A day in the life of an Amiga Team17 Developer | ЯReheated

[@Private-Hudson]

The Alien Breed series by team 17. Great times

[@StayCoolKeto]

Man, I well miss the 80s 90s! I loved team 17 so much!! ❤worms was so good! aahh m an, If only we could go back 😭

[@Horrordelic]

Team17 still release nice games.. CHeck the new Narita Boy for a nice 2d action game ...

[@ΣπύροςΚουκάκης-ι6β]

If only we could go back and stay there forever!!!!...

[@nathancantwell602]

The original worms. Scorched Earth plus Lemmings with guns. Thanks for your incredible work and content. Loving these nostalgic trips back to those very special days of home computing and games. Though it does make me feel old. :D

[@davidfountain6607]

My late wife and I used to play Scorched Earth on her brothers Sinclair Spectrum, before we got married. That's going back a few years now! Thank you for another entertaining video.

[@robsku1]

Wow, I didn't even know there ever was Scorched Earth on Sinclair Spectrum!

[@Lost_n_Found_1]

Fascinating to hear how they overcame some of the challenges of the time. Thank you for sharing!

[@fatabelly]

Fantastic video! A great insight into the background of such a milestone in Gaming. I live in Ossett, the same town as Team 17s old HQ...and it's so sad sometimes when I drive past and reminisce about what was or should be nowadays.

[@RetroRecipes]

I know that feeling. But the great news is the company is still going strong and the CEO has been there for years. Not that I'm not saying she's old, she looks great! I also donated the worms Amiga to the museum near their current offices, so it's all quite a nice story really.

[@fatabelly]

@@RetroRecipes awww that's great news!...so glad that they're still going. Especially in the current tough times when so many smaller businesses have gone bust. Thanks very much for the info though. All the best to you and Ladyfractic...and the Puppies of course ;-)

[@anno5936]

Nicely reheated one... one of those relaxed interviews that are enjoyable to follow instead of a scripted documentary, kinda puts you in touch with legends of your childhood :) Far as Scotland is concerned... Isle of Skye is my favourite

[@---vw9cc]

I was born in '89, so Worms is pretty much one of my favourite Childhoodgames. I do Blender-Rendering myself because I was as a child always fascinated by those intro videos. They are also one of my first memories when thinking of playing it on my brothers PC back then. So Thanks a lot for this Video and bringing back fond memories :) Greetings from Austria

[@CrisBlyth]

This is very rewarding to read ! Great stuff !

[@stephanepiquemal8297]

I didn't play Worms very much on Amiga but I remember playing the PC version with friends. My favourite Team17 game on Amiga was Alien Breed (and later Tower Assault), I played countless of time on this one :)

[@julienderiviere4907]

Definitely can't get enough of these Worms :) Aaah, this brings back fond memories.... If was actually watching one of your Team17 videos earlier today

[@100ThingsIDo]

Always awesome to see an Interview with Cris! Great bloke! :D

[@RetroRecipes]

He sure is!

[@akaimizu1]

The good ol days of Alien Breed and Worms on the Amiga. One of the things that fascinated me about what Worms was becoming (especially by the Director's Cut for Amiga AGA - Which I still own a functioning copy of), was how Worms was introducing the insane options screen where you could turn so many things on and off, decide what items you want available, etc. It started to become a game that was so customizable it kind of felt like you could create a number of Worms games, yourself. Or even emulate the older school artillery games, if you wanted. As Worms progressed, even as far as the excellent WMD, the customizations went through the roof. But still, even fairly early versions of worms brought so many options, I kind of think of options like that, as predecessors of the Mutators for the later-released Unreal Tournament (which offered somewhat similar, if not quite as game changing capabilities to the FPS), or eventually Super Smash Bros custom matches, offering a sort of similar worms customization to creating your own rules of play, and available items. I remember making tons of iff Bitmap Files and converting them to custom levels in Andy Davidson's Director's Cut, and while I kind of missed that feature in following games, in future platforms, they really started to offer even more options and a more robust custom level generator than what I could do with my level images. I get kind of a warm feeling, watching this, knowing I was one of those people who were right there at the beginning, buying Worms at the same time it was blowing up. The way Worms seemed to effortlessly take a popular Artillery game, like the ones we played like crazy on our computers, and threw in nods to platforming, rope Swinging, and fighting games into the mix, with the humor and voices. It was a game which, without being some crazy hardware melting graphics hog, incorporated so many genres of what we already enjoyed into this tongue-n-cheek combat game. The ability to name our own characters, (I was always a fan of naming them after the Addam's Family members), was the key to having us attached to our characters and pushed us to try so hard to not lose a single one. Definitely hard to sacrifice one of those buggers, even during times we find ourselves in a situation where that is the best choice.

[@anttiharju3739]

When I was doing my military service back in the day here in Finland, being able to play Worms at night was a nice break

[@RetroRecipes]

That's wonderful. Thank you for your service.

[@krz9000]

haha same in sonthofen germany. i was a medic at GOB and worms was the only game always played in nightshifts

[@zyairebenson185]

Pro tip: you can watch series on Kaldrostream. Me and my gf have been using it for watching a lot of movies these days.

[@muerto9726]

@@anttiharju3739 Are you NinjaCamel? Greets from Chile camello culiao

[@TheGuruMeditation]

Great interview and awesome ideas about the Reheated videos. I missed this one on the first go around. Thanks RR! -- AmigaBill

[@RetroRecipes]

Yay it worked! ;-) Cheers Bill!

[@Thornado78]

Great episode! Chris: enjoy the Amiga hardware after being away from the crunch. :) You gave us gamers lots of cool gaming moments back in the day, thanks! :)

[@ChrisAnt]

I believe Andy (who wrote Total Wormage whilst at Bournemouth School) based it really on Bombardment because we had a trend of people writing Bombardment clones on graph plotting calculators. A trend which lasted at least another 10 years.

[@MichaelBattaglia]

I remember playing worms with my brothers in the late 90s, it was the first network game in my childhood household

[@RetroRecipes]

Nice!

[@BrainSlugs83]

@14:35 😂🤣🤣 -- I burst out laughing so hard at that, that the dog jumped. 😅

[@johnwells558]

nice to see old friends Tina and Richard Church in the still photos.

[@larsmuldjord9907]

It really struck a chord with me when he talks about visiting friends and hearing the kids outside yelling the phrases from Worms. We did the EXACT same thing in my circle of friends. The speech banks was a huge part of why I loved Worms and I am still a bit miffed that later Worms games moved further and further away from allowing you to create custom speech banks easily. It was one of the first games I modded on PC to have my own voice, pitched higher of course saying all kinds of weird stuff. Good times!

[@RetroRecipes]

That's lovely. I wonder if you were the friends he heard!... ;-)

[@MrRaivokasMagma]

Worms was so funny. Nice to hear from one of the devs how it shaped up.

[@chrlw]

What a lovely fella! Great stories in this video.

[@CrashHeadroom]

The old ALIENS toys, and tazos on your desk. Now that's a dev lol

[@bobbus_74]

Great show once again. 👍

[@rdoetjes]

Lovely Scotsman! I adore Scotland, which is ironic because I never wanted to go there until my brother got married there (on the west coast in a lighthouse). And first you land in Newcastle upon Tyne... and what a dreary dismal place that is. Then two hours later you enter Scotland and it’s a different world. I adore Edinburg, it’s such a quaint little magical place. But the westcoast is indeed very stunning too like Skye is nice but I adore the highlands. The marshes and the hills that stretch out for miles. Oh mannn!

[@RetroRecipes]

Funny my best friend got married there too. I was best man. I greatly enjoyed loch Ness.

[@rdoetjes]

@@RetroRecipes I had expected more form Loch Ness to be honest. I fell in love with Loch Lomond that’s how I’d images Loch Ness to look, only a bit deeper. But yeah, it’s a stunning country.

[@RetroRecipes]

@@rdoetjes Oh you missed the monster? She was very friendly!

[@rdoetjes]

@@RetroRecipes well she actually looked up from the water straight at me and said something like: “there’s no way I can compete with that monster, goodbye!” She packed her bags and waddled across the road.

[@RobA500]

Nice interview sir. Interesting to hear about the Fairlight project, I knew it was an expensive system but not that there were so few of the in existence. With it being retro and your interest in music maybe it’s something that could be followed up on.

[@RetroRecipes]

Great point!

[@cartayno]

"Worms: The Director's Cut" Ftw :)

[@scottminutolo894]

Another great video! Thanks for sharing!

[@RetroRecipes]

Our pleasure!

[@marklechman2225]

I was just playing Worms Armageddon on my Dreamcast the other day! :)

[@82andymac]

Loved the video and wish I could have that A1200 too. Now that the RPi 400 is out and Pimiga OS can emulate any amiga, could you see a 'Worms Demolition Battlefield Pro Ultimate 2021 Gold Annihilation Ultra Mega Fan Edition' being a modern day project for all the lockdown days? WDBPU21GAUMFE seems like the natural progression of the series... BTW I'm from Glasgow and summer started on the Wednesday night.

[@dougbergen8157]

Worms... Ok . Nice to hear the. History of games development. Thx

[@mcbpete]

Might've missed a little blurring in the background 19:50 ;) (soz, it's actually my day job as a legal editor so my eyes instantly spot things like that !)

[@RetroRecipes]

Haha that actually is pixelated as it's from another video, but when shown really small like that the pixelation looks... Not so much 🤭🤷‍♂️ Doing my best here 😉

[@mcbpete]

@@RetroRecipes Gotcha - Shall I remove this comment, don't wanna draw further attention to it 😄

[@RetroRecipes]

@@mcbpete It's no big deal :-)

[@someguy872]

Nice to see the A4000 is in a museum in Holland, i hope to visit it someday! Greetings from Holland

[@RetroRecipes]

I hope so too!

[@magicknight8412]

oooo I want to see the Fairlight when its done! amazing machines. I will have to make do with my Arturia VST one lol

[@RetroRecipes]

Keep an eye on Cris's channel for that! Linky in description 👍🕹

[@aquinamedia4508]

On the topic of Team17, randomly ended up at a party with both Andreas Tadic and Rico Holmes somewhere in late 2000s. Good times and starstruck to say the least 😂

[@eskey691]

Great video was nice to hear how team 17 went about doing things one of my fav team back in the day as i loved the games they did. As for Witchwood maybe they could do something with it as a side project and push it out as an old style rpg on the likes of steam or the likes of. Also have to say i love puppyfractic's trick turning in to a human haha and the fact you asked about them pics found on the computer made me laugh as well, well played. Take care guys and roll on the next video :-)

[@RetroRecipes]

Thanks!!

[@MartinFarrell1972]

Time for my weekly appointments with the Fractics

[@Ray_2097]

Fanastic stuff as usual... 👍🏻.

[@Bassotronics]

PCBWay = People could buy Worms and yodel!

[@RetroRecipes]

I mean, I guess they _could_ !

[@kcowolf]

"Summer was on a Thursday this year."

[@vauxhalldotnet]

I missed this first time around, reheated is a great idea.

[@RetroRecipes]

That's awesome to hear, thank you!

[@sneekeruk]

Worms on the Amiga was cracked by the person I got my first Amiga 1200 off back in 2009, as I never got a 1200 back in the day I jumped ship to the pc from my A500. Ive got an original of it now though, just 25 years too late.

[@31TimM]

I knew Googling 'Charmaine Sinclair' would eventually bring me something wholesome! ;-) Another great vid, cheers!

[@RetroRecipes]

Seriously is that how you found this?

[@31TimM]

@@RetroRecipes Nahh - imagine, it would be all over the Charmaine Usenet group! Anyways, you don't need SEO - you've got SEeOo :-)

[@AndrewBernardin]

I just want to live in that room and explore every single diskette.

[@shaunbowen]

You mentioned Psygnosis. Fun fact - my best friend bought a second hand green Subaru Impreza Turbo years back and, on looking through the paperwork, found out it was originally purchased by Psygnosis!

[@RetroRecipes]

Wow! I wonder who used it...

[@shaunbowen]

I think it was their company car. It was kept in pretty good condition. For some inexplicable reason though people kept reversing into it whilst it was parked outside my friend's house!

[@RetroRecipes]

@@shaunbowen Ahh the Psygnosis attraction effect! Cool info, thanks!

[@6LordMortus9]

I loved scorched earth!

[@Lost_n_Found_1]

"Cheeks of persuasion" is my new favorite saying.

[@gusseDSX]

Björn Lynne (Dr Awesome) did the music for Worms, right?

[@RetroRecipes]

Yup! And Witchwood and beyond...

[@simonscott1121]

I played the pants off scorched earth in about 1992, networked at a university.

[@MarcWeertsMusic]

So you have worms again? 😂 Cool update video!

[@delusionnnnn]

Sire Records bought Ministry's Al Jourgensen a Fairlight sampler, $60K at the time, and the Revolting Cocks' sound (and a lot of the Ministry side projects' sounds) came out of trying to figure out how to make something interesting out of it despite it being way over their heads at the time. An iconic machine helping a core of musicians accidentally create an iconic sound of an era.

[@RetroRecipes]

That's crazy!

[@delusionnnnn]

@@RetroRecipes It helped Ministry go from being a synth-pop band (when he was affecting a British accent) to being an industrial club superstar, eventually industrial metal. I heard of someone who went to see their live show expecting to see the "With Sympathy" era Ministry (think early Depeche Mode as far as how "hard" this fare was) and instead ending up seeing the "In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up" tour, which involved multiple guitarists, two drummers, and is documented in the album of the same name, which is probably one of the best industrial/industrial-metal live albums made. It'd be the equivalent of going to see Katy Perry and instead getting the Sex PIstols.

[@dkehrerproductions]

Fairlight CMI project is very cool .

[@CrisBlyth]

Hey ! :) I'm glad your are enjoying it ! Good stuff

[@dkehrerproductions]

@@CrisBlyth I had looked into the Fairlight stuff back awhile ago .I found some VSTs I ended up using on Reason . Its cool that you have the real thing . I love this old synth stuff . Peace .

[@antpage2]

Dying to see that mini c64 keyboard mod video

[@RetroRecipes]

Coming in 2 weeks!

[@mrt7152]

Cool that you are taking it on to build a fairlight! Best of luck with it. When it is finished will we see it here on RR?

[@RetroRecipes]

You will indeed!

[@andrevanschaijk885]

Contacting ISS from a C64? Did it with the predecessor Mir using the ham radio ax25 BBS .

[@RetroRecipes]

Nice!

[@john-tk2dn]

I really wish that RPG was completed. It looked good.

[@igormoreno3464]

When I played Worms back in the day I always thought the developers were called TEAMIS instead of TEAM17 because of the weird font! 😂

[@RetroRecipes]

Haha!

[@eggplantcasserole]

That's Martyn Brown with a "y"! Back when he was still at Team17, Martyn told me that X2 for Saturn had been completed but shelved. He looked in the archive, but the backup was missing. Did Cris pinch it?!

[@sjjjvideo1]

Why did the logo shown at the beginning of the video say "Team 7" and not "Team 17"?

[@RetroRecipes]

Good question. That was their original logo before they merged with the other company and became team 17.

[@sjjjvideo1]

@@RetroRecipes Probably "Team 10"....probably.

[@RetroRecipes]

@@sjjjvideo1 Actually it was "17-Bit Software"

[@ScottWozniak]

3:15 Looked like Erika Eleniak from Under Siege and E.T!

[@RetroRecipes]

Not to mention Baywatch!

[@rudolfsanchez9855]

hi harry i enjoy your out of world stories

[@Zadster]

I'm sure you don't need any extra help Peri, but I regularly used my Atari ST to talk to the ISS and various amateur radio satellites back in the 90s. Still have some of the data disks and telemetry files on floppy somewhere. Shout if you need a hand...

[@RetroRecipes]

All sorted for now with this mission but thank you!

[@Zadster]

@@RetroRecipes Cheers, looking forward to the video :)

[@RetroRecipes]

@@Zadster Thanks. And I'm curious, the ISS only fitted the current device in September, and the antenna. How were you communicating with it previously? Was there a predecessor to all this and the ARISS program?

[@Zadster]

@@RetroRecipes Yes, from at least 2000 onwards, various licensed radio amateurs used voice, packet radio and slow scan TV (sstv) mostly on the 2m band but occasionally on 70cm. There were several experiments on various shuttle flights too (SAREX) Amsat and Amsat-UK are good resources. amsat-uk.org/beginners/how-to-work-the-iss-on-aprs-packet-radio/

[@KabutoCoder]

There are no English subtitles for those of us who speak Spanish, any setting? 😬The other videos do have CC.

[@RetroRecipes]

Sorry, KZbin wouldn't let me for some reason. I have reported the bug. Apologies.

[@KabutoCoder]

@@RetroRecipes Thanks, I understand but it helped me a lot with the subs. I take this opportunity to tell you that your channel and content are great. A hug from Colombia

[@RetroRecipes]

Thank you for your kind words! Means a lot 👍🕹️

[@RetroRecipes]

Subtitles fixed!

[@KabutoCoder]

@@RetroRecipes Thanks!!!!

[@EsotericArctos]

I still have my PC version of Worms World Party, in it's original box. Mind you, the box is not in as good condition as it use to be now. All I have to do is build a PC with a CD ROM in it to be able to play it.

[@mdrumt]

The first Worms is my favourite. Preferred the vibe and the look of the worms themselves more.

[@scottharvey-davies1607]

Would love a stab at Witchwood.. looks brilliant !

[@Tarim06]

LOL - Project X2 on the Saturn .... I told you some months ago that was something best left well alone :) Play testing that abomination .. not quite Team 17 finest moment! The intro was OK but the game.. oh dear.. the game.. Thank goodness the PS1 version was pretty good and had a great soundtrack at the time. PCB WAY -- Perifractic's Cris Blyth Worms Animation Yarns ? :) That was tough one..

[@RetroRecipes]

Perfect!

[@dayzmelttogether]

your videos focusing on the TECH itself does well because its more captivating in general, i did like this episode though just saying I c an see why some videos people miss, if someone posted a video about a new fpga aquarius and cnc carved case id immediately click on that compared to an interview, just at a first glance.

[@RetroRecipes]

Yes that's a fair point. What if it was an interview with the person who designed the new FPGA Aquarius with some behind the scenes never before told gossip though!... ;-) I know I can't please all the people all of the time, but I will still try :-D Thanks for the feedback James.

[@metallitech]

Love the awkwardness, lol.

[@NorvanMonkeyUK]

Team 17 is that who did hell let loose

[@flogjam]

So, what spec is that black A1200 Chris took away? Did you trick it out or pimp it up in any way ? (being nosey, basically) :-)

[@numbers9to0]

Now there is a handwritten note in his notebook that says: Lady Fractic.

[@RetroRecipes]

😬

[@cappaculla]

I remember having worms when I was a teenager, none of my friends had worms, think they missed out.

[@robsku1]

You had worms!? Yuck, that's nasty, we didn't need to know :D Just kidding of course :D

[@scaleop4]

hahaa🤣

[@Z3R0FiR3]

The only worms you'd want to get LOL

[@elmariachi5133]

The thing is.. Team17 was great and for sure one of the most important contributors tot the Amiga's scene. But Worms was just an oversimplified Scorched Tanks with better graphics. Team 17's development Amigas would be so interesting.. if you could find the sources for Alien Breed (3D), Project-X, Body Blows or something like that on them!

[@RetroRecipes]

Unfortunately I can't find things that aren't there, but you're welcome to explore the machine as I uploaded everything to the internet archive. Links in description. 👍🕹️

[@elmariachi5133]

@@RetroRecipes I didn't want to say it was your fault of course :) I just wanted to give an explanation, why possibly not too many retro-nerds watched it the first time. Worms was an hit, yes, but less so for the original 80s and into 90s nerds. It was more so for a somewhat later and younger generation who started with other systems, like 16 bit consoles and PCS, and are most probably less likely to remember and dream of these games as dominant childhood fantasies, because opposed to home computers, the PCs and later consoles always where less of special 'one-time in life phenomen' but more of a generic playtoy that has been iteratively renewed and replaced up until today.

[@koztech]

Scorched Earth...I remember when it was called GORILLAS.BAS...

[@larsmuldjord9907]

Ah, yes. That was in QBasic as far as I remember. I programmed several quite sophisticated games in QBasic. I made a pacman clone called caveman where you control a caveman in a maze, being chased by a trex. I brought it to school to show my tech teacher, and he didn't believe I made it myself... I had to convince him by showing and explaining the code.

[@danielson9579]

David is nuts 😅

[@RetroRecipes]

Cris is too!

[@danielson9579]

I meant Cris lol 😅 sorry I wrote this when I was still tired 😊

[@LadyArceeprime24]

More Retro Recipes

[@RetroRecipes]

More to come!

[@SomePotato]

Ah, Worms. We got more hours out of the magazine cover demo disk than most full price games.

[@RetroRecipes]

Me too! That was the only way I played it for years.

[@rudolfsanchez9855]

fun sow best wishes

[@falksweden]

ЯREC. Brilliant. :)

[@awilliams1701]

how come the zoom on him is like 15 FPS?

[@RetroRecipes]

This was filmed with an older camera on the second Cam and it developed a lag halfway through. I tried to minimize the close-ups at that point, only using it when necessary to facilitate a more seamless cut

[@awilliams1701]

@@RetroRecipes maybe it had worms. lol

[@rdoetjes]

Uploading text to the ISS? There’s only a very small window of sight (about 10 minutes) So I assume you will use some API that NASA provides and no HAM RF transmitter? Or do you do HAM radio packets? Which would also be trivial. I wasn’t aware of being able to send data packets to ISS. I did listen on some dialogue but i never send anything.

[@RetroRecipes]

Yes they added the ability to exchange data packets in September. Hardly trivial, but more soon!

[@rdoetjes]

@@RetroRecipes Sweet! looking forward to it. Now I need to look into it too, see how it's done. Maybe I can use my BoaFeng as a transmitter or my HACKRF ;)

[@RetroRecipes]

@@rdoetjes Unfortunately they just turned the feature off but I'm sure it'll be back

[@rdoetjes]

@@RetroRecipes :( all your work for nothing :(

[@rdoetjes]

@@RetroRecipes well you can still make an overview video, not every project needs to be a success. Every job burst has boxes of unfinished or failed project. I loved the idea, very creative thinking. But that’s you, a creative KZbinr for sure. I always am befuddled how you come up with some of these episodes. Also looking forward to the “Scottish” Fairlight. I never seen one in real life, those are rarer than unicorn blood. Talking about failed projects, I once tried to make a sample player on the XT. Making a sample worked, but playing it back in higher speeds turned out to be extremely difficult (if not impossible) to do fast enough. The idea was inspired by ofcourse the EMU and Fairlight. BTW are you aware or Espen Kraft his channel? Cool retor synth stuff on there.

[@Wallygjs]

Brilliant interview, I don't know what it was, but every time the camera was the one on Chris alone the playback seemed jerky and made my eyes go weird, did anyone else notice that or is it just my PC or eyes?

[@gablex8136]

Subtitles? I can not turn it on... :( :( :(

[@RetroRecipes]

Fixed!

[@gablex8136]

@@RetroRecipesThanks, you are great. :)

[@theotherchannel2279]

I was number 777 thumbs up!!!!

[@ITGuyinaction]

👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 🍀

[@TheJamieRamone]

Hey, u guys no longer on Odysee?

[@RetroRecipes]

Sorry had to leave, their social media were pretty awful to a friend of mine, and other reasons

[@TheJamieRamone]

@@RetroRecipes Oh, so sorry2 hear that. I was trying 2 get off youtube using that. U know, ur the 2nd channel 2 just up and leave. Oh well.

[@CanuckHam]

Somebody knows a ham radio operator or is one possibly? 73 de ve7kfx

[@vauxhalldotnet]

73. Was till 2003... 2e1dll.

[@plan7a]

:D - ''Previously Cooked with Bonuses?'. Just saying!

[@deejayremix]

Make Alien breed 3d Remake!

[@arfanmedni7294]

EY ! no shaking hands please, practice social distancing thank you, lol great interview

[@RetroRecipes]

As shown on screen this was filmed before social distancing

[@arfanmedni7294]

@@RetroRecipes in that case stay awesome!

[@dudenamedclem]

Not gonna lie, I’m pretty sick of the Worms topic, but you do you.

[@RetroRecipes]

The majority of this isn't Worms. There's new Witchwood stuff that we hacked out of the code, museum updates, Fairlight synthesizer stuff, etc. Sincere question: Would you rather no video instead of that when I'm tied up with 2 week projects? #MarketResearch

[@Lost_n_Found_1]

@@RetroRecipes Research or Rhetoric? LoL

[@dudenamedclem]

@@RetroRecipes to me it’s Worms, I was a wee pup when it first came out and didn’t get into it, if you featured something else I think I would totally be on board with it. I know you have a fondness for it and I can appreciate it, that’s why I said “you do you” but I can understand I may be in the minority but like I said, just wasn’t my thing. I appreciate you!!! Thanks for asking.

[@RetroRecipes]

@@Lost_n_Found_1 Whilst I understand the theory, I don't see how that applies here? I'm asking sincerely for market research which of the 2 options a viewer would prefer. Feel free to clarify what you mean.

[@RetroRecipes]

Great feedback, thank you. Appreciated. as they say it's hard to please all of the people all of the time, but I'll keep trying LOL