A Dangerous Deal between Indonesia and China in the South China Sea?

[@notjohnnyrico]

It left me wondering how Sugiono became Indonesia's new foreign minister despite having no relevant previous background at all e.g. any experience in _Indonesia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs_ (Departemen/Kementerian Luar Negeri Indonesia) or similar. Mrs. Retno Marsudi as the previous Indonesia's Minister of Foreign Affairs for the last 10 years has been very careful for maintaining Indonesia's position in North Natuna Sea; she was an experienced diplomat & ambassador before. So did Mr. Marty Natalegawa & Mr. Hassan Wirajuda, her predecessor, both are an experienced diplomat. I don't know. But I hope Indonesia would stay safe in the future and not be exploited/dominated by any of the three superpowers..

[@TheMap1997]

Prabowo wants to craft his own foreign policy as in "menjadi panglima kebijakan luar negeri Indonesia". I suspect he only wants Sugiono because he wanted a yes man to his idea and an executor. He doesn't want anyone from foreign ministry's establishment to interfere with his foreign policy vision. We're lucky that both Jokowi and SBY fought for Sri Mulyani as the finance minister. Otherwise, this country is doom with his short sighted Soekarno-wannabe policy.

[@Alvinsore24]

Tenang saja indoneaia sudah lama diekslopoitasi oleh amerika dan barat santuy aja. Puluhan tahun indoneaia hanya dijadikan pasar dari produk2 barat dan sekutunya kita santuy aja gak ada tu yg berani teriak2 Mulai mkanan minuman seperti Kfc, mcd, pizza hut, coca cola, sprite film hollywood blm lagi skincare, blm lagi elektronik, mobil motor buatan jepang Indoneaia hanya bisa jual bahan mentah mau hilirisasi sedikit saja dijegal negara barat Barat itu tidak akan membiarkan negara mayoritas muslim kuat maju berteknologi tinggi dan bersatu Bagi mereka islam dan muslimi tu adalah ancaman Sejarah persaingan dan konflik panjang muslim dengan barat itu sudah lama

[@melvinchen8355]

​@@Alvinsore24Tenang saja. Masa lalu adalah masa lalu. The future threat is our concern now. Indonesia sudah dieksploitasi RRC sekarang. Perusahaan RRC yang tidak terkenal seperti VDNI saja cuan besar dari eksploitasi pekerja di Konawe Sulawesi & pabrik kaca di Batam telah menggusur kampung adat Rempang. Dumping tekstil dari RRC sudah berhasil membuat industri tekstil lokal bangkrut. Operasi RRC di Pulau Obi juga menimbulkan kerusakan lingkungan. Nikmati juga kenaikan pajak, pungutan wajib TAPERA, kenaikan harga tiket KA, dll karena Indonesia sedang kesulitan keuangan & butuh pemasukan banyak untuk mengisi APBN pasca proyek kurang feasibility study seperti KCIC dgn Konsesi 80 Tahun (debt trap) nya. Lihat juga "Bamboo Network" yang diuntungkan sejak Indonesia ketergantungan ke RRC, kekayaan konglomerat 9 Naga naik ketika justru ekonomi rakyat lesu waktu COVID19 kemarin & sekarang akibat KCIC & IKN.

[@mariopulvida9618]

good explanation, i hope indonesian understand the issue.

[@Mr.judele]

While Vietnam and Malaysia coop to protect SEA sea from China, Indonesia (which is said to be led by 6 Chinese originated families) is playing a backstabbing game to the next level 😂

[@Cyan_Nightingale]

Not 6. But 9 families of conglomerate. Dubbed "9 Dragons of Indonesia"

[@bluewolf4789]

Colonization will start again in indonesia. Hayzt. History repeat itself again and again

[@alfred4551]

At the end of the day China will still continue their plan claiming the entire sea we hope Indonesia will see it coming or they are just afraid of China and afraid of affecting their business relation on China well Goodluck to them

[@jasonjabonet4099]

Precedence... It's an example Indonesia is recognizing the 9 dash line... Praying our Indonesian brothers don't experience the same as the philippines is..

[@doubtful4683]

Prabowo takut dengan China ya😂 atau nurut karena $$$? Mengecewakan tentunya. Harusnya ASEAN bersatu melawan pelanggaran dan sifat bully komunis China.

[@Nusantara998]

History demonstrated appeasement policy never stops any country to pursue their territorial ambition. Jakarta appeasement policy on China exacerbated by plan to buy Chinese major military equipment. It's all about business or 'cuan'...Prabowo money talks

[@gambaridup]

Bad foreign policy could become the legacy of President Prabowo. The current Foreign Minister, Sugiono is the first Foreign minister who is not a career diplomat. He was recruited from outside of the Indonesian Foreign Ministry.

[@yannickbrown3402]

Penjelasan yang sangat clear. Dan kita harus bertanya buat apa kita membuat perjanjian seperti itu. Sama aja artinya kita mengakui klaim pihak China akan maritim zone nya... Padahal itu tidak diakui international.

[@roamingreynolds4019]

Very clearly said, I hope everything goes well for Indonesia..

[@yannickbrown3402]

@@roamingreynolds4019 yes very clear "dangerous deal"

[@pangitko3142]

yan din ginawa ni Duterte sa president pa siya kaya maraming mga pilipino galit sa mga Duterte dahil guamawa ito ng secret agreement sa china at pati military navy sinasabihan niya wag mag,patrol sa EEZ ng pilipinas kaya galit sa kanya ang navy ng pilipinas kaya ngayon se president Marcus ginawa niya ang batas tungkol sa territory ng pilipinas para walang president na pabayaan ang territory ng pilipinas at hahayaan lang ito dahil nasa batas yan makasuhan ang isang president kung hindi susundin ang batas ng pilipinas kaya galit na galit ang china dahil hindi na nila ito mababago kahit ang president ng pilipinas pro china ka tulad ni Duterte,parang batas ganawa nila sa territory ng pilipinas kasama yata ang sabah dahil isa yon sa plano nila na sama sa new map ng pilipinas ang matindi nito dahil ginawa ng batas talaga,mahirap ito para sa Malaysia dahil puwdi na mangialam ang military ng pilipinas pag,nagkaruon na naman ng gulo sa sulu at Malaysia.

[@mjipaderon]

China thrives well with corrupt politicians and a weak nation. Indonesia citizens should remind their government officials the International Law of the Sea. Appeasement and dealing with CCP is a very dangerous situation for Indonesia sovereignty, unless it’s official has also been a part of China’s corrupt practices. Indeed money can corrupts even the highest level in government.

[@1ndragunawan]

Ah yes, appeasement strategy. Pretty sure that didn't go well with the Europeans which led to the WW2.

[@yolandavega4654]

Natuna has no over laping boundaries.

[@Currahee_506]

Indonesia must hold fast to its principle, no compromise to its sovereignty...it will be so pitty if Prabowo bow to the pressure of the PRC for the sake of bucket of investment over sovereignty

[@Phoenix-bq7lw]

So is it not a pitty if Prabowo bow to the pressure of the West? Despite all these warmongerings, China never steals Indonesian fish, and other resources. Australia is! They steal our fish, detain our fishermen, smuggle out our gold ore from Papua. Aren't they the real threat? They want us to fight with somebody else while they are prodding our backyards.

[@ZaderAssan-ip7gx]

the Indonesian government is a key ally of the Philippines in terms of maritime boundary. If the Indonesia will keep on doing such things? I think there could be a huge catastrophic scenario between political powers.

[@yeoseotidle2290]

Philippines can provide nothing to Indonesia. China is a better partner

[@idhamkamal]

Don't play with fire if you are scared to get burned

[@nyomansuastika4020]

100 % correct ❤

[@tsudiyanto]

smells like a betrayal

[@AhuraMzd]

Indonesian need fast money ! China will give away easily , the money will probably won’t benefit million directly , especially for the poor and needed , money money money . How sad we can be bought easily , lazy and don’t want to be bothered to develop and protect our own resource ! But how come your video only left question and nothing else I was expecting more

[@achmadaidil]

Pak Made.. Kita perlu channel yg kritis dan mendidik. Terimakasih sudah mengangkat isu ini.

[@Rumble2024injungle]

is it a diplomatic blunder? yes. is it a dangerous deal? probably not. the wording is ambiguous enough "joint development of areas in overlapping claim", since indonesia's position is that there's no overlapping claim (because indonesia doesnt make any claim), then wording means nothing to indonesia. but what dangerous is the signal it gives to other ASEAN claimants. the rumour is that sugiono has been briefed by kemlu, but being a newbie minister, he couldn't persuade the chinese to change the wording, so there's that.

[@notjohnnyrico]

It left a question, how Sugiono became our new foreign minister _despite having no relevant background_ at all e.g. in Indonesia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Kementerian Luar Negeri Indonesia) or similar. Mrs. Retno Marsudi as the previous Indonesia's Minister of Foreign Affairs for 10 years has been very careful for maintaining Indonesia's position in North Natuna Sea; she was an experienced diplomat & ambassador before. So did Mr. Marty Natalegawa, her predecessor, also a skilled diplomat.

[@chunchunmaru3093]

@@notjohnnyrico my guess is because he is the closest person or the most trusted person for Prabowo which means Prabowo want to handle this problem personally for international relation. if there's someone from a relevant background become a foreign minister... a private phone call from Prabowo to Donald trump won't be happen because there's a lot of consideration before doing that, and we can see that Prabowo always trying to request Donald trump to call him whenever he wants. I think Prabowo will play international politics by his instinct as a general, nationalist and leader not by the book because our position is different, we're not Singapore, Philippine, Malaysia, EU, Africa... there's a risk of course, but I think it's worth to try to see the outcomes. and we can see now that Gibran handle everything related to local problem or go to the field which require a lot of energy as a youngster. it's a kinda silly guess, but well.. just an opinion from a concerned citizen 🤔

[@wenderis]

A balanced take.

[@notjohnnyrico]

@@chunchunmaru3093 Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's English skill, military background, and geopolitics understanding are excellent if not better than Prabowo's, yet he still appointed the experienced Mr. Marty Natalegawa as Indonesia's Foreign Minister. Prabowo's foreign stance felt too rushed including this misstep on handling the 10 Dash Lines illegal claim & the impulsive decision to include Indonesia as a partner in BRICS (remember BRICS doesn't change China's stance on its territorial claim in India & 10 Dash Lines). Gibran? Since the controversy over constitutional changes for his vice-president candidacy (quoted from Tempo & The Guardian), the public trust for him is already waning maybe. Out of Topics, by the way.

[@wymmyw8744]

@@notjohnnyrico idk how is the 9 dash line ilegal in the first place.. the arbiration can't give a one sided ruling.. that's just fact.. china didn't even attend the arbitration, therefore, it's illegal.. 9 dash line was drawn by the republic of china in 1947 to adapt qing empire's territory to the new map at that time.. and china do have their documents that even taipei have them too.. UNCLOS was formed in the 80s.. therefore UNCLOS does not have any precedence to historical facts.. UNCLOS is not a UN body.. it's only recognized by the UN.. even america only a signatory but has yet to ratify.. again, an arbitration can't give a one sided ruling.. if they can, why don't they do something about palestine..? without america and israel present..

[@kokodayo5796]

What an easy to understand explanation I have no idea what is all about until now Thank you so much Mr.Made 🙏

[@chvhndrtntlr3482]

Well, I believe we have deal under table with China, since we have a lot of debt from them, this is part of the deal And I believe new Indonesian president also know about it since he once has opposite stance from JoKowi, Indonesia former president about natuna ZEE and the conflict with chinese fishermen back then

[@luarbiasawaras8700]

Nooo, the debts are usual business

[@briantarigan7685]

Jesus Christ, not the debt again, this is the BIGGEST Red Herring in Indonesian economy, it doesn't make any sense how a country that only has the equivalent debt of 33% of it's GDP, only 20% of those can be classified as foreign debt are somehow having this huge " debt problem" literally 80% of Indonesia's debt are coming from the selling of obligation to mainly domestic entities. This is purely geopolitical and security decision, this, combined with Indonesia's willing entry into BRICS sounds like Prabowo wants to intensifies relationship between Indonesia and China.

[@bhagwanbhagchandani5627]

READ NEWS CHINA IS MAKING INDONESIA RICH ?

[@Eye-xg9bz]

Soon, China will send fishermen to natuna to test reaction from indonesia..

[@luarbiasawaras8700]

@Eye-xg9bz Indonesian seaweed Farmer will greet them

[@mustakimm.a.7320]

The illegal claimer trying to justify their claim through legal ways. Let's call it Territorial Laundering, similar to Money Laundering

[@csking6377]

Learn some real history, will you?

[@JePkphn]

Fuck your history, we live the present time you fucking historian​@@csking6377

[@melvinchen8355]

​@csking6377 What "history", 1930s? In the 1930s Dalian (Port Arthur) was the territory of Imperial Japan & Danzig of Poland was the territory of Nazi Germany, so can today's Japan & Germany claim that..?

[@mustakimm.a.7320]

@csking6377 clearly you only learn history from China

[@ryanspinoza6586]

@@csking6377History taught me portugal and spain owned and claimed Taiwan first. I am genuinely curious if the CCP owned news medias are reminding you guys about that considering they like to bring up “history”.

[@arvi7281]

Dijual daerah kita untuk dapat pinjaman billions of dollars. Nice

[@ravicgybnimous6144]

Agreed, Prof Andi. What makes the Nine-Dash Line particularly controversial is its legal vagueness and historical ambiguity. The line has no clear geographic basis in international law, and the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague rejected its legitimacy in a 2016 ruling in a case brought by the Philippines. However, China continues to dismiss this ruling, citing “historical rights” and using its military and economic influence to enforce the claim, despite opposition from other Southeast Asian nations. As an Indonesian, as far as i know, this situation feels especially unreasonable, as it is not even claiming the contested Spratly or Paracel Islands but simply seeking to protect its rights in its own EEZ. The Nine-Dash Line, therefore, isn’t just a geopolitical boundary-it has become a symbol of China's willingness to unilaterally push territorial claims, often at the expense of smaller nations with lesser bargaining power. Like you said at the end of the video, "what's going on here?" I hate to say this but it seems like there are "ongoing various speculations" under-the-table or unofficial arrangements which may be occurring and off the record, given the complexities of geopolitics in this area.

[@Phoenix-bq7lw]

There is nothing vague about the Nine-Dash line if you study the real UNCLOS, not the one presented by the West. What makes it vague is the Western propaganda to serve their interests. After all, the Nine-Dash Line has existed for decades without anyone challenged it, only after America's pivot to Asia that the Nine-Dash Line become a problem. There is nothing strange about what Prabowo is doing. Malaysian PM Anwar Ibrahim also states that even if we have border dispute, it should not interfere with cooperations and border dispute should be solve through dialogs. For being accused of bowing to China by Mehdi Hasan, Anwar points out that he has his own intelligence department and his actions are not dictated by Western media, facts. Malaysia's intelligence agency is quite capable. Indonesia's intelligence agency BIN is also quite capable agency to provide insights to Prabowo and Jokowi before him. There is nothing legal about the Permanent Court of Arbitration. It is not a UN agency, or any world-recognized agency. It is an organization where two parties would agree to some arbitration to solve their problems. To do so, both parties must agree to be arbitrated. Even so, its ruling has no authority to overrule UNCLOS or any other UN treaty. And nobody abides PCA rulings, such as Timor Leste vs Australia, among many other rulings against America. In fact the first and only ruling of PCA ever implemented was the Dutch recognized of Indonesia's independence as United States of Indonesia or Republik Indonesia Serikat (RIS) in 1949. And as I recall, even we refused to accept it, to return to Negara Kesatuan Republic Indonesia NKRI. So if China accept it, it would be humiliation. And as a dignified country, we know what it feels to be humiliated in the Reformasi era.

[@Kampfer014]

easy: china wants to claim all the natural gas n petroleum deposits of the South China Sea

[@eduardoquirino8131]

This is disturbing news and the question is: What did China do to convince Prabowo to issue the joint statement? Natuna and it's Exclusive Economic Zone belongs to Indonesia. This is respected by the world community.

[@intothemoat]

It's an assurance that China won't be claiming Indonesian's territory, it's positive in my opinion.

[@melvinchen8355]

No. It mentions "overlapping claims".. it implies that Indonesia is claiming its own EEZ. Positive only for PR China.

[@bintangmaulana9816]

China will not claming any territory, if they want to do so, the west will not stay silent, as taiwan situation

[@melvinchen8355]

@@bintangmaulana9816 "China will not claiming any territory otherwise west will not stay silent". Nope. China claims anyway. China's territorial claim in India happened in 1962 despite India was nonbloc country & was the biggest buyer of Soviet Union arms, the west was not even involved. Now it still happening despite India's membership in BRICS.

[@melvinchen8355]

@@bintangmaulana9816 China also invaded Paracel Island in 1974 and Vietnam in 1979, again, f1lthy west wasn't involved.

[@Eastwind99]

@@melvinchen8355 The same situation here with Vietnam: When China made the claim over the islands in South China Sea, Vietnam did not exist as a sovereign country: it was the French colony for 100 year even then. The French had NO RIGHTS to make any claims on the islands since they were the barbaric occupiers half a globe away from this area. In 1957, then Vietnam's Premier Pham Van Dong even sent an official diplomatic cable to China recognizing and supporting China's claims over the islands on south China Sea. In 1974, China took action to recover the Paracel Island which was occupied by the former Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam). in December 1978, Vietnam launched a naked invasion of Cambodia and overthrew the sovereign government of Cambodia which was recognized by the WHOLE WORLD. Hence United Nations, including ALL ASEAN countries condemned and imposed complete sanctions and embargo on Vietnam for decades. in February 1979, China launched a punitive military operation to teach aggressive Vietnam a lesson and within 3 weeks Chinese troops leveled COMPLETELY Vietnam's 6 border provinces before withdrew her troops back.

[@Fr.VeniceLAI]

Agree ... truly a rather DANGEROUS and PERILOUS Agreement ... permitting and allowing someone who has ZERO Rights nor any legal claim ... to own and possess one's property ownership, as well as to share one's property, just becos this far-living & far-away neighbor fellow is much much taller and obviously endowed with rather large muscular statue. Likely worse, once taken the share, just like many Chinese JV businesses ...once profitable the other non-Chinese partner gets kicked-out.

[@andrikharismawibawa4245]

Keep it critical and Independent like this sir, i subscribed you now.

[@editorizal]

Sugiono dan Prabowo harus bertanggung jawab

[@georgepinlac9075]

Wondering how Indonesia thinks this way did just violated the 1982 UNCLOS, this should be addressed in ASEAN a clear violation.

[@qingzhou9983]

simple, Chinese claim is 1946 11 dash-lines (9 dash-lines today). So it could not violate the much later 1982 Law. Learn some history. Or at least really listening what the other side is saying.

[@thegodsofgalaxy2109]

We are playing with fire pak, this is very dangerous policy.

[@ErwinRommel-go7ld]

I Made Andi Arsana.....You are absolutely right...

[@medx1553]

Dia dapat jatah dari 1,6 miliar dolar, bagian propaganda dari AS

[@melvinchen8355]

​@@medx1553China RRC sama-sama melakukan pr00p4g4nda hanya saja China tidak transparan menyebut pendanaannya untuk operasi mereka berapa. CG**TN & CC**TV adalah media pr0p4g4nda China. Tahun 2021, beberapa spy sea drones bertuliskan Shenyang Institute ditemukan nelayan Indonesia di Sulawesi Selatan. Tahun 2021 & 2022, kapal militer RRC salah satunya kapal survei militer Da Yang Hao 2x menyelonong lewat Selat Sunda tanpa ijin Bakamla/TNI AL.

[@cerita-menarik]

Pk Made tlong buat yg berbhs Indonesia agar bisa menjadi pencerahan👍

[@casadorzone]

It was happened in the Philippines. China told to Phils to have Joint venture but it was not materialize due to china's greedy contracts.

[@tyopratomo5688]

China really know how to deal with the Indonesian govt. Gun boat diplomacy & Investments worked well.

[@Lawin4407]

GOD BLESS INDONESIA!!!💪💪💪🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭👍👍👍

[@Maak-d7f]

Mmg berbahaya jika ada rasuah dlm perjanjian kerjasama ini

[@ricosubekti1450]

we dancing with fire 🔥🕺🔥

[@arileo6304]

Dancing with dragon

[@Gerry08-m6u]

China will soon have a historical claim on Natuna island. Indonesia shouldn't disrupt peace and stability in the region and must agree to joint development.. What happens to our sovereign rights?

[@Cyan_Nightingale]

That lines in the document, OMG. Since when Indonesia & P.R.China have "overlapping claims"? So ambigous. That can imply we Indonesians are "claiming" instead of rightfully *owning* our own EEZ. Plus it also means we are acknowledging P.R.China's 10 Dash Lines, instead of bashing it off as just an "illegal claim" & should not be a topic in a formal statement between the two countries. P.R.China has been known for using "greyzone" or "let it ambiguous" tactics. Including using fishermen as their "PLA Maritime Militias" to enforce their Ten-Dash Lines claim on various Southeast Asia seas.

[@seankrisnanda3062]

Baru aja menjabat sudah merugikan😢😢

[@HartonoPhone-k1v]

9 dash line hukum kuno,unclos adalah hukum masakini,update

[@WahyuSaputra-i9n]

Whoa didnt know Pak Dosen juga ngeyoutube haha biasanya suka liat di ig aja😅

[@FajarRiyadi-h8g]

Kebijakan hubungan luar negeri jangka panjang yg strategia seperti ini seharusnya tidak bisa ditentukan oleh pemerintahan yg secara politik hanya berkuasa 5 thn atau 10 thn. Ini harusnya melewati DPR utk disyahkan tidaknya. Ini keputusan yg besar, bukan hanya mempengaruhi hubungan Jkt-Beijing saja, tp juga mempengaruhi perselisihan dan klaim antara negara2 yang saat ini sedang berselisih dan saling klaim di wilayah tersebut. Tentunya negara2 seperti Vietnam, Filipina, Malaysia dll skrng sedang marah pd Indonesia karena secara tidak langsung mensetujui klaim 9-dashline nya China.

[@wongsala4407]

Mana ada menyetujui klaim 9 dash line, penggiringan opini

[@pangitko3142]

ang pilipinas wala itong pakialam sa iba basta kung ano lang ang kasunduan sa international law yon lang ang sinosunod, ngayon matibay ang claim ng pilipinas sa territory na pinag,aagawa dahil ginawa itong batas ng pilipinas ang mga territory ng pilipinas at naka support ang award ng international law, seguro itong china lang hindi susunod dahil sa pangarap niyang maging super power na bansa,pero ang mga kapitbahay na bansa ng pilipinas susunod talaga ito sa batas na ginawa ng pilipinas sa territory dahil naayon ito sa international law.

[@mdandels99]

meskipun sekarang dipimpin oleh seorang pensiunan militer tp jiwanya sudah 90% pengusaha 😅

[@notjohnnyrico]

Menteri Luar Negerinya sekarang (Sugiono) juga bukan orang berlatar belakang diplomat.. Yang bisa kita notice: Dari jaman Bpk. Hassan Wirajuda, Bpk. Marty Natalegawa, hingga Bu Retno Marsudi semuanya punya latar belakang pendidikan relevan dan berpengalaman bahkan berkarir dari bawah sebagai diplomat di Deplu/Kemlu.

[@Cys62]

​@@notjohnnyricopantas terlihat olehku sepertinya org ini novice bgt.... prilakunya .... Konon ada info bahwa terpilihnya para menterinya krn faktor loyalitas, dan juga kenapa perlu wamen 2... ini konon kabarnya u backup menterinya yg non professional di bidangnya. Saya pribadi ga kaget, krn ps ini bukan pilihan ku....

[@anantaprimawan2234]

​@@Cys62karir militernya wowo juga banyak dibantu oleh mertuanya kalo sekarang orang ribut soal slamet gopay karena dibantu sama bapak dan pamannya ya wowo juga gitu dulunya waktu di militer makanya karirnya kan serasa dikarbit gitu baru umur 30an pangkat udah letkol awal 40an udah brigjen emang sih dia pernah ikut perang di tim-tim terutama tapi kan gak cuma dia aja yg ikut perang di sana hampir semua perwira TNI-AD yg sejaman dengan wowo pernah ke tim-tim dan banyak yg berprestasi tapi mereka harus rela mengalah supaya wowo karirnya bisa melesat

[@WinDonX]

Haha...Usahanya pun yg fast cash, bukan yg pake mikir dan usaha keras. Modusnya ketahuan kok. Larinya ke "papa minta saham".

[@TuanSanyoto]

​@@anantaprimawan2234Hey bung..saya sudah hampir 20 tahun beRkarier di militer, dan yang namanya hubungan kedekatan keluarga itu salah satu faktor penentu😅 kariermu moncer..di buku leadership pun faktor utama penentu kesuksesan network itu nomor1, kecerdasan nomor ke 23 (dua puluh tiga) artinya lu pinter g berguna kalo g ada yang ngasih jalan...

[@End-w8f]

China pura-pura gila. Semua itu mereka lakukan karena industri mereka haus akan bahan bakar. Laut Cina Selatan kaya akan minyak dan gas. Kalau kita mengikuti kemauan orang gila, berarti kita juga sama gilanya.

[@comchadelalora]

Poor or non-existent foreing policy strategy from Indonesia. Another asean country biting the dust.

[@liesterminator153]

How much of 1.6b did u get?

[@melvinchen8355]

Meanwhile how much billions the Chindos get from the bamboo network?

[@satriojumeneng7055]

No, no, no ..... Your view is totally wrong. According to UNCLOS, you can only draw 200 nautical miles from the point of your territorial land. However you need to know that China's territorial land is not the mainland, but at the Spratly Islands and all the islands within the South China Sea ! That's why China is a signatory of UNCLOS because China wanted to claim all of the South China Sea as its EEZ.

[@melvinchen8355]

No, No, No.. Spratly Islands is not even legally recognized territory of P.R.China

[@melvinchen8355]

For the info. Spratly Islands sat closer to the coast of Vietnam & Philippines than to China.

[@satriojumeneng7055]

@@melvinchen8355 It's not about closer to the Philippines or China, but it's about who owned it in the past. It's clear that China owned it in the past before the coming of colonizers from Europe.

[@satriojumeneng7055]

@@melvinchen8355 The Spratly Islands were once China's territory before colonizers from Europe arrived. Now, China wants it back.

[@christianguzman4688]

Nah there a map from 4000 bc that shows china owns the world and the moon.

[@ryanspinoza6586]

I really really wish southeast asian governments study thoroughly the diplomatic history between Philippines and China from 1990s when US bases were kicked out, up until 2022 when another pro-china president came to office who at the last year of his office were starting to have doubts about the CCP’s promises. DO. NOT. Trust the CCP at all cost. Philippines had to learn this the hard way, use deterrence or force to stop their claims. Like a hungry predator in a jungle, showing fear won’t make them back down, it makes them even more aggressive. Now all former pro-china politicians here in the Philippines are silent and felt betrayed.

[@kingofsquids]

Yes Indonesia needs US and Australian bases in their country to keep them safe! And decouple from China's economy

[@ryanspinoza6586]

@ Lol, they don’t need it. Indonesia has a big enough navy and they are much further away from China with no Chinese military bases right beside them. China will NEVER dare fight Indonesia if they don’t show fear and immediately use their navy whenever China tries to enforce their 9 or 11 dash line claims I’m 100% sure of that. Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, India, and Japan are enough trouble for them, they wouldn’t dare add another country in that list, especially now that US and EU are also condemning their SCS claims.

[@bs9787]

ASEAN : Segitu aja nyali ?

[@mariotedjo16]

Pak Wowo berani amat ya. Awas kalau sampai wilayah kita kena senggol, wowo yang kusalahkan.

[@epsinurwijayadi7332]

The United States has not signed or ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

[@putrasetiawan2331]

Makanya amerika bisa leluasa menjelajahi samudera bumi menggunakan armada kapal perangnya ya, tanpa takut disanksi UNCLOS 😮

[@bang4buck326]

@@putrasetiawan2331 UNCLOS itu bagian dari PBB kan, hukum kasta tertinggi dalam PBB itu hak VETO... makanya UNCLOS gak ada gunanya bagi negara negara VETO.

[@notjohnnyrico]

Yet China doesn't obey UNCLOS. This is not about USA vs China. This is about smaller countries (like Indonesia) against the bullying from superpower countries who hold Veto rights in UN (China included).

[@gunh4129]

@@notjohnnyrico And so, what your conclusion about that? To take side with the West? If so, then aren't you just a pro-west supporter who want to bring our country into Western power laps? If not, then as a non block country, what should we do? If we side with China, sooner or later US will attack us with everything that they got. But if we side US, then China also will attack us with everything they got. Because we are important for both of them, but critical to China. China won't left us alone if we side with the West and act like Philippine. But US won't left us alone either if we join China side and oppose them. But between the two, China will be fiercer. Because our position is critical for them. I think what Prabowo do is balancing both side in term of diplomacy and relationship. just like what he said in his speak in front of the cabinet. He wants to be seen as China friend, without leaving US behind. It's all need a great deal of strategy to do that right. Just look at China, they can even sacrifice their own territory for the sake of relationship with other countries. Just read their history, on how their solve their overlapping territory with Vietnam (land border dispute), Russia, etc. They willing to sacrifice the mountain that they captured during Sino-Vietnam war, by giving them back to Vietnam. They only failed to do that with India and Asean in SCS. For ASEAN, it was only erupt after 2009, when the US want to pivot China, by provoking ASEAN Countries back then. I remember after that, Pinoy president, Noynoy start to broke their border treaty with China and push their UNCLOS claim again. Then China declare the 9 Dash Line claim. So what do you think the best course for Indonesia? To join US pivot to China, and become Aussie meat shield? Simply because when the war erupt between China and the West, we are the one that they will attack first, before they can reach Australia land. Or become China's babu, by becoming China starting point for their offensive war against Aussie? Or we can just stay out of the conflict, like "Swiss" (sorry forget the English name for this country, Switz or something) in world war 2 by strengthen our military and stay out of conflict, by befriend both parties? Who care about 9 dash line, it's not our problem. Rather than opposing China 9 dash line, we should find a way to make China left Natuna alone without any conflict. Look at our military power. We are even weaker than Hamas and Houthi. At least they have a lot of rocket and missile to bombard Israel, but what do we got? Infantry men. We can't even make Cold War Era weapons by ourselves, even when that era already long gone. We don't have any technology that we can depend. So what should Prabowo do? He realized that geopolitics has become hotter and hotter. So he wants to save Indonesia, no matter how. Because Prabowo knows, even if Indonesia stay "Bebas Aktif", when the war between China and US start, our land will become the battlefield. That's if we don't have the power to protect our peace. Let me tell you, I don't even vote for Prabowo, I don't like Gibran for his way to raise in power. I prefered Mahfud MD. But I know that Prabowo do this for the sake of our country. Even if we lose the ZEE, compared to Sipandan and Ligitan, and Timor Leste, as long as the result can save us from the future disaster, it is nothing.

[@UlyaGaniya]

​@@notjohnnyricorubbish, even with a small country like Spore this country also got bullied for decades, let's face the truth, traitor mentality inherited for generations, anything goes for money

[@elpablitorodriguezharrera]

Yeah this is a latent problem few people discussed it, so dangerous

[@androusandroid1326]

Indonesia dalam ekonomi yang mangkrak mahu ikutan China.. parah

[@zafir7007]

Is Indonesia is now saying that they recognise the ninedash line?

[@amiigose]

yg benar, jadi teman amerika adalah fatal😂😂😂, ingat sebelumnya Pak Prabowo di blacklist tdk boleh masuk ke amerika, skrg amerika manggut2 ama Pak Prabowo, ati2 ama mamarika

[@melvinchen8355]

Jadi teman Tiongkok RRC juga fatal. Lihat apa jadinya Laos & Kamboja yg jadi "sekutu" RRC dan satu-satunya negara di ASEAN yg mengakui 10 Dash Lines. Malah dijadikan sarang kasino & money laundering orang mainland Chinese. Zhao Wei, g4ngster asal RRC pun beroperasi dgn bebas disini. Banyak orang Indonesia yg jadi korban dijebak oleh sindikat judi di Kamboja dan sampai sekarang tidak dapat pulang kembali.

[@amiigose]

@melvincendana8355 bedakan mana pemerintah mana org dul, lha ente blm tau kalau banyak orang cina yang ditangkap ama pemerintah cina karena scam dll 😂😂😂😂, cma cek yang berteman ama amerika hidupnya gmna contoh libya, afganistan, somalia, irak, iran, mesir 😂😂😂

[@guardian860]

Sering2 gunakan otaknya mas jgn mulut terus nyerocos.

[@Darma_TVC]

Menyerahkan laut natuna utara dan memberikan keleluasaan kepada china

[@jaytee_justin]

Great explanation ❤

[@claesmalmberg4806]

All the stories are not for Indonesia and Indonesians, it is a show and orchestration for the Philippines, that's why there is no sovereign contention.

[@samuelsinaga]

Pintarnya Prabowo dan pejabat terkait. sangkin pintarnya jadi double. akhirnya jadi "pintar-pintaran" 🤐 sekalian aja jual Laut Natuna ke cina. jgn nanggung pak prabowo.

[@christianguzman4688]

Bruh whats indonesia smoking.

[@NEOSCISSORSJAGUARPRIME]

CHINA FENTANYL

[@erlanggarozy]

APAKAH INI ARTINYA SESEORANG SEDANG MENGADAIKAN LAUT NATUNA UTARA........

[@moh6410]

kita hrs merapat barisan bersama amerika

[@AhamdMushaffa]

We don't know what happend.people making assumptions as if they know what happend

[@Phoenix-bq7lw]

True. They are very susceptible to propaganda and misinformations. But that's what intelligence warfare is all about. Anwar Ibrahim is very correct and wise when he said that he relies on his own intelligence gatherings and not what reported in the media.

[@katasayaloh7396]

By saying this, you are also making assumption. Please read newspapers and watch the international news. It's been widely discussed. No assumption whatsoever

[@Kuraminz]

To be clear. There should not be at all any talk about it. You can't make a deal that don't follow any form of guidelines. By doing what has been done, you are doing a statement that your behind Chinese claims.

[@Blackburger28]

Pada intinya kita mengakui 9 Dash line ya pak 🥲

[@pratomocahyonugroho2040]

We can not doing anything...😂

[@Steve-so7uk]

ini deal business bukan territory

[@djunasidharta3812]

Betul bro, manusia sok pinter obat nyamuk dikira bumbu, dicampur kedalam sup

[@MoanDiding]

Experimental policy.

[@cywong9101]

You have miss out the nine dash line territorial claimed by China that established after World War Two that International Court and Indonesia not even existed yet.

[@folag]

Nonsense. Lawyers like this not lack common sense, they even have a dubious comprehension of the law.

[@cashmerecat9269]

Remember.. US senate has signed an agreement to spend 1.6b dollars to pay any media, person, activist, or whoever that openly smear China..it's a huge of money.. I hope you'll get your share.

[@notjohnnyrico]

@@cashmerecat9269 while China had spent undisclosed amount of money for their MSS (secret agent) operation, bribery for other country's officials, and the funding for their propaganda machines (CGTN & CCTV channels included).

[@TheMap1997]

Wtf. Practically any academics with sound mind and integrity criticising Prabowo China's deal. It's a matter of national interest.

[@melvinchen8355]

​@@TheMap1997So many pro P.R.C account doubles including cashmerecat & satriojumeneng, trying to justify the 10 Dash Lines based on some vague & unrecognized historical basis, then using whataboutism by comparing China to USA, while this is about the sovereignty of smaller countries e.g. Vietnam, Philippines, and Indonesia against the bullying act of China. Be careful.

[@melvinchen8355]

China just didn't disclose the amount of money it spent for its pr00p4g4nda, while China equally done that. Interestingly, there were P.R.Chinese espionage sea drones found by Indonesian Fishermen in North Natuna Sea & near Sulawesi sea. In 2021, China's military surveillance ship Da Yang Hao passed the Sunda Strait without permission to Indonesia Navy.

[@melvinchen8355]

Plus remember that Huawei is a P.R.China's state-owned company, then also CCTV & CGTN blatantly supporting the 10 Dash Lines & wh1it3washing whatever China did. There is more than just 1.6 billion dollars of funding involved for these operations.

[@jhonburjo9727]

Ya salah Mbah Karno dulu Indonesia pengen jadi negara non blok tidak mau bersekutu jika perang pecah tidak ada negara manapun yg mau bantu karena kita bukan sekutu mereka. Jika mau non blok negaramu harus kuat dan negara maju jika hanya negara miskin dan lemah tidak ada yg di takutin. Contoh Singapura,Taiwan,Korsel,Qatar,dll mereka negara kecil tapi tidak ada yg berani mengusiknya karena mereka punya sekutu

[@DragoEX]

Bos, gw nanya negara bersekutu itu membangun kekuatan militer bersama kan? Blok lain yg berseketu apa diam? Bikin yg lebih kuat lg dg riset dan membuat senjata yg lbh canggih dan dahsyat sbg pemusnah masal kan. Lalu antar blok terprovokasi dan terintimidasi ga? Sekali terpecik api terbakar itu, sbab naluri dasar manusia adalah mendominasi bila mempunyai kekuatan kolektif. Otomatis akan melemahkan pihak lain. Maka dari itulah konflik di dunia ini tjd. Ingat sejarah WW 1 dan 2, smua tjd dari bersekutu sekalipun mereka sdh sbg negara merdeka.Negara yg ga bersekutu sejak kemerdekaan nya apa sudah pernah tjd perang besar? Contoh aja Indonesia stlh merdeka apa pernah tjd perperangan hingga kini? Beda dg masalah friksi perselisihan perbatasan dan separatisme.

[@DragoEX]

Setidaknya kita bersyukur adanya UN meski belum maksiman menjaga perdamaian dunia, setidaknya mengerem dari perspektif kolektif negara2 di dunia. Namun konsep sekutu dalam militer itu sangat beresiko, lbh baik joint statement dlm menjaga keamanan kawasan sbab tdk ada sumber daya yg digabung bersama sbg sbuah aliansi.

[@UlyaGaniya]

Negara seupil kayak Spore aja bisa bully Indonesia scr ekonomi dan militer krn ada uncle shame dibelakangnya, it's just plain st*p*d advocating non block without sufficient influence, economic and millitary might

[@ranapriliaful]

rak mudeng sejarah yo ngono kui. lagian kalau mau tahu apa yang terjadi jika negara Indonesia diserang, udah dijelasin sama salah satu jendral amrik. Indonesia justru ditakuti karena temannya banyak meski nggak bersekutu. sifat kita yang netral udah banyak disegani negara. bahkan amrik nggak mau Indo jatuh ke tangan negara lain. kalau ada yang nyerang, 3 negara superpower bakal ikut terpengaruh karena masing2 punya kepentingan mereka sendiri di Indonesia karena satu2nya negara terbesar di asean.

[@hadihariman9704]

Geopolitics is at play here. Go where the wind blows the strongest. The evil empire is on the brink of collapse. New powers rise, and a smart move would be to appease the rising power and abandon the rotting corpse. Some concessions had to be made (presumably), in order to gain something. It's simple trade. We do not know what is being traded for this deal yet. Probably some major investment such as the belt and road initiative, military tech aid (hypersonic missiles), or manufacturing investment in EV and superconductors/smartphone, or some BRICS advantage.

[@melvinchen8355]

So many Indonesians are trapped by P.R.Chinese gambling syndicates in Cambodia and unable to return home, one of the gambling syndicates is Zhao Wei, a not0rious Ch1nese g4ngster.

[@melvinchen8355]

More like the ev1l empire is replaced by another ev1l empire. Just because there is a lion there, doesn't mean the kancil must appease the crocodile nearby.

[@hadihariman9704]

@@melvinchen8355 China has not invaded any country in 30 years and only has 1 military base outside China: in Djibouti. China build schools and roads in Africa and Asia. Not a single bomb is dropped by China. Clearly China is not the evil empire. So, which one is the evil empire? Who has 800+ military bases? Who invaded Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia? That's the evil empire. If you can't see the difference, you are either blind or having cognitive dissonance.

[@bernardiaVEVO]

The world for sale

[@guz3108]

Nine dash sudah ada jauh sebelum ZEE. Working together both nation akan menguntungkan. Percuma masuk status quo.

[@melvinchen8355]

Sejak kapan "Nine Dash Lines" sudah ada sebelum konsep ZEE? coba lebih spesifik lagi

[@melvinchen8355]

Kalo dasarnya "sejarah ribuan tahun yg lalu".. ya berarti Mongolia boleh dong ngeklaim wilayahnya China karena Mongolia kan pernah nguasain China, begitu juga India boleh klaim seluruh wilayah Pakistan & Italia boleh nguasain Laut Mediterranian karena sejarah masa lalunya.

[@Cyan_Nightingale]

@@guz3108 Menguntungkan bagi Tiongk0k maksudnya? Karena itu wilayah ZEE sah Indonesia berdasarkan UNCLOS. Sedangkan 10-dash lines baru sekedar klaim saja.

[@melvinchen8355]

@@Cyan_Nightingale 😆😆 Sudah ada sebelum ZEE katanya.. kok ga sekalian aja nyuruh Mongolia kembali menguasai China, seperti dalam sejarah.

[@Cyan_Nightingale]

@@melvinchen8355 Ya kan Tiongk0k hanya mau pilih-pilih suatu babak sejarah kalo itu dapat menguntungkan kepentingannya saja. Itupun sejarahnya masih wagu

[@gfbwyd7445]

Jokowi kelihatan klemer2, tapi setidaknya untuk kasus LCS dia berani stand up against PRC. Prabowo ketika di pidato pelantikan sok nasionalis, tapi melempem seperti kerupuk kena kuah panas ketika berhadapan dengan RRC. Bahkan ketika teleponan dengan Trump, ngomongnya "sir, sir, sir" terus. Padahal Trump sama sekali tidak pernah sebut Prabowo dengan sebutan "sir". Dia cuma pakai kata "you". Salah satu teman saya di luar negeri sampai bercanda, "I thought Trump was talking to his housekeeper". Prabowo mantan jendral kalau ngomong sih sok keras, but in reality he lacks the backbone when dealing with the world superpowers.

[@notjohnnyrico]

@@gfbwyd7445 bukan karena Jokowi. Gawangnya dijaga bu Retno Marsudi mungkin 🤣 Jokowi fell for a big debt trap.. look at KCIC. 80 yrs of concession. Even Mr. Ignasius Jonan criticized the project. He was the key figure behind the positive transformation of Indonesia Railways (PT KAI). His opinion was that KCIC is not Indonesia's main priority currently, many islands outside Java island don't even have conventional railway network. Also, he worried that the scheme for KCIC was not going to be B to B & the concession for that project was too long (50 years).

[@gfbwyd7445]

@casioak1683 Bu Retno kan menterinya Jokowi. Setidaknya jaman Jokowi, Indonesia tidak pernah mengakui punya wilayah yang overlapping dengan RRC. Untuk soal KCIC, saya masih agak ambigu. Jika melihat biaya pembangunannya dibanding dengan pemasukan dari penjualan tiket dan sponsor, memang Indonesia rugi. Tapi KCIC juga membuka peluang terbentuknya pusat ekonomi yang baru. Misalnya daerah Tegal Luar yang diproyeksikan akan menjadi kota satelit baru penyandang Bandung. Efeknya belum dirasakan sekarang (kebanyakan masih berupa sawah), tapi mungkin baru bisa dirasakan 20-30 tahun lagi. Efek ekonomi ini yang sering tidak dilihat orang. Yang jadi pertanyaannya adalah apakah proyeksi ini akan menjadi kenyataan? Hanya waktu yang bisa menjawabnya.

[@notjohnnyrico]

@gfbwyd7445 seorang presiden gak ahli di semua bidang apalagi geopolitik sedangkan Jokowi hanya lulusan S1 Kehutanan, makanya ada menteri, orang yg ahli di bidangnya. Meski menteri ada yg diisi bukan oleh ahlinya tapi karena alasan politis. Kalo jabatan Menlu dari jaman Pak Hassan Wirajuda ampe sekarang Bu Retno Marsudi semuanya diisi ahli, berpengalaman sebagai diplomat di Kemlu RI.

[@theseaofserenity01]

Apa salahnya dengan "sir"? Sir kan sama artinya dengan Pak!

[@anantaprimawan2234]

​@@theseaofserenity01kata sir itu menunjukkan hubungan atasan-bawahan harusnya dia panggil Trump sebagai Mr Trump karena dia belum dilantik

[@1xm_mx1]

China drew its own map in crayon like 500 years ago, and claims it owns the territory. When the law of the sea is mentioned, China throws a tantrum.

[@deeh1048]

Indonesia and China will have "joint development area" in Bandung. 🤣😂

[@bon_playground]

China want's to build oil rig in natuna and sell it to us. It's a give and buy relationship. We will buy our own oil 😂😂

[@g4joker627]

​@@bon_playgroundemang sangat suka diperbudak mental orang Indonesia

[@bitcoinmonitor7144]

the design is very duterte.

[@merongmahawangsa9240]

Bermaksud Indonesia MENGIKTIRAF overlapping claim China

[@KaleksananBagusMassani]

Bro really cut the video just before the best part. This isn't TikTok, there's really no need to be a part two when you can upload 12 hours video. Disappointing.

[@rodelbunag9823]

This is funny 😂😂

[@csking6377]

Maybe you should consider the timeline of historical events to help put matters in perspective. The current situation is not new, nor did it spring out of nowhere. If I were to answer your question at the end, I might make a guess that the Indonesian government is being practical and forward looking instead of being stuck in a stalemate. The Indonesian president is just a mouth-piece and the matter has been worked on behind the scenes for some time. A multi-nation joint declaration is always a government decision, not the president's decision. China first published its 11-dash line (it was 11, then) before the SE Asian claimant countries were even sovereign nations. China had exercised formal administrative and governance authority over the disputed islands since the Qing Dynasty; and had control of that sea for many centuries prior. The territorial boundaries of the newly created SE Asian nations did not include those "rocks" within the 9-dash lines. None of these were disputed facts. UNCLOS was only set up in 1982 . Therefore, China 9-dash (or 11, then) line preceded the UNCLOS. Logically then, territorial boundaries and EEZ zones should be measured from the edge of outermost land mass. In this case, China would view its EEZ as measuring from the outermost island within the 9-dash line. The UNCLOS only gives rights to economic exploitation; it does not define territorial boundaries of a sovereign nation. Isn't it obvious who are the new claimants? Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia were not even in existence as sovereign nations when China first published its 11-dash line map and claimed ownership. The territorial boundaries of the new nations handed over by the colonial masters did not conflict with the 11-dash line. How could these newly sovereign nations now claim more territory that what it inherited from their colonial masters? And most of the loud clamor only started in the 1970s and after UNCLOS, which was long after their respective independence days. In the old, old days, the colonist countries had always deferred to China's strong protests whenever China perceived that the colonists were trying to exert control or occupation over those "bits of rock". Even then, it was already recorded and acknowledged by others that Chinese presence (both physical and military ) was already there, even if they didn't like it since it prevented the colonists from annexing the islands for their own use. If such had happened, we could expect a few more "Guams" right in the middle of SCS now. Which would be a far worse thing to happen. So, from a historical and legalist perspective, whose claim make more sense?

[@yeapsoon3115]

Can countries enter joint exploration and JVs? Of course, "Yes!"

[@nullandvoid5]

With Indonesias way of thinking the west should be really be careful with investing into it, what is worse than China is having two of them in this world

[@adepurwanto5481]

Money talks

[@kumwengmak9900]

Spot on! Just as the title suggests.

[@Steve-so7uk]

kita lihat siapa yang benar dan menguntungkan ?

[@Riko-z3c]

Karena ketakutan prabowo "Indonesia bubar 2030" rujukan novel halu ghost fleet makanya daripada kejadian perang di LCS kayak diNovel mending joint statement sama china

[@privacyhelp]

I'm actually more worried about the Americans in Papua than 9 dash.

[@melvinchen8355]

We're actually more worried about both China in North Natuna Sea and US. Just because there is a lion nearby doesn't mean the crocodile on the other side is safer to approach.

[@melvinchen8355]

It's like choosing between rocks and hard places. No superpower country is better for Indonesia. Indonesia is for Indonesians only

[@panjiwidagdo4125]

How about worrying about all superpower countries whether it's USA, China, and Russia.

[@guardian860]

It will be even worse when China or Russia takes the world's hegemony. If it wasn't western pressure there would be no religion in Russia and China and the Soviet Union will still exist and even expand further to western Europe. It is a matter of choice of who is the better amongst the evil and you don't have to choose any.

[@privacyhelp]

@@melvinchen8355 We? Are you a commie?

[@albertsunaga8802]

Its all good but the world does not work based on only "de jure" basis. Its not that i'm pro China claim but if all works based on UN & international law there will be no issue on Palestine, Ukraine etc. The world also works on "de facto" basis where power decides. Indonesia need to be more powerful on military & economic basis to change the balance of power.

[@gandez9170]

Very big issue, but only Pak Made cares about that...

[@Steve-so7uk]

intinya sumber migas yang mau digarap bersama

[@Cyan_Nightingale]

Padahal itu ZEE sah Indonesia, ngapain China ikutan mengelola.

[@OdessaMalika]

​@@Cyan_Nightingale kalo USA rusuh di laut natuna, china otomatis backup indo , kalo cina macam2 sama indo tinggal cut aja gas Natuna . Geopolitik harus jeli lihat posisi bos

[@bWin6768]

Kesimpulannya, buru buru aja nih presiden tandatangan, menlunya juga diam aja tanda kurang cermat. Waaa, belum 100 hari udah ada blunder 😮.. blunder tanda tidak cermat, dan tidak cermat tanda tidak becus 😂 Let me translate: In conclusion, the president was in a hurry to sign it, the foreign minister was also silent, a sign of not being careful. Wow, it hasn't been 100 days and there's already a blunder 😮.. a blunder is a sign of not being careful, and not being careful is a sign of incompetence 😂

[@nomad_ape]

Ini namanya bernegosiasi dengan maling yang masuk rumah.... lalu pemilik rumah bilang "kamar belakang milik kita bersama ya bang maling...."

[@satriojumeneng7055]

Nggak juga .... China bukan maling tapi pemilik sah dari teritori itu. Hanya karena mereka dijajah bangsa Eropa ratusan tahun sehingga mereka kehilangan hak mereka. Sekarang CHina udah kuat, minta balik lagi wilayah yg dijajah.

[@muhammadnasir3347]

Atas dasar apa klaim kepemilikan nine dash line Laut Natuna Utara yang diakui secara hukum internasional, serius saya tanya?! 😀 Apa cuma gara gara kuat power lantas main klaim saja gitu, enak bener itu namanya 😒

[@wirawansaputraimade4419]

​@@satriojumeneng7055abang minum obat apa bang?

[@FalkultasHukum]

ELO UDAH KEMASUKAN MALING DI FREEPORT 😂😂😂 BANGUN WOI BANGUN

[@satriojumeneng7055]

@@muhammadnasir3347 Atas dasar sejarah sebelum kolonisasi oleh bangsa2 Eropa

[@japjungho4645]

Prof, if you consider that as dangerous, consider the alternative. This is not about who's right. it's more about resolving conflict amicably. I personally think it's great. Nobody loses rights and everyone wins. EDIT: For those who are against the deal, take note that I don't think it's the ideal solution for Indonesia, but it is the better one there is.

[@InayaHaribo]

Just see and prove it 2 years later, laugh about it

[@amistradd5392]

Things with China is that - diberi betis, mahu paha. You are playing with fire holding kerosene can.

[@japjungho4645]

@@InayaHaribo Duh..! of course it's wait and see. I just said it is an amicable solution, not the perfect solution

[@japjungho4645]

@@amistradd5392 you make it sound like it's a given. Greed is in everyone, but so far China has been keeping its promises. Based on that, this deal is a decent solution. How do you base your opinion?

[@Cyan_Nightingale]

@@japjungho4645 "so far China has keeping its promises".. like on how they further enforce the claim by building illegal military bases on Vietnamese & Philippines sea?

[@delatoyahotoya5393]

exactly!

[@hau8072]

I suggest Mr.Made read history more comprehensively. The current sea boundaries were drawn based on the unequal treaties drawn by the colonialists France, England and other European powers during the "scramble for concessions" period when China was weak and powerless. It was never accepted by China Qing dynasty at the time but was bulldozed by the European powers. China is only reclaiming its own territory going back thousand of years. So please dig deeper into the history book before making western propagandist assertion.

[@Cyan_Nightingale]

Since when China (even in the past) was owning the North Natuna Sea?

[@Cyan_Nightingale]

@@hau8072 Also Ming & Qing Empire acquired many territories through military expansion & conquests, including on Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Uighurstan, part of Russia's Siberia, and Formosa (Taiwan). Not through singings & happy partying. By the same assumption, so Italy can own the whole Mediterranean Sea based on its history too?

[@christianguzman4688]

The republicans and communist killed the emperor and think you can just take there terirtory back? No nobody owns that territory by default reconquir it or colonise it cowards.

[@guardian860]

The entire ASEAN includes 40% of dispute water territory belonging to Indonesia too. NUSANTARA 😂

[@hau8072]

@guardian860 sure....ignorant

[@cheemengsiew288]

Of course not in theory Of course yes in practical