A Do-It-All Thermal Optic | Is the iRay RH25 Worth It?

[@Z33Garage]

We need a PSA version of thermals cause my brothers In Christ 4k for a thermal as "affordable" is still crazy

[@Frankthetank-et7wo]

Those china made ones are still pretty cheap. 1k for the cheaper decent ones. Still though, they are made in china.

[@Z33Garage]

@@Frankthetank-et7wo I just did some quick googling and they are only coming in at 3,900 ish. Idk where you are seeing 1k for these. If that's the case that's much more attainable

[@dirty-civilian]

Well, thermal is predominantly a detection tool. So you can get away with a way, way cheaper option if you’re primarily just using it to spot.

[@Frankthetank-et7wo]

@@Z33Garage AGM has one for around 1000. In fact AGMs cheapest one is less than 1000.

[@Z33Garage]

@@Frankthetank-et7wo thanks for the info I will look into this.

[@ryanbobber4902]

Hop, Brass Facts and now Dirty Civ all releasing thermal videos.

[@dirty-civilian]

Well don’t just listen to us. Be sure to gather different opinions. Pretty cool how so many of us are getting into it and trying it out at the same time.

[@viktordamask2680]

The RH25 is on sale right now. $3600 from Sight & Fire!

[@breckfreeride]

​@@viktordamask2680crap... That's a steal!

[@mcal9320]

That revenue cash is hard to resist.

[@jacobdeem8187]

@@mcal9320 don't bre a hater

[@higgenbotham]

I've had my RH25 for just over 18mo now (Dec 2022). Mine is set in front of a NF NX8 1-8 on a Q HB SBR w/TC. I use it every evening to check on my herd. The setup is lightweight and quite. I keep my HB slung, and use the RH25 hand held. Once I spot a coyote it is fast to clip-on and engage. Several coyotes later, I can say that I couldn't imagine not having this unit. Sig just announced a competitor to this and it will be interesting to see how it compares. Guys, make sure to buy at least 640 rez like this unit has. I know it costs more, but you need it. This review is accurate, fair, and inline with my observations.

[@brianyoung8999]

$4k wow

[@dougannash6985]

I doubt anyone will read this, but just FYI--I did the same return to zero tests with the AGM Sting-IR 384 in front of a Delta Stryker-1-6 using the standard thumbscrew mount, and got outstanding results; no discernable zero shift in 4 different iterations. There's a write-up on arfcom in the NV tech section if you want to see pics/more details. One other note--people should be aware that many LAM's sit high enough on the rail to block part of the thermal sensor on these clip-ons. I had to drop another $2k on a DesignateIR-V after I found that my DBAL was blocking the bottom 1/3 of the thermal sensor on the StingIR, which was mounted using the tall factory thumbscrew weapon mount. It definitely affected usability. So if you want to run a LAM + thermal clip-on, you'll want to verify that it sits low enough on the rail to not obstruct the sensor (assuming you prefer to run the LAM on the top rail).

[@NapoleonsRevenge215]

I read it bro.

[@dougannash6985]

@@NapoleonsRevenge215 XD

[@BrassFacts]

Holy shit. Putting the DJI mic, on the headset mic is a game changer. I can't believe I never thought about that. I'm going to go down the clip on route soon, and I'm not looking forward to the 50hrs I'm going to need to spend to become fluent with the menu system

[@dirty-civilian]

Haha yeah we just came up with it last week. I guess trying to decipher the RH25 menu leveled up our INT. 😂

[@ifunnychef]

When can we get a Tennessee/Utah/Oregon crossover episode for the boys?

[@chuckles6102]

Even though its pricey you should consider the Eotech Clip on series. While more expensive they have much better image quality and really give you that tool your looking for when buying a clip on. I own the LR model and its been a good option all around. Only disadvantages I have found are that its heavy and needs atleast 3x day time magnification to work.

[@GldenRetriever]

The Eotech ClipIR (50 or 75mm version) aren't better. They are different. You can't compare a close range thermal to a long range thermal. objective size determines field of view, which usually is followed by a larger base magnification. And like you said, it's a larger, heavier, more expensive unit that isn't as versatile.

[@lovlogs5858]

I just finally got mine last week and took it out last night! I came from a dedicated thermal of AGM-384 …of course it was a HUGE upgrade! It’s not for Everyone BUT if you are wanting a thermal that is great at everything and not the absolute best at just 1 thing, then in my opinion THIS IS THE THERMAL.

[@breckfreeride]

Yep love mine. It works great and is very flexible

[@midwestbd7144]

Do you have it mounted in front of a scope? I looked at the rh25 and decided to stick with my rattler 384. I haven’t seen any videos of a clip on that makes me want to upgrade

[@breckfreeride]

@@midwestbd7144 yes, on several platforms. Works well behind lpvo

[@rodzerickabgaming]

DIRTY CIVILIAN! Can you please make a video, doesn't matter how long it is but, a video on why we don't just use hunting camo but instead Multicam and woodland? Something along that...

[@dirty-civilian]

Yes.

[@alexmaurice4274]

Good point I think hunting is better for stationary locations while like multicam etc is better for movement as well as more universal. + most hunting camp stuff doesn’t have IR camo built in from my knowledge (however tf that works)

[@John_439]

Depends the gear and how it is made and treated. NEVER use fabric softener or dryer sheets on NIR cloths and wash them the same way US issued kit says to wash to protect NIR. I hunt in multicam or others occasionally. Usually pants with a area specific top as it is what shows over the brush the most. Hunting cloths also aren't made the same and for the same mission so they don't always work. They can also be better too though. The best way to test the cloths is go wear it and if you have NVGS test it. Run it with your kit, get hot, cold, sweaty, dirty, wet, etc... see how it does in comparison.

[@GWOTalchem]

Because military camo is designed to work in a wide variety of terrain. Hunting camo is very very region specific, works great in a single specific region/terrain, but terrible everywhere else. Additionally pocket layout and other design features are not well suited for crossover use.

[@MilitaryTalks-d5c]

@@dirty-civilian and to add on, if digital is better, or the non digital camo is better.

[@mindsetperformance5509]

Honestly, this is without a doubt my favorite channel on KZbin.

[@dirty-civilian]

Thanks man!

[@MilitaryTalks-d5c]

@@dirty-civilian can you do a video on if Digital camo or OCP camo is better please?

[@benjamingibson8458]

Aluminum foil or foil duct tape is the best thing I have found for zeroing thermals. No bloom. Cut it 1” square. I have best results using black hot

[@franciscobosques2751]

Two weeks ago I was thinking about thermal optics for a rifle … Thanks for delivering …love the content look forward to it every week …

[@mikef5694]

I mentioned this on Brass Fact’s video, but I have the StingIR 640 on the flip to side mount mounted in front of my PA 1X microprism and it’s a match made in heaven. The FOV of the StingIR is almost perfectly matched with the 1x microprism. It solves the “1x doesn’t work with short range thermal clip-ons” issue, IMO.

[@Jack-fq6mq]

What flip to side mount are you using? Is it the wilcox eotech or aimpoint? And do you know what mount they used in the vid?

[@Michaeldpress14]

I’ve used dozens of thermals over the past decade and the rh25 has been my favorite

[@dwilliams3594]

Wow, the timing on this video…. I’m literally saving for one of these now! Thanks for sharing the info, my dudes!

[@pueopreparedness]

Never thought I'd hear Drew speak anime

[@handroids1981]

Yeah, it was confusing. I've seen some _weird_ anime land documentaries.

[@TheFlea1987]

Been looking at thermal for hogs for a while now and this is the unit I keep coming back to. Thanks for putting up this video!

[@sdpy15]

What an intro, yall are really stepping up production quality!

[@longrangeprecisionshooters8935]

Great review. I totally agree with your sentiment on the RH25. I love mine, but you have to use it in the appropriate capacity!

[@nektariosdroulos1852]

Bravo for both your holistic approach mentioned regularly and your sharing of your experiences from specific products, procedures, and processes.

[@bricemorales5616]

The overall quality of you channel is really impressive... Kiss from France brothers !

[@PreparedAirman]

The RH25 was a recent purchase, and I have been very impressed with such a small and capable device. I feel your pain on reading the manual lol

[@Arnothecarno]

The effects in these intros are getting out of hand! Great job fellas

[@user-zz7ic8dv4h]

You guys are really amping it up! Really spectacular editing and story telling. Entertaining as hell. Thank you for your transparent explanation of country of origin. It’s important. A lot of people don’t see how it can affect manufacturing stateside when these companies dominate a market. Keep up the truly beautiful work!

[@JB67.16]

A video on thermal clip-ons for your nods would be great! Keep up the good work

[@MrShabong]

The intro’s to these vids are fire.

[@erikjohnson5608]

I have found the best target to use for thermal (helps if it’s sunny) is metal duct tape. The stuff with a backer you have to peel off. It shows up like a light. I tape it on as an X and cut the strips about 0.5” wide.

[@jeffb5781]

Awesome content! I am glad all these great channels are reviewing thermals.

[@dylandouglas7824]

I use the IRay FH35R for scanning when coyote hunting. It’s pretty baller for $2500. It’s a 640 monocular.

[@jessel3621]

When will companies understand that an affordable clip on thermal with just an on/off switch and nothing else would sell like hotcakes?

[@jamesm1897]

I assume it would also be like $500 cheaper, I doubt the extra color pallets and other internal programing is driving the price up.

[@12389herbie]

Production quality and content keep getting better and better!!!

[@huntercoxpersonal]

“I don’t know what he said. I don’t think he knows what he said either.” Lol nice reference 😂

[@aaronmcneal1698]

That was the best breakdown and thought process of this type of fiction I've ever read or seen. Even in my pasch classes

[@gregorymarshall9503]

Thank you for constantly educating us novices who are still learning. 🙏🏽

[@destroyerofgear]

Amen. Ive done a lot of thermal testing of various COTS materials and products and it's very common to hear viewers dismiss solutions because theyre not 100% effective not realizing that in lots of contexts you dont need a lot to be effective, particularly if you know where the sensor operator is located.

[@justanotherguy312]

2:09 the rifle is so beautiful… I want to cry…. 🥺

[@shane10]

I ate rice and beans for 3 months straight to save for my RH25 and just received it last week and I havent experienced even a second of buy remorse, In fact Id pay even more for one now that ive had time to play with it, its a phenomenal piece of kit

[@handroids1981]

Oh my God... Your poor Wife, Butt, Toilet and Proctologist!

[@davidwithers7181]

$4000...........

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@davidwithers7181 the honest truth is, nobody really needs thermals in the US civilian space. It's great to exercise our freedom to have them, and obviously it's useful to have informational and training content surrounding them. But unless you've already got everything else taken care of (reliable primary weapon and sidearm, food and water preps for extended survival, medical and tactical training, high levels of personal health and fitness, a stable family unit, and a supportive community of like-minded people), I'd argue that your $4000 is better spent elsewhere.

[@joffeloff]

@@theKashConnoisseur can't buy a family with 4000 dollars, i'll take the thermal

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@joffeloff $4000 worth of dates will get you a lot closer to a wife than buying a Chinese thermal solution. And while the thermal might show you heat signatures, it can't have your back. Going it alone, even with the best possible gear, is a fool's errand.

[@MrWoodnnails]

I’ve used this thermal almost daily for the better part of a year now. I started out running it bridged with a 14, still use it that way sometimes but it is a pain in the ass. My preferred method is using dual nods for moving with the thermal in a pocket turned on for scanning. Occasionally use it as a clip on. Awesome unit tho, and I highly recommend.

[@LostNavigator]

An awesome review, guys.

[@user-ef7zb8zf4r]

what you said at approx the19 min mark was the best part of the video. It's easy to get wrapped up in gear but water, food and GOD are way more important.

[@michaelrose4683]

Look at you boom stick nerds answering the hard questions well done again guys. Also be aware I’ve had to re subscribe to you guys three times now. I am not unsubscribing myself. Please look into this your intros are too good to miss.

[@ethanhall3294]

Intros are goated haha thanks fellas

[@eagleclaw6]

I bought a Burris BTS35 thermal scope a year ago. It has been a Great thermal optic! Wasn't cheap though I think it was @2k

[@TheJustinPham]

Easily one of the best Guntubers around. Don’t change up the videos please

[@ryanmcdowell9027]

Great video guys! Love the content! Keep it coming!

[@kevinyoung9557]

Jeremiah Johnson.Now that is a classic.

[@dirty-civilian]

One of the best!

[@qrash8547]

“Reading the Bible”, that was good glad you put that in there

[@DaveWomach]

Love the video. I have a flir breach on a helmet, as well as a Trijocon Hunt-IR for hog hunting. Crazy tech. Well worth it.

[@ReubenOaks84]

I just picked up my first thermal at Arms Unlimited, an Infiray GL35 w/qd mount for $1800, really enjoy it so far. They have the RH25 384 on sale for $2k and the RH25 640 (like the one in this video) for $3.5k.

[@hawaiiangunner]

For me this is not a hunting item but a shtf item. I already have a thermal monocular. I would be better served with a thermal that has farther range and more magnification. For me personally it's much more important to be able to see heat signatures at a further distance than the IR 25 can. I like the 3x base mag adder.

[@GalloPazzesco]

This is one helluvan outstanding video! Excellent channel! Subscribed, bell rung, commented, upvoted, liked, shared .... may the algorithm gods continue-to smile favorably upon your channel, Brothers.

[@user-gt1cz9sw9c]

In my opinion, the best combination is night vision goggles and a dedicated high resolution thermal imaging sight with a piggyback red dot. Of course, only in theory because I have no experience with any of these devices, but it just seems that way to me.

[@AndrewKuhnash]

just picked mine up love it. so simple and can take it with me on patrol as a hand held which is great too

[@RP-ks6ly]

Awesome intro and great coverage of the products.

[@user-cj6xd7fs5q]

Reason for USA made units are so expensive is because they’re probably vendors to US military and can’t sell to civilian market cheaper than they sell to gov’t. Great video and appreciate the content. Earlier videos either do hunting, which is great, but I’m interested in the perspective you’re introducing. Thanks

[@Burton3375]

Best video I have seen yet on the RH25! Please do one how to zero set by step please!!!

[@Ralffart]

Great Video Guys. I bought the Iray RH25. Now on collimating. I would think if you had a Hot Hands to aim at, Took the Shot, Then placed another Hot Hand on where your shot hit, The Shooter Holding the Rifle In the same Position never moving it while the 2nd Hot Hand was Placed where the round impacted, Then adjusting the Screen on the RH25 so your Crosshairs line up with where the round hit. You should be on. Please correct me if I am wrong. You guys do great Videos, please keep going.

[@mikef5694]

At the 4:10 mark you’re adjusting the battery cap instead of the objective 😂

[@robertpyssa3333]

Also. Keep on mind that if specs says "human detection range 1375 yds" it means its suited for more like 800 yds. Of course you'll detect stationary standingu human from this 1375yds but its will be several pixels like the first game of lemmings. When you scan you want to be able to see and recognize this is a person without staring at it for 15s

[@dmaraschky1]

Don't know about the RH25, but the StingIR in clip on mode does not need to be zeroed at all, just collimated while mounted infront of the optic and it retains memory of where you moved the picture

[@GldenRetriever]

From mine and others experience, the Wilcox SkeetIR flip to side mount holds zero between folding and removing the thermal from the mount. It is expensive, heavier, and adds height tho. You also can't use an unmodified ADM pictail mount with it.

[@pulido6974]

1st time watching 1 of your videos. I really enjoyed it, bro. Good video. Keep them coming.

[@raphrobm88]

It's crazy yesterday I was thinking before sleeping « If I had to buy a thermal clip on sight, which one should i take » you guys just answered my question thx

[@deveregrant]

Bro you slapped the heck out of that trigger in the intro

[@eliaspergande2663]

I’m sure you guys are familiar with Orion training group. The have a good video on rifle setup where they use a modified dovetail mount with the rh25 for a nice flip to side with the eotech magnifier combo

[@dirty-civilian]

Yeah that’s a great option. We did it with a Wilcox mount but it didn’t hold zero well enough for us to recommend it. BUT, I think we found a solution for that.

[@eliaspergande2663]

We appreciate all the work you guys put in for real. Both in front of and behind the camera

[@michihetmann7984]

Nice review - I wonder if a combination of this thermal device and a Primary Arms 3x would be practical solution.

[@danielgrubb9668]

I love my RH25 but it has one major flaw: it is really designed to be a clip on to an LPVO. This makes for a heavy system. You might as well buy a high end thermal scope.

[@washingtoncommandcenter5541]

I love the RH25, I have 1 for my bridge and 1 on my Gucci 6ARC take on Mack's "Future Warfare rifle" You guys really need to check out the Infiray FAST FAH25 Thermal Red dot(only 1 video of the thing on KZbin) I've had it like 3 months and It's got a permanent spot on my HD rifle (9in 300blk Virtus/Radian ADAC/Hyperion/16in Sig SD Handguard/Viridian 4Lux) And the Infiray Bolt TX60c. I've only had it a week or so and been able to get out to shoot it once, but there's nothing else like it. Complete game-changer. You can count Opossum whiskers at 100 yards through this thermal, it's badass. I gotta re-zero it again(which sucks because I got it on my 8.6BLK) because I couldn't resist taking it off so I could play with it without waving a rifle around. When they figure out how to shrink this into a monocle we will really be talking super power level stuff.

[@PunaJussi]

1x prism sights work wonderfully. I have cml25 and vector 1x prism and the setup is quite small and light. That model does not have a collimation feature so it's more limited. And yeah, airsoft, not actual weapons :D

[@davidsirmons]

Thank goodness I got a thermal solution a few years ago.

[@walkerwhite1798]

Been using the agm tc35-640. I love it

[@kevinroberts5140]

You guys need to start linking products in the description. I've tried to look for your aiwb holster brand that you both have and still haven't found them. I love the videos by the way.

[@romoboy64]

Dude.. so based. This is at the heart my issue as well. "Buy american, support your nation". Right, you mean the guys who dont care about me, but only their fed contracts? Right.. how about I put my money where it goes furthest. That is not buying "american". Unless we're talking PSA. THAT is american.

[@TheNorseAmerican]

The biggest problem with American thermal, and other products, is that it is illegal for them to sell to civilian consumers for less than they sell to DOD contracts. So we have to pay the bloated gov contract price.

[@medic58]

You guys really have one of the best channels I really enjoy the information and the reality you guys put in. Thermals are above my pay grade but good info. God bless and read your bible!

[@Unknown-cq1km]

3:56 to skip the intro and ad fluff

[@jw5297]

Great content guys.

[@travisjacobson7126]

13:53 SAVAGE 😅

[@bravotwozero535]

This is a good point for using a dedicated weapon sight with collimating capabilities. I’m trying to get a camera lined up with with a red dot and it is a nightmare even though the red dot is pretty forgiving. I wish someone made a collimating mount.

[@Burton3375]

Can’t wait to watch almost dropped the coin yesterday for one? Just trying to figure out why they dropped the price so much!!!

[@xbadaimx6792]

Doc is out here catching strays.

[@Kalbee]

“Wake up early and read your Bible.” Best advice in this video.

[@nicholaspushic4191]

The dr disrespect predator plug made me spit out my drink 😂

[@midwestbd7144]

Never go cheap when it comes to thermal unless you just want to see glowing potato figures. I have an AGM rattler 384 which is the cheapest I’d every buy. It’s not a 640 but I think it has a better long range image vs the rh25 since it’s a 2x vs 1x. Base magnification is important when it comes to image quality

[@kennethcourtois3037]

These intros are getting out of hand. I'm here for it.

[@BressBoy]

"I don't know what he just said...I don't think he knows what he said either" I see you 😏 😂

[@SickBoogie]

The Dr. Disrespect cameo made me chortle.

[@vonleiningen]

"The future is now, old man." -Dewey

[@shaneciccarelli-palmer2962]

Don’t buy the over priced RH25, but the exact same in specs international model PFN640 and save 1-2k dollars. Your welcome

[@GldenRetriever]

You can find the RH25 for 3-3.5k all day. where are you finding a PFN640 for 1.5-2.5k? And good luck with any warranty work.

[@gtlover2011]

Yeah but where?

[@GldenRetriever]

@@gtlover2011 You haven't looked?

[@junomarebdane6408]

Thank you

[@lonniemathias186]

While I was in the reserves, I invented the flare system the late '80s. Later on I invented the drone

[@mauganra2589]

I decided on getting one of these awhile back, but it’s still gonna be some time before I get the money for one. Until that day.

[@thastinger345]

This is crazy, the Pulsar will unclip from the rail and is half as much with a better picture.

[@daxkent5054]

The RH25 manual is very poorly written. I'd love to find some details on the collimation process. Do you ensure your rifle is zeroed using just the LPVO and then mount your RH25 and adjust the screen to zero again?

[@dirty-civilian]

Yep. That’s exactly what we did. Took a lot of time. But, some people have said it clipped on and was already collimated.

[@breckfreeride]

Isn't is just adjusting the margins to match reticle?

[@aaron4820]

"Should never come at the expense of not also having plenty of food, water, comms, ammo" Landlord: so... about that rent

[@brandondaugherty7119]

Great video. Thanks

[@64ig6kg0]

Love the intro.

[@WREKLOC]

4k? Im waiting for daytime 😂

[@REMYSCH]

Thank you

[@anotherguy7021]

Three Drews!?

[@johnosborne2574]

Damn guys… That rifle was loaded with equipment. I think I could just go buy a High end thermal for everything you had on that weapon. That’s just my opinion, you guys are the experts. With all that said. What would you recommend the most affordable and the best bang for the buck in thermal scopes is??? there’s just so much out there. I’d rather rely on somebody who’s actually test driven it rather than a retailer!!!

[@josephg.3370]

Great info

[@jsprague1988]

God damn your into's are the best fucking things ever.