A Critique of Feminism w/ Dr Abigail Favale

[@mandymoss5455]

I have never felt more relief listening to a Catholic woman speak. I don’t fit into the “sugary sweet” Catholic woman box - and I feel so alone in that. Until watching this! Thank you for being who God made you to be!

[@maddielopez8625]

I feel the same way! 🥰

[@catholicfemininity2126]

I always saw it that a woman must be more feminine than her husband or it's gonna not be as great for her or maybe it just won't work out. Very rarely have I seen a healthy marriage where the woman wore the pants and the men just were submissive didn't do much or was in the background........... usually the kids turned out not so great at all. If you're a manly woman, find an even more manly man. lol

[@angelalemos9811]

Don't think I classify as that either. Sugary sweet just isn't my personality in general, but I didn't know that Catholic women were viewed as that, interesting

[@maryangelica5319]

Same... I'm not keen on the overly saccharine presentations of femininity either.

[@anonymous-pi3oz]

@@catholicfemininity2126 only if the Man is an insecure loser, like 4chan RadTrads

[@emilyharrison631]

I'm a catholic who goes to a secular school in the UK and today I was in a biology lesson where we were learning about contraception and all i could think was why does our society feel the need to mess and pick at and manipulate mine and many other women's natural biology just to make us more like men? Girls just expect to consume all kinds of chemicals and medicines that affect not only their physical health but also their mental health just so they can do what society expects from them, which is to reject motherhood (their natural inclination)

[@EspadaKing777]

I agree, there is definitely an imbalance when it comes to contraception. My favorite example of this is that we have actually developed a male contraceptive pill. Do you want to know why it isn't sold, why it isn't available? Because it can cause extremely similar side-effects to the contraceptive pill that women take, but then men who tested it said they would vehemently refuse to take it. So side-effects we think are "acceptable" for women to potentially suffer are "unacceptable" for men to potentially suffer :/ I want more choices, more freedom and less societal judgement, whatever option you take. Even (and especially) if that option is "none of the above".

[@emilyharrison631]

@@EspadaKing777 That is so interesting that the men wouldn't tolerate the side affects and just goes to show the double standard that our society has and the harm contraception does to women (not necessarily physically all the time but spiritually for sure)

[@bearistotle2820]

@@EspadaKing777 Huh. Fancy that, something pushed to women as "liberation" is actually extremely harmful.

[@MidnightIsolde]

Yes. Impressive as the progress of science and medicine is, the question of just because we can doesn't mean we should come to mind. In regards to contraception, it seems like it's done just because we can, but with no thought of the cultural, emotional and spiritual consequences.

[@manorama12]

So TRUE

[@relentlessrhythm2774]

Instead of fighting for abortion rights, encourage men to practice chasity. That is truly more pro woman.

[@Wolfschanzeful]

Sure but let's be clear, biologically and historically women are the sexual gate keepers. Both genders need to be chaste but if you had to focus on one it should be women first.

[@catholicfemininity2126]

Don't forget teaching women to be chaste too. Men can''t have sex if women don't give it and expect more out of them. Like having men marry them first and having a stable career.

[@Bananaaaa765]

@@catholicfemininity2126 If you are only able so resist sin when you’re kept in this perfect social vacuum where you are prevented from ever encountering anything you might find remotely sexually titillating, that’s not an accomplishment, and it doesn’t make you a good person lol. The idea that if men are exposed to temptation, it’s only inevitable that they should fall, and, thus, the said fall is not really their fault, is honestly insulting to the dignity of men. Men are not animals. Women should be chaste, but at the end of the day, your sin is yours, and yours alone. Women are not responsible for policing men’s moral behavior. It’s not our job to move about the world in such a way as to ensure men are never faced with temptation so that there is zero opportunity for them to sin. Aren’t men supposed to be the spiritual “leaders” or whatever??? Then take responsibility and be a spiritual leader. Men like lavish in the benefits that come along with having a god-given authority over women without actually wanting to take on any of the responsibilities that that role brings.

[@philalcoceli6328]

Agreed and, at the same time, BOTH are necessary. Are chaste women having a direct and consistent trouble with abortion? NO! Do chaste men have a direct and consistent problem with abortion? NO! As long as abortion continues to be enthroned as a necessary evil sacrament, the attacks on and rejection of chastity (sexual maturity and control) will continue ever more intense to a catastrophic end.

[@kyledawson4535]

How about teach men and women to follow the bible.

[@meganwarr6258]

I taught at a public school and a private all girl's school. The most striking think was at Halloween. At the public school warnings were given about costumes that were too revealing and girls were often sent home because of their outfits not meeting the dress code, all to get the attention of boys. By the time I left that school costumes were completely banned. At the private, all-girl's school, Halloween was completely embraced by everyone, including the staff. The school had a uniform and Halloween was one of the few days they could be out of uniform. No one had to give warnings because no girl even tried to dress inappropriately. Instead, they tried to out do each other in creativity. I've never seen creative costumes like I did there. It was wonderful!

[@celestial-mq9sc]

All-girls schools are much better for girls! There have been studies done on this.

[@princeofthekylineskyline2984]

Catholics need more nuance. This channel is a blessing.

[@riaanvanzyl2275]

I am a South African. (Very Protestant and Pagan country). I am busy converting and this channel is such a hugh blessing! Thanks Matt!

[@abigailsullivan3078]

Tons of nuance.... just so long as you're following Catholic doctrine ;)

[@caz604]

What an incredible conversation. Both have shown Grace and Humility at the same time showing Intelligence and Confidence in the different topics of discussion. YES!!! We need more of these types of just natural talks. God Bless you both!

[@juliasumera2557]

One of the greatest interviews I’ve listened to lately. Wish every young woman could hear this message.

[@parkwalks8562]

Abigail- I relate to soo much of your experience aside from having bought into the current feminist ideology. I have 4 kids, about the same age as you, love star trek, and never cared about having children but because of my love of the church and my vocation to marriage open to life. Really enjoyed your take on feminism and masculinity. It's funny to feel close to someone you've never met; God bless you!

[@jonnynelson5734]

It's good to see people get out of cancel culture and come forward to tell how and why. God bless this young lady.

[@mandypittman1154]

Professor Favale is my people! I am enjoying this episode so so very much! Thank you Matt and Abigail for bringing this to the world.

[@frankjamesiii5362]

So grateful to God that my Fiance was already catholic when I converted.

[@josephzammit8483]

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[@mitchellstephaniamorales6242]

I see myself in this young woman, thank you for telling us your story. I came back to the faith after 5 years of leaving the church and becoming a neopagan. I was very much in the same boat of taking the femenism pill in my high-school and early college days. I returned to the church and even did my confirmation this past Holy Saturday. My conversion is still underway, but i thank God for calling me back in 2020. God bless you all.

[@CatholicChar]

This was a delightful interview! Thanks, Dr. Abigail Favale and Matt Fradd!

[@danielkrcmar5395]

2:30 So I'm single and never been married but one of the best descriptions I've heard for this is to think of the marriage like a ship. There's a Captain and a First Mate. The Captain must always listen to and aim to understand to position of the First Mate and should always take their views into consideration. The First Mate is included in all the decision making and has essentially free reign of the ship and knows everything going on but at the end of the day there is only one who holds the responsibility of the final decision. It goes for other aspects of the marriage too, the First Mate has a lot of responsibilities handed to them which the Captain doesn't think about unless something goes awfully wrong. If the Captain has an iron grip on the Firat Mate then the system collapses, they have to work in harmony with each other to make sure the ship functions to the best of it's abilities.

[@kirakira1212]

That's a great analogy. I've always wondered why many "modern" women just love to "girl boss" their way into life. I would much prefer to have someone I can rely on and help as much as I can if needed be. I just can't see the appeal of taking all responsibilities and hard labor 😂 like, can I just work a lil bit and then spend the rest of the day taking care of the house and kids

[@cindylefton1534]

Just curious: why are we assuming that the male is the captain? In nautical terms, the captain has earned the right to captain a ship based on experience, knowledge, etc. In a marriage, why do we assume by default that the male is the one who should have all of the responsibility? In a marriage, there are different skill sets. Each person should be in charge of that skill set, whether it is finances, child rearing, home maintenance, etc. There is nothing that says a male or a female is better at one thing or another. It is a partnership. Not a SHIP.

[@sylviadodgin]

I always hug my husband from behind when he is busy doing something like cooking. I feel he loves it. Yet, he is the one that hugs me and holds me. I love it. 🙏🏼

[@RosieJ7223]

What a great interview! I completely understand what Dr. Favale said about her husband’s experience and “trying to find his way” after conversation. I came into the Church in 2010 and, although I believed the teachings wholeheartedly, I went through years where I felt “I just don’t know how to BE Catholic.” As in “how do you DO this Catholic thing?” Because all of the traditions were new to me. It can be a lonely time. Praying for him and for all new converts 🙏

[@RosieJ7223]

*Conversion…not conversation.

[@angelalemos9811]

I'm so glad the Holy Spirit intervened, praise God 🙏.

[@xXXDeadlyHavocXXx]

Fascinating talk thank you Matt! I do think for the sake of balance it would be appropriate to invite Stephanie Gordon (Timothy Gordon's wife) for her take; as Abigail has critiqued her work! God Bless!

[@JJ-og2jq]

Although I agree with you, Matt is probably aware that the personalities of the Gordons don't do them any favours in situations like this one!

[@JJ-og2jq]

@YAJUN YUAN in my opinion they go too far in their criticisms to the opposing side, I agree with them 100% but I think people dismiss them because people think they are harsh

[@Anthony-vx6cs]

Yes! I haven't watched many of their recent stuff, but Tim and Steph are both inspiring. I remember watching a video with Tim and Steph and Dr Marshall and his wife awhile ago - all terrific people. But I got the sense Steph has a lot of wisdom to offer.

[@TheJmlew11]

Just out of curiosity, because I’m out of the loop, what has Stephanie Gordon critiqued about Abigails work?

[@xXXDeadlyHavocXXx]

@@TheJmlew11 The full review/critique can be found on Catholic World Report under the title "Ask Your Husband is a superficial, ideological, and incoherent “guide” "

[@BlandinaMott]

Abigail was so interesting and your discussion was lovely! Thank you.

[@cptsil90221]

St Joseph - Healed my extremely disordered sexuality as a son of God. He adopted me and has been walking with me since then to see through the hypersexualization of our society. The miracle freed me to reorient myself to God's created order and converted my love for my wife to a chaste love. Thank you Jesus for giving me your most chaste and powerful father who is my guide to your heart and my role as husband and father.

[@terrellavanryzin2722]

Sex in marriage is good. It is the act of the renewing the consummation of your vows AND helps you grow in intimacy

[@jameskellaher7070]

Would love to have you host Dr. Favale and Timothy Gordon to have a discussion on feminism.😃

[@emmadumais2337]

Ohhhhh, @James Kellaher, you're asking for trouble!!!!!

[@becca_123]

Yes please haha this woman is still pretty radical. I think she’s in denial

[@gillianlindeen5823]

There is so much here. Every few sentences I want to pause and write and essay or have a full discussion with my spouse off of the few sentences I heard. This episode is very compact and very wonderful.

[@lelavelion1356]

I'm with Tim Gordon on this one. There is no Christian feminism, it was a rotten seed from the start. I once had to do some research for a paper regarding feminism. Literally, source after source would describe feminism and its intrinsic relation to communism. The man (can't remember his name) who started feminism was a communist. The women who espoused the movement were also mostly communists and/or socialists. Second and third-wave feminists differed from the first only because by that time feminism was unmasked for what it truly is.

[@MidnightIsolde]

Friedrich Engels, Marx' collaborator

[@fabianapimentel6114]

The woman that is known as a first wave feminist is called Alexander Kollontai and she was the first woman Minister in the government of Lenin. She implemented abortion and right to divorce with that turned Russia up side down, so much so, that Stalin when got to power had to stop all that to restore normalcy to society

[@ornange]

I agree with everything in this video but feminism. We must look at the root/source and you're right; the source of feminism is nothing but evil

[@grantbenson7458]

"Women, again, are not suited for certain occupations; a woman is by nature fitted for home-work, and it is that which is best adapted at once to preserve her modesty and to promote the good bringing up of children and the well-being of the family." Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum 42

[@Bananaaaa765]

Oh, no!! I guess I’ll just turn in my law degree, then.

[@NotANameist]

@@Bananaaaa765and good luck finding elementary school teachers or nurses for that matter 😂

[@panes840]

​@Bananaaaa765 I agree. I get very annoyed when folks suggest my only value and responsibility in life is to be home-maker. Whilst that can and should take priority when and if motherhood beckons, it is not the whole thing a woman should concentrate on. Be proud you have a law degree. You have a brain to be uses and be grateful for. Ironically a lot of wen are far, far more intelligent than men. How on earth can a man rule the family if his intellect and his maturity is not the same or equivalent of a woman? This crap about women nog working EVER is just nonscence. Women's efforts in WWII are enormous. While men were busy fighting one another (willy waving their superiority to one another) , women took on the male jobs in factories, fixed the aeroplanes, even flew them as part of the war effort. Its this kind of stuff that makes me shudder with the way some men twist and manupulate how they think ruling should look like.

[@panes840]

​@@NotANameist very true. Tgis women should be "modest" by playing down their intellectual capability really angers me never mind irritates! In which case, this loveky lady being interviewed should NOT have a PhD and NOT write books! If she took that stance then......... the world would miss put.

[@JustSomeGuy009]

@@Bananaaaa765 you hate biology and the reality of the world. Sorry if that upsets you so much but the truth tends to do that to people.

[@advancedmaternalage]

As a Catholic woman I relate so much to her journey

[@marilynmelzian7370]

I still think apologetics is useful in clearing way some of the bad arguments that some people may have adopted. It is also very helpful for people who feel hammered by positions from the other side. It strengthens us and gives us greater confidence.

[@angelalemos9811]

Agreed 💯

[@ThePhilosorpheus]

There are so many deep similarities between her conversion story and mine despite the fact we're completely different people from completely different backgrounds, and I've heard some of these similarities from many other people, that it is impossible to deny the supernatural origin of these Damascus moments.

[@katherinebrumley7794]

I relate with Dr. Favale. I consider myself a conservative feminist. I am devout Catholic but I have always worked in male dominant jobs. I just want to be respected for who I am and what I can do and I want to be paid equally. That is how I define feminist. But I feel lost in today's world.

[@hiuszenoom809]

I think the feminism being hijacked with leftists. Women need same opportunities as men but not equal we are same as men. Certain jobs as long as women can do the same and even do better than men, then they should get the same pay check as men. However, it doesn't mean women are "MEN". God made us mentally, physically and emotionally different so a man and a woman united together as a union to a family; because we can fulfill our weakness and strength each other. Being honest, there are careers are dominated by one sex isn't because of sexism but the nature of sex. You barely see men become Elementary School teachers because men naturally not as patient to children compare with women. Nursing is another field still dominated by women.

[@Redrosewitch]

I'm sure you do Katherine. I'm not not a feminist myself. But I'm very much pro woman. And I'm well aware that there are indeed feminists who hold true to what feminism was always meant to mean, but who struggle to get your voices heard. I really do think this is a shame. Because what you ladies advocate for (and it's very close to what most non feminist woman want too,) is actually what would be beneficial to us and to the men we live and work with.

[@panes840]

​@Redrosewitch beautifully said. I don't want to be a femminist, but being respected as an intelligent human being, capable human, deserving of equal pay, to be respected as a stay at home mum and bring yo her children for no matter how many years seems right, to not be regarded by men as a sex object, not have a husband that demands sex like its his right which is BS, or who refuses to do any kind of household chores, or a husband who refuses to help with children be that play or changing a nappy or making a meal, are all important for a kind, loving, compassionate relationship. If a man gives these things, he would get 1000 kindness, love and companionship, support back. Why, oh why some men find this so hard to understand (religious or otherwise) is their demise. I do wonder if it's because the idea of "head of the household" or indeed the opposite, "don't bother to be head of the household" are both interpreted, misrepresented, abused ideologies and because of this, men lost their way, followed by women.

[@katherinebrumley7794]

@@panes840 I agree. I was a traditional mom and wife when my children were young.

[@colettegraack1124]

2hrs in apx... I really resonate big time on the becoming a mom, changing my core, changing my beliefs, changing how I view the world... And biggest thing, was all the abortion lies and Planned Parenthood lies I had been told and believed in my youth, melted away near instantly... I went through some interesting phases, and the last of which was basically manipulated and forced on me by my now ex... but anyone who would lead you into darkness isn't a leader... I knew everything I once thought needed to be challenged. And here I am, listening to PWA, with my son, *when topics are appropriate of course, getting reacquainted with my self and my faith... Something profound happens when you become a mother... And I'm sorry. But we really need to make it ok again to dream of being a mother! Why have we allowed it to be some kind if social stigma to yearn for motherhood? To yearn to be a wife and homemaker?! And yet, as long as I have wanted to be a writer, I have wanted to be a Mother and Wife MORE... But let me warn the young ladies out there, or any single and looking ladies. Hold true and tight to your Faith and to God first. Don't be in love with love. Don't take any concept if love as the right love. I speak from experience... be sure your values align and you are both living them.... So much to unpack... But 100% being a mom turned me 100% pro-life instantly. And turned me back to asking God for help and turning to God and the saints for intercession... I still struggle with getting back on track with prayer... but if the path of truth and faith were easy we'd all be there and this world would be a very different place...

[@LadyK007]

Thank you for sharing! May God abundantly bless you and yours!

[@colettegraack1124]

@@LadyK007 Amen. Thank You! And may you also be blessed! 💜

[@eliesh3833]

You found your calling in life to be as a wife and mother, and that's great! However, not every woman feels that same calling, and that's fine too. So long as we don't live our lives in ways that are sinful and contrary to God's commandments, people should have the right to choose how they want to live in the way that suits them personally. We're all individuals, which means each and every one of us will be called for different things. Marriage certainly isn't for everyone. Saint Paul never had a problem with marriage, but he also strongly encouraged singleness and celibacy, as this was the sort of life he lived. He also never said that only men were allowed to be single. Some women just aren't meant to be in a relationship and are better off single. Nothing wrong with that. Although, you do have a point. And I think the problem is when society tries to force people to live lives that they aren't meant for, and then shaming said people when they choose to live their own way. For example, while I think it's wrong to force women into unwanted marriage and motherhood, I find it equally wrong to force women into unwanted independence and singleness. Like I said, it should be a choice, and one that suits the individual personally. Though of course, if one happens to be a Christian, it is expected that regardless of how he or she lives, it is done so in a manner that is holy and not immersed in sin.

[@colettegraack1124]

@@eliesh3833 I agree. Never said all women. What j refer to here is the deliberate societal erasure of the sacredness of Wife/Mother roles. And Erasure of woman and what it means to be a woman. There are women called to mission. Called to be police officers. Called to be Nuns, which do not marry and remain celibate... And even as a wife and mother, a woman can still feel a calling to other roles such as serving her community, or having a certain vocation, or job... These are all true. I would also argue a woman should never be forced into marriage, or motherhood... What I want to advocate here, is not allowing society to erase that which is divine order of the universe, simply because they may not feel called... We must also admit, birth rates are down dramatically, and much of that, medical and environmental factors aside, also has to do with social conditioning, and a mass brainwashing for lack of better terms. And, in order for a single, independent woman, whom wants to stay that way, to be within godly life; she would have to adhere strictly to God's law. Which would obviously be celibacy, among other things. But, that's its own kind of debate. Here I am simply speaking out against the erasure of women and mothers, and even of the innocence of children... Which is no question in my mind, of the Devil...

[@mokona_0992]

Hey Matt, great interview and I really hope you can invite Stephanie Gordon. An element of Catholicism that really makes me take their claims seriously is how they are willing to explore and wrestle with controversial issues in a principled manner. Taking into account Sacred Scripture, tradition and the magisterium to inform and guide one’s discussion- adds a level of authority and substance I am not used to as a Protestant. In light of this, I would love to see you interview Stephanie Gordon on her book, “Ask your Husband: A Catholic Guide to Femininity.” I believe a charitable in-depth 1 to 1 interview of an opposing viewpoint to Dr. Abigail would be edifying given the times we live. Seeing how two faithful Catholics asses and live out the faith in accordance with Church teaching and tradition really helps people like me better understand what it means to be, and how to live- as a Catholic. I can’t think of a better neutral place for ideas to meet than your show and I hope you keep being a bridge in the Catholic world for us seekers. Thank you and God bless!

[@JakeHGuy]

I second this.

[@grantbenson7458]

This.

[@ashlings390]

I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion, thank you 😊

[@KB-eb1lc]

This was so thought-provoking and interesting to listen to. I have an ex husband, and am re-married. This interview inspired me look at both my past and my current relationship very differently, in a more Christian-based way. Very eye-opening, I'll have to watch this several times (at least) to really try to wrap my mind around everything that they discussed.

[@aligolightly7359]

I really appreciate this conversation. I am also a recovering feminist, and totally jiving with this amazing guest. Feminism has gone nuts.

[@PaulDo22]

Feminism has "not gone nuts". It's always been and always will be anti-Christian. Thankfully many have awoken to it's lies and many will continue to see that poison fruit only comes from a poison tree.

[@Seliz463]

I totally agree. Everything I was looking for in feminism…I found in the Catholic Church. I actually found MORE reverence and respect and veneration of women in Catholicism than I ever did in secular feminism (which largely tries to promote the rights of women by turning us into men instead of having us be valued and respected as WOMEN). Of course a big reason why women turn to secular feminism is the creepy dudes that show up on videos like this to comment about “submission” and “hierarchy” while they radiate TikTok “Dom” energy. Okay I be fair, there are men like that in the secular world as well as the Christian word, because it’s a fallen world. But when men try to use God and the Bible to essentially argue for weird BDSM-style power obsessed relationships (like Tim and Stephanie Gordon, who are cringe beyond belief), then many women would rather buy into the false “protection” of secular feminism, and turn away from the church. But I’m so grateful that there are people like Scott and Kimberly Hahn, Christopher West, Fr. Mike Schmitz, Jason Evert, and others, as well as all the books and letters of Bl. John Paul II to wash out the strain of weirdos that want to turn the Catholic faith into an endorsement of the abuse and subjugation of women.

[@PaulDo22]

@@Seliz463 You truly are an evil, lying woman. Go to confession for lying about others and spreading your hate.

[@vickicebulla419]

Every time Matt talks about how much he loves Steubenville and its shanty little crack houses and am *this* close to dropping everything and moving out there. One of these days I might not be able to resist it and I'll quit my job with nothing lined up and leave a housing contract I can't get out of.

[@grantmullen2826]

I know New Polity is having a conference in June in Steubenville. I'm going to it 90% because I want to hear more of what they have to say and 10% to check out Steubenville because of the way Matt and others speak of the town and it's direction

[@erikw3105]

I totally get what you mean. I'm in college and I love where I live, but I'm keeping Steubenville in the back of my mind for places to move to. It helps that I live near Scranton PA, which is relatively close (~8 hours). So who knows, it's not out of the question

[@brigittem2231]

I found some amazing parallels between her story and mine. This is lovely.

[@brit_josephine]

This interview could not be more relevant to the feminism of our time, and as a Catholic graduate student I am thankful for your courage to speak the truth about gender theory and ideology. I am curious if Dr. Abigail Favale would be willing to mentor other graduate students through her experiences, I do not see a way to contact her via email online.

[@jjbama8201]

Loved this interview! More women should watch it!

[@nmocte1]

And men

[@Peter_Mercier]

Matt, my man!! You did it again brother! Mrs. Abigail Favale was such a joy, and an INSPIRATION to listen to! She was incredible. Such a beautiful female witness to the Faith, and her perspective formed through her feminism background - and now teaching as a professor- are so important for people to to hear, in order to try to suss out all this confusion between the sexes PROPERLY loving each other in a truly holy way. Thank you so much for giving her a platform on PWA, and to speak on these issues in depth. Keep killing it, brother! Also, persona request if possible - any more young, strong Catholic women like Mrs. Fagale would always be awesome for more of the Faithful feminine experience in a land of us male meatballs haha. Cheers, brother. As always, for your ministry. * One last note, FYI : Neil’s the man. Our prayers worked, and Pints hit the lottery, brother! Your “Catholic Jamie” search was a success. Haha. Peace man. 👊🏻🔥

[@PaulDo22]

Peter, are you gay?

[@coryconway5339]

I would love to see a discussion between Stephanie Gordon, Matt and Abigail

[@conor5821]

The Gordons are based

[@4309chris]

yes

[@mokona_0992]

I would like to see a 1 on 1 interview with Stephanie and Matt first- in order to properly explore Stephanie’s viewpoint. I’m not a huge viewer of the Gordons but whenever Matt is brought up, they always speak favorably of him. Let’s hope Pints with Aquila’s can make it happen. 👍

[@noodlebowl8890]

@@conor5821 agreed

[@PaulDo22]

No way. There's no reason to entertain Abigail and give her a platform for her secular paganism. If she was brought into to educate her on her errors and she accepted it that would be one thing but until her conversion there's no reason to allow her to undermine Christianity. Matt is not the person for this task, too nice for the job. If anything Tim Gordon is the man of the hour. He could put Abigail in her place.

[@kristinwannemuehler9757]

During one of my grad school classes, my professor had us participate in this idiotic exercise about how we identified ourselves, like by our religion, marital status, gender, race, occupation, etc. Many of my very good Catholic/Protestant friends identified according to their religion most strongly, but I had just read John Paul II's Theology of the Body and it caused me to consider myself as a woman even above my religion despite being a devout Catholic because God created me in the womb even prior to my baptism as a female and speaks to me as a woman just as I communicate my love to him and all those I encounter as a woman. Being a woman is not separate from my religious beliefs, but intrinsic to my relationship to God. God willing, if I find myself one day in heaven with God, I will exist in perpetual worship of God as a woman.

[@adalgizaarango7973]

Beautifully said 👏

[@Will-ip8og]

The incident at Hope College was pretty crazy. It was not safe and I think the college should have done more to protect people. I was there just to watch the talk and on my way out I got threatened (I got told by a dean that I could press charges for assault if they found him apparently) by one of the protestors and got it on video. Antifa was there too which freaked me out.

[@tradcatholic8520]

“Then arose between the two Spouses a holy contest, who should obey the other as superior. But She, who among the humble was the most humble, won this contest of humility; for as the man is the head of the family, She would not permit this natural order to be inverted. She desired in all things to obey her spouse saint Joseph, asking him solely for permission to help the poor, which the saint gladly gave.” Venerable Mary of Agreda, Mystical City of God: The Conception, (Charlotte: Tan Books, 2013), pg 582. Wives should subject themselves to their husbands as a companion, for this is the natural order. Husbands to, out of virtue, are called to serve humbly. If Saint Joseph, one of the greatest saints in heaven, was willing to humbly serve his wife then what excuse do we have for not following his example. This was also before he knew that Mary was the queen of Heaven. That being said, the husband is still the head of the family and still needs to lead. Only with virtue can their be true friendship between spouses.

[@Brillemeister]

"Husbands to, out of virtue, are called to serve humbly." I feel this component needs to be emphasized more in conservative-leaning Catholic media.

[@alepine1986]

Matt was being unbelievably cringey in this. So he will admit that women do dominate men by being 'bitchy and naggy' but won't admit that a feature of most societies throughout history has been the domination and control of women? Ridiculous.

[@AL-er3lb]

I wish Matt would have asked Abigail why the label “catholic feminism” isn’t redundant, if it is about protecting women and their dignity, it seems to me that that’s already included in being Christian? Does being a feminist Christian Och catholic really add anything to that?

[@kirakira1212]

We need label in today's time and age 😂

[@rc3088]

As a grandmother... I agree with Matt. Who would make the cookies 🍪

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

Second-wave feminism - which rejects the essentially feminine as being contrary to the good of the individual - is quite compatible with individualism. But since I believe that God made man and woman as he did for a purpose, and not merely to be stripped down to a man, I don't think I can accept individualism. I am not a communist, but neither am I an individualist. If communitarian or communalist indicated some difference...

[@allywallace7798]

I was going to fast forward through the break, but then I just started improv singing over the break music and it was a great emotional refresher for the second part of the video.

[@stephencotter538]

A woman’s dignity is closely connected with the love which she receives by the very reason of her femininity; it is likewise connected with the love which she gives in return. Pope JP2 (I just came across these quotes and felt they were relevant to the topic at hand...plus anything from JP 2 is great! God bless us all and keep us!

[@Bananaaaa765]

Something about this gives me the heebie jeebies and I don’t know why 😂

[@mx_moi1964]

But define femininity because not every woman is “feminine” in the traditional sense of the word

[@stephencotter538]

@mx_moi Given the context of the Pope JP2 quote, I think we can appropriately accept this definition of what he meant when he used the word "femininity" "The qualities considered to be natural to or characteristic of a woman." He didn't say that EVERY woman is "feminine" in the "traditional" sense. When I read this quote by him, it made me think of the gentle love and nurturing that (in MY opinion), is uniquely given from women. I.e. A mother's love. Thank God for mother's, and for blessing my siblings and me with a great one! God bless you, and keep you!

[@JuanMartinez-xl2oj]

I'm excited to hear this talk after she said she has a Saint Brigid's cross tattoo, I just got out of work and was listening to this whole getting ready to go to Mass at St. Brigid's!

[@MarieGoatcher]

I just found out about Fiat 90, the Exodus 90's version for women! Check it out. Your talks are always stimulating and encouraging Matt, thank you very much for that.

[@tylerhy1332]

37:11 “we like this liberal system that America has”. Thanks to NewPolity’s work I’m starting to wonder if this is where the reality of the argument starts. Is liberalism ideal? It sure seems against Catholic social teaching. I think we can stop talking past each other by arguing against liberalism instead of whether or not 1st wave feminism was a good thing.

[@ncgerstell]

Liberalism has only ever spread at the expense of the Church and at the cost of Catholic lives. I'll pass.

[@joelmontero9439]

You should check out The Josias podcast, you will like it

[@magdaleneofdivinelove5984]

This has been a beautiful conversation. Thank you.

[@tMatt5M]

Our glorified resurrected body will not have tattoos on them.

[@mariacortez5931]

Hahaha

[@hamie7624]

@@mariacortez5931 its true.

[@AJanae.]

I can’t imagine they would. God created our bodies without them to begin with

[@AntonAchondoa]

Do you think men will have foreskins again? Genuine question. Not trying to be a troll. I know Catholicism does not mandate circumcision, but many Catholics still opt to have it done to their children.

[@manny4012]

Lol what an overused bad argument against tattoos

[@QuantumSorceress]

I enjoyed this interview a lot! Dr. Abigail appears to be on the spectrum (IMHO). I'm on the spectrum as well, so I don't mean any type of offense. But I noticed the spinning, echolalia, and other things that are very similar to me. Autistic people are very good at spotting other autistic people. And I haven't been wrong about my autie radar yet! Also, the way that she speaks of her interests is very aspie-like indeed! Can't wait to watch some more content :)

[@Jacob-hr2vf]

“Catholic Feminism” is like “demonic Catholicism.” It’s a contradiction in terms.

[@leejennifercorlewayres9193]

Exactly. This channel frequently pushes in the wrong direction. Can't tell if Matt just has a problem with alcoholism or something else is going on here. 🧐 In either case it is worrisome.

[@jolins.9523]

Define both. If feminism just means equal rights, how are they contradictory?

[@xXXDeadlyHavocXXx]

@@leejennifercorlewayres9193 "Can't tell if Matt has a problem with Alcoholism" why would you even say something like that, especially without knowing the man personally. That's just unecessary, presumptive and harsh..

[@leejennifercorlewayres9193]

@@xXXDeadlyHavocXXx Maybe because I'm worried about real Christians being mislead?

[@PieterWycoff]

@@leejennifercorlewayres9193 What ‘direction’ are you talking about? You might get more constructive feedback if you articulate your opinion and not make vague statements.

[@allsaintsacademy9344]

She is simply amazing. It's not a surprise that she has a Joan of Arc tattoo... I think Joan of Arc when I listen to her speak. Most fabulous discussion.

[@millerk115]

@45:00 you said this perfectly. I have been looking for a way to put what you said into words. This has been the question in the back of my head everytime I reflect on how we got to this point culturally and politically.

[@zenden6564]

Sorry to say to Abigail but Feminism in 2020+ ist kaput. Even the remarkable Camille Paglia thinks this now. It's not going to work just to revise it to make it Feminism-lite. Feminism gave us LGBTQTI+ it is in its political DNA. These days it is taught implicitly and explicitly in kindergartens, primary and schools, not just hard core colleges.

[@KEDAMONO.]

I like the explanation she gave about its not that the Job or Task is masculine or feminine but the way it is expressed. The example she gave of just because the woman doesn't want kids doesn't mean she won't be nurturing in a different way. I've seen this is my own career, just because you put a woman in a male orientation position doesn't mean she will do the task just like a man and vice versa. We need more male teachers because we are called to father, but many see the job as too feminine. Even if you don't have kids yourself their is still room to mentor.

[@sfm3008]

On the question of what you would say to your younger self, I think the only way to approach people who are blind within their current beliefs is to first have a conversation about motivations. What is your motivation when you enter into conversations with people? Is it to learn from the other person or listen to the other person? Or is it to prove your position and win the debate? If everyone as a whole entered into conversations with a true open mind and heart to what other people believed and thought, regardless of if the other person agrees or disagrees with particular issues/subjects, genuinely wanting to understand the other persons beliefs, we would have a more loving society. For Catholics, this isn’t entering into a conversation with an atheist being open to becoming atheist, but it is entering into that conversation wanting to understand fully why the atheist is an atheist. If we can understand people we can love them, and if we truly open our hearts and minds we can understand. You do not have to agree to understand. I would encourage everyone to first discuss the motivation behind a conversation before entering into a conversation with someone who is emotionally committed to a certain belief or world view. If no one is truly listening than in reality no conversation is being had.

[@brendamyc3057]

It snowballed out of control and became horrible evil to the point of destroying the vocation of womanhood itself.

[@Marofsafari]

Loved meeting Abigail here, getting to know more about her and her arguments from a very solid point of love and compassion for both sides. This time round it was a bit difficult hearing some of Matt’s comments - use of the word bitchy, “she should get over it and do it anyway”, etc. They came across somewhat insensitive. I like Abigail’s view on feminism, which is that it’s been taken to the extremes but she’s also aware of the difficulties women have faced and do still.

[@shannonp8448]

I agree with you about some of Matt's comments.. a bit aggressive. Took away from what was otherwise a thoughtful discussion. I felt like Abigail dealt with it very graciously.

[@zelie1155]

100% agree. I don't like intros. Edit: or outros. Just got to the end of the whole video. Amazing video!

[@Kitkatklaws]

Matt really creeped me out when he said “maybe wives should suck it up and have sex with their husbands”. I believe dead bedrooms are one of the worst issues married couples face, and sometimes, yeah, you should suck it up and figure out how to have fun intimately with your spouse again. But a few months to a year after childbirth? It’s not the same thing. 45% of women report postpartum depression symptoms lasting for upwards of 6 months and a smaller percentage report symptoms/occurrences of postpartum psychosis. Both the body and mind of the nursing mother are healing and should be treated with patience by her husband. “Finger wagging” is not the solution but it just really disappointed and grossed me out when he said that.

[@lavinder11]

He clearly has an issue with women and this guest mustered up the courage to quiet push back against him. I also made note of this on a recent video that it seems like he's one of the "religious" men who assert their masculinity rather than be truly saved.

[@celinehynes3336]

Yes, this was gross and entitled.

[@joelmontero9439]

41:02 that's a great point against liberalism, Matt should bring Father Edmund Waldstein from The Josias podcast to talk about Integralism and why liberalism is incompatible with Catholicism

[@PaulDo22]

That is a great idea! It would help establish an integrity between our Faith and our understanding that some things are incompatible with that Faith such as feminism.

[@thepittsburghalien5695]

If they think it's insane now, wait until 8 years from now.

[@TheCa14mzik]

I'm currently reading the encyclical casti connubii and it talks about what the subjection of wives is to their husbands and what it is not. It's specifically in paragraph 27 of the encyclical.

[@Seliz463]

I don’t think a lot of women (or men) realize how beautiful and beneficial those paragraphs are, and how much responsibility they place on the man. They don’t compel the wife to do anything at all. Instead they put the burden of initiating and taking risk entirely on the man. Which is what women want anyway. So it’s basically saying: men, be the kind of husband your wife really wants. Be confident, take an active role and interest in the family, be involved, be responsible. That’s wonderful.

[@kentonbiffert2802]

Matt, have Stephanie and/or Tim Gordon on to talk about Steph's new book.

[@joekeegan937]

This is great stuff. Thanks Dr Favale.

[@blakewidmer]

Thank you for this conversation. May I humbly bring something to your attention? I am hearing. My wife is Deaf and I am immersed in the Deaf community. Around the 1 hour mark you talk about power and domination, and noted the outlandish line of "women should be silent, they should only be allowed to use sign language" -- I know you are not saying this, but something others have said....that's not my point. For me its just a lens to think about power. Consider for a moment that 1% of the world's population is Deaf and they are on the wrong end of power so profoundly that their language is subjugated to mean it is the only option in a setting where a woman should be silent *because* sign language is not actual speaking....sign language is fully a human language and equal to any other form of communication and speech. It's ironic, isn't it? And most people would never think that using a turn of phrase would actually in itself be evidence of a deeply held power dynamic in society where 1% are basically treated as sub-human. Just food for thought. Thanks for the convo!! Loved Dr Favale's book "genesis of gender"

[@nancybrown9977]

Such a good point about having to enter into it to see it. Interesting perspectives about apologetics.

[@SAD-ij8in]

Not gonna lie. When I had Covid, i watched all 6 seasons of Downton Abbey and my 19 year old son who was quarantined with me and worried about me bc i was really sick also watched all 6 seasons.

[@phil4v8]

👏👏🙏🙏🙏

[@huveja9799]

"an organism latches into another" -> Symbiosis, it is itself split into three sub-types: 1. Parasitism (negative for one organism, e.g. lampreys), 2. Mutualism (both are benefited, e.g. the bacteria in our gut) and 3. Commensalism (one is benefited and for the other is neutral)

[@afranka87]

Hello from Indonesia ❤️❤️❤️

[@Redrosewitch]

I still wouldn't call it Feminism. I don't think I'd need to give it a name. But all that Dr Favale is talking about here. I'd be on board with. Men and women working together for mutual benefit. That's how it's meant to be.

[@Vereglez-d4z]

Feminism sounds so sad and empty.

[@brendamyc3057]

It threw the Sacramental Life out of order and out of balance.

[@kayladavis4574]

Thank you catholic Jamie (Neil) for the time stamps!

[@nourishflourishflow]

On the headship discourse in this discussion...power is cooperative and seeks to understand first, before it leads. This feels like it would be a very conscious man who could wield this kind of power or headship properly. And it would be a very conscious woman who could receive this. I hope and pray this is where we're going.

[@guypotvin6943]

Just watched this, it made me also watch the first Matt Fradd interview. As an aside, given the approach of faith and reason you use, I kinda think, you almost always have a Catholic mindset. You lay out, the logic, most truly illogic reasoning used to defend radical feminist, trans, abortion and one birth control. I didn’t see you say something I got from it. Citing “ not being ready for a child”. Emotionally or financially. Which I wonder, if the financial, being a single mom etc. can be folded somewhat into the not ready emotionally. The very plain and simple answer to that might be, if one, male or female, aren’t “ready” for children, than they are also, not ready for sexual activity.

[@ponderingCanuck]

55:34 - this! I do this when reading to my kids too, and some older children's songs as well. Sucks that we feel we have to

[@joelmontero9439]

Feminism is incompatible with Christianity

[@debbydoodler33]

Loved every minute of this interview. So helpful to hear someone with a similar journey to mine, but several steps ahead. Part of me was thinking, "Dr. Favale, where were you during my undergrad studying literary theory??" and then being like, "Oh, yep, you were also doing your undergrad and graduate studies and being indoctrinated into the same stuff" haha. Will definitely be checking out more Edith Stein and Dr. Favale's book. Matt, I am also a big point-and-click adventure fan! I hope you're excited for the newest Monkey Island 🤩

[@JacquelineKennedy-dg6lg]

Great episode! PWA should consider resurfacing this video following the hype around the "Barbie" movie... or at least highlight some shorts from this on YT with a Barbie hashtag... 🙄

[@Thomasfboyle]

Behind every great feminist is an absent father

[@phoult37]

And husband

[@laurendemler5117]

Based.

[@Coleslice]

I'd like to see a discussion between Marc Barnes, Abigail and Matt. Seems like it'd be a fun time.

[@tylerhy1332]

Hoping Marc comes back on to talk about gender too

[@marginalmartin]

Yes, in a way Marc's series on gender on his channel complements the work that Abigail and others are doing. They both have a deep knowledge of feminist thought, poststructuralism, etc. and are able to provide a thoughtful Catholic critique.

[@nicoleyoshihara4011]

Amazing!^_^❤

[@justingrove5190]

32:20 the gay issue and Feminism are the same thing.

[@slick222]

Feminism is bad. Trying to split the baby is a long, burdensome mistake. Everything feminism tried to do that was good Catholicism does better.

[@anamunley6813]

Bless her heart, but her entire life is her trying to conform what she subconsciously knows to be true into her espoused worldview. She should just give herself permission to give up control entirely to God and accept the teachings of his fully true church.

[@trangha527]

@@anamunley6813 did you watch the whole interview?

[@zachcauthren]

wow that is exactly how i feel abt my tattoo. every time i see them they remind me who i once was. and how God has truly changed me. they are like scars. reminders of the ppl we once were. that we are now made new.

[@hopefulforhumanity5625]

1 hr 20 min. Men as the head. I think most women like it when their husband takes a leadership role if he is trying to problem solve and if he is really trying to do what he thinks is best for the family. Men who behave too emotionally (that includes anger) do not help the woman to trust him. But I think women are happiest when they can entrust the family to him.

[@JakeHGuy]

You should have Steph Gordon on to talk about feminism.

[@matthewcunningham5382]

If it's any consolation to your "sexist"(heavy sarcasm) jokes, my girlfriend makes INCREDIBLE cookies 😄😋

[@davidtavares1868]

I have the exact same Joan of Arc image in my prayer space - So powerful - 10/10 would recommend

[@davidtavares1868]

@OrganicOrganist www.catholica.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Joan-of-arc-e1544398257293.jpg

[@ashleygutridge1699]

Old Town Florissant in St Louis MO is totally a Catholic Community like Steubenville!!

[@jacobecklund717]

I love the drunk homeless man analogy! I feel the same way about people on the left. They went wayyy off the rails and it makes me question the lead-up to that: e.g. first principles, logic, motives, honesty about about all of the above, etc.

[@colettegraack1124]

2:24:32.... BINGO! I worked Overnight stock as a woman, a relatively strong woman, for two years or so... Abd that was the eye opening slap in the face of some work simply is just MAN work. So to speak. Physically speaking men are stronger than women as a general observation. It's just natural. Just the way things are... Also, spent a decade flying internationally, visiting different places... and literally, until my son was present and we were alone, not a singlean ever offered to help me with luggage, and yes, I was quite insulted by this lack of chivalry... It's a good example. Like imagine even one time I had hurt my wrist climbing, so it's wrapped and not even a stewardess offered help at that point.... We are even at a point where women won't help other women... Hard to see the wicked way the world is going,and imagining how I'm going to bring up a compassionate son, in a world where compassion seems to be fading...

[@grammaurai6843]

Great women in apologetics are difficult to find, because the hyper-liberal women have an automatic platform, while the Biblical, historical women will not be published by publishers consistent with their values. A woman who does believe in orthodox Biblical sex roles does not have the same automatic reach as a woman who believes that we should ignore Paul because he's sexist and the Bible isn't God's word anyway. Perhaps that's a problem for both sides.

[@tannergiles9175]

After her CWR article I’d never touch her book. It actually got me to get Stephanie Gordon’s book, Ask Your Husband, which is fantastic. So, thanks for that.

[@slick222]

What is hierarchy, Abigail? Did God create anything without it? Does anything function well without it? Does marriage have a hierarchy? Is hierarchy always domination?

[@NotANameist]

Is hierarchy ever domination? Is it ever unjust?

[@slick222]

@@NotANameist It's practice can be like anything else be but it's existence and mandate is inevitable. Trying to overthrow it is de facto unjust. Following it is not. "Domination" is another scare word that can be just or unjust given the situation. Should we "dominate" murderers by binding their hands, driving them to prison, and putting them behind bars, or should we let them make their own choices? So we agree domination is not intrinsically evil. Hierarchy is designed to structure human society by putting certain people in charge of others. That this authority is abused is not evidence it is bad. Anarchy is worse. Children, prisoners, and all other people not designed to be in charge running things is intrinsically evil and will virtually always yield bad results both directly and indirectly.