A Critical Analysis of Shadow Weaver's Arc From A She-Ra Fan (Part 4)

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Joye Everett

Joye Everett

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This video went through production hell due to the length and my crappy recording/editing software, but here it is at last! The conclusion will be written next week. Afterward I'm going to be taking a break from these scripted videos due to having entered the "crunch time" phase for Starwalker, so be expecting art for the next month or so till I have the spoons. Next on my analysis list is Divergent...and it may or may not be as critical as you think.
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Fair use principles under Section 107 of the Copyright Act allow the unlicensed use of copyrighted materials for fair use purposes, such as commentary, criticism, teaching, and news reporting. I make no money off of this video. All rights for clips and music go to Noelle Stevenson, Sunna Wehrmeijer, DreamWorks, and Netflix.
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Thank you for watching, and God bless you all!

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@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 3 жыл бұрын
As I was editing, I realized there was another counterargument people could give regarding Shadow Weaver and Micah: if he wasn't originally supposed to return, the Light Spinner episode can ONLY be read as manipulative, since there would be no reason to continue her arc like that in the first place. In response to this, here are a few points to consider: 1. The Light Spinner episode is STILL ambiguous, whether or not Micah returns. I stand by this and my argument does not require retconning to support it. 2. The scripts were not written very far apart and the retconning did not take place too long after the Light Spinner episode would have been wrapped. Therefore, there was plenty of opportunity to apply the necessary changes. 3. I prefer to look at what the show itself presents as a whole, and ignore the production process when considering what we got vs. what they intended. Both as a part and as a whole, the Light Spinner episode and Micah's return do seem to foreshadow him being a potential support for her. Thus, I think the production process doesn't remove the foreshadowing for their relationship that is presented to us, even if it was unintentional. It also explains Shadow Weaver's halfhearted "redemption by death" arc, since they weren't originally planning to do it. Makes you wonder if the original ending would have been better or worse.
@alexanderseaman5155
@alexanderseaman5155 3 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of reasons why fans would feel more sympathy for Catra than Shadow. Probably the biggest reason is that Catra expressed and displayed remorse for her actions. Whereas Shadow Weaver never did (except for her death scene perhaps). Then there's the fact that Catra shared the main character spot with Adora and audiences tend to identify with and have most sympathy for characters that we see the most. As for why the characters in the show are so reluctant to trust Shadow Weaver.... The dark sorceress was a member of the Horde for decades, and apparently Hordak's Second in Command for most of that time. Which means she has been a leader of the enemy forces for most of the characters lifetimes. Heck Shadow Weaver tortured Glimmer in a Season One episode.
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderseaman5155 I certainly have no issue whatsoever with people disliking Shadow Weaver. My problem, as I mentioned in the video, is the *show* being biased against her. It’s 100% okay for the gang not to trust her, but here’s the issue: objectively, I can’t tell (and I’m not alone in this) whether the show is framing them as correct or not. I.e, it’s left purposely ambiguous as to whether Shadow Weaver can be trusted and just needs to be given an actual *chance*, or if she’s being a freak and the characters are right not to trust her. I’m not trying to imply that Shadow Weaver should have been trusted right off the bat, because the main characters don’t know the woman she used to be. But I find it extremely unfair to kill her off as if she turned her nose up at the idea of redemption, when she was never really given a support group to begin with. I stand firmly by the idea that she could have reconciled with Micah, if no one else. That’s what I’m criticizing here - the clear bias and the way they force a suicidal sacrifice - not audience opinions.
@alexanderseaman5155
@alexanderseaman5155 3 жыл бұрын
@@joyeeverett6196 I get where your coming from. Personally I think that it would have been more consistent with what we saw of Shadow Weaver's character up to that point if she had betrayed rather than sacrificed herself for Adora and Catra. Although I have to admit it would have been kinda clichéd too 🤔
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderseaman5155 I can see that too. I think they kind of boxed her into a redemption arc after Adora saved her life (it’s a clear picture of grace and feels hollow in retrospect).
@loganbrookshire6438
@loganbrookshire6438 2 жыл бұрын
ok when did shadow weaver touch adara's stomak?
@mazsolagomboc
@mazsolagomboc 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting this out there, I think it takes courage to stand up for this take on Shadow Weaver's character when the creators and most of the fandom are so biased against her. These videos helped me understand why I was so confused when her arc got stuck and why I felt something was so "off" about it. I understand that she was supposed to represent the abusive caretakers and the trauma they caused that hold us back from connecting to our true selves. I think this is why so many people hate her, her character is a target to project all the bitterness and pain that so many of us have gone through by the hands of manipulative people-and this is understandable. I also get that her death was supposed to be symbolic so that Catra and Adora "break free" to be themselves. And I think that's okay, but it could have been done better. My biggest problem is that the way her character is portrayed lacks moral nuance (she is basically "just purely evil") - the show is sending the message that abusers don't get to have the chance for healing or being seen as human beings (after all, often they are wounded humans too, and that is a fact, not an excuse for their actions) Yes, we don't know if Shadow W. would *choose* to do the work of healing, but the chance is not even offered to her, because as you said, she "crossed the arbitrary line of morality that the creators set up for her". This is just so wrong, offers nothing new about the portrayal of villains on screen and further deepens the wounds and hatred that many abuse victims carry towards our abusers, it's kind of like oil to the fire. That being said, I understand that for many people, hating her character is an outlet for their own trauma and this is a really sensitive topic, so I'm not here to tell how she is supposed to be interpreted by everyone... But my view is that her character arc (and the subsequent comments by the creators) is sending a very unwholesome and harmful message that abusers are basically not human and they are not worthy enough to be seen as such. This is an understandable take by someone who is biased themselves, but I completely agree with you that her arc should have been handled by someone who's able to see a character like hers more clearly. I have yet to see a more wholesome and realistic take on villains on screen, in general! That being said I love She-Ra and I think on the whole it's amazing and beautiful! And thank you so much for these videos :)
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with all of that. I understand the message they were going for, but suicide is NOT the way to show abuse victims breaking free. It’s sick as hell to people like me who are struggling to survive constantly. Ever since Season 4 her arc felt off, but I didn’t realize how seriously broken it was till the last season.
@luc-i-guess
@luc-i-guess 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy these videos. It can be hard to look at things frankly, especially a piece of media you enjoy, and be able to pick it apart in the way you do. Dang good job!
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I am a huge fan of She-Ra and Shadow Weaver, but I had extreme issues both with the show's handling and with Noelle's comments. I tried to lean mostly on what the show presents, but I used Noelle's statements to back up my interpretations and criticisms. I could have said a lot more about her gross comments, but some of it isn't relevant and this isn't meant to be a bashing session on the creator. Just on the content.
@luc-i-guess
@luc-i-guess 3 жыл бұрын
@@joyeeverett6196 Honestly was very shocked by her comment, and it took me a bit to even process. I always hoped more from Shadow Weaver, especially since, as you've already stated, the show took on nicer redemptions arcs for other villains (cough cough, Hordak & Catra). As someone who definitely has a bad relationship with their mother, I can understand where Noelle is coming from, but I can also understand that it's such a flawed philosophy. In the context of the show it is it very hypocritical. And in a moral context it's distasteful and actually dangerous rhetoric. Can't wait for part 5!
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 3 жыл бұрын
@@luc-i-guess I think that what made my stomach twist was the comment that Weaver’s death was a “gift”. I have been in the hospital on suicide watch before and that was my exact reasoning. If I hadn’t had someone to pull me out of that mindset, I would have died based on a lie. And here she is…promoting that mindset. After that I lost respect for her. Sorry about your mom. I had a rough time with my dad growing up, and he changed - now we have a healthy relationship. I know that anyone can change. I hate that the writers disagreed.
@luc-i-guess
@luc-i-guess 3 жыл бұрын
@@joyeeverett6196 Anyone can change! Exactly that. Very sorry about your mental health struggles, and very happy that you and those around you were able to work through it. That "gift" comment really cemented this writer as ill-informed and disrespectful in my mind, which is a shame because the content she helped create could've been so much more with a better understanding of human psyche. Anyway hope you're doing well and doing what brings you joy!
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 3 жыл бұрын
@@luc-i-guess goodness, for sure. Thank you for the kind words!
@siegeheavenly3601
@siegeheavenly3601 Жыл бұрын
Now I understand the source material for Starwalker better.
@xxxhentaiqueenxxx9809
@xxxhentaiqueenxxx9809 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos about SW's arc is great, I never thought it that way, now I cant see her death the same as before. But I wanna say few things I took from SW's as an character. 1. She tries to make up from her mistake with Micah with Adora and Glimmer. Even if her ways are wrong, I think she want's to fill the hole in her black heart. 2. She despises Catra because of herself. She hates herself for what she's done and what she's come, but she doesn't know how or doesn't want to aknwoledge that. Also it was hinted that while she was at the sorceress guilt she was never listened. We also dont know anything from her the time before she was in Mystacor. Catra just happened to have really bad luck with Weaver. 3. I just thought her joining the horde was weirdly done. She just walks there and demands to speak with Hordak. What I had done would have made her be in exile and being captured by the horde. Then she would have to bargain or convince Hordak she has use for him. Something I wanted to say and I would gladly discuss more.
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 2 жыл бұрын
I agree on Point 1 to an extent (I think she was extremely abusive and horrible to Adora, my first video explains why), and all of Part 2, but I do want to discuss part 3. Because I agree there’s a flaw there. Shadow Weaver joined the Horde of her own free will and that’s the entire point. Her mind has been twisted by the Spell of Obtainment, and she’s now a power hungry parasite. My issue with that scene, however, is that there’s not enough blatant context to help us see that. Thus you still have people arguing about the Spell of Obtainment and that episode almost 2 years after the show was finished. It’s not good writing.
@xxxhentaiqueenxxx9809
@xxxhentaiqueenxxx9809 2 жыл бұрын
​@@joyeeverett6196 In my 1st point I never ment to downplay her actions.Yeah and my 3rd point was my own things in my head. I just wanted more context for that. I just felt the writers didnt know what the do with the show half the time and it felt rushed in a places where it should not have been rushed. For me the moment Micah and Weaver meet in the finale of season 4 they just exchanged few lines and its not brought up again. One of the examples
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 2 жыл бұрын
@@xxxhentaiqueenxxx9809 My bad! I misunderstood then. Yes, I agree. I think that either that was the case, or Noelle got a stranglehold on the show in the latter half (this is DEFINITELY true in Season 5), and she has severe bias against Shadow Weaver according to those quotes I pulled. It's pretty sad.
@xxxhentaiqueenxxx9809
@xxxhentaiqueenxxx9809 2 жыл бұрын
@@joyeeverett6196 Yeah, 100% agree. Shadow Weaver deserved an better redemption arc. Also I feel like they had bad filler episodes during the whole series. In season 5 the perils of peekablue felt unnecessary and in the end it didnt help them at all. Instead they could have used that episode focus more on Catra's redemption. And Weaver should have been central character in season 5
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 2 жыл бұрын
@@xxxhentaiqueenxxx9809 I think that the Spinnetossa subplot could have been cut, the Star siblings could have been cut, Peekablue could have been cut, the thing with Bow's dads could have been cut, and the Elberon subplot could be reworked so Micah's dynamic was with Shadow Weaver. Yes, there was a lot of filler in season 5. In the earlier seasons? I can only think of three actual episodes (Roll With It, the first Bow's dads episode, and Protocol could have been cut or reworked) that were filler.
@alexanderseaman5155
@alexanderseaman5155 3 жыл бұрын
Even though I think you have some good points, Shadow Weaver is still my favorite villain from the series.
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 3 жыл бұрын
I actually love Shadow Weaver. I just don’t like how the writers handled her. She is by far my favorite character.
@nicholasmocalis589
@nicholasmocalis589 6 ай бұрын
I don't believe shadow weaver would sacrifice Adoras life once Adora gets the power or magic to defeat Horde Prime because shadow weaver knows Adora would survive the failsafe due to being she ra. However Shadow weaver would simply take the magic from Adora at a later date without killing Adora after Horde Prime is defeated because Shadow weaver understands that if Horde Prime wins she will be mind controlled or worse. Hence it would stay consistent with shadow weavers character from the previous seasons while still caring about Adoras life in an abusive way. What is inconsistent in season 5 from the previous seasons is that the show tells Adora to not forgive both Catra and Shadow weaver in season 3 and 4 to display how similar both Catra and shadow weaver are in terms of being evil but for different reasons. For Catra she is a self serving person who wants things to go a certain way for her by any means necessary (which includes forcing a romantic relationship to happen with Adora by wanting her love or destroying kingdoms and villages to get Adoras attention) and if it does not work out than Catra will fly into temper tantrums or depression while for shadow weaver in the previous seasons she is selfish because of her desire of survival or personal benefit for herself when she either works for the Horde or rebellion while also craving Adoras power. Catra feels entitled to Adoras love or forgiveness without earning it while shadow weaver craves Adoras power for personal gain. Both characters are not good at all morally but if someone were to put a gun to my head and I had to chose who is better I would pick shadow weaver because of the severity of both characters actions. Shadow weaver didn't pull a switch that would destroy reality or destroy entire kingdoms out of spite and desire for 1st place against Adora with innocent etherian lives on the line.
@C.L.G._Artisa
@C.L.G._Artisa 2 жыл бұрын
I just finished watching all four parts for the third time, & I still agree with you on pretty much everything you've touched upon. I hope you are doing well, & I eagerly await the fifth & final part of this little series of yours. ^u^👍🌠 Honestly, you're making me wanna draw Shadow Weaver, Micah, & even your persona, lol. cx
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow! Thanks for watching! :) I’m doing okay - have been struggling with mental health but that’s nothing new. I will likely make the video soon once my throat heals from allergies.
@C.L.G._Artisa
@C.L.G._Artisa 2 жыл бұрын
@@joyeeverett6196 - You're welcome! Hope your throat feels better real soon! 🙂👍🌠
@dariam.7931
@dariam.7931 3 жыл бұрын
Hello! This video was a great watch) thanks for making it! On the topic of sacrifice vs suicide. Under what conditions/context in your opinion a sacrifice doesn't glorify suicide? Or cannot be read as suicidal? And, in case the sacrifice was partially or fully driven by suicidal thoughts, how it can be handled respectfully? Is that possible or is a theme of suicide rooted in this trope? (Um. I guess I might have asked too much loaded questions. It's okay if you can't answer some or all of them, for any personal reason. The part of the video where you discussed sacrifice trope just made me realise that I'm extremely uninformed on the topic; and as a writer I want to learn on Crew-ra's mistakes so I don't repeat them in my writings.) Anyway, I'm waiting patiently for your next video! Have a good day!
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 3 жыл бұрын
This is a great question I should have touched on in the video. To answer it, let’s do some contrasting of Angella’s and Shadow Weaver’s sacrifices. When Angella sacrificed herself, her arc completed itself. It wasn’t left hanging in the balance and she did not sacrifice herself out of guilt or sorrow. She did it because she loved Adora and didn’t want her to sacrifice *herself* instead. Additionally, the show acknowledges that her sacrifice was a morally good thing and she’s treated as a hero afterward. Contrast Shadow Weaver. Her arc isn’t even addressed until “Shot in the Dark” and even then they offer her NO point of view time to develop her motives and struggles. The only time she makes a definite attitude change is after Adora tells her she’ll never forgive her and she just ruins people. Soon after, Shadow Weaver sacrifices herself saying “it’s too late for me”. She did it because she felt terrible over her actions and believed there was no redemption for her, because no one would accept her ever again. The contrast is that Angella had a fulfilled life that she chose to lay down for Adora because she loved her, and Shadow Weaver was in emotional distress and laid her life down because she believed that was all she could do. Even then, redemption wasn’t granted for that one act; the characters never acknowledge what she did for them, ever. TL;DR: loving sacrifice and redemption by death are two distinctive tropes, and sacrifice vs suicide are also different. Sacrifice is always because you understand what you have to lose and you’re doing it because you love the person involved. Suicide is always because you HAVE nothing left to lose *in your mind, and you do it because you see no way to continue living, and it’s linked to mental illness and disturbance (which it’s canon Shadow Weaver is mentally ill, most people agree with this even if we disagree on the DX). And as I said, these definitions do overlap. That’s why I compared it to Chara - it’s a similar situation, but Chara’s suicide/sacrifice was never treated as a morally good thing in Undertale. Hopefully that made sense, haha.
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 3 жыл бұрын
So if you were trying to convey this in your stories, I would say that your options are basically anything. However, if you emulate Shadow Weaver’s suicide, don’t treat it as a morally good thing. There’s a really good similarity in the Stormlight Archive book series with King Elhokar (it’s not suicide but it’s similar), and of course, you can look more into Chara if you want to. Those are two similar cases where the suicide/unhealthy death was not framed as something they deserved or something that was good for them. Edit: or heck, even Jesus Christ as an example of loving sacrifice. In the Bible, He didn’t want to die (like he wasn’t depressed or mentally ill), but He was *willing* to die for us per the story. :)
@dariam.7931
@dariam.7931 3 жыл бұрын
@@joyeeverett6196 Yes, this makes sense! Thanks for the explanation!
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 3 жыл бұрын
@@dariam.7931 Yw! Mind if I use this question in the next video? I’ll go into more depth about Chara and Elhokar there, but ofc I’ll warn for spoilers in case you want to experience those stories for yourself.
@dariam.7931
@dariam.7931 3 жыл бұрын
@@joyeeverett6196 Of course you can! :)
@nicholasmocalis589
@nicholasmocalis589 7 ай бұрын
When looking over this video I believe that both Shadow weaver and Catra should deserve respect but not forgiveness. Forgiveness is the beginning process of reconciliation while respect means you allow the characters or people in general to heal without having to let them back into your lives. What the show does is contradict its own message from previous seasons since season 3 and 4 indicate that Catra and shadow weaver should not be forgiven but season 5 retcons those messages by saying shadow weaver deserves no forgiveness while Catra does. Actions speak louder than words and if Catras actions are as bad as shadow weavers or arguably worse than if Catra wants to heal (realistically) than she needs self respect which means others have no obligation to forgive her but that doesn't stop her from healing individually or if the main characters do forgive her (however unrealistic that may be in real life) than she needs to have a better motivation than wanting Adoras love and really take her problems seriously by rebuilding Etheria or trust with the other characters more often than the show presents. Plus she needs to value Adora as a person for her motivations opinions or goals while also taking her trauma into consideration not as a fix for her abandonment issues since the failsafe episode confirms that Catra is using Adora to fill her abandonment issues (also she doesn't seem to care that the universe is at stake and Adora needs emotional and physical support to stop Horde Prime) until melog convinces her to not do that and go back to Adora. A point which I kind of disagree with you is that season 5 actually promotes the idea that emotions or words count more than actions since shadow weaver committed less crimes than Catra but since Catra has stronger feelings or emotional reactions or is able to use her words when conveying her feelings more effectively it means we should forgive her and not shadow weaver no questions asked. It does not promote that innate worth comes from actions but through being able to use your words for emotional effect that ultimately matters since that saved Adoras life in season 5. If your perspective were the case than Shadow weaver would be the one who was forgiven not Catra since she committed less bad actions than Catra.
@kerokikun2784
@kerokikun2784 3 жыл бұрын
Great video👍🙂
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I worried I was too harsh. Honestly, if I could, I would go back and edit some of my sarcastic rants out - they weren’t necessary to making my point. But I’m actually really emotional over this because I loved Shadow Weaver so much, so maybe it was worth keeping them in. Who knows...my analyses are not going to be emotionless.
@nicholasmocalis589
@nicholasmocalis589 10 ай бұрын
Note: This is showing the hypocrisy of how some Catra fans treated Catra and shadow weavers arcs. Catra to the horde cadets in season 4: Some of you may die but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make and if I am going to I only sacrifice myself for Adora and nobody else. Also when I am rescued the only concern I have is being romantically involved with Adora and not much else. Fans: Give Catra her redemption and pop the 🍾. Shadow weaver killing herself in season 5 not expecting forgiveness from Catra and Adora: I may die but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make because it is right thing for Adora and Catra to live a peaceful life without me abusing them. Fans: Such a horrible person die die die!!!
@nicholasmocalis589
@nicholasmocalis589 10 ай бұрын
Good video overall. Especially when it comes to comparing how shadow weavers actions while bad are not quite as bad as Catras actions in the show. For me shadow weavers arc while being concerned for her own life at first in season 5 decides to kill herself later because the only people closest to her refused to love her even when providing the best advice she could given the circumstances to Adora so the decision makes sense while also feeling guilty for what she did. As sad and tragic as suicide is if the person believes there are no other options available to get better from that then those wishes have to be respected but if there are alternatives for the person to not be suicidal than call a psychologist, therapist or any other mental health professional.
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 10 ай бұрын
I do not agree that we should let people kill themselves. That’s not a good way to look at things.
@nicholasmocalis589
@nicholasmocalis589 10 ай бұрын
@@joyeeverett6196 It is a tricky subject since you are juggling whether the person wants to do it like assisting suicide where a person is in so much pain that you have to cut off life support for that individual or if the person wants to do it versus your willingness to prevent that from happening. Again it depends on the circumstances and I am not saying allowing all people who are suicidal to kill themselves but that in shadow weavers context alone it makes sense since the people who were closest to her refused to love or forgive her and that rejection hurt shadow weaver emotionally that there were not many options left for her. A different scenario is Bojack Horseman where he was suicidal due to his mental problems but he does have the tools and people around him to prevent himself from committing suicide.
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 10 ай бұрын
@@nicholasmocalis589 Shadow Weaver could have made new friends. There are more Etherians than just the main cast. I refuse to accept that suicide was the best option for her
@nicholasmocalis589
@nicholasmocalis589 10 ай бұрын
@@joyeeverett6196 I admire your willingness to give people more chances but in shadow weavers case how can she make different friends if she as a person only cared about a few people in her life that left the most positive impacts on her which are king Micach, Catra and Adora specifically? She tried to earn forgiveness but both Micach and Adora refused to forgive her and held onto their bitter feelings towards her while Adora hypocritically gave Catra the benefit of the doubt so I am only asking how is it possible for the Etherians to give her a chance when she betrayed them by working for the Horde? Even if possessed by dark magic I do not believe most Etherians would forgive shadow weaver for what she did. Even more importantly since Adora is considered the hero her perspective on shadow weaver is going to be reinforced by other Etherians as well which is sad to a degree but is going to happen regardless if shadow weaver kills herself or not. This is why I am saying shadow weaver doesn't have many options to emotionally heal once the war is over if she decides not to kill herself. It is a combination of shadow weavers flawed personality of overvaluing a few people closer to her for emotional satisfaction and the fact that the environmental circumstances she is in are not favorable for her to emotionally heal. You can disagree and that is completely justifiable.
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 10 ай бұрын
@@nicholasmocalis589 She can make new friends, and people don’t need friends for their lives to be worth living. I just have a higher view of the value of human life I suppose!
@xxxhentaiqueenxxx9809
@xxxhentaiqueenxxx9809 2 жыл бұрын
Hello again. Its been a while, but did you know she-ra (2018) bible is available to read? I don't know if you have already seen it, but its quite interesting one.
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 2 жыл бұрын
I have read it, and to be quite frank I’m skeptical that it’s real. Some of the things related to Shadow Weaver would check out, but I think I would need some harder evidence before I make a video. It is telling though that it originally painted Shadow Weaver as sympathetic and would’ve given her a full redemption.
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 2 жыл бұрын
Here’s a post that sums up my own feelings: dirt-apple-productions.tumblr.com/post/670223384235409408/i-definitely-agree
@xxxhentaiqueenxxx9809
@xxxhentaiqueenxxx9809 2 жыл бұрын
@@joyeeverett6196 Welp, its just me being hopeful that in alternate universe we would have gotten the show in the bible. Some things are just too good be true I guess...
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 2 жыл бұрын
@@xxxhentaiqueenxxx9809 yeah…
@nicholasmocalis589
@nicholasmocalis589 10 ай бұрын
I am wondering if you are going to do videos involving Adora and Catras arcs?
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 10 ай бұрын
I don’t think so. I’m not in the mood to get destroyed even further, lol.
@nicholasmocalis589
@nicholasmocalis589 10 ай бұрын
@@joyeeverett6196 That is good that you think and feel like that.
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 8 ай бұрын
I’ve thought it over and I may be doing this shortly.
@nicholasmocalis589
@nicholasmocalis589 8 ай бұрын
@@joyeeverett6196 That is great. As long as you are taking your time on it you will be ready for anything.
@niknok6039
@niknok6039 2 жыл бұрын
I hate noelle now (though I probably shouldn't)
@joyeeverett6196
@joyeeverett6196 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t hate people. Hate ideas.
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