A different approach to dust collection

[@JackSinger]

I love how you clean your dust collector filter with another dust collector

[@Rosa_AI]

its the big one that goes trough like a super big container remember ^^ but still funny ^^

[@danzelaznog3060]

JackHog123

[@Nardypants]

Filterception

[@Allbbrz]

I thought the same thing LOL !!!

[@henrikheikkinen]

Think that if he collected the dust from the filter with that same dust collector what he cleaned.

[@markopesevski]

I love the fact that your shop is in constant evolution. Seems like a smaller dust collector for each machine makes more sense since it takes less space and is more convenient to use. Keep up the great content!

[@MattsMotorz]

I love the editing in your videos. So fast paced! Never a dull moment.

[@lucie3d]

I like it even more when the trend on KZbin is to dilute the content to reach 10:01 ..

[@tkorkunckaya]

Just came back after I've built the same dust collector for my sanding machines with a small blower fan. It just works, quiet and efficient. I think this video and approach is just amazing. Thanks.

[@Steve.Garrison]

Thanks for promoting my filters, nothing gets past a Garrison.

[@Deenaderka99]

You saw the chance and you took it.

[@MJT360]

Lol!!

[@arthurchaves5208]

Dear Matthias Wandel, You always manage to put a smile on my face, no matter how many times I review your good works, and educating videos. THANX!

[@MrSaemichlaus]

Your dust collection videos are a great use of KZbin, sourcing your fan base for working on everybody's health. Thanks for the community effort!

[@cncwoodworxroc6881]

Simple, easy, practical with data to back the results. And as usual, cost effective. Channel should be named " Woodworking with Engineers ". Great video as always.

[@richardpatterson4312]

I've been driving myself mad with my dust problem, no collection yet, or time to woodwork but I've been thinking about it a lot. This set up(one at every tool), and then once in a while going thru all of them with a shop vac and cyclone is probably going to work out perfect for my spare time woodworking endeavours. Thank you! Now to figure out the lathe dust...

[@hypnogognosticist]

Great idea. I used to have a long 150 foot garden hose. Now I have 3 40 foot hoses. Saves so much time dragging it around.

[@ShaneMatthews27]

For some reason the fans and dust collectors you make are very satisfying to me.

[@elliottalderson9349]

I used to watch your channel and I lost my device to water damage. I stumbled onto this podcast and I’m am so glad I did. I’ll get my subscription in and never wander off again. Promise!

[@scar_robots]

You should get rid of them, they're just sitting there collecting dust...

[@patroni99]

This is one of the funnier comments ever

[@Bishka100]

Turn them into speaker enclosures

[@williampeterson6025]

lol that's actually so funny

[@huxleywolfkin1202]

Owo 😂

[@Lively_1185]

Thats the entire point!!!

[@warrensmith2902]

Great idea. I did something similar in my old shop. Table saw on one, Miter Saw on another, and everything else used a modified bucket collector. It worked really great, and I avoided having ducting everywhere with blast gates to play with.

[@TonyScandal]

Being subscribed means that you get to see the video on the same day that it was posted and by the time you watch it it has 50,000 views. Wandel.. the Coolest woodworking nerd the planet has created thus far.

[@markm8188]

I'm impressed. Folding the filter was creative. I also like the use of the particle meter to measure results. I am now subscribed!

[@MaximumJonathanosity]

I like your approach to things better than all the other wood workers I watch.

[@LedSatriani]

You've always impressed me Matthias, I don't think I've seen anyone as dedicated to good dust collection as you are. It's pretty neat!

[@JadarDev]

I'm always amazed at the little nuanced design decisions Mattias see and solves to make a really nice piece of hardware.

[@Farmall4ever]

I like that you give an update after The projects were put to use! Excellent job!

[@nachocdbz]

4:03 damn thats such a great detail, made with a perfectionist mindset. I salute you!

[@DanaOredson]

I think I saw this video years ago, but at the time, I lived in a place that had a 4-car garage. So space was less of an issue at the time. My current workshop is much smaller and it would be really nice to not have duct work all over and a dust collector as well. So I think I'll give this a go for my compound miter saw and see how it goes. Thanks Matthias!

[@czellner5894]

Interesting indeed! The concept of a dedicated dust collector at the point of generation has always intrigued me. But never thought it would work well. Yours appears to do fine. Thanks!

[@Handleyman]

I think you're right Matthias. I was going to wire up blast gates and current sensing modules all over the shop. Now I think I'll just have a separate dust collector for each machine. Cheers

[@danhishon6693]

I have made one of these dust collectors for my radial arm saw and it works awesome!

[@briantaylor9266]

I have the same planer. I just fit some 4" PVC pipe to the dust port and route it into a large garbage can. I bungee some geotextile (nonwoven filter fabric) over the top. It collects all the chips and dust no problem.

[@matthiasburger2315]

For machines like sanders, scroll saws,... this seems to be a good solution. Better and less complicated than a pipe system for all of them together.

[@compactc9]

I've always wondered about the idea of makchining my own air blowers out of metal, but I've never thought of using wood, I never would have thought of it as a good material to make one out of until seeing your videos, you've made a couple of them and they seem to really work well.

[@JeremyThompson21]

Great video! I think this especially makes sense for the tools like sanders that only create fine dust. No need for a huge dust collector when something like this will do the job just fine.

[@AndrewKleinWW]

That is a really interesting approach to dust collection.

[@bitterbotter]

Good work man! You're an inspiration for us guys who live in the city who don't have room for a workshop or a shed :)

[@OldAndGettingOlder]

I think several small collectors is a great idea. Your results validate the concept. I too dislike a larger system's infrastructure.

[@intjonmiller]

And people upgrade from little ones to big ones all the time. Just watch your local classifieds. I paid $30 for my 1HP and $50 for my 2HP, both Harbor Freight models (well regarded) in like new condition.

[@lunardust201]

I agree, I like this idea too, great work Matthias

[@seigeengine]

A disadvantage is that each collector has to be emptied individually, multiplying the work involved in an already set-up system.

[@intjonmiller]

I would much prefer to empty a small one as needed than a large one basically ever.

[@godinnlives1591]

No John. It isn't. When you factor in all the tubing that has to be cleaned in a central system you have much less work with individual boxes. Plus , every time you add a bend in the collection tube you lose efficiency and the same is true with the longer the run. So, you are wrong about everything. CONGRATULATIONS

[@AlexnSue1]

I love your videos Mattias, I wish I had half of your skill and a quarter of your tools. With these filters that you have made I don't understand why you don't have the suction at the top. Having the vanes of the filters running horizontaly or even diagonally (A frame) would leave shelves for the dust to build up on. If the filter was mounted in the ceiling of the box and suction at the top, the dust has little to settle on on the filter. Position the inlet maybe 1/3 to 1/2 way up the filter box and have a hopper below. Once a buildup of dust reaces a critical point, the weight of it would drop clumps of dust back down into your hopper. In effect this would self clean the filter to a large degree, you would only have to empty your hopper and clean off the finer particles from time to time. I look forward to more of your videos and your thoughts.

[@OverTaxed42Long]

Great idea. The hassle of a single large dust collection system has always prevented me from going that route. Putting one on each machine is great cause you can move the tool to accommodate any work without having to worry about moving the collection lines also.

[@zoltanguitar]

Excellent. I headed the same way for my new shop six months ago but totally missed the idea of folding the filters - Brilliant!!! The Inducer wheel impeller is much more efficient and meets all of my needs including a CNC router. The other great thing about your design is that the box can be sized and flipped horizontally and vertically as needed. Air molecules don't mind.

[@matthiaswandel]

Actually, folding the filters turned out to be a bad idea.

[@VroladesignIta]

I must built one of them. You always are a big source of inspiration. Thank you!

[@DavidM2002]

Get a Dust Deputy; I have one connected to my CNC router and love it. The DD bin will be full in a few weeks but the vacuum's filter and container are still clean and empty.

[@kevCarrico]

thanks for posting these "experiment" videos as opposed to a simple "how to" -- it's much greater learning why certain things are done -- very cool!!

[@Inimbrium]

And they're quieter, and more energy efficient also, I would imagine. Nice work!

[@davefink2326]

Inimbrium that was my first reaction. Quieter!

[@mikeralph]

I like it. The redundancy is nice; if one machine's collector breaks down, you can borrow from one of the others in the shop.

[@Waldopepper1962]

I have a portable dust collector on wheels that I connected to the bottom of my table saw. (built a box beneath it to contain the vacuum.) That takes care of the majority of the sawdust. But for the remaining what I do is to directly connect a small shop van and have the business end of the hose hovering just above where the blade meets the wood. I took an arm from an old arm lamp and use that as a convenient holder for the collection hose. The combination works great. And I think I save a step as any residual dust goes straight into the shop vac.

[@tomj528]

I had this same thought a few years ago and always wondered if it would work (never followed through on it though because I couldn't find a cheap enough blower). Thanks for proving that it does! I never thought to use blower motors from a water heater...brilliant!

[@lunardust201]

Really good work on that lid, I don't know why but I find that lid awesome, the way it fits perfect

[@billyjoe3309]

Love your DIY videos mate! I like to watch them while eating. It pleases me very much. Thanks!

[@chazmazzing995]

Your woodworking skills leave everybody else in the dust !

[@messygreasyhand5465]

Hi just want to say I enjoy more watching you doing wood than the tractor

[@poodlelord]

I like the idea, my only criticism is that now you have half a dozen dust collectors to empty instead of one. I think its a good system though because you do save so much money, time and effort not having to deal with the ducting.

[@GeekMustHave]

Just ran across your channel. Love the idea of decentralized dust collection. Much simpler and probably less power over time. Kepp broadcasting!!

[@JunkPileOMatic]

I like this idea and have been working on some similar ideas with all of the vacuum cleaners I find in the trash.

[@Den0Q]

Please post a video if you get it to work.

[@JunkPileOMatic]

Denny Bartley I have a video on my channel .where I started last winter but I haven't had a chance to work on it anymore. But it is something that needs to be done.

[@jacilynns6330]

actually ive been making two bucket cyclones with old vacuum cleaner motors for quite a awhile i have three of them. One hooked up to table saw, one on planer and another i use for pulling mouse nests out of cars(dont ask it really stinks up a regular shop vac) Royal/dirt devil vacuums have a flange on the motor that fits the cone shaped filter from same vacuum perfectly.

[@JunkPileOMatic]

Jacilynn S are the cyclones homemade or store bought ?

[@jacilynns6330]

Its a modified version of Mattias's own two bucket cyclone. I just mount the vacuum motor right on top with the filter sticking down in the middle.

[@rickmelto6750]

those high dollar air filters cause my A.C motor to get hot .hard to pull air thru ...man you are great at making this stuff .and i copy every thing i can from you .i have emphysema had to retire need the clean air ..keep it up please my wood shop is going to look great and clean air ..all because of you

[@mattpaff7819]

I really like watching you make these mini dust collectors!

[@Ezzell_]

you should put lexan covers on them so you can see when the filters are getting full

[@nickbailey202]

Wow, I was thinking of making one of these today then saw this comment. I have some extra lexan that's been sitting around forever. Doing this for sure now

[@corin164]

I had the same feelings re a whole shop dust collector vice individual dust collector at each power tool, particularly those which generate large volumes of dust. However my approach is to use small shop vacs connected to relay switch that has a built in time delay when stopping. It's a tad expensive but I don't have the resources to look for blowers at flea markets, garage sales and dumpsters. However Mathias' approach and design are very entertaining.

[@mikes2381]

Your two garrison filters were allergen filters while that 3m was one of the lowest quality pleated 3m filters. Still probably a better quality filter, just doesn't trap as fine of dust. For filter setups, you normally want to use a pre-filter (cheap, fairly coarse collection.) and then your fine filter (allergen or other fine/ high filtration filter) The logic is your fine filters are better quality/ more expensive and catch the small stuff the cheap/coarse filter missed. The cheap filters clog up with large stuff but keeps the large material off the fine filter. They can then be vacuumed or tossed. This is a more efficient and longer lasting design than just 2 fine filters in series or 1 coarse filter like that 3m was. (3M has a large array of different filtration qualities. But cheap filters for sawdust collection are probably best. Go with the good ones for your home and family.) Great build and I like how well those pulled in the sawdust.

[@limitlessbuilds]

I'm building something similar with my table saw/router table now. I'm going to try using a power duct fan good for 220cfm. Hopefully it does the trick! Great build again!

[@davecc0000]

Very nice work. Very professionally done. Also enjoy your FF editing when showing the labor (sawing, drilling, etc.). Makes for a very enjoyable watch. We can see how you did the work (laying out, transferring, etc.) without watching paint dry. (c;

[@jayoliver3734]

Your lunacy is so practical.

[@garoglen]

I like the way you speed up your videos , if I have to watch someone on standard time drive in all the screws, tighten all the bolts etc. , I go on to the next video .

[@TheEsseboy]

Splendid video! I really appreciate watching you build small things in a simple cost effective way! Inspires me every time to do it myself! You have a peculiar way to look at things that seems so simple yet effective! Talking of which I don't seem to have a dust collector! Gonna get right to it!

[@Peteworth]

I've been doing something similar with those cheap little shop vacs + a cyclone/thien baffle. I like your solution better; more airflow, larger capacity and much quieter too!

[@rabwoody264]

Wonderful use of shop tools as always Mathew, thanks for the inspiration ...

[@limogesfarmer6326]

I want your workshop!!! :D Really interesting that the cheap filter outperforms the Filtrete one. You can make an even better one with a dedicated metal cabinet for the filter housing with a 5" thick filter. It has better filtration performance, and a larger surface area, meaning it can perform longer without having to be cleaned. These filters are for furnaces, and they are rated at MERV11 or MERV14 - the air cleaning capabilities are far higher than a bag filter or the thin furnace filters you are using. Of course, your filters appear to work just fine for a workshop, and thus are not an issue.

[@kaden56]

I love how compact these are. Personally I think I'd like a huge dust collector with ductwork running to each machine in my shop someday, but think is certainly a good alternative.

[@MrLibertyordeath]

I like your idea and it seems to be a quieter solution as well.

[@StevenZhangMakes]

2:43 best measuring tool right there

[@remuladgryta]

I suspect you were being sarcastic, but people are actually pretty good at judging things by eye. Someone without visual impairment can reliably get lower than 0.5 mm precision. We are also pretty good at determining straightness, symmetry and the center point of an object. We are usually "good enough" at measuring a whole slew of other things by eye as well; speed and direction of a moving object, brightness of a light source, and color come to mind.

[@StevenZhangMakes]

LOL, forgot to add no sarcasm or judgement intended, but damn that is a lot of info you got there, really makes me feel a little more confident in my eyes (non sarcasm intended)

[@moalanikai]

Brilliant, Matthias. I think my big shop dust collector will soon become dedicated to just the cnc.

[@ctraugh2005]

Now you got me thinking. I may build a small one for my scroll saw. Great idea.

[@makermonkey6591]

you are awesome Mathias. I really appreciate your methods of investigating stuff.

[@SuperBardley]

Matthias, thanks for another great experiment. Check out American Filter Fabric for "shaker felt" filtration options. They have great info on using shaker felt (it gets cleaned by simply shaking it) for these kinds of applications, and the material is available by foot/yard. People need to remember that the current marketing rage for tool manufacturers is the neo-industrial DC system; there's a lot of money to be made on health fears. What you've discovered is the inherent problem of shrinking an industrial production grade solution down to a hobbyist level -- the engineering is far more subtle than just shrinking everything down, and one of engineering's key principles is efficiency, including the efficient use/value of money. The industrial systems become relatively more expensive to arrive at the acceptable level of filtration as they shrink in size. In simple terms, at a certain level, going with multiple standalone units will become a lot cheaper than one massive unified system, and then there's the added consideration of usable shop space that is in play with DC pipe systems -- lost space is = to lost opportunities/capabilities of other tools and workpiece size restrictions. The shop itself is the most expensive part of our hobby, much more so than all of the tools that fill it, so it is wise to use it as the limited resource that it is. The penalty of individual units are the obvious maintenance headaches at multiple units (there are more boxes and motors to break) and the multiple cleaning headaches. Not to be overlooked is the challenge of providing enough power outlets at the right places for those many motors. Is a spaghetti plate floor of extension cords a good or safe idea in a place with lots of flesh-eating machines?

[@AdamEarl2]

Matthias, we use the same concept in automotive cnc machines. Keeping the mist collectors small and tied to 1 or 2 machines at most.

[@xConundrumx]

Loving this idea! And with your permission going to use it in my workshop too. The only problem I have is finding a good source for all the electrical parts.

[@GreenAppelPie]

Goodwill / Salvation Army type of stores is my thought

[@matthiaswandel]

Those blowers are quite expensive new. I got mine used from a guy who installs furnaces and water heaters.

[@WsdeeBrown]

this channel is my happy place

[@jaxxbrat2634]

Matt is the guy you want when designing​ aircraft systems..he sweats the details.

[@JDFuchs]

I love it! Thanks for sharing such an in depth video. One suggestion after seeing someones build of a grinding table dust collector. Would be to have a good chunk of the cavity for large heavy particles to just settle at the bottom of an initial collection area taking a good work load off the filter, and eazer clean up. So a large box cavity, maby baffles before the filter. Or one of those vortex 5 gallon bucket tops before your existing filter box's. =)

[@huxleywolfkin1202]

I was about to say similar things but you also Added a bunch of things that I didn’t even think of nice

[@dboysix26]

The secondary filter being clean makes perfect sense because as the first filter becomes more plugged it actually filters better but with less efficiency of air flow.

[@leapy3377]

You are a legend, Thank you for providing us with all your videos on youtube people really underestimate how much goes into these videos, Thanks Matthias :)

[@EdKohlwey]

This is very cool. I would love to see some mass-based studies to determine what is actually being caught by the filter, or if the secondary filter is simply passing the finest of the fine particulate back into the air. I'm skeptical that the air based particle counter is providing much useful measurement in this evaluation.

[@ongahowatmah6196]

I started doing this a couple of years ago. no ductwork all over the place and a lot quieter. I put the little dust collectors in the cabinet under the machine.

[@richoz27]

Just discovered your channel, very cool. I especially like the fast forwardy bits.

[@zeuss194]

I like those square screw that you're using, no risk of striping

[@jbkibs]

that's really cool, thanks for the idea. it is a pain to have a bunch of duct work and blast gates, etc.. for my cheap contractors saw i built a stand with drawers. i left the top of the stand open, (the saw sits over the opening), so that the top drawer collects the sawdust; which i just dump out into a bag that i save when full. it's not as effective as a vacuum, but it does work quite nicely to catch most of it. it's also handy when i need sawdust for various reasons, spills, fills, etc...

[@Wordsnwood]

Furnace and WH blowers are a great idea!

[@colinwilson7524]

Great vid as always Matthias, seems like they are cheap and easy to build for each tool in your shop. Makes sense to do that rather than that ducting and gates all over the place. Good stuff.

[@matthiaswandel]

only if you can get the blowers cheap. If you have to buy these small blowers new, they are quite expensive!

[@carmichaelmoritz8662]

i love watching people work on projects when i am indoors relaxing

[@PhilipPetrunak]

That does make a lot of sense. A vacuum for each tool. That way if the vacuum on one tool breaks at least the others work.

[@RonAday]

Although this video is over 4 years young, I do believe this concept (each tool having it's own dc) is the future.

[@tiitsaul9036]

very cool. i am building one for my belt sander right now. thanks for inspiration

[@corncobjohnsonreal]

back on the farm my grandpa used fruit flies to collect dust. grandma and ma ran the fruit fly farm. they bred those flies for miles. the good trick to dust collecting with fruit flies is to rub raspberries on your lumber so the flies know what to grab

[@thiefrules]

how does that work?

[@corncobjohnsonreal]

it was passed down from his granddad. back then they tricked the flies to think trees are fruit

[@thiefrules]

+Corncob Johnson so the flies grab the wood, thinking it's fruit and fly away?

[@corncobjohnsonreal]

no one knows for sure but this is the general consent

[@thiefrules]

+Corncob Johnson I wanna see a video of that lol

[@user10cool]

Wow. At 3:48 I feel like a fool for not realizing the end of a caliper can be used to measure too. Thank you!

[@jeremyleemakes1272]

Jack yep works great as a depth guage for measuring mortices or bolt holes

[@ksp1278]

I actually came to the same conclusion as you Matthias. The shop that I am building is too small to have a large collector (8ftx10ft shed). So I have plans to make several small ones. I am not using ventilation blowers though. I am cutting up old Dysons that people have thrown out (Got them for free!). The air flow is rather low with these but the motors are small and I think it will be better than nothing. I plan on having 2 on the mitre saw (one attached to the built-in extraction ports, and one to the enclosure I will build around the saw. I will use, 2 on the table saw (one above the blade in the blade guard, and one below the blade). I don't have a planer or stationary sander (yet)

[@2adamast]

Just use the Dysons, they have good compact cyclones, possibly they catch more fine dust than anything you build.

[@ksp1278]

+Adamast Yes, I am using the Cyclone parts, the motors and the filters. But the cyclone canisters need modifying to increase the volume of dust they will hold. One of the Dysons is an upright model and there is a very long path between the motor and the cyclone. I will replace with my own pipes to reduce the size of it.

[@ksp1278]

+benrivenbark who said anything about buying a Dyson? The ones I have were discarded! Nobody in their right mind would pay dyson prices and then abuse it by using it to collect sawdust. The money would be better spent on a shop vac and cyclone.

[@benrivenbark]

Sorry, I was on mobile yesterday and Adamast's comment appeared as a top-level comment, so it seemed he was recommending Mattias use dysons instead. Sorry for my confusion.

[@julianc6374]

dude the stuff you make is dope asf keep it up

[@reflector9644]

Matthias I think the reason those 3M filters work less effectively is due to their filtration rating. The 3M you have is equivalent to a MERV11 filter. Not only that, it doesn't appear to visibly have significantly more filtration surface (Some of the high MERV filters I've seen have 2-3x+ the pleating to compensate for the airflow resistance of the media).

[@Beemerboy324]

Nice job. My belt sander will get a new dust collector this weekend. Thanks

[@nickjm37fordel1]

Love the plans, thanks for doing the measurements in English :-) The idea for one on each tool is really cool !!

[@tdrake59]

I like this outside the box thinking.

[@guyward5137]

Very interesting I'm in need of dust control in my shop and like the idea of individual units for each machine

[@1pcfred]

I already collect too much stuff. So I don't want to start collecting dust too. But everyone needs a hobby I suppose. So more power to ya!

[@christopheleblanc9175]

great idea ,, i have a area in my shop where running dust extraction to is not practical from the main shop area,,, due to walls and beams ,,,, been making due with shop vac, lol but is a pain in the back side ,,,, but this could be a very cheap and very quiet alternative , , tks for the RnD on things like this ,,, keep up the great work

[@jarmstrong2843]

Definitely good food for thought since I can not install PVC pipe all over the place for dust collection. Will build my own collector for my wood lathe with a larger blower that can draw larger particles from several inches away from the work piece. I have thought a blower from a gas furnace might work ok and draw in large quantities of air.

[@jonathankrimer]

He is making dust to collect dust. Love him!