My Disc Golf Journey from 250ft to 400ft (75 - 120m)

My journey of improvement in disc golf backhand distance! Let's hope this is a part 1 :)
In the video I'll be going over my backhand form improvements in chronological order. We'll talk about footwork, finding the snap, making space for the disc, consistent throwing plane etc. I hope you find it interesting!
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[@EzraAderholdDG]

This was interesting! I had to do a similar thing when I was building my technique as well. I'm really curious about that simulator you used to see what angles are ideal. Have you tried increasing the angle at the shoulder past 90°? It'd be really interesting to see what exact angles produce the highest speed

[@SketchesForHumanity]

Thanks! I still have a lot of things to test with the simulations. Haven't tested putting the angle past 90d yet, I'll have to give it a try!

[@EzraAderholdDG]

@@SketchesForHumanity nice! I'd love to see what the results would be 🤘

[@JustinClarkson-nu1ik]

one of the farthest throwers on tour now wants to see if he can throw even farther. god save us all

[@michaelyork1096]

@@SketchesForHumanity Great video! And cool software. If you're taking requests for experiments, it would be cool to see how arm/lever length affects release velocity. Help put in perspective just how impressive it is when Emerson throws 500' 🤯

[@man0utoftime]

Didn't you and Tristan do a motion capture thing? I assumed that would've yielded all kinds of authoritative next-level insights.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Wow. Great work on both your form and this video!

[@SketchesForHumanity]

Thank you, Josh! 🙏 Great to see you here, you guys' videos have helped me a lot! 😊

[@mattfuller7663]

@@SketchesForHumanity me too!

[@rubusart]

Best video I've ever seen. Finally an honest presentation that explains how complex the backhand form is. Incredibly inspiring. Wish I had seen this video 10 years ago. Very well done!

[@IV_ATCTE]

Holy shit, I've been studying the pros relentlessly, filming my form, everything, I got stuck around 360 roughly 3 months ago. I thought I tried everything, but that tip about bringing the right shoulder forward and also driving through with the left shoulder as well as with your hips just blew my mind. I decided to give it a shot and gave it some reps with a towel and it felt crazy. I then tried it with my discs in a field and it immediately put me over 400. The shorter x-step really helped too.

[@ROCKONNORG]

I'm 71 years old. I went from 220 feet to 292 feet following many of your examples. The most important one for me was the 90-degree arm illustration at 12:35.

[@unicorn_catcher]

That right shoulder thing is gold.

[@kylekopepasah]

Time Stamps: 2:32 Throwing Plane and Follow Through 4:05 Footwork 6:19 Snap and Off Arm Drive 8:56 Disc Spacing and Shoulder Rotation 11:42 90 Degree Throwing Arm 13:39 Heal Rotation 14:44 Reach Back Timing and Rubber Band Effect 16:05 X-Step 17:15 Results

[@jordanamundson4129]

Thankyou.

[@frankhaula]

Man.. I just gotta tell you, I don't know if it's the Finnish summer or the fact that I was cutting onions earlier but that moment made me tear up. I saw that. I saw how important that was for you. And that's what it's all about. This is why we dot it! This is why disc golf or personal growth in any regard is such beautiful thing! I'm definitely sharing this video, this was done in such a genius and humane way. Thank you man! Have a good one!

[@Arctic3OD]

This video single handedly made me return to disc golf after 3 years of absence. The problem with most DG form content is that they're from people who completely skipped most of my struggles as throwing is more natural for them. The #1 missing puzzle piece for me was to push the right shoulder forward to activate my back muscles. Most people do that naturally, so no-one was able to point it out to me. Until now. I know this video is pretty old already, but I just had to say thank you. I rewatch this whenever I need a new puzzle piece to solve. By far the best disc golf form video I've ever come across.

[@chrisderus8172]

This is has to be the best progress video I have seen to date. You have definitely created a relatable and helpful video for those of us who seek more distance. The way you have documented your journey, spotted inefficiencies in your form and corrected them, and using simulations to back your findings is fantastic. Thank you for doing this, I'm looking forward to more.

[@lavertable]

Yea I was glad to see it wasn't Robbie C. So I clicked on it and now I bet I can get my old distance back.

[@mrjonnen]

I've been watching the slingshot guy, Ben's big drive, overthrow and so on. Your idea about pushing the right shoulder forward really helped. Gave me about 7 m extra distance on my first tries. One thing led to another during the same session and I think I got about 12 m regular distance as a consequence of that shoulder move. I'm going to be sore tomorrow. Please, I want to watch more rigid body simulations in relation to disc golf.

[@jackdonkey22]

The shoulder thing made a huge difference for me. It feels like it was the main thing I was missing.

[@jeffheyer7783]

You want to lead with your elbow

[@jeffheyer7783]

@@jackdonkey22 I’ve recently started feeling the power pocket. To where 350-370 ft now feels like what 300 foot shots felt like one year ago

[@jeffheyer7783]

The elbow is very underappreciated im the throw

[@jackdonkey22]

I'm optimistic that will be the case for me as well. It finally feels like my left arm and legs will impact the throw.

[@caspermadsen5932]

This video and your 8x more consistent video is by far the best break down and explanation of form I've seen. Thanks a ton!!

[@romiels]

I really hope that you'll make it to 500 feet and make another video. The physics based animation and explanation were some of the best I've seen on the topic! Thanks for the great video!

[@scottwhite512]

Such an amazing video! After looking through the comments I know I'm not the first person to say something like this, but as somebody who has been obsessed with the sport since picking it up 3 years ago it feels amazing to see the same journey I worked through in somebody else's eyes. We all have this infatuation with improving and putting together a solid performance piece by piece, it's what disc golf is all about. Don't stop overthinking, and don't stop practicing, all the effort you've put in and the knowledge you've shared today would be worth it all on their own, I hope you get some real recognition for how much this video will help beginners for years to come. Keep up the good work!

[@MrFred239]

I do practice a lot for last 3 years. Still not happening anything, but Im not gonna give up 😂

[@Nephilim2001]

I have to say that among all the tutorials on how to get a better form, this video in perticular has done alot for me. I started disc golfing in May of this year and been struggling to reach 75m. After two weeks of studying this video I can now reach 85m without much effort. I even got the Biltema speed recorder and today I reached 80km/h for the first time in my back yard. I'm 48 years young ;-) and my journey have just started. Can't wait to see what a couple more months of practise will do. Hoping to see more videos on this subject. They are tremendously helpful.

[@markbush5412]

An outstanding video in all aspects. Your humility and ability to isolate your next element of improvement is a talent. You may want to start a throw analysis business.

[@creativeflyfishing998]

"It's really difficult to bring up the muscle memory to have a consistent throw, when you are constantly making changes to your form". Couldn't agree more! :D. Very good vide and I really like the blender animations, they really explain things well!

[@dwmichaels]

For what it's worth, I was listening to a book "the brain always wins" where they discuss 'muscle memory' and suggest that repetitions of any kind are helpful. In other words, you don't need to be out in a field throwing discs to improve (I could argue this could be worse if you are throwing with poor form, you could injure yourself). If you know what you are aiming to do, focused imagining of what you want to do can help you improve as well. That, along with drills as you suggested with a towel should make your fieldwork and course play a well-rounded set of mental and physical reps to improve.

[@creativeflyfishing998]

@@dwmichaels Yes, I agree, and have heard this 30 years ago when I was training athletics at a relatively high level where the mental game is also an important factor (and also have a long history of coaching). I do a lot of visualisation, mostly as a coping mechanism for ADHD (I need to think about something exciting to improve my dopamine levels). This is how I learn new sports quickly (martial arts etc.) but I have never struggled with a technique as much as I have struggled with the disc golf backhand. I can do the correct motion with a towel or without anything, but as soon as I get a disc in my hand timing changes completely. I still just can't do what I know I should be doing. But sometimes a longer rest helps, and I think I'm just thinking too much. But as long as the "new" technique does not come naturally, I see no other option. But my friend has improve enormously once we started playing together as I have coached him with what I know (but cannot do myself) :D

[@dwmichaels]

@@creativeflyfishing998 Yeah, there seem to be some basic techniques that are "simple" for some and "virtually fkng impossible" for others. I've been trying for > 15 years. I can throw a disc the same distance with less effort, but not further :(

[@creativeflyfishing998]

@@dwmichaels sounds familiar yes, at least I know there is hope 🤔😂

[@Chris.Davies]

Your "pushing the ground" is "The Brace". See Drew Gibson, to see what he does with it. It causes your right hip to move backwards and hence increase your torso rotation rate, plus it also means you are extending up into balance on your plant foot. Trying to brace against a bent leg is fruitless, and you just glide over the top. Plus, once the leg is completely straight, the body can rotate in place about the stationary hip joint. Coincidentally, the bracing leg extension radically increases grip and traction simultaneously, just when you are applying maximum torque to your contact patch on the ground. :) Even more fun, is the fact that once you have finished extending into your braced position, the pressure on the ground radically decreases, to allow for easy plant-foot rotation/heel spin, and it relieves torque on the knee, as well. :) Since you learned to walk you have mastered the ability to land with a bent leg, and to quickly stand up straight into perfect balance. Using both legs to jump, or just one. If you extend too quickly, then your foot disengages from the ground during the smash, and that is bad news. Your foot can rotate, but it should never move sideways from your plant foot. I call this pole-vaulting, as it lifts you completely off the ground, even if only for a few milliseconds. If you take a final step that's too long, you can't brace against it properly, and if you are going too fast then you can't come into balance on your plant foot after the release. And to finish in static balance means you must have maintained dynamic balance throughout your throwing motion. :) in disc golf, you don't have much time, so you can't flex deeply when you land, as you have no time to stop your downwards motion, and reverse it before the disc is gone. Land with plant leg almost straight, absorb and extend the earliest you possibly can, but do not extend too quickly - as above. This is another thing in disc golf which is greatly dictated by physical talent and ability - and which the rest of us just have to work really hard on, for year, after year... after year... after decade... after decade!

[@ioweutube2]

"trying to brace against a bent leg is fruitless"? Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but doesn't Paul McB have a very bent brace for example?

[@kunle91]

You can brace/plant with a bent leg as long as it is firm. You see this in several rotational style throwing motions - baseball, javelin to a lesser extent, etc. It doesn't necessarily have to be straight, but it appears that a straight leg is more common.

[@Jono.]

I am not even kidding when I say this: I am at the “making space” phase. I have spent ages before this trying (similar to you) to chase the tension in my back. Something about you mentioning the “snap” tension and creating space for the disc and my discovery of that has made something click and I just got a PR drive. Fantastic video besides that as well but I want to say thank you!!

[@Sneakywood]

I have seen a lot of tutorials on how to throw but this simple pratice at 8:08 helped me a lot! I didn't really use my shoulder that much before and that shoulder rotation naturally made me spin on my heel and made my release much more powerful and precise. Thank you!

[@dannycarey9470]

How am I just now seeing this? This is sooo good! I feel like I’m stuck right around 300’ and there’s a lot here I haven’t worked on yet!

[@mortendmortensen]

Fellow 125m max guy here. I see that your head is pointed 90 degrees away from your target. One thing that has been working for me is to look at the target for as long as I can before throwing. This helps me to not reach back too early. Also helps me with not taking a huge x-step and over rotating my hips and torso. It makes everything faster in a way which was what I needed to fix my timing (at least improve) . It also helped with accuracy, which makes sense for obvious reasons. I will definitely watch this video again and try to improve on many of the good points you make here. GL on your journey to 150m

[@gurkdoinwork]

really well put together. i think the reason youre struggling to unlock the full driver distance is your still 'throwing with your arm''. Its something that a buddy pointed out to me. I came from Ultimate so throwing standstill was natural for me. I was afraid i was going to 'over power' the disc if i used full body weight sending it out of bounds right. This is key to unlocking your distance. Your mechanics are there. Imagine throwing it with your legs/ hips only. Like baseball home runs - the rip thru on the hip twist is what gives you power. High speed discs need just that to fly correctly. If you don't throw it fast enough, you'll see your fairway / midrange go further. Beware; there's a trade off of accuracy and power. TLDR: throw it with your hips, loosen your upper body a bit, and focus on your balance.

[@konstaConstant]

Simulations like that will definitely convince nerds like me and my friends to correct misconceptions! I'd love to see more :)

[@jeffkowal4723]

I really liked your video. I am 5’8”, 56 years old, having undergone multiple spine surgeries and had to give up ball golf. I started playing in May and could only throw 100’. I now can sometimes throw 230’ - 240’ but that’s all, more consistent around 170’ - 180’. My form is very inconsistent, having much to work on and this video gave me a lot of food for thought. Thank you.

[@tgraham413]

This video was extremely helpful! As a beginner who is also doing a deep dive into form improvements, your journey and mechanical explanations really resonate with my own experience. Can't wait to put some of these ideas to practice, thank you!

[@ericjepson3765]

The shoulder thing; thanks so much. Engaging my shoulder right before I start uncoiling has helped a lot. Just as you describe, it has really added a significant snap to my throw. Appreciate it!

[@zackp6794]

This was great. I’ve been obsessing over my form for a few years now, with small breakthroughs along the way very much like you. This was helpful, and also inspiring. Thank you!

[@benalbritton]

Best video on this subject I've seen up to now. Actually someone I can relate to. I've been stuck at around 300 ft max distance for several years and you give me hope! Loved the simulation!! Do more in depth video with that for sure if you can. Also if you can, model the best path the disc travels during the throw for maximum release velocity under the same given forces. A lot of pros seem to throw with a "V" kind of path and some arc from far inside to out; not many seem to throw on a simple straight line.

[@AdamSrgnt]

The most thorough analysis of disc golf form I have ever seen. Amazing. One very useful tip for practicing consistency in your throws (one that you may do but I don't think was mentioned) is to throw several of the same disc. A lot of information about the effect of your form on the flight of the disc is being lost if you are changing between discs with different flight characteristics.

[@FBruceMooers]

Congratulations on the personal record, and a big thank you for the details of the changes you made to your form.

[@chuckwatkin7462]

Very interesting! Very helpful! You are a humble genius. Good luck in getting to 150m. Please keep sharing. Disc golf needs more videos like yours.

[@SituAsian]

LOVED the video. So different compared to the typical disc golf videos in a good way. I can see that you've put a lot of effort in to this and I appreciate it. I have to say that I've gone through very similar path as you, I've figure out same ideas and have same mental notes. Please keep us updated about your improvements and make more videos!

[@alexgweiser]

This is f'ing dynamite. Excellent visuals and explanations of the mechanics. I'm on the journey too, friend, and this is inspiring! thank you.

[@alexgweiser]

Seriously. Even just trying out the shoulder change indoors has me so excited to dig in further. Thank you.

[@robertjones1730]

Two things you didn't mention that helped me big time: turn around facing a little more backwards in the x step so you have more rotating to do in the throw, and forcefully stomp your right foot down as you start the pull through. Great video!!!

[@Marco-nv5zx]

Yesterday and today I started to follow you suggestions, the "outside" shoulder, the position of head... Well it works! Easier shots, much more control of disc path, and consistency! Thank you very much I hope to play with you one day, and if you come to Italy, just let me know!

[@brianc1651]

Thank you. Restarted 3 months ago after playing for 9 months five years ago. I get to 230 to 240 on good throws. Practicing for like 1.5 hours a day. Making progress, but slowly. Can't wait until I can consistently throw 330 to 350. Glad to see I am not the only one that this will take forever for.

[@NotSoFast71]

I started playing last June at the age of 50. I started off with the "start the lawnmower" pull style of throwing that everyone seems to teach new people. I started instituting one change at a time to my throws and I am now up to the point where I can throw a 9 speed a little over 300 feet regularly at age 51. I am not tall (5'9") and have slightly shorter arms than my height would usually suggest. I look forward to getting better distance with more control as I keep making progress.

[@Paul-wk9ky]

This video is nothing short of amazing! Thank you for all the work you put into this. Sharing your cycles of progress, struggles, epiphanies, and success is incredible! An absolute KZbin gem!

[@VickySmalls]

I only just now ran across your channel, and I can't believe I haven't seen it before. Subscribed and liked immediately. I've been looking for a highly analytical approach to discs for so long, so coming across your channel was fantastic. Maybe it's because I'm a developer too that also disc golfs - but man this fills a void for me. Thanks! Looking forward to more. Cheers

[@Flyzguy]

This is really refreshing. I love the depth of analysis and quest for evidence and answering "why" instead of just making statements. The simulation work is inspiring. Bravo

[@mikestrout]

Great work. I have two things for you to look at. 1. Make sure you carefully watch where you plant your right foot so it is consistently offset from the line of throw. 2. It seems your wrist gets a little laggy, resulting in you holding the disc at 11 o'clock relative to the direction of the throw instead of 9 or even 8. This robs your disc of spin, critical when going for distance. Best wishes.

[@jacobbond9796]

Oh man, such an in-depth analysis! I'm impressed. I am a novice to DG and this is a mine of pure knowledge, just can't wait to go outside and try all this myself. Once again, kudos for you man! :-)

[@JW-ej4yt]

One of the better form videos I've seen, pros included. Thanks for the tips

[@Robotron2084Guide]

For people watching, especially if you are not young, be careful with your shoulder/rotator cuff. A safer long term focus is to focus on core muscles pumping the shoulder tilt rather than trying to tweak the right shoulder angle. The body likes symmetry of dynamic balance and movement for safely handling explosive movements.

[@Robotron2084Guide]

BTW- You seem like a genuine character, so I wanted to point out one more thing for you. In your personal best throw toward the end. Watch your lead leg as it goes from foot strike to flat onto heel- It looks like your knee is destabilized and bends awkwardly, as your plant foot rolls awkwardly over to the side during its clockwise rotation. From that angle it looks like your swing axis is compromised. The destabilized swing axis, also seems to be affecting your hip opening timing as your power-L arm heads toward the dynamic power pocket, and when your hips are fully open, as indicated by vertical back foot, your elbow hinge is already open. Easier to fix if you take the run up out of the equation, and find better hip activation/core flexibility.

[@Hanserfaust]

I love the idea of my body becoming a slingshot now being taught (2023+) rather than starting the lawn mower "pulling across your chest". Like your Blender simulations proves, the most awesome sling of them all - the Trebuchet works by this exact principle. Inspiring video, thanks!

[@TommyF4]

Great build up with techniques :) A big tip I want to add: You can try to "lock the door" angle with the disc on the reach-back. It will be a bit of an anhyzer-throw. But the back muscles extend a bit more when you do this. I work at a gym, so my self often train this motion in a lowrow machine with a single-handle (with one arm at a time). How to do this on the machine or in the air, is to straighten out your arm, and when you turn your hand to the left while forcing a longer reach forward, you can feel the back-muscle extend a few more inches. At least I throw further with this technique added :) i'm at 140+ meters now and played 2 years :)

[@lukebohn5472]

Best progressive analysis anywhere!! Sooo very HELPFUL my friend!!!! Thank you very very much brother!

[@daemn42]

Nice analysis. As someone stuck in the 90-110m range right now, I've been going through all the same stuff. Keeping the upper arm perpendicular to the upper body, and not reaching "back" behind my body but "out" from my chest, with upper body rotated, is my current focus. Every so often I get that "pop" and lately I may even get it on every throw for a practice field session, or half a round, but then usually lose it again and it takes a while to get back. As you say, when it's right, the disc just wants to leave your hand, but that's often when I start to get early releases instead of the pop, so I'm also working on improving my grip strength. My X step is all but non-existent so that'll be next on the list. As for the whip, try holding the corner of a cloth, run through your form and actually whip it. When my form feels right, the cloth will actually audibly crack right at the release point. If you try it and find that it's smacking you in the chest on the way by, remember to cock your wrist (as you would while holding the disc), instead of just holding the wrist straight out.

[@paulwinder8163]

This is an excellent video. The content is top notch and since it's personal, it's very touching and relatable. I'm going to try out some of these principles tomorrow in practice. That simulator is neat and I want to see some more. Well done.

[@cesarescalante11]

This is probably the best video I've ever seen on how to improve your throw. I've been working through the same progression. Started 2 years ago proper with my kids. Just couldn't throw a backhand. Spent a year just throwing when we'd go play and trying to notice what worked and didn't. Now I've been going through what seems to be the same greatest hits list on videos for a couple of months. I have been able to go from "I can't throw a backhand" to 200ft to 225 to 250 to a max of 300 once every few throws. I had started to regress because everything wasn't baked in and some of the things you've mentioned (like the back foot position and drive) started to feel important and feel like a mess, but I didn't find specific mentions of it or what should be happening. And describing the feel of things is worlds better than just giving the what. You could do it the other way around and just tell people to throw so it feels a certain way and then after they do that explain the mechanics of what they are doing. I'm just going to jot down a list of everything you found after the 300 mark, because I made my first videos yesterday because I started going the wrong direction and it looks like I have all that left to go.

[@nuchsnook]

Seriously the best disc golf video I've ever seen. Excited to try these techniques out in the field! Please do a forehand video!!!!!

[@ognahtanoj]

I’m finding this video after figuring out the jump from 360’ to 400’+ the shorter x-step is what helped me too. I wish I had found this earlier. It really took me a long time to figure out the little intricacies to get to 400’. There are a ton of other things that you mentioned that I’m not currently doing in my form that I’m excited to try to see if it’ll help improve and get me closer to 500’. Like the lag you mention. The shoulder as another leverage point. Pushing off the right leg. And incorporating the off arm a little more

[@AaronsTalks]

I am stuck in the 90-100m! I have a lot of power from my legs and hips and I know that I don't have good body mechanics through all my upper body and arm because I don't even think about it. I find it very hard to implement 1 thing and then remember to do the other 4 or 10 things... This is very helpful and I am excited to test out the should joint forward. Many thanks for your time in making this and I shall watch your other videos now haha

[@kunle91]

Thanks for making this video. Being able to explain some of the concepts biomechanically is helpful for those who understand biomechanics and may have more of challenge with how things may appear or feel.

[@kenta3148]

It took me 4 years to quit throwing and start whipping. It just struck me in one moment and it seemed so ridiculous that I was throwing for the last four years. Now I whip easy 350 and working on timing/other things to make 400 with an 80% effort. I like that my finger tips get the sting from the snap. It is so exciting to play the course with longer distance options and throw higher speed discs with the power to control them.

[@muchograndeyolatengo]

Wow this absolutely gold. All of your hard work and set backs makes you the perfect teacher, since you had to overcome and mentally adjust more concepts than the average pro or coach. I've never really understood the role of the passive arm before now. Mosts coaches will just briefly talk about it and throw vague terms around like "timing mechanism" and "counter balance". It's the first time I've heard anyone go into more details about it and now I think get it. I also tried your exercise and it instantly beccame clear to me that I've been arming the disc so far. I have trouble getting to a point where I feel tension behind the right shoulder. I've heard other people talk about the importance of that tension. Do anyone have any tips on how to get there?

[@namelessking8496]

This was fantastic. I never thought much about the timing of the left side of my body, just to get that left arm pinned to my torso during the twist. But now that I can of start my upperbody motion by snapping that left arm down and tight before anything else I'm getting a lot more coil and experiencing snap for the first time! Mostly just working standstill and 1 steps right now but my putters are already going as far as they did with a run up before. Awesome stuff!!

[@TSOLT]

The best explanation of the mechanics of the backhand throw i've ever seen. You really nailed it, and made it easy to understand (probably helps that I normally have a engineers way of approching things). Would You please make a similar video of the mechanics of the forehand throw as well? I'm under the impression that you might be my only hope at the moment to develope a useful forehand 😉👍

[@iGnominee]

This has been one of the best videos explaining the biomechnics needed to throw efficiently. Bless KZbin algorithm for sending me here and thanks for the work you didz

[@bvwol]

Kudos from Wisconsin! Nice job analyzing your form and things you looked at to make changes. I am 69 and working on getting to 300 feet regularly. You’ve provided me with a lot of ideas to get there. Thanks

[@BlueJeansBuilds]

Great explanation. This really helped me see where I'm screwing up. Tha k you

[@Flakzor123]

Wow! This video really makes me curious about your future progress. I see you discovered that some concepts regarding throwing techique are often misunderstood and I think the "hips first" is a great example of that. Personally I feel it is quite descriptive for how the power should transfer through your kinetic chain but the way some people include it along with "lag" almost gives me flashbacks of when I blew out my back 27 years ago doing the very same thing in my usually unsupervised discus throwing. In my opinion many people use these terms without thinking about "athletic stance" (core tight, back straight, knees bent, hips hinged...). Your core is basically a clutch with built-in antispin system that cuts powertransfer if you try to give it enough juice to make it "slip" with the added complication that you don't get to replace broken parts so keeping it in athletic stance is vital (for anyone who doesn't know what "athletic stance" looks like just watch Ezra throw).

[@DMSharp07]

I'm so glad your persistence paid off. Great to see you make your distance! I notice you started with Disc Mania starter set, but you demonstrate indoors with a Latitude 64 Grace. I can't seem to use very fast discs yet, so I've really bonded with the L64 River and Saint. I love their long glide numbers. Michael

[@yeeboi1513]

I like to think about the x-step as compacting your body, where your foot and arm comes towards your centerline at the same time. Then the plant step is extending your body, and the plant leg reaches out forward at the same time as your arm reaches back. Mirroring actions are really natural for your body to do, so keeping the arms and legs tied together has really helped me feel the timing

[@jerkwagon]

just put alomst every YT DG channel to shame, great production and the info was AMAZING, spot on! off to the field i go!

[@Coco192694]

The extension from the shoulder really is the key here. Without that everything else distance wise is fruitless I really think many people are rounding, just are too fast to ever notice it. Can't wait for another video man

[@randyn1080]

This is the best video I've ever watched for instant improvement. Pushing my shoulder out and feeling tension in my upper/mid back changed my speed and snap so that I was throwing my heats 300 from a standstill with what felt like 50% power. In hindsight, this is what everyone else preaches about sticking the elbow up and out, but I never made the connection to extending the shoulder as you taught. Thanks so much for making this video and keep making them! I'd love to hear your other takes!

[@mengkachang4233]

Thanks for breaking it down. Been playing for a year seriously so I’ve already understood some of the concepts. I studied this video all night and went out to play earlier and I finally broke 300 with my buzzz.

[@timorantalainen3940]

Brilliant explanation of the mechanics, thanks for sharing! The explanation was absolute gold with the simulations, essentially it's all about maximising the radius of gyration of the elbow as you pointed out. From the muscle mechanics point of view this optimises the ability to generate impulse. That is, the higher the contraction velocity, the less our muscles can produce force (because of how muscle forces are generated on the molecular level). With the maximised radius of gyration we'll maximise moment of inertia (resistance to turning) and hence enable maximal power output. The "spring-like" effect you mentioned on the timing of the reach back and x-step is called the stretch-shortening cycle and is thought to optimise power output because of 1) the stretch reflexes activating at the transition from stretching to shortening, and 2) muscle mechanics where the stretching enables starting the shortening from a force level higher than naught. This helps because muscle force production is not instantaneous so getting to start above naught maximises power. Therefore missing the timing of the reach back (getting closer and closer to stationary) lowers the force level we start the pull from.

[@SketchesForHumanity]

Thanks for the detailed explanations, makes a lot of sense! It was more of an intuitive understanding for me, but you put it into technical terms :)

[@nateridgewaymusic]

Absolutely one of the very best videos anywhere on the internet on improving the back hand! Thank you!!

[@chrisaponte7298]

Thank you so much for making this video. Sent this way by Simon Lizotte. I'll have to use your method!

[@grimreefer213]

This has to be the best video on improving your distance i've seen! Fantastic! Now I just need to figure out how to break 500 feet 😆

[@HammerFitness1]

The conceptual analysis translated into practice demonstrates a fair level of intelligence my dude. Great video, people tend to forget that even golf and baseball is a rotation with the torso and hips, not a pull/push/chop. I did similar analysis with powerlifting and being as mechanically advantageous as possible to lift the most weight as possible

[@Marco-nv5zx]

Super analisys ! So these are well deserved results, because you applied a method. A lot to learn from you, thanks a lot! There is hope for my form!

[@scotranney8456]

I completely related to your comments about putters and mids going further once the real "snap" throw comes into play. Once speed goes up timing gets more difficult, but in a more inverse proportion way. The one thing I've found that helps keep timing going with max distance throws is to remember to relax. Everything goes bad, at least for me, when I'm actually "trying" to get that max distance. Like other comments here I'd also love to see a lot more of those simulations with all sorts of different angle, speed, and length variables. Very cool. Keep up the great work!

[@ryanholmes6601]

This is just fantastic! I hope you don’t mind a couple of questions for you and the other curious form chasers that will no doubt find this video and enjoy it! 1) How are you gripping the disc and what are your thoughts on grip and “nose down” orientation and or a grip that allows the disc to pivot out of the hand rather than ripping out without swinging out (where the part of the disc opposite of where we are gripping actually becomes the front relative to its flight) 2) have you played with “curling” the wrist actively to manipulate the amount of spin impaired on the disc, relative to arm speed? Sort the active and intentional unfurling of the wrist to create spin? Again, great video. Your explanation of that dynamic tension you are creating in the back really opened my eyes and took a concept I understood mentally to something I could feel and understand how to create! Thank you!

[@johntroyer997]

One of the first videos I’ve seen that actually went over more than just the very basics and explains it well, thank you.

[@joelgraff6550]

I coach little league baseball and this video makes me feel much better about the pace of improvement that I see in the kids' throwing form. There are simply so many parts of the body involved with the throw that getting all of them timed properly is a very difficult thing to do. One day, when I was fifteen, I suddenly threw perhaps 10% faster when I accidentally changed the timing of my arm to have a whip-like motion. Luckily, I was paying enough attention to my mechanics that I was able to remember that timing and could replicate it on my following throws. This video had me going down memory lane. Thanks!

[@nmkloster]

I think a lot of pros "accidentally" have good technique and thus excel and have fun and play more and get better technique. And then they have tweaks to work on which they practice and can explain. BUT they also have to figure out what they did correctly right out of the box if they want to teach it. It is enormously interesting to see someone with "a bunch" of areas to work on and come along for the ride of figuring it all out. Very very informative. Thank you! Also 15:50 - YES, this. It is my latest discovery. I tried to intentionally do the motion too late but instead I found this rubberband /bounce effect and instantly got an extra 30-50 feet.

[@Beaglefaust]

The struggle is real. Thanks for documenting all this for those of us who are on the journey where it doesn't happen overnight.

[@TimTimsTim]

Incredible video sir. Thank you so much for putting the time in to make this and giving us clear and thorough explanations.

[@rivermungall6374]

I think that was the most enjoyable KZbin video Ive ever watched. Your explanations were very eloquently put. So easy to follow and made so much sense

[@newsYk]

Amazing video. You are not alone. The struggle for distance is real and progress is happening really slowly and nothing comes easy. I'm stuck at 300ft and you gave me a huge hint were should I go next to increase the distance :) thank you

[@UtahDarkHorse]

First, congratulations! That's awesome! Thank you so much for the video. I am much newer to the journey than you and just threw a new personal best today of 230' slightly uphill. I've been stymied by some of the same things you've worked through and really appreciate the simulations and explanations of how you got to the next step. Thank you so much for sharing and am looking forward to your next milestone!

[@MatiasPiispanen]

I didn't expect a crossover between disc golf and Blender but hey here we are. Absolutely brilliant video. I learnt a lot.

[@dcjordan5150]

Congrats on your progress, so glad you’re sharing your journey it’s very inspiring!

[@jeshxll]

Thanks for this great video! As a forehand dominant player, I’ve always struggled nailing down a comfortable backhand - this raised a lot of good tips. This is extremely helpful and as someone who’s just behind 400 ft your journey may help me get there

[@wyvern274]

This is one of the greatest form videos I've watched.

[@ROCKONNORG]

Incredible! This video is far more helpful than videos produced by the top experts. It truly chronicles the extreme nuances of form required to throw over 400 feet. More importantly I don't feel so alone in my struggles now. You must have kept a detailed journal. Thank you!

[@Erocku]

I am right where you got stuck. I have yet to have anyone really describe the shoulder movement to make more room for the disc the way you have. I have heard to make room for the disc and figured me block was coming from that and timing but nothing has clicked yet. I’m excited to get out and try this out after hearing your breakdown. Thanks!

[@kruksog]

This was both fantastic and realistic. 100% sub earned.

[@kruksog]

Just gonna add my comment here rather than adding new top-level comments. I first played discgolf in highschool (graduated in 2006). I still struggle to hit 100m and I'm just so utterly impressed with the insights here for someone who has only played 2-ish years. I've never sat down and worked on my throw like you have, but I think I'm justified in asking: please keep posting. Good shit. 120m is absolutely something. Yea, guys do throw putters that far, but ams 100% aren't among those people. Keep it up. Theres a reason Ezra and OT are commenting on this video. Thank you!

[@Hicunabo]

What a great video. This summer i decided to really work on my form and doing so, i really got discouraged while measuring my max distance. I thought I was consistently throwing 100-110 meters and 120-130 when everything goes right (I guess i didnt really count small elevation changes or think that tee signs could be that wrong at some courses). I was humbled and realized my consistent distance was actually in the 85m for fairways and 95-100 meters for distance drivers. Looking at this video, I think some things finally clicked for me. I have watched a hundred tutorials and understood what a good throw was but couldnt put it together. Currently treating injured right arm but i am doing some of those drills inside you showed. Thanks a lot man and heres hoping you reach consistent 120 meters and more in the future!

[@exareon]

Wow, there is so much info in this video.. I will rewatch it alot to grasp it all. Thank you for sharing your insights

[@jeremiaskalliokoski2702]

Amazing video! As a smaller man I kinda lied to myself to be ok with not being able to cross 110m. This definitely motivates me to start fixing my technic by videoing myself like you did!

[@00bdog00]

Awesome video! I have lingered around 300' to 320' on my drives for the last 10 years and I can't wait to put some of your ideas into practice. Thanks for sharing this info

[@krisbellmore6241]

i love this video so much... in 2 days i have increased my distance 50 ft. now , a lot of you are thinking ok 1 throw went 50 ft further . no. every throw ( since working on right mechanics) was between 40-60 ft farther. i am 5'4" and now can throw 375 ft consistantly . its not amazing, but for me , it pretty awesome. thank you for this video

[@SketchesForHumanity]

Great to hear that my video helped you! Now onto making more videos :)

[@tlm8980]

I have been stuck in the 375-400 ft area for so long, it's cool seeing someone else's journey and how you overcame obstacles in your form

[@tinytoons2517]

Ya, dis is very good, it actually help with my golf swing, thank you ! the snap unlocked my stock 240m to 270 to 280m drive, yeehaw.

[@rafaelarguello2171]

This video is so good. There are so many things in this that I try to explain to my group and I will be sharing for sure. Thank you for making this