A Conversation With Police on Race | Op-Docs

In this short documentary, former officers share their thoughts on policing and race in America.
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In the previous years the discussion of police on race has reached a fever pitch. There have been the deaths by the hands of policemen of Philando Castille, Alton Sterling, Freddie Gray, Mike Brown, and Eric Garner. This has started two movements. Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter. This has popped up in pop culture with the movies Straight Outta Compton, and now the new movie Detroit.
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[@maudepotvin8660]

That blue tie guy is the perfect example of the problem ...

[@BatmanAlChristian]

+Maude Potvin He WAS the problem. He's an old school cop. Again, we're getting away from this.

[@bradwilcox8251]

+Maude Potvin I agree. He seems to not get it.

[@bradwilcox8251]

+Al Christian I'm glad. Like with any problem people have to acknowledge there is a problem before it can be fixed. Police have a very tough job that I could not and would not want to do. Dealing with the trash criminals of society but also the tragedies of the victims. But at the same time, the judicial system is not fair towards minorities or the poor.

[@jeanblack1250]

Maude Potvin Yes. Very complacent and ignorant.

[@williamjames4031]

Al Christian So is the policing changing.

[@slickshuzz]

If u agree with the white guy with a blue tie do us a favour and dont be a cop.

[@mattthedestroyer2804]

Lion Heart what did he say was wrong?

[@drislady]

Lion Heart EXACTLY

[@ritacasaverde]

and don't reproduce! :)

[@CocaineDragon]

Yeah, I'm not agreeing. As a police officer I don't and shouldn't treat people like that.

[@Darltk]

I agree with that. Police are not the problem. People that are like him being a police are.

[@Journeybacktoself]

"Not supposed to be there"? Wow.

[@MrPeep-vn1kp]

He acts like he is living in the 1700s

[@andrewstaples7544]

He must not know that we're living in a different era and gentrification is a big thing now

[@mscardioqueen]

That white officer in the blue tie is in massive denial about race relations between officers and citizens. Why does he assume that protestors are not educated and don't have jobs? Why does he think that protestors who are calling for a better justice sytem is a horrible thing? He is the reason why BLM exist. It clearly states in The Constituion and The Bill of Rights that American citizens have the right to move about freely in their own country. When someone is giving you attitude it's because that person recognizes that you are unfairly targeting them by race - which you just admitted to. His attitude is shameful! And there are plenty of other officers who think just the way he does. They are not the exception, they are definitely the rule.

[@user-ci4cw1kn3k]

mscardioqueen All the case involve white civilian getting shot by cop are much more controversial and no one cares. I personally live in a country where cops are so scared to get sued they pretty much are scared to use any force. But places are different, america believe or not is one of the most dangerous developing country in the world.

[@loki2240]

Vahaki Walahu - Yes, it's terrible that even "white" Americans generally don't care enough about police misconduct against "white" Americans. Like the uniformed officer suggested, it will take "white" Americans to make significant positive changes in American policing (they're the overwhelming majority of Americans, and they have the most political and economic power).

[@YoureRightIThink]

@@loki2240 I mean, it sure is an issue but I'd say the reason they don't care as much as violence against black Americans is because it's definitely not racially motivated.

[@estellew4773]

"If they are not supposed to be there" What on earth? Since when does a complete stranger have the right to dictate whether or not a person is supposed to be in a certain area based on their race?

[@aileen1054]

all i heard from blue tie guy is oink oink

[@sacreed1]

Anyone that thinks that should be on a list of people that should be ignored when calling for the police. Also Capitalism is best thing humanity has ever created

[@traceuse13]

Archie Archius ew.

[@sacreed1]

You are using technology that was made by capitalism to comment on this KZbin channel so you could comment "Ew". Stop being so small minded.

[@saveusmilkboy]

@@sacreed1 Help me out for a bet: Do you identify as a US American? The unnuanced, propagandist way you talk of capitalism sounds like it...

[@sacreed1]

@@saveusmilkboy I'm not American. Guess you lost that bet.

[@preciseb98]

Cop in the blue tie just told on himself. You can’t be stopped unless there is reason of suspicion of committing a crime

[@thunderjavelin4478]

wrong place, wrong time is good enough

[@CassieGrey21]

Wrong skin color too, huh?

[@thunderjavelin4478]

don't make excuses for yourself, being in the wrong place at the wrong time is bad for anyone.

[@JokerL1000]

Facts

[@brendon3605]

Jamillah Bailey that cop is great, we need more common sense cops like him to catch criminals.

[@pervasivedoubt150]

I don’t know if anything extra was edited out, but the blue tie guy’s reason for joining the police was simply that his father was a cop as well, whereas the other white guy’s reason was to do the right thing and help people. Really shows a difference in their motivation

[@VenusCortez]

the white guy with the blue tie...YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!

[@GoogleUser-wy2vv]

I was happy to hear the police with the hat that said " blacks are not protesting for nothing..." Thank you for recognizing our humanity! It is not hard to say you feel hurt...and it is not easy.

[@Bellfire05]

The one police office that said if he saw some Black guys in a White neighborhood so goes behind to talk to them. He's what's wrong. There shouldn't be a neighborhood that people are't welcomed. The guys could be visiting friends and to admit that you feel that people shouldn't go where the people are a different skin tone scares me. He's actually saying that segregation makes sense to him. Now granted maybe he grew up a certain way and his fear or ignorance or both have taken over his mind; but he's suppose to be there for everyone. He's asking them what's up when he knows that's either a friendship saying or a mockery saying. When you don't like someone don't try to so call identify with them, just stick to hello. Don't go up like you trying to instigate a problem just ask if you feel you have to but leave out the hood speak and remember that they have fears just as much as you do because you have a gun.

[@ShaudaySmith]

Weatherspoon (the black detective) touched on something i really hate about many Police departments and that's the "in group" and "out group" mentality. If the other cops don't like you, if you are not part of their club of unconditional support, than you are hard pressed to receive ANY support when you need it. Good luck getting back up from those who think you are not "part of the crew." It's so terrible and toxic and very reminiscent of gang mentalities where accountability is suppressed and individuals feel locked in system that they ultimately have no control and cannot affect real change.

[@Mr._Moderate]

They sound like a bunch of bad birds flocking together. It reminds me of the movie "the glass shield"

[@truettadevil]

That Italian guy who came from a family of cops... that's NYC racist policing in a NUTSHELL.

[@jenniferriley7842]

Italian racist cop every Italian I ever met was racist I'm born and raised in bkny

[@michaelhayes8989]

@@jenniferriley7842 As an Italian that grew up Italian I never saw an Italian being rasist to anyone, now being in the mafia thats different.

[@nandiiimakeda]

That blue tie guy needs to go like now

[@DmaskMan]

NO GREAT MOUNTAINS OF FOOD CAN FILL US UP AS THAT OF A TEASPOON OF LOVE, FOR BLACK FOR WHITE FOR ALL RACE. UNITY IN THESE TIME IS STRENGTH.

[@kadijabah248]

That guy in the blue tie really proves how corrupt the police system is, for him to say that he sounds delusional. My white friends come to my house all the time to study and watch movies, and I go to there house to do the same. For him to assume if a white person is going to a black neighborhood that means they are there for illegal activities with black kids. I’m done 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️. He sounds so stupid for saying, to go find a job instead of protesting, my friend a job is not going to stop racism against black and people of color.

[@CatchTheFishy93]

Dude in the blue tie is exactly what is wrong with cops

[@seialofia]

I've never really heard a cop's perception on race, but now that I have it's very interesting to hear what they had to say on the issue.

[@RuleofFive]

The police officer in the blue tie made an incredible statement......Eric Garner had died the year before and he tried to minimize the problem as if to say 'its no big deal'......it IS a big deal officer......

[@oliverhaze4878]

I think the older dude with the dreads needs a mean glass of water

[@christinata4737]

The man with locs has beautiful skin and features 😍

[@donnellpool6239]

In the 80s & 90s we used to walk long distance in bunches like 10 of us going through neighborhoods to go play basketball .

[@roach7017]

i've been pulled over for being white in a non-white neighborhood twice. Both times I was not there for drugs, once i was visiting friends and another i was dropping off a friend. and both of these instances where after 2010.

[@alvallac2171]

*were

[@gooberaureliusmaximusiii6638]

Interesting

[@dave9040]

1:59 ... unbelievable

[@gooberaureliusmaximusiii6638]

“What’s up guys” doesn’t seem too harmful to me

[@Darltk]

Police are not the problem. Attitudes like the guy in the Blue tie is the problem. No clue. Stuck in his ways.

[@danthomas6587]

I love that name Weatherspoon.

[@patrickjenkins9167]

🗿🇺🇸 Well, since there's no lack of comments about that (1) cop who appears to have stepped right out of a Spike Lee movie, I'd like to mention the (2) women: 😗🥀 Both seem to be fair AND thoughtful. My Point: There are ALSO cops out there like them! (San Francisco/May 26, 2018)

[@arid3595]

This was 4 years ago. Holy crap.

[@bobsmith1292]

This needs to go viral NOW. September 2020.

[@abdulgafarmuhiadinmohamed9177]

i see white privilege and colonial idea in the white guy with the blue tie

[@jordanas3750]

What would be good in redoing the exact piece with the same individual and saying five years later do you now understand the dynamics of not being wordy of life or worthy of inclusivity now versus what your perspective was five years ago . It would be interesting to see if there was any change when the idea of implicit bias has now become full and apparent in the discourse of policing .

[@lukesoren7688]

the woman in the pink girl and the officer that was in uniform are why I want to become a police officer! change starts with police officers first

[@yamulambapretorius753]

I am sorry, but the Caucasoid (white) male cop with a dark suit, white shirt, light blue tie, well-groomed, short grayish dark hair, glasses, he seems as if he is in 50's. This person made an irrational ("not smart") comment, when saying he would stop a person he saw walking in a neighborhood most people are of his particular race. E.g. a Caucasoid person walking in a neighborhood where most people are of African-American ancestry or vice-versa an African-American walking in a neighborhood where most people there at of European ancestry. You cannot stop only based on his race!! It is none of your business! Unless they are suspects or have commited a crime. Pre-conceived assumptions about people, races produces a "finished" product called bad policing, because it based on stereotypes, profiling and so on. Society in America doesn't need more cops like that. Sorry!!!!

[@yazminsmileyface]

"An aura that doesn't exist" aree you seriouss!?!?!?

[@bernieezell8330]

Thanks for this video, this need to be known nation wide we need change in all states no more talk

[@teotronia]

i walk up to cops in blue ties all the time and i ask "what's up blue tie cop guys you up to no good?" and if they answer with a weird attitude i know they are criminals

[@sebbrown2995]

That’s guy in blue is really blind and dismissive

[@Mr._Moderate]

The cop with blue tie is the guy that calls in sick when he knows there's an upcoming ComRel (ComRel) event

[@IAMDJECKO]

i knew i was going to hear some unintelligent, ignorant **** before i pressed play.

[@amcfadden813]

@Maude Potvin , which one there are two guys with blue ties.

[@Desvil]

+Angelina Mcfadden the not very smart one

[@peperruti]

+Angelina Mcfadden The one which is white race. This so unfortunate and sad by the way.

[@rahninothingmore.718]

everyone except that white guy with 👓 made sense. edit him out of the video.

[@NekoMouser]

No, don't ever edit him out of the video. Pretending his point of view doesn't exist doesn't help. Shine a light on it. Say, "see, this is part of the problem and here's precisely why what he is saying is detrimental and harmful."

[@Acidfunkish]

NekoMouser Exactly. It highlights the problem in a way that couldn't be done otherwise. It also highlights the good ideas and better attitudes of all of the other people. Turning a blind eye doesn't fix the problem, it only prevents you from seeing it come up behind you.

[@traceuse13]

The white lady in the pink shirt wasn't as big of a part of the problem but some of the things she said were really problematic too.

[@Acidfunkish]

Chabaa Mind explaining what? I didn't notice anything really problematic from her, besides the view that police shouldn't be the focus of the protests; they're the ones with the power - which has been abused, time and time again - and guns in major city centres, so yes, they deserve the focus.

[@traceuse13]

LittleMaliceManny Exactly. I mean she wasn't awful but it's like she was trying to absolve the police of guilt. Trying to save face.

[@CocaineDragon]

All these retired officers. It'd be nice to have currently employed officers interviewed. I'm a currently employed police officer and life's a little different for us.

[@JayneMariefromDet]

"protesting against an order that doesn't exist." "An order" is an interesting choice of words. Which order is he referring to? The KKK? "Order" not the most obvious choice of word. Seems he has something very specific in mind when he said that.... like a kid defending against an accusation that was never lobbied because of guilt.

[@papoosesullendove9798]

Conversation is a start.

[@MrPeep-vn1kp]

The older white officer with the mustache should school the guy with the blue tie with the glasses

[@movementsNYC]

Sad

[@breeyatchful]

5:40 min- i need this dude to run for president.

[@Auswo77]

I'm hispanic/latino and a police officer has never spoken to me randomly.

[@kyahowens9156]

Something that doesnt exist? Why so angry? Buddy we've been frustrated for centuries. 🙄😐

[@Desvil]

i believe we just saw a police man thats messed up...nice one NYT ...like

[@preciseb98]

These older police officers are making me nervous. Don’t want them to get hurt on the job

[@LukaDonesnitch]

Everybody keeps saying the guy in the Blue tie, two guys have on Blue ties just say the white cop already LOL.

[@ellabrown6442]

Blue tie, has proved what Any Black Person complains about with the Police... He's the perfect example of who "NOT" to hire from the training.

[@danthomas6587]

Could it be the 13 to 19 week training American police cadets receive compared to the 130 week training European police receive?

[@dunckang]

im here here

[@cloudburstt]

You know what, I'm not mad at this.

[@anarodriguez6549]

the suit guy I love sm

[@BoiseyMusic]

Man if this ain’t prevalent now.

[@guilrito8127]

The guy in the blue tie shouldn’t be a police officer

[@davidanthony4845]

The young lady chained and stuffed into the cruiser on the railroad tracks HAD a job, and much good it did her ! Perhaps she has something legitimate to protest now, even by his standards.

[@praise4291]

Dude in 5:17 got his answer in 5:33

[@basedbuddha777]

I'll have this link on standby whenever I see someone with the hashtag ACAB. Smh.

[@lcfree89]

If everything Glenn Cunningham (blue tie) said before 2:18 was left out, would be still "be a part of the problem?"

[@Parkvwv]

The guy in the blue tie: “I don’t target black people BUT...”

[@theunbutcheredcats]

Glenn Cunningham. Lets not forget his name.

[@abbyayala9205]

one of this cops needs to go. i pick the white dude with the blue tie

[@BicycleFunk]

Glenn literally said he racially profiles people, but then calls US crazy for thinking that cops go out and racially profile people. wut??

[@buckbuck4074]

Everyone keeps saying the guy in the blue tie.... Isn't that singling out? The problem has to be fixed in elementary schools.

[@wargriffin5]

Mr. Blue-tie doth protest a bit too much. 🤨

[@Gipsy134]

5 people in total, 4 speaking truth, and 1 yelling nonsense, but for that 1 there are another 2 like him that are not shown in the video

[@BoRerunn]

Why are COPS wife beaters ???

[@cruzdeleon1888]

Heads up...guy in the Blue tie no good

[@evelynfelix7928]

blue tie guy left me with my mouth opened. but this is normal mentality for alot of police officers.

[@dunckang]

different guy seriously :)

[@dunckang]

i was trapped

[@SizzlacollinsKalonjimiguel1]

So are we all crazy all stupid or all liars?

[@francismausley7239]

Law & Order personnel need specialized spiritual training (Social Justice, Human Rights, Oneness of Mankind, Prejudice Elimination etc. etc.) “Regard man as a mine rich in gems of inestimable value. Education can, alone, cause it to reveal its treasures, and enable mankind to benefit there from.” ~ Baha'u'llah, Baha'i Faith

[@JaredLand]

Law & Order #FBICBSRules

[@victoriabell3510]

blue tie white guy legit questioning ppl bc they're black? terrible...

[@piriurwin9153]

Blue tie lol

[@jacoboellobo]

The thing is, first of all, those rich neighborhoods that were initially there from the backs of slavery to begin with. The American economy today was made from first, the stealing and genocide of the Native Americans, to the forced importation of Africans to do slave labor on American lands. The blacks were seperated through racial district lines to live in poor places. Poor education, etc. Anyway moving to modern day time. What happens if a group of black people happened to be two or three bothers and another black friend getting together to go look at the rich neighborhood for ideas on what kind of house they may want to live in when they get rich in the future from a company they will own? They may want inspiration of where they will want to live? Then a cop car pulls up with stereotypical rumors in the policemen's mind. Instantly racially profiling them and telling them to pull to the curve? What if there was traffic on the highway so they just took the backstreet and drove through a town? C'mon.

[@clauaome25]

White guy in blue tie I guess we're not a free country anymore.

[@jakewhoskate]

A police officer told me he pulled me over because "Mexicans usually have drugs"

[@Naturepresence]

Now I know what yall mean with that Blut tie guy 😔🤢🤮

[@dunckang]

yeye is

[@craigmorrison5544]

2:00 bruh.

[@sideshowbob6416]

Blue tie guy is a terrible police officer

[@n.s.raleigh4162]

Glenn is the Karen of white cops.

[@listeninghere]

Where is the conversation from the bigotted police officers? Where are the #'s of thefts, drug-related crime, and weapons issues in relation to color and economically challenged neighborhoods? What are the facts and what are false beliefs? Makes no sense for bodycams to ever be turned off.

[@j.johnson7891]

Thanks for that incoherent mess NYT

[@Osomsauce]

Guy in blue tie got it right !

[@noellemarie1450]

all my homies hate glenn cunningham

[@JayneMariefromDet]

This is such a good reflection of the real issues in the police department. You have all these cops talking about real issues, then you have this one cop denying everything, saying " you don't belong" and then saying protesters need to go to college and get jobs. What? We have jobs, we went to college. That's what you think of protesters? We're a nuisance, trouble makers, uneducated, shiftless, whatever poor description you can project onto us to subtract from our credibility, our character, and ignore our cause. Are you intimidated that educated, productive members of society have a problem with how you police them and their children? All these other cops are being reasonable, thinking about the issues, the questions of rules and lawfulness, what they've observed int he department and the community, AND THIS GUY! He's the cop we're scared of and he doesn't just exist in our imagination. There are more of him out there. If you could screen out cops who think like him or teach and make policies based on what these other cops are saying, we'd be a police - community relations would improve dramatically. Trust would go up; co-operation would go up. It all starts with being seen as and treated like humans and people with rights who just want to be protected and helped.

[@aryeh3701]

They use to pull me over like 5 times a day during my college days but could not give me a ticket.

[@rubyscott6685]

The white cop in the blue tie seems to be a retired Spider-Man with fully functioning spider senses. If that’s true, I think the police dept. needs to publish this secret list of where black people are supposed to be.

[@CocaineDragon]

Wanna know something funny? They really stick to it. I'm a police officer and have been removed at work, in uniform because I was a black (person) officer in a major and wealthy white neighbourhood. We've arressted these guys but we can't always do it alone. They're so embarassed when they realize we can do it.

[@dunckang]

sheheee

[@deedeedesir]

This guy in the blue tie 😒......👎🏾 not real

[@meltedpoo0987]

And yet again a piece that completely ignores income inequality and how that factors in an incredible amount more than race.

[@platterjockey]

Somebody tell that cop in the blue tie that it isn't his place to judge where people should belong. Cops like him are why there is a Black Lives Matter movement.

[@macismithopolou7952]

bless the man in the blue tie's heart...