A Flaw In Street Design May Be Costing Lives - Cheddar Explains

[@andymcl92]

The UK has a fantastic method to slow down drivers, and the implementation of this system has been growing rapidly over the last few years. Potholes.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

I realize your joking, but the most effective way of enforcing speed limits over a given road is to make it so that you can't drive it quickly. Speed bumps are brilliant at that. You can engineer them so that traffic traveling at responsible speeds can go over them with no problems, but if they go too fast then they have issues. Obviously, in cases where people do decide to speed anyways there are issues with drivers losing control, but they do massively cut down on the speed at which drivers drive and do so consistently throughout the year at any time of day or night..

[@andymcl92]

@@SmallSpoonBrigade We do actually have some decent and well designed speed bumps which don't go across the road but are designed so that buses with wider axles don't have to slow down. If you're a good driver then it's pretty easy to barely notice the bump in a car when driving at a reasonable speed.

[@chrisanderson7820]

@@SmallSpoonBrigade You also need to accept that decision also has a trade off. Speed bumps cause constant braking and accelerating and are decision points that distract a driver from other elements around them (other than the speed bump). Additionally braking and accelerating are inherently more dangerous than constant speed due to the shift in velocity and changes in weight distribution for the car, a speed bump is actually a grip hazard. This means more pollution because revving the accelerator burns drastically more fuel (plus noise), less driver concentration on their environment etc etc. The same goes for constantly changing speed limits. Ideally you want people driving at a constant conservative speed, which brings us back around to the psychological problems mentioned in the video.

[@Pumastu1978]

@Chris L speed bumps are great for the emergency services!

[@esfreerider]

Speed bumps dont slow speeders down people dont but cars anymore they buy SUVs crossovers and pickups and by the time you make a speedbump that makes a f150 slow down its impassable in just about any sports car.

[@CrimVulgar]

This video neglects another argument on this, that the further you are from parallel points of reference (houses, pedestrians, lampposts, etc) the slower it feels you're moving. Trains never feel all that fast either in their wide open pastoral land until you go through a station at 80mph and you barely see it go by.

[@sammygg21]

Great comment.

[@TradingFeline]

excellent point

[@asdfgoogle]

Maybe it's just me, but if I'm going say 30mph on one road and 30mph on another road with more parallel reference points, I still feel like I'm going 30mph. Granted, I think it requires more focus to preform at the same level, but that essentially what was stated in the video.

[@DrTheRich]

Very true. Roads here in the Netherlands are designed in a way that makes it feel uncomfortable when driving faster than allowed. You can feel subconsciously what the speed limits are even without a sign. If you ever get to drive here you'll no exactly what I mean

[@PrinceofPwnage]

All cars have speedometer, invalid point.

[@jamesbrost1367]

As a pizza delivery driver, i always felt more comfortable driving under the speed limit on urban streets with lots of parked cars rather than trying not to speed on wide open roads (both having a 25mph speed limit). Now it makes sense.

[@peteroselador6132]

As someone who lives in a town with plenty of each type of street, I agree

[@Ray-zy7vb]

james brost it’s funny because it’s totally that- trying REALLY hard not to speed. but in wide open roads it seems so hard because everyone i check my speed, i’ve somehow sped up without even meaning to

[@jamesbrost1367]

@@Ray-zy7vb what makes it hard is when you can't use cruise control to avoid speeding because it won't enable til 26mph.

[@hmmm9658]

You should see the roads in the uk, if you think that second picture is a small crowded road

[@merrymachiavelli2041]

I was just thinking that! Lots of country roads are only _just_ wide enough for a single car and lined with hedges and overhanging trees. Not to mention, they are rarely straight. Still, I much prefer that to something overly sterile and manicured - in particular, I love those 'green tunnels' you get when driving through wooded areas.

[@juch3]

@@cheapalopod8563 "road"

[@renrww6847]

You should see the roads in all latin America

[@Picoman121]

I'm surprised they didn't mention that

[@wealthiness]

roAd

[@AkhilSinghKhyalia]

In India we have well placed cows and rickshaws for slowing drivers down.

[@xWHITExEAGLEx]

Hahaha

[@alamahmed5068]

Akhil Singh Khyalia lol

[@josharntt]

And potholes! Those are very effective.

[@Jeremy-lh3lg]

Bet your ambulances love that...

[@arnilieable]

Ah....you mean active people centered streets....

[@piccolo917]

hold on, you thought it was a great idea to create wide, open roads that look like highways through residential areas?

[@daerdevvyl4314]

They thought that people would pay attention to speed limits. Naïve, I know. Anyway, if people did follow speed limits, the wider roads with better visibility would obviously be safer.

[@geoffpriestley7001]

When they showed the narrow tree lined road at 5,15 thats 4 times the width if the road round here the street outside my house is wide enough for 2 cars to pass but 2 large vans or buses cant pass one has to pull off the road, its approximately 14ft wide ,some places its wider where large vehicles pass some narrower that slows traffic, it also bends and twist round greens and some of the older houses

[@jengreen6183]

@@daerdevvyl4314 not necessarily. Wider roads appear safer and even if drivers adhered to speed limits, perceived safety could translate to other risky behaviour such as not paying enough attention to your surroundings and using phone etc to further distract the driver. The clearance around you and the time it gives you to act don't matter if you're not paying attention. If all else equal and humans were less human wider roads likely would clearly win though.

[@geekygirl2596]

Apparently yes.

[@austinhernandez2716]

@@daerdevvyl4314 even then it still wouldn't work because people wouldn't be watching out for other cars or pedestrians.

[@desu38]

the ones deciding what a roads function should be: designs roads that look like highways Drivers: go fast the ones deciding what a roads function should be: 😮

[@timmytwister6397]

Its not "city planners" who design wide streets, its transportation engineers. Engineers generally only care about efficiency of traffic flow. Planners care more about community, pedestrians and livability. Unfortunately, decision-makers in cities have typically deferred to the engineers. But that's changing.

[@SlyRocko]

@@timmytwister6397 honestly that js what I really don't like about traditional jobs. They only want you to do what you want to do while not caring for anything else. Nowadays, it is expected to have some knowledge with the other areas of business you are working with. Sure it makes getting jobs harder, but people are becoming more intelligent (for the most part), and the benefits of at least having the knowledge variety far outweigh the drawbacks.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

@@timmytwister6397 Traffic engineers are supposed to care about both efficiency and safety. It's supposed to be about getting vehicles from point A to point B as safely and efficiently as possible. The problem with the video is that there are plenty of ways of engineering a road that looks more dangerous than it is, so that the drivers will naturally sense how fast they're going and choose to drive somewhat slower without constantly looking at their speedometer. For example, rather than turning lanes of traffic into bike lanes like they've been doing in Seattle, you can make them parking lanes if you really need to. You can make sure that the sides of the streets are planted with trees that are easily uprooted in case of a vehicle crashing into them, but of a variety that will spread across the road to some extent. The city planners are morons, they go whichever way the community goes even in cases where it makes little sense to do so. State law here indicates that speed limits should be based upon the rate at which drivers actually drive. Setting the limits too low like we have in Seattle just means that more people will not take the limit seriously as the limit is clearly not related to the speed at which a car can drive, but the speed at which it's less dangerous once you've crashed. People drive more often that they crash.

[@timmytwister6397]

@Chris L The city planners are morons, they go whichever way the community goes even in cases where it makes little sense to do so. I completely agree with you about measures like planting suitable street trees and traffic calming measures in street design where appropriate. Which was my original point. In my municipality, we have arterials, collectors, and local roads all designed by the city, but they tend to be the same width and the same speed, with zero or little traffic calming on local roads. Its a very 1970's car-centric approach where vehicles rule, and pedestrians can just deal with it. City streets are NOT just a method of "getting vehicles from point A to point B as safely and efficiently as possible", with the possible exception of arterials. Streets in residential areas, near parks, playgrounds, and neighbourhood commercial areas should use traffic calming measures to make getting around by foot, bike or wheelchair safer and more appealing. These types of streets, in particular, must be for everyone, i.e. accessible and kid-friendly. It's unfortunate that you feel "city planners are morons". It is clear that you and I have very different experiences in how streets are designed in our municipalities. In my city, the attempts by planners (city and consultants) to encourage traffic calming, even on local roads, tend to be dismissed in favour of a homogeneous road design which favours vehicles everywhere. Despite this approach, I do not feel that transportation engineers nor city officials, in my city or anywhere else, are morons.

[@100problemsnot99]

😂

[@wyntresorrow403]

I think it boils down to the fact they try to push cars on everyone. I love my car but i think there should be more sidewalks

[@valixeongaming922]

I'm late, but yes. Normal walking paths on one side for dog walkers (gotta give em somewhere to "go") and edible pathways on the other. Onion greens, clover, dandilions, pomegranate hedges, blueberries, a randomly selected fruit tree every few blocks, the works.

[@ejoomf]

M Detlef yea but i shouldn’t have to drive to go to a store 500 ft down the road from me because there are no sidewalks or any safe feasible patches on land for me to walk on

[@ejoomf]

whacky pax people will walk regardless would you rather it be on a public sidewalk or in your private yard?

[@ejoomf]

whacky pax can i see your TOEFL results?

[@ejoomf]

whacky pax im 17 and definitely not a liberal lol

[@Whofan06]

"The problem with the road design is that drivers are stupid"

[@Milesco]

*Exactly.*

[@DanielBrotherston]

So, you can't fix drivers, maybe you should think about fixing streets instead. Choosing not to fix streets when we know how, because you believe the drivers are the problem is choosing to kill people solely because you can blame someone else.

[@gnevala]

Absolutely

[@dbclass4075]

@@DanielBrotherston Careful not to underestimate stupidity. Idiots will find a way to cause chaos. Still, it is possible to influence the outcome of the stupidity, though.

[@DanielBrotherston]

​@Roman Hauksson-Neill Self driving cars, still programmed by humans, and still can have mechanical failures. Worst of all, they're operated by humans who may choose not to maintain them, or even choose to override their safety features. The point of safe road design is to design roads where are inherently less likely to result in death and destruction when something goes wrong. Then it doesn't matter what the driver does.

[@josephhouk6703]

This could be the reason for Arizona's #1 ranking in pedestrian deaths in the US. The typical five-lane-plus-bicycle-lane main streets are essentially designed like freeways, and people drive on them like they are.

[@oneofmanyparadoxfans5447]

@C caymer Our capital, Phoenix, was settled before WWII. Of course, that doesn't account for the fact that road plans can change drastically over the span of half a century or longer.

[@TheRealCartman1]

@C caymer As all streets should be. Poor people walk and are leeches on society, rich people drive and pay taxes which pays for roads. Therefore the roads should be built to suit the people who pay for them and the poor can learn to get out of the way.

[@oneofmanyparadoxfans5447]

@@TheRealCartman1 Hey, hey, I'm all for social hierarchy, but you've got to remember that it's poor people who build the mansions, assemble the cars, poor the asphalt for roads, and work as groundskeepers, house maintenance, and butlers. Show them at least _some_ dignity and respect, it doesn't have to be much, but still.

[@saveamerica5265]

Eric Cartman ever think of cyclists who are doing it as a sport or trying to stay healthy instead of sitting on their parents fortune drinking fancy wine 🤔

[@nickpatella1525]

you guys do realize that he is probably playing the character from South Park? this is probably something he might say. Idk tho, Eric Cartman does walk a lot.

[@MrBlitzpunk]

Meanwhile in my country Green: go Yellow: go faster Red: you should stop but ehh... There's no police around

[@chongjunxiang3002]

Red: you pray hard there is no motorcycle, car, people, bicycle accelerating at that moment.

[@FlymanMS]

Malasia?

[@omkarnaik2758]

India by any chance?

[@MrBlitzpunk]

Definitely somewhere within east asia

[@turboalex124]

100% Italian

[@lk159]

5:11 as a European i say this still is a big ass Street. „have to weave Around Cars“ what r u driving? a Tank? 😂😂

[@honeybuns8225]

American do like their stupid big cars, so yes, they are driving tanks lol

[@PhilliesNostalgia]

The GM copies, Yukon, Suburban, Tahoe, and Escalade practically are tanks. Incredibly long, wide and just tanky

[@ForageGardener]

@@PhilliesNostalgia Denali

[@PhilliesNostalgia]

@@ForageGardener thanks. Is that GMC?

[@ted7653]

@@PhilliesNostalgia yeah, its GMC

[@Snokey1302]

"narrow lanes" Sure... *laughs in european*

[@pennsylvaniaball9137]

Just another in a long list of things America does better.

[@techheck3358]

Zeronality *agrees in NHS*

[@Snokey1302]

@@pennsylvaniaball9137 if you watched this video, you'd know, that this is not better 😂 And btw. I'm hooked! Tell me 3 more things from your list

[@pennsylvaniaball9137]

@@Snokey1302 >Guns >Cheap gas >lack of "free" healthcare >big roads for big cars >Amish >The food( No, McDonald's is NOT American food. come here and visit a local diner to see real American food.)

[@pennsylvaniaball9137]

@Zeronality I have solidarity, for both my family and my countrymen. Unfortunately, too many people in this nation are not Americans.

[@iainhewitt]

There was a village in the UK where local council workers were sent out to repaint the road markings according to a map. Unfortunately, something went wrong with the printing and instead of nice, straight lines along the edges of the road, the council workers followed a set of instructions giving road marking that narrowed the road without putting any actual barriers to traffic in the way. Suddenly, traffic was travelling much slower through the village and treating these markings as physical barriers. Purely by chance, a new traffic control method was invented and has since been used to great success in other places.

[@amzarnacht6710]

You mean those crazy zig-zag shoulder markings I see sometimes on Brit dash cams?? Those... WORK? In the US we'd just take one look, say 'WTF?' and drive right over them.

[@innsj6369]

(I believe) White zig zags are officially to indicate 'strictly only stop for traffic lights or to yield'. You see them at pedestrian crossings mostly. They also might help to slow down motorists at these areas, but I don't actually know. Yellow zig zags can be found outside schools and hospitals and other such priority places, and they are basically double yellows on steroids, 'strictly no stopping/parking' as it can be dangerous or restrict needed access to other road users such as ambulances or people crossing. They are often accompanied by a sign that says no stopping and the hours and such.

[@seraphina985]

Another interesting phenomenon that was discovered by accident is the effect having evenly spaced lines across the lane or along the side of the road (including from things like trees) can help lower speed. Though in this case by making drivers more aware how fast they are going, giving the eye regularly spaced fixed references allows us to judge speed better and since we tend to underestimate rather than overestimate drivers tend to feel they are driving faster with references than left to judge without a clearly defined external reference point.

[@KasabianFan44]

Following, I would also like to know the name of that village.

[@Haybalemelonhead]

Classic council

[@rafi7252]

This is why in my village the lane only enough for one car, so when two car met head to head, they have to stop, and causing a jam, thus creating a safer environment for everyone, since nobody's moving

[@phillipshin1355]

Fucking trash

[@user-ky6vw5up9m]

That is how the Dutch design small roads.

[@EmptyHand49]

@Bob Marly Same could be said for these "safer" roads. They are more prone to accidents which cause traffic, and deaths.

[@daerdevvyl4314]

My hometown has a residential street so wide that I’ll bet you could fit 20 cars side by side. With no lines seperating it into lanes, and almost no traffic. It’s glorious.

[@traGthLP]

@@daerdevvyl4314 lmao what city?

[@lostbutfreesoul]

I describe it to people like this: The human brain is naturally lazy, it will try to use the least amount of energy as possible. If you give it situations where it can 'turn off/tune out' something, it will do so no matter how important. Building roads to eliminate all hazards only made it easier for the brain to tune out what hazards remain.

[@purbass]

I'd bet the majority of drivers here have had a moment where they regain focus and realize they've driven quite far either half-asleep or otherwise much less aware. I find those moments terrifying and I'm thankful both that I'm still alive and that I haven't killed anyone.

[@lonestarr1490]

@@purbass Are you sure about the second one? Maybe you've been too tuned out to notice? Just kidding. I know exactly what you're talking about.

[@shineisland7447]

I've done it for years. I call it auto pilot. Ill be tired at night work done home time contemplating something. Arrive 500 ft from home and realize I don't remember the ENTIRE ride. But I know if something was different...tree down...car coming at me out of control...anything that could lead to a bang up...I'd "come to" right away and most times react in time.

[@yanDeriction]

The solution is to remove the human brain from the equation. Let the self driving car handle driving on wide, straight, safe streets. You can play angry birds.

[@evilsharkey8954]

yan-Deriction, those cars need to have fully autonomous and fully manual modes. All these cars with the super safety features that do most of the driving are training drivers to not pay attention. They can pass all the laws about keeping your hands on the wheel and eyes on the road, but that won’t change the human brain’s tendency to not focus on things it doesn’t perceive as threats.

[@CoachRoFlores]

I've always felt much more scared on wide streets, I feel pressured to go faster and I know people will switch lanes or cut you off suddenly so I always feel on edge. At least with little streets, I have the excuse to drive slower and take my time.

[@brianthibaudeau8081]

To quote Jeremy Clarkson, "Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary--that's what gets you."

[@Reydriel]

Well, suddenly gaining enormous speed from being hit by a car also kills you lol.

[@tylerm8128]

@Al Gee Jerk, which is the derivative of acceleration, is actually what kills you

[@dylanvaughn2540]

we could make a religion out of this

[@chrisp84able]

G

[@sr71blackbird71]

@@tylerm8128 actually the loss of blood usually kills people

[@center4nerds]

This is very interesting because in newer streets it always felt like the speed limit should be higher than what it was where in contrast much older parts of the city the speed limits seemed higher than what felt comfortable. This helps explain a lot of that where you have old parts of town built in the 20's to 30's and newer parts built in the 80's to 00's.

[@jaredbowhay-pringle1460]

@Zwenk Wiel It's in part due to commercial and residential zoning laws designed around the car, meaning it's almost impossible for a lot of suburban Americans to simply walk somewhere to carry out a simple errand like buying milk.

[@colto2312]

@@jaredbowhay-pringle1460 yah that milk on foot is only 5 miles away through 100 properties. But by car it's 25 miles away as one has to loop onto an avenue. It is a serious problem

[@Mr539forgotten]

@Zwenk Wiel The argument in short (and yeah it's a legitimate academic argument) is that because suburbs are so spaced out in the US you are more or less forced to drive everywhere for everything, whereas in cities it's too cramped and difficult to drive so it's easier to just walk out our front door and walk down to the shops or to take public transport. Ergo cities inadvertently force you to walk more due to their extremely obstructing design to cars and proximity of places favours walking. Suburbs achieve the inverse, it's so easy to drive, it's often too far to walk, providing public transport services is just that much more difficult with more area and lower population density to cover. Edit: So yeah you're essentially right, it is because of shit diet and little exercise, but the issue is exacerbated by inconvenient planning and design making it that much more of a pain to walk rather than drive. For instance, I live in Australia, not the US, but I live about a 25-minute walk from the shops, about a 5-7 minute drive, if I obey the speed limit. Mind you, I don't have a car at the moment so I skateboard to the train station nearby and catch that to work, but when a shopping trip is a 45 minute round trip venture on foot and you're limited to what you can comfortably carry, you're sort of forced by inconvenience and your own laziness to just drive. When I used to live in a small CBD I lived in an apartment across the road from the shopping mall. From the door of my apartment on the third floor to the entrance of the actual supermarket store within the mall, it was barely a 5-minute walk - I'd happily carry as much as I could hold through the shops, across the road and up 3 flights of stairs. If I only needed a couple of things? Well, I was laughing. Had I driven, despite the fact that it would be laughable to drive when I literally lived across the road, it would have taken me a solid 10 minutes at least once I negotiated 2-3 sets of traffic lights and weaved through underground parking. I actually did some quick calculations and found out that within that small CBD if you wanted to travel from any point to any point, if it was a 15-minute walk or less, it was far easier to just walk and forgo traffic, traffic lights and parking complications. I later lived further away from the shops a year and a half later, despite the increased distance, it was only about a 10-minute drive still, though about a 20-minute walk. If it was a nice day, I was still better walking from my apartment to the shops that driving through the shitty CBD, so long as I wasn't in a hurry. So there's a little context for you to help understand why 'suburb planning' makes people fat.

[@cutienerdgirl]

@@Mr539forgotten It depends on the population of the area, my county is flooded with people and we often walk to the nearest bus or train.

[@LancesArmorStriking]

@Zwenk Wiel The second part of your question, answers your first! If you're 50 miles away from the nearest store, are you going to walk there by foot, or take the car? Chances are, you'll exercise less in a suburb because things aren't close enough to where you could spend time walking to and from a store (in the same time as driving the 50 miles takes). As for the diet, it's hard to sustain small businesses in areas with nothing but roads, and American zoning laws don't let businesses set up near homes. So the only types of businesses that can survive are fast food- shitty, made quickly (bad quality) and cheap (again, sugar and fat are super cheap in the U.S.). That's why Americans are so fucking fat. It's not their fault, but conservatives insist that it's you're fault that there's no healthy restaurant that you can walk to on a weekly basis, instead of rushing through a Denny's drivethrough. Oh, and most American foods are packed with sugar. Even things imported from Europe (hamburgers for example, will have shitloads of cheese, bacon, deepfried onions and sugary sauces) are turned into monstrosities. It's sad really. Such a proud nation, yet so many problems no one is willing to admit even exist.

[@reddust4352]

Those 'open' roads look incredibly ugly

[@blisterfingers8169]

15 seconds of information delivered in 6 and a half minutes.

[@Reydriel]

Only if you are concerned on the "what", and not the "why" and "how". Education isn't just about listing facts, but understanding.

[@andrewv5104]

And read by a robot......

[@squeakybunny2776]

@@Reydriel although wide roads May seem safer since they offer enough space to correct for a mistake/misjudgement, they are actually les safe as the design influences Peoples behaviour and driving to the point were drivers exceed the speed limit bye such margin that the build in "safe space" is rendered insufficient make the roads inherently more dangerous.... There you go. The what, why and how..simple and Without going on and on about the same thing over and over again.. Op has a point is what im trying to say...

[@badrunna-im]

There's quite a bit more substance in the video than that. Sure, what you've summarized may be a good answer for the title, but that kind of delivery is half as enlightening and much less impactful, similar to how people just gloss over their speedometer and speed on instinct. The paradox mainly applies to streets, not roads, by the way.

[@Reydriel]

@@squeakybunny2776 You missed all the history as to HOW it got to this point in the first place. Besides, if everything was written as summaries it would be extremely boring.

[@zachshipstead5247]

More than "looks hazardous", it's easier to experience speed when you have objects around you...

[@yodaddy4944]

Zach Shipstead its even better easier to experience speed by looking at a freakin speedometer

[@krdjmtc]

Yo Daddy I disagree with you and agree with the other guy.

[@Nearthel]

@@yodaddy4944 If you go looking at the speedometer, you won't see the pedestrian crossing 5 meters ahead of you.

[@kathrinlindern2697]

@@Nearthel We do not even need speedometers you look at, modern cars can be equipped with GPS to tell you the limit and when you go over it... most drivers do not speed because they do not notice, they do so because they "feel" it is safe to break the law...

[@incognitoburrito6020]

@@kathrinlindern2697 I've never had a GPS that tells me the speed limit, much less a car that has one built in.

[@RicoGalassi]

Here's a cool fact: the white dashed lines on a highway are 10 feet long and the space between them is 30 feet!

[@staticbeans]

RicoGalassi what the fuck... it doesn’t seem like it when your doing 75

[@ianmburke]

@@staticbeans I think that's the point, because our perception of distance is skewed while traveling fast it lets us easily maintain following distance and awareness of short range distances

[@edipires15]

Ian M Burke exactly: the French implement this logic in their Autoroutes

[@slaughtergang518]

@@staticbeans get on your car right now and please try it at 130 and above. it starts looking like a straight line with no cuts. pls go try it

[@JhysenTheAsian]

Channing Laurens LOL

[@libsteve]

Yeah, I remember realizing this when learning to drive. It’s pretty obvious when you think about how you personally drive on different roads. I grew up where we had a mix of both kinds of roads, and some that transitioned from one kind to the other. Given the same speed limit, I realized I drive slower on the more narrow roads than on the wider ones. Interestingly enough, the wider roads was where all the speeding happened-not the narrow ones. Just goes to show that arbitrary rules like speed limits never work as well and an intuitive environment designed with psychology in mind.

[@Schimml0rd]

I mean im Damn sure NOT driving down this highway with 15mph :b

[@josipcicic8]

OK KZbin I watched it. Leave me alone now

[@koolkiller35]

Wardex no, no, no. Now KZbin will recommend you other videos similar to this one

[@digiscrappin]

Tap the three dots next to the thumbnail. Select not interested. Voi la! You tube stops recommending it.

[@neverluckym8728]

@@digiscrappin no it still will.

[@ruebenllongoria836]

Bucks 2020

[@zecuse]

@@digiscrappin Not before KZbin re-recommends it later tonight.

[@Phlegethon]

Yea I don’t want to walk on a street with no sidewalks thanks

[@ThommyMckGoaty]

Phlegethon right that’s the main issue

[@kristianl7117]

Streets without sidewalks make sure that the cars have to make way for the pedestrians and not the other way round. I live in an area without sidewalks (except on main roads obviously). And i always feel safer on the streets here. I can walk in the middle of the road if i want and the cars have to stop or slow down. Roads without seperation of pedestrians, cyclists and cars have been statistically proven to be a lot safer that roads with seperate lanes for each

[@AntiKiwieCS]

Kristian l this is not true. It has been proven that lines on the street separating the road for cars and pedestrians isn’t safer. Sidewalks with an elevated platoon is safer. Feeling more safe when walking in the middle of the street vs walking on a sidewalk is ridiculous

[@kristianl7117]

@@AntiKiwieCS As i said this is ofcourse not the case on busy main roads, but on small residential roads shared space environments have been proven (although, i admit, it has not been extensively studied yet) to reduce accidents.

[@tamiyadriverGp]

Wait, someone is actually going on foot in the USA? I didn’t notice that 😃

[@timyassa4343]

Video says wider roads make people drive faster. Not sure why it took so long to explain that..

[@amzarnacht6710]

Talking about the history that lead up to that 'oh, derp!' moment.

[@64___]

Thank you!

[@Mrhalligan39]

Video also says much of the increase in traffic fatalities is among pedestrians and cyclists. Sounds like they need to stay off the effing road where the cars are at.

[@Applezauxe]

thank you cause i desdass couldn't focus

[@TransitAndTeslas]

The second picture is literally every older part of the US, and a lot of suburbs of Europe. Unfortunately it seems Australians went for the newer more “dangerous” US style now too.

[@KuraIthys]

I've spent about 20 years of my life in Australia and the vast majority of suburban roads (which this is about) are tiny cramped things. They tend to be a bit wider in country towns, but there's plenty of very cramped roads in those too. I've lived in Sydney, Brisbane, Darwin, Adelaide, Melbourne, Ballarat, Cooma, Cobar, Byron Bay, Alice Springs, Ballina and a bunch of other places besides, and I really can't think of too many examples of 'wide' suburban streets. Main roads, sure. But main roads are main roads, and that isn't what the video was about. If anything I've seen a proliferation of roundabouts, 40 km/h speed limits, endless speed bumps, and extremely narrow roads that would count as single lane roads if there's cars parked there, which there almost always are. Australia's suburban roads largely resemble European ones most of the time. (I've spent 8 years living in the UK and a similar time in the netherlands, so I certainly have a point of comparison for that.) Australian roads in general, rather resemble british ones. Roundabouts everywhere, narrow streets mixed with wider ones rather haphazardly... I'm really not seeing what you're referring to, unless you're thinking of some exceptionally recent trend (like in the past 5 years or less.) If anything, the roads keep getting windier, narrower, and with more and more roundabouts and vicious speed bumps all over...

[@user-vk8yq8oq7p]

Because the EU design is ugly as shit

[@rickau]

I have found that in new residential estates the roads are quite narrow and there is a conscious effort to make the area more friendly to other modes of transportation. But in established areas, they are getting a lot of pushback from residents and motorists when changed which make it safer for everyone get proposed because "but my street parking!" and similar reasons.

[@Strideo1]

I love older neighborhoods with narrow streets. They have so much more character and charm than the mass produced tract housing that they've been building for many decades in the US now.

[@drkatel]

KuraIthys, wow! You've been fortunate to live in so many gorgeous places. I'm envious.

[@MooMilkMilk]

So, how about speed bumps, roundabouts, street lamps and idk sidewalks? No? Ok.

[@youtubecrazy6438]

Well hers why that won't work.... I use them as ramps, I drive straight across when I can/people don't know how they work(thank God because they suck), street lamp I use to spot cops, and I've seen people drive on them before....

[@Potassiumkloride]

It seems like this video is mostly focusing on residential streets. Speed bumps and street lamps tend to be avoided in large numbers in residential areas because they lower the property value by being a pain in the ass to the people who live there, and the main demographic being targeted at families with kids. Prospective home buyers don't want their entire street brightly lit at night making it hard to sleep, and speed bumps are both aggravating to people having to drive over them every day, and an issue for emergency vehicles trying to quickly get to a house. Sidewalks tend to vary by place, but oddly enough they're an actual thing house buyers avoid when looking for a home, and lots without them tend to be more attractive in the real estate market. And as for roundabouts, those are an entirely different issue of the US fighting tooth and nail to avoid installing them because they just hate them for some reason.

[@MooMilkMilk]

@@Potassiumkloride speed bumps and street lamps are the norm in residential areas in the country I'm from. Especially cause there's kids in those areas

[@texastuna]

Speed bumps are failures for two main reasons: 1) People use the space between them to travel at an increased rate of speed, and 2) they slow down emergency response vehicles

[@mxer4life]

@@Potassiumkloride round abouts cause a lot of accidents, too. This intersection near me that had maybe 1 deadly crash every 1-3 year's was changed to a roundabout and now has about 2-5 small fender benders a month. Granted there hasn't been a single death or hospital visit caused by an accident there since it was put in. But it causes way more accidents than it ever had in the past.

[@ofamilyonthemove1238]

I spent my 20s living in a historic neighborhood built around the turn of the last century. With street parking, trees, and narrower roads, people were much more cautious. Now I live in a neighborhood built in the last decade, I always wondered why I noticed more aggressive drivers and close calls with pedestrians...this makes sense!

[@SilverMoon925]

What happened to the beautiful metric conversions? Did you forget us already?

[@mybackhurts7020]

SilverMoon925 are you too ignorant to do the math

[@LoganDark4357]

They thought you were smarter than us Americans and could do the math yourself. Clearly they were wrong. It's the other way around, it seems...

[@SilverMoon925]

I'd like to enjoy the video, not sit down and do pointless maths just to understand the video. What's wrong with keeping both systems on the video? Cheddar wants views. There are 6.7 billion of us who use metric and 300 million of you who use US customary units. Welcome to the Internet. This video isn't exclusively yours.

[@SilverMoon925]

"​@That guy " What? That made no sense. English please.

[@SilverMoon925]

@@LoganDark4357 Right...... Not wanting to pause the video to check the maths to understand the video is a sure sign of intelligence. It's CERTAINLY not possible that some of us might just want to sit down and enjoy. Right?

[@mrbarneystinson100]

I watched this at 1.25x speed

[@ritiksfilms]

mrbarneystinson100 hey Barney. How’s your daughter?

[@deadringer-cultofdeathratt8813]

Looks like we've got a badass over here boys

[@sepkos9680]

Madlad

[@MineGames131]

1.50x

[@allanrichardson1468]

I hope you didn’t hit any pedestrian pixels!

[@kal3198]

What she calls a unsave and narrow lane is a quite huge lane in Germany 😂😂

[@sks17873]

KA l it’s probably easier to learn here though. The wide lanes are great for me.

[@kal3198]

@@sks17873 with here you mean the US I guess?... From what I heard it's much easier to learn driving in the US but at which cost that's the real question... Most Americans can't drive a manual and are anxious when they drive more than 60mph (at least that what's a mate told me after his year abroud)

[@anncokafor]

@@kal3198 Well, you kind of have to drive more than 60 mph on the freeway/highway, while 30-45 mph on streets/roads.

[@kal3198]

@@anncokafor I can only quote from what I heard from my mate. He told my a few years ago that the kids who got they license with 16 (by the way impossible in Germany) are very anxious and don't really know how to drive and get quite nervous when they drive on the highway and need to drive over 60mph. I don't really know anything more but I'm not a big fan of the way the driving schools are handled in the US. But this maybe is more a cultural thing.

[@lordunhold5381]

@@anncokafor what do you thing we germans drive on high & freeways ... freeways up to 80m/h & highways goes past infinity

[@Arggoll323]

It will be interesting to see how road development changes in the future with the change to automated driving. If the roads will become so narrow just to fit the cars due to lack of error or keep to the past standard of wider roads with a distrust in the technology as it develops.

[@jpe1]

Julian once fully autonomous cars are the norm then we will see multiple revolutions in transportation, including the rise of single passenger cars that are roughly 1 meter wide and also the segregation of roads for cargo transportation vs passenger transportation. While it will likely be a long time before existing streets are rebuilt I imagine that new residential subdivisions will be built to accommodate the new reality.

[@Defensive_Wounds]

The internet GPS goes out on one car - what happens?

[@X296-g6y]

@@Defensive_Wounds it stops

[@LORDMEMESTER420]

Defensive Wounds autonomous vehicles will probably also communicate with each other locally for collision avoidance among other redundancies.

[@SynthAir]

Softy my thoughts exactly. The tech isn't perfected but it's already shown to be much more reliable than even the best human drivers.

[@rcbif101]

Every other sentence, this person....pauses and....hesitates.

[@zain4019]

Rcbif I actually like that.

[@Milesco]

I just crank up the playback speed in the settings, and problem solved.

[@amzarnacht6710]

The pacing is done this way on purpose.

[@rcbif101]

@@amzarnacht6710 - well it sounds dumb, like she's reading her script off a text message on a phone.

[@r.d.9399]

It's a trick used to make people listen.

[@G_v._Losinj2_ImportantPlaylist]

i love how the magnet board which tells you to think about driving when driving, has “blonde” there as a specific distraction.

[@florbengorben7651]

Redhead is also included there

[@drdewott9154]

Meanwhile where I live this forgiving style of design was never implemented. People were always first. I live on a Danish suburban street built in the 80's and it features very narrow lanes, multiple speedbumps, very sharp turns, limited visibility for drivers and dedicated pedestrian crossings everywhere. It is designed to be handled at 20 km/h but even I more often than not creep through at 15 or 10. The main road in my town is also fairly narrow and features quite a few sharper turns but most of this roads layout was made hundreds of years ago as a forest path for horseback riding.

[@yeetus1398]

DrDewott hej med dig

[@cpufreak101]

American here, my neighborhood is older and doesn't have this design, but I've drove through ones with these super wide streets. There were legitimately times I ran stop signs cause the sign was so far out from my field of vision that I completely missed it (and being unfamiliar with the area didn't help)

[@KIJIKLIPS]

You'd get to your destination quicker going on bike. It would be better for the environment too given your circumstances

[@skullmountainfanboy4928]

What's up fellow enthusiast

[@UnbreakableRukawa]

I thought European roads were narrow, then I took a bike tour around Japan and I finally understood why some Japanese cars were so tiny.

[@JarodJL]

I have always firmly believed that roads have an intrinsic speed people would want to go based on its design, regardless of the speed limit.

[@miaugato93]

that's what most people do already at least here in Portugal. although that intrinsic speed is going to be changed by driver's accostumation, the feel the car gives (bigger cars = more filtered = apparent speed goes down). Overall we'd be back at the same thing.

[@yanDeriction]

@@miaugato93 Also depends on whether the driver has some sort of education in road engineering. I doubt most people understand all the factors that go into deciding a speed limit.

[@miaugato93]

@@yanDeriction over here its random. a road was designed to handle 100km/h just had its limit reduced to 70km/h enforced with camera. for no apparent reason.

[@billybobjoe198]

Yes, people do not drive according to the posted limit, they drive according to their comfort. Which is a good thing. Speed limits are backwards thinking. The only time people check their speedometers are when they see a cop. Which takes their eyes off the road. A cop's presence alone makes accident rates skyrocket. And their flashing lights at night with pulled over vehicles is super dangerous. You ever wonder why there are so many cop dash cam recordings of the police car being rear ended at a traffic stop on a highway? It's because the lights dazzle people and they target fixate on it. Cops switching their lights to being just a static red and blue would reduce accidents drastically.

[@jlandheer]

Take a look at Not Just Bikes. I'm from the Netherlands, the streets here have quite a lot of traffic calming, we have separate infrastructure for bikes, pedestrians and in some cities even public transport. The amount of traffic keeps increasing here, but the amount of fatal traffic accidents have been declining for the last decade. I think we're a good example on urban planning.

[@56independent]

Most people say you're the best.

[@sandwich3075]

Never understood why American suburban streets don't have sidewalks

[@marshallferron]

unfortunately it's because in the US if you're not driving they think you're too poor to matter.

[@kickandblock]

What are you talking about, I’d say 90% of residential streets have sidewalks

[@sandwich3075]

@@kickandblock really? Just search up American residential street on Google and all you see is the actual road, cement driveways and grass

[@catalindeluxus8545]

Because the roads are mainly meant to be driven on, or walked for very short distances (From bus/train station to house, and back).

[@catalindeluxus8545]

Most residential streets close to big boulevards and common transport do have sidewalks

[@lokesrum]

Do like Mexico. Set up really big speed bumps every 200 yards which forces drivers to refuce their speed to 2 mp/h so they don’t ruin their cars and fly 3 feet up from your seat. It’s super annoying, but super effective!

[@Samuel-er5bf]

C caymer you must have never visited Mexico. In the US, those speed bumps are nothing. In Mexico, if you try going fast at a speed bump, your car will be destroyed lol and they are in close proximity too

[@wooferjr169]

Speed bumps?? Tell that to my Ford Bronco 😂😂😂 My truck EATS speed bumps for breakfast!!

[@ilostmypointer8695]

@@wooferjr169 Sppedbumps still sucked when driving a Hilux in Mexico.

[@smileydog5941]

@@wooferjr169 No dude you don't understand. Mexican speed bumps are no joke.

[@Seethenhagen]

Speed bumps kill though, both through causing accidents to drivers unaware of them, and through delaying of emergency services. While you do want a driver to act carefully, you want them to do so in a passive way, and introducing obstacles and changes to the road surface will only make a driver focus more on what the road is going to be like, than any opposing traffic or pedestrians that may potentially cross.

[@keatonsmith5669]

I've noticed this living in the Midwest. Older parts of my town have these narrow, less furnished streets, while the more recently developed areas have wide shoulders and, in some places, have altered the roadway entirely. Where a road used to follow the contours of the landscape, a new road cuts right through it, dividing Old Street into three new streets.

[@IvorMektin1701]

Pedestrians are getting run over because A Pillars on new cars are too girthy. Sit in a car from the nineties and compare it to a new car. New cars are like sightseeing in a Sherman tank.

[@ericwong5207]

I'd take a girthy A-pillar over getting crushed when my vehicle rolls...

[@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer]

Also too sound proof. I don't like driving in the City with closed windows. I call it Audi-o-vision.

[@FlymanMS]

Or just, ya know, pay attention when driving. Especially when closing to pedestrian crossing.

[@i.suk.6146]

Would you prefer the pedestrian dying or yourself dying when your vehicle rolls or an animal hits your windshield.

[@withelisa]

Agreed. I love my 1999 Subaru because it's like driving in a fishbowl. I can actually see out of the thing whereas newer cars seem to rely on sensors

[@nickgehr6916]

be safe, your dog wait you home

[@buddyclem7328]

That's pretty good English, for a dog.

[@bruhdabones]

Zenn Lozanno I’m having a stroke, sorry bro

[@nickb8507]

It’s a cat for me but same reasons

[@q_q123]

hi doggie

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

I have a theory that proving ground roads with clear zones with less risk of killing people can be done by having bushes and fences, stuff like that, it won’t kill you if you crash into it like a tree would, but it’ll mess up your car if you crash into it and you’ll need to pay to replace the stuff you broke, so most people will slow down to avoid crashing, you would get the best of both worlds, less accident deaths, lower speeds, and increased pedestrian usage if you include sidewalks.

[@loganmartinez6487]

I just want somewhere to walk on my street, that isn’t on the road lol

[@daerdevvyl4314]

If you walk on the left side in right driving countries or on the right side in left driving countries, you’ll be safe.

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

@@daerdevvyl4314 Bullshit. Sorry, but that's just bullshit. It's even more bullshit when the only road between your house and the nearest five bus stops is basically a highway and doesn't have crosswalks within 1000 feet of your shitty, steep driveway. No, I don't live in the boonies; there are traditional American-style suburbs right across the street and three major transportation hubs within ten miles of my house. The only reason this stupid road doesn't have a sidewalk for the large stretch I'm forced to walk on to get anywhere is because of the highway status.

[@jackmcslay]

5:58 Optimus Prime is off to fight for traffic safety

[@johnmcleodvii]

There is a spot near my house that looks like a roundabout, but it isn't a roundabout. My 2 children showed it to their drivers ed instructors who both have the design a failing grade. The only saving grace for the intersection is the low traffic. It would normally be a T intersection. Entering from the stem of the T (top of the map linked below) there is no yield sign. But there is one on exiting. The right side of the T (left side of the map) does not yield at all on entering or leaving. The left side of the T (right side of the map) has a yield on entering, but if you are going straight across, you do NOT go right and around the loop, you go straight. The developer had planned the same dirt of thing at the roundabout at the pebble brook entrance to the subdivision. Fortunately s traffic engineer told them no. That one is a normal roundabout, even if one segment of the circle I'd narrowed to one lane by paint. www.google.com/maps/place/Vinings+Estates,+Mableton,+GA+30126/@33.8334533,-84.5343613,18z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x88f519ed16f468ed:0x39b595bd97e40568

[@Kinshasa9200]

people gave Nader a tough time for being a political meme as the perennial green party candidate. the guy deserves a lot of credit. he is a consumer rights advocate that was harassed and stalked by motor companies who weren't happy with his campaign for car safety. he advocated for whistleblower protection and environmental reform.

[@oofyeetmcgee]

Meh. I'm sure he ment well, but he was also wrong about stuff

[@macsnafu]

@@oofyeetmcgee Exactly. Intentions aren't enough if your facts or conclusions are wrong.

[@Reydriel]

He was only wrong in this ONE part. What about everything else?

[@Ma_Ba]

New York Public Interest Research Group aka NYPIRG, for instance.

[@taylorbertrim7625]

We all know speed doesn't kill. It's the suddenly stopping that gets ya.

[@inquiry1346]

Taylor Bertrim how original.

[@taylorbertrim7625]

@@inquiry1346 it's actually from Top Gear that's why I said "we all know".... Sorry I wasn't creative enough for you.

[@inquiry1346]

Taylor Bertrim I thought you were trying to make it seems like you invented the quote.

[@kowikowi465]

its literally the kinetic force wich kille you

[@yanDeriction]

and you are more likely to suddenly stop if you speed.

[@deepfriedewoks7657]

I wish more roads were built like the bottom one. It looks so relaxing when your walking or driving to admire to view making me drive slow. The top one looks fun to speed down with all of that room if no one is on the street

[@braianosorio882]

As a truck driver I will tell you all kinds of roads been killing people not just residential

[@Milesco]

Indeed, it's not the roads, it's the incompetent drivers who don't know how to control a motor vehicle. As a competent driver myself, I resent being forced to go slower than necessary just to accommodate the idiots who shouldn't be driving in the first place.

[@govinlock8568]

I even had my car's mirror on driver side collided with other car's mirror due to narrow, straight road. I mean, WTF, the road is not planned well because no one predict that the vehicle become so large like today.

[@johnmoore1495]

This is too true, I take the same main drag everyday to school for about 10 miles, roughly the first 4 miles the road is 4 lanes (2 on each side) and they are super narrow because they can’t expand the road due to houses. Thus everyone is making sure they stay in the middle of their lane, and if anyone speeds it’s only 5mph above. But once you hit the bridge it widens like a highway so everyone goes across the bridge at like 55-65 even though the speed limit is still 35. Once you reach the other side the road narrows a little bit but it’s still probably 2-3ft per lane compared to the narrow side. On the wide side everyone goes at least 5mph over if not 10-15mph over. It seems like every day there is an accident going from west to east (going from big lanes to small lanes) due to people continuing to speed despite more hazardous conditions.

[@hitardo]

I think the best ways to slow down drivers are: - Roundabouts - Speed bumps / humps - Reduce the lane width - Make curves Traffic lights slow drivers down, but then drivers fell like they have to accelerate harder to "compensate". We should take this seriously, especially when human lives are at stake.

[@ditrixgenesis781]

I appreciate tangents. On Vsauce videos. This is too long. Also, TL;DR, thin, crowded streets are like hard to read text. You benefit from the added concentration.

[@noahscott5820]

Ditrix Genesis what is tl dr

[@ditrixgenesis781]

To long; didn't read Usually for articles or FB paragraphs or whatever, but can be applied anywhere

[@TheBurritoLord]

Every video links back to the suburbs being an abomination. The streets are too big, they were racist, not pedestrian friendly, and out right terrible

[@FlymanMS]

To me they seem very boring and empty. A place you go to sleep and rest, if you want anything else - jump in a car and drive at least 2 miles to nearest Megamallmart.

[@TheBurritoLord]

I don't like that living in suburbs forces you to use a car if you want to go anywhere. They usually don't even have good transit options if you want to walk/not drive. @@FlymanMS

[@MarisaClardy]

I live in Texas.... it's all terrible road design here. Not a single good street here.

[@johnhopkins1608]

these videos are excellent at 2x speed, that way it doesnt feel like forever to get to the point

[@MrCRMoir]

UK residential streets; narrow roads, more bends in the roads, speed bumps on the roads and cars parked in a zig zag fashion. Hence why we have very safe roads

[@juniorflores4542]

Ross Moir that’s merely because it’s a small area in comparison to the US.

[@mokuu3313]

I believe if a street is being narrowed by expanding the sidewalk , the sidewalk should not be higher than a foot off the ground (like most american cities). I do understand walking on an elevated surface separate from fast cars does feel safe and I totally agree! However when we as pedestrians are separated from cars by a *whole* foot off the ground , this gives the drivers/cars more incentive to speed faster as they know they don’t have any hazards. I believe the sidewalks should be more on the same level as the street but elevated enough to feel separate yet integrated. I believe this as when I have to mount a high curb I feel segregated from the other side of the street. The high curbs make the street feel like an impassible ravine with the only way of getting across safely is by bridges, aka crosswalks. I’m not against crosswalks. My point is that our sidewalks should be similar height as the street like you see in older cities like NYC, Washington DC, Boston, etc. This makes the drivers slow down while making the city feel more accessible and easily navigable as a pedestrian. *Thank you for reading this far

[@peace8373]

Europe uses many ways to slow drivers down, speed bumps, narrow lanes, roundabouts, lots of features that make a town or village a place to live instead of just another road where people go to fast and cannot see what is going on.

[@miaugato93]

there's a village near me that they never changed the road plan ever since medieval times, they just paved over. Apart from a "big" two lane road that used to be an interregional connection back in the 70's, you don't really drive faster than maybe 20km/h. Most of the time you're driving 15 km/h. other thing that it's popular in my country is speed bump crosswalks. They raise the crosswalks so that a) it's level with the sidewalks, +1 for disability access, b) a car needs to slow down or it'll be flyin and breaking stuff. Of course, the governments didn't predict that would generate an increase in SUV's...because the high curb height negates the desired effect. an insurging thing that's very popular with the safety crowd but being overused and breaking flow of national routes, is the roundabout. Over here every single cross road or t-section is being replaced with roundabouts. Great for safety and general flow, but it's a pain because you change rhythm more frequently, which generates tiredness, fuel expenditure, pollution, and some say it doesn't solve the problem because the safety gained by deleting cross and t-sections is lost because people trying to average and therefore driving slower, sometimes way slower than normal traffic, are constantly overtaken by speedy gonzaleses that then sometimes headbutt the incoming traffic generating fatalities. so yeah...traffic safety is a complicated matter.

[@GeFlixes]

There's a real problem with speed bumps: They also slow down emergency vehicles, particulary ambulances with loaded patients. Reactionary speed bumps that can be lowered do exist but are more expensive. A good alternative are those street signs that show your current speed and a smiley face when you're slow and a sad face when you're too fast. They're everywhere where I live, especially in 30 km/h zones around schools, kindergartens and hospitals.

[@sweetheartokay69]

I live in Europe and this doesn’t slow me down I go with my huge truck and I don’t even feel those speed bumps no matter if I’m speeding 😂😂😂

[@miaugato93]

^ see what i meant?

[@YeloPartyHat]

Be careful with how you go about such an argument though, the second image looks much more dangerous because in most examples it is. In relation to the mental part as well. It isn't so much about how safe it is but how easy it is to turn your brain off while going down such a street. This means drivers will still go fast in narrow asf streets if they go down them often enough. Just look here in rural and semi rural Australia. Making the roads more dangerous only makes the roads more dangerous... The current best solution I can think of is road humps (speed bumps)

[@stevem815]

Yeah my street is so narrow that two cars can barely pass each other and has blind corners. There's a tourist site at the end of it though so there's a constant stream of people trying to crash into each other every day. Tourist p-platers... There's a special class of humanity.

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

The real solution is to get rid of the need to drive, working on public transit systems and shorter walking times and better city planning. But no, "muh freedumb" dictates that to go to the grocery store next to your neighborhood is a 5 mile drive because we need to build walls to stop people just directly walking to the store, and instead have to go around in a huge circle.

[@daway212]

Sherrif public transportation works, but shorter walking times doesn’t, especially more suburban/urban areas. Making everything in short walking distance becomes increasingly difficult or inefficient

[@leexgx]

4 way stop seems best way to cause crashes (but even with traffic lights you still get people who just don't care and run a red light at a 4 way) only one road should of priority, the one with trees should be the one that is unsafe but seems very odd that people just assume its clear and go

[@peteroselador6132]

[this comment I’m about to type is a joke] Safer until newly-licensed daredevils start swapping the “h” in “humps” with a “j” in “jumps”

[@d.e.b.b5788]

As someone who has now been driving for 45 years, what I have seen is an increasing disregard for traffic laws and the safety of others. Pedestrians walk out into traffic more often, because they have been brought up in an era where children are taught that pedestrians always have the right of way, and just expect traffic to stop for them no matter what they do. 'City' style driving, without using directionals, has become more and more common as city dwellers move out to the suburbs due to higher prices in the urban areas.

[@lobsterknifefight92]

Great video! This definetly reflects my experience moving from the central Texas suburbs, with it's wide open streets in new developments with nothing overhead, to Hawaii Island Hilo side with older narrower streets with low visibility from trees. The neighborhoods definitely feel safer traffic-wise.

[@PeterTea]

Slow down, you go too fast. You gotta make the morning last. Kick up the cobblestone. Feeling groovey.

[@john-wo4rv]

Drinking boozy

[@deanvoss7098]

I have been a truck driver for over 30 years and people driving cars drive like maniacs and they expect too much from their automobiles. I've been passed on the shoulder to my right by cars driving over 100 miles per hour.. I've had people risk their life I speeding around me only to cut me off when I'm driving a semi and then turn causing me to lock up my brakes and I could give a million examples but it comes down to it people drive like maniacs and expect too much from the car to save them

[@mitcholla]

speed doesn’t kill. distracted driving does.

[@simplicitylost]

0:19 So, why have we been building so many street like this one over the past twenty years? Cheddar. Me: I didn't know how many ways cheese affected my life!

[@Burt1038]

I go through this almost every morning. The street that connects my neighborhood to the highway is straight and wide and about a mile long with nothing but fields on either side. The speed limit is 25 mph and even though I usually do about 30 mph cars will tailgate me or sometimes pass (illegally) to save a few seconds. Our HOA is in the process of petitioning to get some speed bumps put in which might help a bit.

[@odthegreatest]

Interesting approach, reminded me the story of the 2nd WW combat aircraft structure reinforcement regarding on the damged area analysis. Turns out, the seemingly undamaged areas are actually the cause of crashes thus needed most attention.

[@slowanddeliberate6893]

So, the problem with the "safe-looking" road isn't the road but is speeding drivers.

[@magnusdagbro8226]

No, it's the complacency too. If the driver feels too safe they get inattentive and don't react to potentially dangerous situations.

[@PascalGienger]

In Germany a city tried to remove all traffic lights and right of way signs in a downtown area. Accidents went down dramatically as drivers need to yield "right before left" and have to look out for all other drivers, bike riders and pedestrians...

[@raypitts4880]

round abouts are ideal for that space allowing

[@alvarorangel5513]

This video fails to mention “Unsafe at any speed” was eventually debunked by the very own Department of Transportation

[@berengerchristy6256]

I read an article about a michigan cop reviewing speed limits on roads and increasing them in nearly every case. he determined that peoples' speed is determined by how dangerous they feel a road is. on a big flat straight interstate people will go 80 when the speed limit is 50 because there's no reason not to. on a windy mountain road people will go way slower than the posted speed limit in some parts because of the inherent danger of the road, just like this video said. when there are obvious dangers, people will accommodate

[@jar407]

nader was no help by the time he wrote the bood the corvair problem was already fixed. hi group was the one who got darvon products banned and the fda then told doctors to prescribe oxies. and it was always said he did no research of his own

[@DCLocal84]

That is because DoT didn't debunk his book. While it's oft cited, what DoT showed was that the Corvair was not more dangerous than other vehicles at the time in a statistically meaningful way. However, those findings supported Nader's premise, which was that nearly every vehicle on the road was significantly more dangerous than they needed to be. He used the Corvair as the model of "unsafe" but his book is critical of both American and Foreign cars. The statistics that matter, that DoT also produced in the late 70s when they "disproved" Unsafe at any Speed, was the significant difference in fatalities and serious injuries in vehicles following the implementation of seat belts, padded dashboards, and collapsible steering wheels. When looking at the same kind of accidents when comparing a car from 1963, vs a car from 1973, fatalities and serious injuries plummeted. Also, as automakers, thanks to the book, engineered significant changes in suspension and balance, accidents per driving mile saw a decrease. It's also worth noting that this video inaccurately suggests Nader was talking about building wide suburban roadways. A cursory look through his testimony and through his book suggested that he believed the engineering should have taken place through the vehicle, not the roadway.

[@thomashart3487]

@@DCLocal84 You seem to know a lot about this. I am looking to cite some research, (not academically , but in a design proposal) that says what this video is saying. Do you know of a book or researcher I can quote when I saw that a wide open street is not the best choice in the design I’m proposing? Thanks.

[@DCLocal84]

@@thomashart3487 a lot of the best research I've read through has come out of major universities. Ones you expect, like Harvard. And maybe a few you wouldn't, like Arizona State. I'm not sure that I know a singular source that you should cite. However, I do think a very good source would be Jeff Speck. He wrote walkable city and Suburban Nation. His understanding is a bit less safety oriented, and more pedestrian oriented from an economics point of view. Lastly, there is some really great research that has come directly out of the NTSB and DoT as a whole. I hope this was helpful in some manner.

[@fcsuper]

Both of the opening examples are dangerous since neither have sidewalks.

[@karakas9905]

Then it’s not the road but the drivers. Maybe the solution would be harder to get driver’s license.

[@joshuahuston2466]

Roads are that wide typically for a combination of 2 factors: 1)Adequate room for all wet and dry utilities to be trenched in the street in a public right of way or dedicated tract. This means we don't have to dig up your house to replace the storm drain for the subdivision. 2) emergency vechicle turning movements. I want ems to get to my house even if owners have friends over parking in the street in front of their house. So the issue here is human error, decision making and distractions. The design us engineers provide is correct and even has factors of safety built in. In my designed subdivisions I add traffic calming devices every 300-600' of straight sections to force drivers to brake and navigate these features at lower speeds. 10+ years and never had a single death in any community I have designed.

[@markreeter6227]

Joshua Huston - Retired CM/planner here - are you a developer or an engineer - just curious as I understand your comment totally?

[@Tom--Ace]

EXACTLY how much less safe is the street above? Because it seems like this point is glossed over

[@acefighterpilot]

Such a shift will merely redistribute the nature of motor vehicle accidents back towards people injuring themselves on trees and structures. Humans feel safe in familiar environments, true, but this movement neglects that most traffic on small streets is repeat traffic - people who see the road twice or more a day and will blow through it as fast as they feel is reasonable based on their experience. Folks who live out in the country can attest to the fact that rural street speed limits are at driver discretion.

[@Adiscretefirm]

I think they expect that the advances in car design will reduce injuries in those type of wrecks, a basic 2500 lb coupe today maintains the passenger compartment, and keeps occupants from flying around inside better than the 2 ton, 4 door land yachts of the 1960's did.

[@soundpreacher]

95% of government regulations are like this: good intentions, but implementation that makes the problem worse. Anybody expect a sudden change because they know the regulations don't work?

[@jacktumba375]

you also failed to mention that the crisp, forgiving design raises property value

[@maknyc1539]

ok

[@gracecampbell4556]

Take a look at Google maps and see the street 3 mile rd hook up to Bay Rd. Just south of the I75 exit in Michigan. Literally less than a mile from my house, and I feel like I am lucky for not getting in an accident because the entrance to the McDonalds, as well as its exit, cause a lot of confusion about where to be on the road and when to leave since it isnt aligned well at all.

[@Monsuco]

I'm not so sure I like a design philosophy that says that the way we improve street design is to make driving more stressful for motorists. One concern I do have with the narrow roads with all the trees is that they tend to let the trees grow in a way that obscures stop signs and street signage.

[@WeepingAngels91]

Reminds me of “Tullock’s Spike” The name "Tullock's spike" refers to a thought experiment in which Tullock suggested that if governments were serious about making motorists drive more safely, they should mandate that a sharp spike be installed in the center of each car's steering wheel, to increase the probability that an accident would be fatal to the driver. Tullock's idea was that the normal process of risk compensation would then lead to safer driving by the affected drivers.

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

I . . . can't really say I agree with something this extreme. Interestingly, though, this does remind me of something my dad says about head injuries in football -- that if they took the faceguard off, the players would do a much better job of protecting their heads without a huge increase to their risk of serious injury or death.

[@juliahenriques210]

@@eyesofthecervino3366 ... Which is exactly how it works in rugby.

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

@@juliahenriques210 Does it work?!?

[@kressckerl]

0:06 that's not a meme, it's just a picture with text superimposed

[@JamesSimpsonOnGoogle]

instead of seatbelts, cars should have a giant spike that impales the driver if they impact an object such as another car or lamp post - this would create the safest driving ever seen on earth ;-) (said mostly tongue-in-cheek ... mostly)

[@steele.harter]

This lady talks slow and pauses. I couldn't help but notice

[@Anonymous-pm7jf]

Good for you.

[@lucasoliveira475]

Engineer: *makes streets wider* Driver: *goes faster* Engineer: NO, IT CAN'T BE

[@polyacov_yury]

As a programmer in UI/UX - this is also what happened in my field. And I have no clue as to what we are going to do with it.

[@mamafaker50]

What is the name of the second street? I would like to look it up, it looks asthetically pleasing!

[@samuvisser]

mamafaker50 it was the street with fewer accidents, because it wasn't as 'safe'. If everyone would be perfect and hold to the speed limit, the first street would actually be safer :)

[@mamafaker50]

@@samuvisser i should have asked the question like this, what is the name of the second street in the example? It looks asthetically pleasing.

[@Seethenhagen]

The second one is safer, because it forces drivers to be more aware passively. It also has the benefit of using dirt as runoff material rather than asphalt, which in combination with ditches pretty much keeps the car from flying off the road way in normal circumstances.

[@TheLuizSouza]

Jesus Christ, guys, he's just asking what the street is called. He's seen the video, he knows it's safer.

[@marinus86]

In the second street drivers have to pay more attention and feel less safe, which causes them to drive more safely. It is the safer street design.

[@fnordist]

With roundabouts at each intersection, you have to reduce the speed, and can increase safety with little effort.

[@g6qwerty]

But I can take round about at or above the speed limit easy.

[@raypitts4880]

when a driver feels safe they will drive faster till they feel unsafe then they slow to a safe speed for the surroundings likewise in a congested street one slows down to be safe and in control. road and street environment is the clue

[@tty23]

Everytime I drive onomg flat roads like the ones pictured, the posted speedlimit, even if it's nearing highway speeds feel like a snail pace. So I completely agree with this analysis, I think it's not really about feeling safe, but the perception of time/pace, but also you're usually more aware that you have to look out and pay closer attention to things on other streets.

[@Globerson]

It is definitely more about the lack of education in Driver’s Ed and how everyone passes. But this is a good secondary

[@GeneralNickles]

I wouldn't even call this tertiary. Much less secondary. This stuff is so inconsequential it's utterly hilarious. Idiots that don't know how to drive are the cause of literally 100% of all traffic accidents. Not a single crash in history can't be attributed to someone doing something they shouldn't have been doing. Even when the actual fault of the crash was something like hydroplaning, and the driver didn't have control of the vehicle, it's still the driver's fault, because they shouldn't have been driving that fast on wet roads. And ice is entirely the same concept, but worse. You shouldn't be driving on ice AT ALL, but people do, and that causes crashes. Road design, particularly the debate between the two designs in this video, is completely irrelevant when people refuse to be responsible drivers regardless of the conditions.

[@keithlowe1982]

3:50 "...how drivers adjust thinking to 'forgiving' environment ..." Not to mention, today's cars are more 'forgiving' of drivers 'mistakes'. Sometimes, it seams they're making cars smarter than the people who drive them. "... I've got traction control, ... ABS, ... passive cruise control,... etc,... etc. Or, if something does happen,... 16 airbags !! " : : Better make that 17... You're forgetting the one between your ears!

[@moskit1970]

why do American roads not have pavements / Sidewalks?

[@jacobchaney]

They do?

[@lordunhold5381]

@@jacobchaney very often they dont

[@artended]

Us roads is how you live - large and loud, taking as much space as you can. Safety is a justification

[@gearandalthefirst7027]

As an American, that's a fair point. (Although I am trying to leave this shithole)

[@UpChuck276]

@@gearandalthefirst7027 Good get lost you brat

[@SodomySnake]

To all you Europeans in the comments: We have these things called subdivisons here, where a developer buys a big tract of land, puts in streets and utilities and builds a bunch of houses. These often won't have sidewalks. This is not the same thing as a regular urban residential area, which usually do have sidewalks.

[@JamesPetts]

Seriously - no reference to any quantitative data supporting the claims made?

[@jig6894]

This video is just an opinion trying to claim it is a fact. It is always the drivers fault, never the pedestrian or the bicyclists fault.

[@KushMax]

That PAVED the way for a flawed approach to STREET design. Good one.

[@kerricklogan3801]

It wouldnt work. The problem isnt the psychological aspect of road design, it's the carelessness aspect of people. Making things smaller will just cause problems and commute issues at this point. I think it's too late to go back

[@genli5603]

Meh. Narrowness only slows you when you’re accustomed to wideness. It’s the COMPARATIVE sense of uncertainty, not absolute.