A Fast Run-Up is Killing Your Distance?! | Disc Golf Mythbusters

[@RebWillieD]

Distance Challenge: Hyzer Flip with an understable disc vs Flex Shot with an overstable disc

[@rwsqb11]

W idea

[@jonahtrank2431]

this one

[@jgree21]

THIS

[@MaximilianBerkmann]

Great idea.

[@tylerbell6796]

Difference between a hyzer flip and a flex shot?

[@douglasallen3]

We need Mark Rober to create a machine to assist in busting/validating this myth. This is the way.

[@vandwellerfeller]

He made a full size disc launcher on crunch labs.

[@Kama-kw3pp]

This sounds like a really good series starting. Cant wait

[@bryansandstrom3077]

They kinda should have broken the 4 myths they got into a series.. felt a little rushed.. also a run up on a pad is different than a run up on grass

[@dankauffman3456]

What Trevor should have said: "I'm just giving you the information and letting you decide what MVP discs to buy."

[@joshwilson2908]

Basically

[@joakimbackryd7752]

yeah :) my goto midrange right now is a Discmania Origin... after seeing this video i really feel the need to buy a Hex

[@Steventhrowsbirds]

No insanity or dimension..

[@rinsancrindle7715]

@@joakimbackryd7752 Just started playing with Hex mids...oh man. dead strait, 240' uphill, under the pin. never got 7 feet off the ground.

[@lucassouthard5577]

@@rinsancrindle7715 my brother got me a hex last year and it quickly became my most thrown disc. Also got my first ace last week with it sooo...just sayin

[@sethheasley9538]

Really we need a machine to throw the discs on the same angle with the same power, and then do a stack of 1000 of them. :)

[@jwbeyersdoerfer]

Need to get a conversation going between Foundation and Mark Rober to build something.

[@joakimbackryd7752]

@@jwbeyersdoerfer i'm pretty sure Jesse from Trash Panda was talking about his dream of building a disc throwing robot in his last video

[@snikwahjets]

​@@jwbeyersdoerfer nah he said a stack of 1000. Mark Rober would only get a couple of discs past 1200ft before the arm would rip its self off the machine lol. On a serious note. I have thought about designing a machine to do this. The tricky part would be to control the spin rate independent of release speed.

[@janseendiguiseppiThomasMC]

I was thinking the same thing. You could probably modify a tennis or baseball machine for discs by spreading out the rollers controlled by the motor

[@MrBlah674]

The “nice shot” segment had me dying!!! 😂😂

[@dannym1642]

Sh!t now I'm going to have to go get mvp discs. Thanks.

[@TheNitrohurrikane4]

"this is of course bogus because that's witchcraft" is the best line of the video.

[@mierendinger]

This is literally just a James Conrad edition of Mythbusters. And I love it

[@bhamm80]

@17:00 totally agree with this statement. I tweaked my knee and decided to slow my runup down. More of a walk up now. I just had my farthest throw ever at 440 ft when i was consistently throwing 330-370. Could randomly hit 400 here and there but the slower approach has me feeling more loaded with the shot.

[@jamesc5729]

Axiom insanity is my furthest throwing disc, I agree with the gyro tech

[@jeremywalker6920]

Myth: putters are the straightest flying discs

[@mattdahl5677]

Myth: talking in someone backswing is actually helpful

[@thejustingaw]

I’m an all mvp/axiom thrower and I can say that it has completely changed my game! I’m a believer

[@jasonvandeventer2214]

Atom is def farther than my non MVP putters. No question.

[@michaelhill668]

Envy gang!! Insanity gang!!

[@Glutenslayer]

Would love to see a stack of 10 of the same discs compared to another stack of 10 discs and get some averages. Love the content guys!

[@derekholsinger1528]

Love how hunter gets more violent with the intro punch every video

[@xCJx555]

Not sure if this was said, but to scientifically remove the variability of how hard you throw each disc, angle, height, etc., you just need more replicates. Do it over and over and average the results. Science!

[@J_Cav84]

Glad someone said it, I was going to and found your comment. AT THE LEAST, throwing each pairing 10-15 times, and honestly if you were REALLY invested, having multiple more people at different skills levels all doing that, that would be a better rep for starters. Then add more manufacturers per the comparison.

[@drizzt94]

I've been throwing some MVP since their first disc, the Ion came out. Loved it and have been putting with it since, but it was the only MVP in my bag. The Wave changed that. Guaranteed to add distance for noodle armed throwers like me. I was throwing a Surge SS as my main driver before I picked up a few Waves to try out. Instant noticeable added distance. My bag slowly changed to all MVP as I tried different molds. The Volt is another VERY good disc, that replaced my Stalkers. The Theory is a super straight flying mid, although it's unfortunately OOP.

[@JakeSmith-lz5mc]

I’ve always heard that your max distance divided by 30 is a rough ballpark for the highest speed disc you can throw, and throwing faster discs won’t increase your distance. For example, someone throwing 300’ should cap their speed at 10. Definitely relates to what you were saying about faster discs going further as long as you have the arm speed to throw them, I’m just wondering how accurate the max/30 rule of thumb is

[@springysloth1186]

I’ve never heard this before, but it applies to my game very well. I think it is a good rule for mediocre to advanced players, but with pros throwing 600+ feet it doesn’t apply as much. That would call for a 20+ speed disc. Thanks for the information though, I’ll definitely use this rule!

[@benschikker833]

Max distance or average distance? I feel like average would be more accurate

[@springysloth1186]

@@benschikker833 I used my max distance, but my average distance isn’t far from it 😬

[@benschikker833]

If I went by my average I should throw 13 speed. which would be good because I throw a nuke. But if I went by max distance I should throw 15 speed and that doesn't seem right. Not hating just asking. :)

[@TheGullibleSkeptic]

@@benschikker833 I hadn't heard of this rule before. But the assumption would be to use it until you reach 12 or 13. Then you're already at a distance driver speed, so there's no need for the rule at that point. You're already there.

[@ryanburdo940]

That Nice shot myth is 100% true

[@warriorkidd5]

For the distance ones use the radar gun to find two throws with same speed so then you know if the release angles are similar it's a really good comparison

[@bosta84]

^^^ THIS!!

[@1isone]

This is crazy because i just came home from a round where i started to taking it slower and learned that i throw much more accurate and further and managed to hit the lines perfectly. Before this i’ve always had a fast run up which have been working out alright. But it was raining today so it was hard to do it, slowed down and everything went better than ever!

[@kyle-540]

This is one of the best videos you guys have posted that is a little more silly. Great job

[@EugeeFGII]

I loved the Nice! confirmation. Bravo!

[@Joseph-mx5co]

PLEASE RESTOCK THE ‘Birdie Vibes Only’ SHIRTS IN LARGE!!!!

[@xdwept7351]

myth: Do pink discs throw better than other colored discs

[@Jason-Moon]

Only when you throw them with security in your masculinity.

[@eatcookiesforfun]

Only if it's in the snow, as they are the only ones you find.

[@andrewkravcik]

Drew Gibson is a great example of a slow run up with just as much power. He never runs up fast and still absolutely bombs.

[@kenandean6441]

Simon too

[@Kama-kw3pp]

You guys should have had Sasquatch run out of the woods for the nice myth. Also, if Trevor doesn’t believe in witchcraft. How does he explain the dark horse picks?

[@GnarParDiscGolf]

Faster run ups (than you're used to) throws off your timing and mechanics resulting in a slower throw. The faster the run up the more precise your timing needs to be.

[@snikwahjets]

probably not used to running on grass either

[@markstanbrook5578]

In order for there to be any momentum transferred to the disc you have to still be moving at your run speed as you release the disc. Since you plant your lead foot this becomes you overbalancing. The only pro who really does this is James Conran, maybe Kevin Jones.

[@emilkihlberg4236]

Well james conrad form is good and eagle mcmahon form is good, yet james runs for 30 feet and eagle takes 3-4 steps and eagle launches the disc at 80mph, james conrad at 60-65mph, slower run up makes your timing ten time better, which is why it is better even for pros

[@wakimura303]

Eagle is also a one of a kind player

[@justwondering1926]

James claims to have poor distance from a standstill compared to other players so I do think the run up helps him but eagle has better form They just learned differently

[@connorsmith-mccrum2237]

Orange is the flippiest plastic color

[@milespaints]

How about testing whether a putter actually putts better than another type of disc, like a mid or fairway driver or driver? Or if playing a round where one can only carry one disc, what would you carry: putter, mid, fairway, or driver?

[@Steve-hv1bg]

One of the OG disc golf myths. The color of the disc affects the flight.

[@majoracedg1232]

Yes I really wanna see this

[@Discusdm]

I really want to know if this is true or not. Myth: Heavier discs go further

[@ivaruutar]

heavier discs are more predictable in the wind, therefore they are better controlled. If you can get 100% same throw with a disc that is lighter, the light one will go further, because it can float longer in air due to its reduced bodyweight.

[@ironsebbs9848]

Ezra has done a heavier to lighter test, go check that out

[@nikogarcia3249]

@@ironsebbs9848 he didn't measure distance though. He measured arm speed. I guess you could say faster arm speed would mean a further throw, only if there is no wind, though.

[@r4ngutang]

It is already known that lighter discs go further but heavy discs are more reliable

[@kimmomatikainen1843]

Dynamic Disc guys tested this maybe 2 years ago. Light disc flies farther with low arm speed and max weight flies farther with fast arm speed. Makes sense as well.

[@traviswestcott8870]

i would say if you can keep technique and run up faster than yes you can throw farther. You need to add plausible into the list like myth busters

[@noahstevenmeyer]

The speed might be getting messed up due to how closely you throw the disc to the radar gun

[@justinreiss8546]

The “nice” myth got me dying at the end there. But for real that myth is definitely true

[@mehameha4453]

I one step every throw and have improved my form tremendously. Now I have a truer understanding of how each disc will preform at each distance as my form is consistent. 51 years of disc golf!

[@DavyMcFlurray]

Does the color of the disc, affect the flight of the disc?

[@SparJar]

Mechanics mean more than the speed of your run up.

[@dougdruziak8795]

Will a heavier disc roll further than a light one

[@mrclifton32]

I have a few mvps and I swear I thought they went further but I didn’t want to say anything lol. I’m surprised by this.

[@MisterTeeLow]

Best intro so far. Quick and to the point.

[@mitchellbenedict4153]

That ending thou😂

[@tylerbell6796]

Do running up speed myth with some pros. Would be really interesting.

[@georgechaplin2925]

Can I please buy that wave? Can’t get one anywhere

[@judasblewit]

Have you checked facebook? There will be waves here and there. You just have to check everyday lol.

[@muckertheblimp1874]

We need more of these

[@natecanskate94]

“Never claimed to be a fighter” 😂😂

[@benpropes]

I loved that lol

[@andyendicott3870]

There can't be a good comparison honestly. You have to throw same angle, same direction, same height. You guys certainly gave it a good attempt but there are just no perfect apples to apples comparisons without tons and tons of throws. Just as hunter said. Cool idea just really hard to get perfect.

[@brandonmccann8893]

this is why I love Ezra's disc comparisons. same camera angle, same form, and flight lines + distance overlay for every throw. its honestly like watching a robot test discs.

[@nick1384]

@@brandonmccann8893 Need to get heimborg to test some discs for some more accurate science

[@jacoboverton5500]

Props to Konnor for that cut at the end 👏🏼👏🏼 well done sir

[@konnerkennedy1869]

🙏🏼

[@justwondering1926]

Potential myths: Overmold discs skip less Leaning your body controls disc flight Lighter discs (does higher speed release = further flight with a lighter disc) And please do a domey discs fly further test

[@jonasnielsen8665]

YES!

[@Sharp_3yE]

Leaning your body controls angles. As in more hyzer or anhyzer. That's not some kind of myth. That's technique actually used.

[@kimmomatikainen1843]

Sharp already aswers leaning your body. Guys at DD tested light disc vs max weight disc. With low arm speed light goes farther, but with fast arm speed max weight goes farther.

[@Sharp_3yE]

@@kimmomatikainen1843 might at well do more tests for science and see if it's repeatable.

[@justwondering1926]

I meant leaning body mid flight and yelling at the disc to sit, go, turn etc…

[@joshfowler4563]

test if a reach back actually adds speed and distance to your disc.

[@jimmyblundell7600]

Underrated comment. I don’t believe a “reach back” is necessary. Look at seppo or Emerson

[@Motorboatasaurus]

Man that "nice shot" myth being true is just crazy

[@dankauffman3456]

As far as speed of throws go, technique and proper mechanics are what matters. It's far easier to get that right with a slower, controlled run-up than it is with a fast run-up. Every time I get too fast in my footwork, my upper body and arm mechanics go to crap.

[@lobsterknight4165]

It makes sense, when you run-up faster your muscles are tense and that makes them slow. When your run-up is slow and relaxed, your arm and whole body are much faster.

[@Carguments]

What are the weights of the discs? I am starting to wonder if I should be buying lighter discs..My thought was heavier should go farther.. but if my are speed sucks it might be hurting my distance..

[@badgerspvcoach]

If you wanted to be scientific, you’d have to have a machine that could throw a disc the same angle and speed. Then you’d have to throw it several times and hope the wind conditions are similar. For the second myth, you should compare a 14 speed, to a 13, 12, and 11. I don’t think anyone is saying you can throw a putter as far as a driver. Of course a 13 speed goes further than a 9 speed fairway. For the Speed myth, you guys were throwing off grass and looked like you could have been slipping at the end. Should of done it off concrete.

[@duckhunter4031]

I’ve tried similar discs across many brands and I personally like the MVP gyro bc it seems to feel like you don’t need to put as much into the disc to get a similar flight to other brands. They also seem to want to glide further or stay in the air longer. Maybe the gyro puts more weight at the rim for the balance of the disc therefore making it naturally have more rotations making it stay up in the air longer.

[@DrewFerrigno]

lol.. i started like 4 years ago, and went from Mako to Hex as a complete newbie. Mako was my first love and then the Hex design and name shouted out to me. So then I loved one for a long time. Lost it and got it replaced with a much beefier Hex. So i'm kind of at a loss with mids now. Roc3 and Halo Roc3 is my new jam and I can get more use out of those nowadays than a hex for me. Distance isn't everything especially with touchy mid range shots.

[@PWheat23]

Timing is everything in a disc golf throw. If you practice getting timing right on a faster runup, it would probably be faster.

[@augustprice7550]

What I find from mvp and axiom discs is that they tend to get longer forward skips, I think its because the disc holds rotation longer even though the rotations are slower so the disc hold forward momentum longer.

[@RecRob]

100% spot on

[@willsoffera7584]

yeah I think the easy way to do the MVP vs others for distance is to just up the sample size on each of those shots, maybe 5 or 10 throws in each comparison

[@4dwyn]

I just did a field test and I can say, at least with putters and fairways, MVP goes further. I threw my Proxy 324 Flat. I threw my Luna 286 flat. I threw my Instinct 324. I threw my Resistor 397!

[@SliceyAethstetic]

I play with mostly discraft, throw a buzzz regularly. First throw with a Hex it held the straightest line I'd ever seen, also went about 20ft further than my buzzz. Still prefer to throw my discraft discs though.

[@Arrica101]

Seeing them use their phone for these distance measurements is just painful. Your phone GPS at absolute best will get you +-1-2m or roughly +-3-7ft of accuracy. And that doesn't even begin on how inaccurate there throw is. The whole distance section is a waste of time and could not be any less scientifically accurate

[@MrFozzDawg]

Lightweight Vs Max Weight - Should Ams be even throwing Max Weight Discs ?

[@MountaindewM]

Good video BUT it would be nice to have a "PRO" throw them but not show what "PRO" throws them. You could even have a few pros throw to get a bigger sample size. Be nice to have pros from multiple different brands. Also would need brand new discs from any brand they throw and not allow them to use any discs in their bag currently to give any sort of advantage.

[@dustinroberson1865]

Running up fast, you are shortening your pull back to keep up with your body. Your power comes mostly from the snap when pulling the disc forward. When you run up fast, you also aren't utilizing the power in your legs and in turn actually need to slow down when releasing the disc. It's all about finding the happy medium.

[@SWBStX]

My Hex goes inexplicably farther than my like mids. Probably not the gyro, but something else about it. Either way, I love that disc so much already and have only been throwing it a few weeks.

[@DaddyRatchet23]

Delete this. Sincerely, somebody who's had trouble getting backups of my favorite MVP molds since last March :(

[@crusher26638]

I had to watch because you ripped off my favorite show ever. A better way to test MVP might be to throw 10 shots with just one mold each. Throw out the anomalies like the best and worst throw. Take a average. Cool interesting results from the other tests. Also super glad you made a joke of “nice”! Rather than actually testing it.

[@DJJimboSlice]

You need more data points bro. It's impossible to account for your variations for each throw, so you do enough trials to where it doesn't matter. It'll come out in the wash. Also, why compare one disk against any other discs? Just do 50 throws with each disk, and log their distances. That data makes way more sense.

[@drkevns]

You cannot bring momentum into the throw if you're not in balance the entire run-up. If you're tipping backwards during your backswing, you have to pause everything and wait for your upper body to catch up, ruining any momentum you bring into the swing. Most ams do this.

[@Nolast12503]

In future range comparisons... throwing 5-10 shots with each disc and taking the average would potentially be better science. Adds to production time but... just an idea without trying to get into mechanical solutions that could standardize the throw.

[@dineshanblazahan9843]

I like ur videos and ur intention … but I can’t understand a fact how a simple plastic disc has gyro technology… it’s a marketing term used by the company… the only thing that influences the flight of the disc is it’s aerodynamics … correct me if am wrong 😑… this disc golf sport always amazes me whenever I see the disc path .. especially I love the hyzer flips and flex shorts … that’s pure physics and how did they manage to pull that into disc is amazing .. and again it’s all to do with aerodynamics of the disc .. and the one mould the Buzz which can handle low and high torque and still fly the same it’s something mind blowing to think off and u can correlate that to gyro technology but achieved only by its aero dynamics

[@LumenPsycho]

Okay.. If you pull your disc, it means your technique is not fully developed. It is possible to make it fly out of your hand always the same. I recommend you to put in the work & figure it out. Until then I can't take you seriously.

[@ojaimark]

For scientific purposes (if you want to be more/actually scientific about it), the best way to account for variances from throw to throw or thrower to thrower is to simply increase the number of throws. Throw and measure 10, 20, or 50 throws with each disc and average them. The bigger the sample size the more options you have for working with the numbers too. For example you can choose to eliminate a certain number of the farthest and shortest throws for each disc to account for anomalies and get a more representative average.

[@kenanellks2356]

I don't know what it is about MVP discs. I've loved the flight of every mold I've tried, but they never stay in the bag. They just don't feel right to me.

[@hanukebaba1]

Sounded like that squeaky boots episode of spongebob SquarePants. Excellent video fellas.

[@kweirmeir]

Perfect example of a slow run up who absolutely crushes is Tristan Tanner. I'd agree run up speed is irrelevant and just throws off timing.

[@HotDogRacing]

This is the weakest scientific argument of all time and I can't wait to prove you wrong. As soon as all my new MVP discs come in, you'll see...

[@bryansandstrom3077]

Great Video, Basketball analogy was terrible because you do move faster on a jumper than a free throw.. Baseball players don't take a run up and neither do golfers

[@joshuawaddell6640]

Have you and Trevor played a bag swap round yet? If not.... please do!

[@jjw6961]

Fun video, but even including the variable of human error each throw, you'd have to throw each disc against each other at least 10 times to derive some semblance of useful data. Might be able to get away with calling it scientific, but it's bad science.

[@fullyawakened]

fun video! would like more mythbusters. imo an understanding of physics precludes the possibility of a disc without some sort of gyro ever beating one that does. same with higher speeds discs. a higher speed disc essentially IS gyro technology, they add more material to the outside rim of the disc.

[@flamminbags1]

You're doing this manually, not mechanically, thus never having similar controllable factors to compare the scientific results. Destined to fail from the start.

[@Locusss]

Maybe the slower run up gives you more time to focus on what actually matters in generating power, which is when the plant foot goes down up until you release the disc. This abt 0.2 seconds long period is the most important in the whole throw for generating power.

[@SaltedSlug85]

Paused at 14:15. On the 2nd throw that went 52. Faster than the previous 47..... you were closer to the radar gun. On the shot that went 47 you had a disc down to throw at. One the 2nd throw that disc disappeared. Edit: Nevermind watched further into the vid.

[@rileywalker8252]

Guys... Can I please get that Crave and that Hex from you guys. Those things are dadgum good looking!!

[@tylerking7890]

I was not expecting that ending, that stuff was gold. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣

[@jjr007]

How about Streamline discs aren't they mvp or axiom molds without the over mold gyro tech? If so a comparison might be in order.

[@degeneratediscs4009]

Chalk bags/Grip bags vs nothing. Test is all conditions....might have to be shot in multi parts but you can edit ;)

[@omgleatherworks3253]

Please clean the camera lens. The last couple months of videos have a black smudge near the center and its very distracting.

[@chrishockman5188]

The hex is MVP’s version of the Buzzz, same numbers so y’all used the wrong disc to compare it to

[@mikestu7]

As an MA40 player that doesn't have a monster arm, I have yet to find a disc I can consistently throw farther than a Wave. I highly recommend the disc.

[@stevencombescure6928]

I agree with the timing being the key point of force transferred in a disc. Thats why when you do a 360 you can add up to 20 mph to your throw but nobody does that because it is inconsistent and the pros play well because they are soooo consistent.

[@muckertheblimp1874]

You should have done a leopard and a relay instead cuz they have the exact same flight numbers

[@brettmchan2855]

Left me preface this by saying I am a noob with a noodle arm! But I picked up a servo about a month ago and it was easy distance. It holds its own with any disc in my bag. Just sayin

[@robertmunger1594]

So where the most notable difference with gyro technology is in putters. That is where they really just keep going compared to non gyro discs.

[@benistoneman9737]

My mvp drivers are consistently my farthest drivers. The halo plastic from Innova is an attempt to emulate the gyro with more plastic on the rim.edge f the disc. So there may be something to it