacher to speak with Spira instead. Tony Parson, Andreas Muller or Kenneth Madden perhaps.

[@jaygub3607]

I'd like to think Walter Driscoll would be a great interviewer for Rupert. With guests that have teachings or methods he asks very good questions that sort of filter out the b.s.

[@Danster82]

Whenever someone claims the highest understanding for whatever reason people have a tendency to accept it blindly.

[@jaygub3607]

Are you referring to one of the two here? If so, how do you mean?

[@sheikmunjah2241]

only the nothingness understand the words coming out of Jim’s mouth

[@BeNothingg]

Exactly

[@johnnylovessheki]

Nisargedatta be like- it is prior to all this babble

[@MrDjmirk]

This kinda reminds me of the Krishnamurti/Iris Murdoch dialog which you can also find on KZbin. It’s kind of a 21st Century version of that. Btw, hasn’t she dyed her hair purple?

[@Fnelrbnef]

I think there's definetly a process going on before anyone can have their 'moment' of waking up - a line. Before and after that line.. Jim did lots of meditation himself. I think it's unhelpful to assume you can just be however you are right now and expect anything to happen. I believe inner work is most often necessary before you can have nondual awareness. Possibly a few rare brains might wake up spontaneously, but that's very rare indeed.

[@johnmc3862]

What about the dinosaurs Jim if this is all there is?

[@PhilosophyOfNoa]

Trying to be impartial in your metaphysics makes everything arbitrary, but what’s really arbitrary is acting as if impartiality is necessary. Our actions are meaningful because consciousness is inexorable from “meaningful experience”. What am I missing?

[@passingthrough2463]

Who can outsmart whom? Based on the concept that every word is a lie ... why so much effort? Watching two little children quietly playing with each other ... is more enjoyable.

[@larryprimeau5885]

It sounds like he's got the whole thing down pat. not good.

[@vanyaz4445]

Jim is not a teacher.

[@ericroman9126]

How dare nothing turn my mind into a pretzel. I loved it.

[@northernyogi]

I’m so excited to watch this!!

[@mementomori5374]

Aw thats so cute 😂

[@jgarciajr82]

Do John Vervaeke and Rupert Spira next please!! 🎉❤

[@WallySoto-yi8fz]

Scientific activity never happens to a scientist but if it does, that will b, THIS appearing as that.

[@Jeronimo365]

So we all pack up and go home? You either get struck by nonexistent lightning or you don’t? This may be true but being told we are abjectly helpless is pretty depressing. 🤷🏻‍♂️😕🙏

[@TheRepublicoftheImagination]

home sounds nice 🙂

[@rowenahutchison4822]

What a wonderful conversation. 🙏🏻❤️

[@mattmackane]

Talk about passive aggressive! LOL

[@BeNothingg]

Its her ego

[@williamcallahan5218]

Nahhhh Not feelin it. Used to listen to them both and even took them seriously for a while.... until I didn't. Neo Advaita gets stuck in the head, is word driven and a dead end and well I think SB is closer but no cigar.

[@sunnyhollow8141]

i will save you an hour of life PARADOX ACCEPT IT

[@siewkonsum7291]

Q: Who are you? A : That which perceives is me. Q : What is that which perceives? A : It's undescribable by words. It's inconceivable by thinking. Q : Can you use some metaphors to point to it. A : Yes, the sky is blue, the cloud are white, the trees are green! Q : What is it that comes? A : That which neither comes nor goes is it! Q : Hahaha!!! 😂😂😂 A : See! Sage Lao Tzu says - when lay people hear the Tao (Truth) they laugh loudly, otherwise it is not Tao (Truth). 😊🙏🙇‍♂️🌷

[@johnmc3862]

11:10 - 12:15 Jim goes on a non-dual which even confuses himself. How is Jim so happy to describe something which ‘can’t be known’ but he is okay to mention it. How does he know it so clearly if it can’t be known or even defined.

[@nicht-etwas61]

Thank you so much ❤

[@tudoravram2305]

The basic problem is that Jim Newman does not have the necessary language skills to make the distinction between conventional truth and ultimate truth as stated in Buddhism in general and Madhyamaka school in particular. He literally oscillates constantly between 'nothing exists' (ultimately = intrinsically, as an essence) and 'something appears to exist' (conventional = that which appears to exist in a way, but it does not exist as it appears) without stating from which point of view he is talking about, and that exactly is his problem and he seems to be incoherent and inconsistent. His lack of clear philosophical discourse is the root problem.

[@brentlawson3344]

Sue really helped me find even greater resolution by showing how stuck she is in there being a real world as opposed to the uncompromising non-duality that Jim’s character appears to be representing. If she was real, I’d feel sorry for her 😉

[@aquietsky]

The only truthful thing we can say is "I don't know"

[@mycuteb]

This was great, Loved them both.

[@dawid_dahl]

Thank you so much for putting these two together. Absolutely loved the discussion! ❤️

[@advaitawho]

There’s an interesting film called who’s driving the dream bus. Have you seen it? 🤔☯

[@Tasmanaut]

spontaneous laughter at the ridiculous nature of the paradox is the most obvious appearance of one who is not there :). You know, I have a problem with some of the language Jim uses, it's a little clumsy or confusing. I appreciate that he is beyond caring, it's just that when he refers to his being as 'nobody' or 'no one' it comes across as silly or at worst mentally ill. I'd go so far as to suggest, 'dressing it up' a bit, maybe just have a slightly different choice of words for the phenomena so that it communicats the idea better rather than coming across as mental illness, lol. He's not wrong though I think it's interesting the the 'buddha' often referred to himself as the Tathāgata, meaning 'one who has thus gone', also 'one who has thus come'. I guess it's very similar language really, lol

[@mpeniak]

Lol Blackmore, I wrote her an email when I was doing PhD at Plymouth university too....such a weird mix of two random people

[@santoshmangat9221]

Rupert and jim agree on "no self" but apart from that there is no meeting point. Major point is consciousness which jim does not agree. I think rupert will not come for the meeting since I have noticed he does not participate in meetings where discussion is on nothingness

[@johnmc3862]

You won’t hear Jim mention the subconscious mind, it doesn’t fit his model.

[@leidabos3740]

The meaning of a program like this is nice, but if the participants don''t have the same ability to listen it sucks

[@madeleinemeijers3391]

Valueable conversation. I would like to see Rupert Spira explaning this to the professor.

[@Yaël-k4t]

She knows that she is not right haha

[@haraldtheyounger5504]

3:53 Suffering is always self inflicted, just another delusion. Of course, religions and gurus play upon that for their own ends.

[@christinaforras]

Aw synch.. “my pain is self chosen” (River of Deceit) 🎶 was in my mind a few hours ago

[@christopherjordan9707]

Suffering is self inflicted if it's yourself suffering. Children and pets suffer, other people suffer. But most people just think about thier own suffering when "suffering" is mentioned

[@haraldtheyounger5504]

@@christopherjordan9707 Children react, therefore they suffer. Of course, they know not otherwise, yet to learn that suffering is optional. As for pets, they suffer very little; too many project too much onto animals... especially "pets". Again, there is the human element which causes unnecessary disease and illness, such as neglect, abuse, wrong diet, etc.

[@christopherjordan9707]

@@haraldtheyounger5504 you may simply be overlooking the amount of innocent suffering in the world. Thier sadness and hurt and longing...is real to them and that's almost unbearable at times.

[@haraldtheyounger5504]

@@christopherjordan9707 Is suffering other than a play of the mind? I had an old friend who recently killed himself. Of course this was a surprise, but there is no suffering. To his family, they are suffering, but why? Simply due to a rejection of actuality. That may seem harsh, and yet it is what it is. Their minds go over and over, wishing otherwise, blaming themselves, etc. There is a reality there, a self-made reality only. People the world over suffer, not due to circumstance but due to a denial of actuality. Only when we know the actual is there action beyond suffering.

[@GGTutor1]

Why does she have such a rude and accusatory attitude? Seemed very incongruent and unnecessary given the context.

[@adityaprasad465]

Interesting. I found her to be very polite and accommodating.

[@timelessdreams5281]

She had a lovely demeanor and asked very good questions. If you want to see rude check out his interview with Robert Saltzman.

[@yoso585]

I thought they were a quite charming “couple.”

[@jaygub3607]

I thought they were both short at times but the other didn't take offense. It felt respectfully restrained by both sides at times.

[@bjsmith5444]

I think she's very respectful and open minded. She wants to find the truth like any intelligent person.

[@johnoleary4647]

Both speakers seem to not have answered the question, what is it like to be you? Ie both seemed to avoid the nitty gritty of personal emotional responses to what's happening ?

[@BeNothingg]

I guess because in non-duality there is no you to be described and in spirituality it's the same in a sense

[@2dasea]

Seeking union with all that is is such a silly activity when you think about it.

[@johnmc3862]

Jim is not a teacher because there is no message as he says so himself.

[@lynlavalight]

This is great fun! 🎉 😊

[@BeNothingg]

Sue please stop cutting him off 😢

[@judithnewman1581]

Hahaha 😂brilliant !!! That's what a separate self does, it NEEDS... to be... heard, understood, seen, powerful, etc etc The appearance Jim , doesn't need... the longing is fulfilled.

[@forestofechoes]

after watching this video i started to believe in jesus

[@scmitten]

Brilliant. Thank you.

[@Jezfletcher-c5l]

Wonderful content. Please keep it going…!

[@fibanacci8]

Golden..

[@advaitawho]

Jim ain’t a teacher! ☯

[@cassavates]

Susan could not grasp it at all, she haa no fckn clue

[@TheSoteriologist]

There's absolutely nothing new about what Newman says, except his own rewording of the essence of non-dual traditions, plus he adds a incorrect heterodoxography to falsely make it seem he differs from them.

[@eubique]

Sounds right, although I'd have to look up that word. It's dishonest or self deluded bullshit to say that degrees of identification with ideas of self doesn't happen during normal functioning after recognition of no self, even for the most enlightened sages. The descriptions people like Jim give of themselves makes them sound like horrific p zombies. There's possibly some pathology there that I won't name.

[@TheSoteriologist]

@@eubique Exactly, or otherwise just trying to get a foot in the anti-guru-market. Better to have a bunch of deluded groupies than to have to do heavy lifting to earn a living. A third option is more sinister, but it's unmentionable. Notice his name and look up the anti-initiatic trend of modernity according to René Guénon.

[@OfficialGOD]

49:00 it can