A Game of Time: Creating Shadow of Destiny/Memories

[@thegamingmuse]

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[@JabamiLain]

10:47 how do you pronounce that ? I want to research about that game.

[@thegamingmuse]

Otorigisou or Otorigiso is the name. :D

[@JabamiLain]

@@thegamingmuse thanks !

[@yehuda8589]

Man I love this game. At first I mostly only stuck with it because of how laughably bad I thought the story was (alongside the fact that this game's time travel mechanics are super cool) but then the last hour or so of the game somehow made everything come together in a way that was way more clever and brilliant than it had any right to be.

[@bernardorodrigues7048]

IKR!

[@kellyleakey2962]

Loved this game growing up

[@JustSomeGuyWithaFaceMask]

Woah I did not expect to see a video about Shadow of Destiny in 2022. This is one of my favorite PSP game! I remember my friends and I worked on getting all the endings without any guides as access to the internet was still limited and very expensive back then. Truly a hidden gem.

[@hicknopunk]

It had a psp port?

[@432hzbeauty5]

@@hicknopunk yes

[@ahsan.v8]

I played it on PSP too back in the days and now recently I play it on my smartphone with a PSP simulator.

[@liliiumdoll]

@@ahsan.v8 me too i play it on a simulator named ppsspp aka Playstation Portable but on phone

[@pierogracis5614]

I remember playing Shadow of Memories at the age of 10, and beying completely flabbergasted by its graphics, themes, narrative and mechanics. The PS2 era was really a magical time. To this day, I never managed to go back to it and see all the endings and the extras, but I still consider it one of the most unique and enthralling pieces of media I ever experienced. Props to Junko Kawano and her team for creating this wonderful anomaly of a game, and to you for diving so deep into its story. I really enjoyed the whole analysis! :)

[@residentevilclone]

I didn’t love Shadow of Destiny, but I did develop a strange soft spot for it. It’s one of a very small handful of times that a GameStop employee made a spot on recommendation. I had played and adored Echo Night on PS1 and was looking for something similar. A very very niche “genre” and not many games I’d say fit. But Shadow of Destiny nails that feel.

[@gehrmanfirsthunter8646]

Well, you fucking did it again. I'm getting misty eyed about a game I've never played.

[@waynepayne864]

the research that went into this is crazy. also raid shadow legends lets go

[@techno-shaman8022]

WOW JUST WOW , omg where do i begin such a deep in depth respectful and very thought provoking intelligent and concise explanation of how shadow of memory's / destiny came about .. bravo bravo encore ..... im just blown away well done ... im speechless ... uve earnt a sub that you have well deserved .. and it is a brilliant game and concept i havent found a game that touched me so deep on many levels as this 1 has, i played it on the ps2 first and psp and i never forgot it , then it came out on pc and i had 2 get it , there was some problems getting the pc version working from the original disc on modern pc`s but there is a work around so it can work on win 7 8 10 and 11 perfectly with no probs

[@IchirinNoChou]

I rarely comment on videos, but thank you muse for covering such niche titles, especially games that are also very dear to me. Shadow of Destiny/Memories was an incredible experience back when I was a teenager, with its twists and turns, but struggled to share my love for the game with others. Learning so much about its development history makes me appreciate it even more. I'm working on a comic at the moment with very similar themes, and I hope one day I can inspire others as much as games like this inspired me!

[@deeRay7292]

Thank you for this documentary. I have subscribed

[@migovas1483]

42:55 "becomes the shadows of memories...". * proceeds to take a sip of tea to celebrate* .. Love this little details 😀

[@dimhobbyist5515]

Thank you for having a full video about the development of the is game and about the creator. Deeply, I’ve loved this game since a kid and alchemy just always seems to weave it’s way back into my life. As of write now I’m doing some finishing touches on a Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood Abridged, and often times I come back to this game.

[@kaargen]

Fantastic video! I loved Shadow of Destiny and then quite enjoyed Time Hollow after discovering they had the same mastermind.

[@StrawberryShorty]

That wording. : D

[@yehuda8589]

This was a great video! I never knew just how much passion there was put into this game. Junko Kuwano is awesome. On the topic of female auteurs in gaming who don't get nearly as much respect as they deserve, I'd recommend checking out the Another Code and Hotel Dusk series since they were both written and designed by Rika Suzuki who I honestly consider the best writer in gaming. Both series do an amazing job of offering up these incredibly mundane situations that are way more interesting and exciting than what you'd expect from a game that can literally be summarized as "A 30-something year old man badgers his neighbors in the apartment building he lives in," they're all just incredible games with incredible stories, incredible aesthetics, and incredible music. Also iirc I'm pretty sure she was one of the first pioneers of adventure games in Japan, writing and designing them around the time when Portopia Serial Murder Case was released/developed, though tbh I still haven't gotten around to checking out the games she made around that time, currently I've only played the amazing games she made at Cing.

[@thegamingmuse]

Thanks for sharing! I'd heard of the games but never knew they were written/designed by a female dev. She's been added to my list to check out, so perhaps sometime you'll see a video on the topic. :D

[@bernardorodrigues7048]

THOSE GAMES ARE MASTERPIECES I love them so much, I played another code, hotel dusk and time hollow when I was younger and I loved them

[@InoueMagi]

Omg my favorite nds games uwu nice nice

[@scullyy]

It's interesting that she wanted the town to have more people in it. Makes perfect sense of course, but I loved that eerie feel of the empty streets. One thing I've learned after watching a lot of these mini game documentaries is that many of the things I love about older games was either done out of necessity or even accidentally.

[@pierogracis5614]

Yeah, the half-empty town and eerie music really did it for me. It wouldn't have been the same with a lot of npcs hanging around. :)

[@Housesider]

Congrats on the sponsorship! Well earned. I remember seeing Shadow of Destiny in gaming mags a lot back in 2000/2001 but never actually picked it up for some reason. It did look interesting.

[@perezkoala]

This is my favorite game of all time. It's time traveling story is fascinating and I can only wonder what would have happened if they have had more time.

[@HyperDeathRee]

I adore your in depth coverages of these absolute classics! It's kept me company while painting today, I look forward to watching more! 🙌

[@sh1yo7]

No waaay they were in my tiny hometown along the romantic road at 16:33 it's the city hall :')

[@midnightotherworld8056]

Totally legally acquiring the PSP version right now, will play it and then come back to learn about it, but one always knows that your video about it will be good

[@thegamingmuse]

I appreciate the legality of your acquiring it. I imagine you invented a time machine and went back and bought it at gamestop in 2009.

[@RedSpade37]

@@thegamingmuse Can confirm! Just finished the flux capacitor 3 hours from later!

[@hicknopunk]

Isn't it a ps2 game? My copy is.

[@VelvetTeacake]

@@hicknopunk They released it on Ps2 and PC and rereleased an updated version on psp a few years later.

[@hicknopunk]

@@VelvetTeacake oh wow, I need to get a copy then. I loved this game.

[@svipulvalke9913]

Your videos have been an absolutely pleasure to watch, professional documentaries like this about the history of iconic games like this are so important, I'm glad someone's doing them. Shadow of Memories was one of my fav games for a time, I absolutely hyperfocussed on it, started a short-lived livejournal roleplay game too. Very beloved, especially Eik's hilarious voice acting. I'm also part way through your Project Zero doco, another lot of my favourite games ever. Please keep 'em coming

[@NashVonWicked]

Great video! This game was so dope, a bit flawed but I literally bought it with my ps2 and man it has stuck with me all these years

[@Tomorrowomari]

Your researching abilities are on another level. Wow

[@suzannetol]

This was a great and we'll research video. I didn't think I could learn more about this game, but here I am, enjoying insight to the game I never knew before I love Shadow of Memories. I adore the characters and the town. To this day I still play my PS version on a regular basis. There has never been a game like it, and it holds a special place in my heart.

[@ChinoMercado]

if this game came out now. it would blow up bigger than the way it did, they need a remake for this

[@LadyBern]

I remain impressed at the ways they handled the time traveling. I don't want to say how because whenever you finally stream it I don't want to spoil that route but still it's being able to do them that I admire. It's doesn't feel fully linear and your choices do matter. Already said that that was my main disappointment with BioShock infinite in the one game where your choices should matter the most they don't. It's like the Mass effect dialog option going from yes, passive yes, no, and rude no it's "yes, passive yes, rude yes, joking yes."

[@muhammadshafeeqbinishak1509]

What can i say, this is art. This is good enough to be a netflix series. Albeit more like a documentary / journalism piece.

[@drizztx1985]

this game will forever in my eyes be a masterpiece, im so happy you did a video to do it justice. such a great game ^^

[@NataliasSpace]

Interesting what a video, like an actual documentary! Amazing 👏🏻

[@thaddeuskent8185]

Dude. This was awesome. Thank you.

[@JoseHerrerawl]

I never heard of this game and the PS2 era was my favorite. I’ll have to check it out. Also really enjoy how in depth you get into the development history. Thank you.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

This game is such an underrated classic!

[@JabamiLain]

It's such a classic, that it inspired me to write a "Noddy" fanfic in which Homunculus is the main villain. It has images and everything. Yes, I'm aware I should be worried about my mental health. Its inspiration stems from the time manipulation and artificial life form aspects. They're important for an overarching story I'm slowly building towards to (slowly as in "MCU" slow, which, by the way, is a good thing).

[@NashVonWicked]

Also I'd really like to see a reboot , a new one or anything along the lines of. I still remember the first time I played this game and it gives you the choice to pull out the lighter or the cell phone and both cutscenes are stupid funny afterwards

[@hicknopunk]

This was one of my favorite ps2 titles. "Fire from his hand!" 😁

[@BadHumans]

Because of your video, I am going to buy and play Shadow of Memories. I wasn't aware of Kawano work outside of Suikoden. Any chance you can link the twitter thread to where the Developer commented on Konami's treatment of Kuwano. I am curious but understand the reason for not publicly sharing it.

[@thegamingmuse]

The thread was in Japanese and from a former Konami developer, I don't want to advertise it just to be safe.

[@thegamingmuse]

honestly i've dug into so many twitter threads i can't remember, i think it wasn't to her, it was to a news outlet though

[@Kyoukichi]

Loved this game so much, beaten it many times.

[@kbop]

I think you opened and closed the book on the backstory of this game. Amazing work and dedication

[@hortonome]

I really enjoyed this video because Shadow of Memories is one of my very favourite video games

[@JabamiLain]

(Inhales) I love this game ! Very creative, yet with a certain simplicity to it. I still can't bring myself to end the Homunculus's existance for a number of reasons. I even made a fan ending mixing some of the endings that ends with Margaret and Hugo return to their time, Dana stays, Homunculus stays alive, Eike remembers his past, sending Dana away due to the shock of the moment, and then being ran over by a car, with his last thoughts being how he was a slave of everyone's fates, ensuring their happy ending... except his own.

[@lolasaysyes]

I really enjoy learning about older games from your videos, and this is definitely on my list to follow up on! The amount of research you did on the staff is amazing. The development process and learning about the people behind the scenes is my favorite part! Just a note- Junko’s name is pronounced June-ko, and Suikoden is pronounced Su-ee-ko-den. These names are repeated a lot throughout the video so they kind of stick out.

[@Phoenix_SMT]

While the game is not exactly amazing, I still love it for what it is and how bold the story can be, and you can see how much passion went into it. I love this game a lot, flaws and all, and it's a shame we don't see these experimental games as frequently nowadays.

[@voidpunch1324]

I have fond memories of Shadow of Destiny/memories, such a unique little game. Ms. Kawano is amazing. Hopefully we see a remaster or something soon.

[@hicknopunk]

This was my favorite early ps2 title. It really showed what the console could do.

[@Koniving]

The art at 43:26 would have fit a much darker version of the game...

[@Beeyo176]

I've said it before, but the way Muse says "drawing" is adorable

[@thegamingmuse]

H - How.... how do i say it.. ?

[@meimei8718]

I loved this game. I played it more than any game I ever owned.

[@jakoov81]

This was my first PS2 game. Oh, the memories.

[@shemha3183]

Great video

[@thegamingmuse]

Thank you!

[@azura-moonstar]

i got this game in a cheap bin at a game stop. really a hidden gem.

[@theMoporter]

This is inaccessible for me right nos as I have a neurological disorder that effects my hearing and there aren't subtitles, but I'm really interested for when I can because I know so little about this game! I'll let it play on my tablet anyway for the algo though

[@thegamingmuse]

Sorry about that! the subtitles are generally uploaded right away, but I'm in the middle of switching computers and I accidentally left the script on my other pc... XD I will be booting it up and moving that stuff ASAP and there should be subtitles within a day.

[@theMoporter]

@@thegamingmuse cool! Thanks

[@senorfreeze38]

Omg, she worked on divers dream!?!?! I wish I could thank her.

[@alexevaldez]

I'm just curious on this minor decision on your script. I always loved and admired the research you give on your videos. Why did you use Etrian Odyssey's Japanese name's literal translation "labyrinth of yggdrasil" in the script. It just surprised me as barely anyone mentions that name, as well as calling Yuzo Koshiro as Koshiro Yuzo. XD It just caught me off guard.

[@thegamingmuse]

its likely i found the info in a machine translated interview, and it translated the name, and I didnt recognize it and so assumed it was a JP exclusive. Whoops!

[@ReplicantDeviancy]

Just saying, this game would be an insanely amazing mini-series. It'll never happen, but it would be awesome.

[@VelvetTeacake]

Oh my an hour long deep dive on my favourite game? ( *_*)

[@esanof]

I am surprised to hear that they switched to PS2 to have a "gorgeous looking game". I remember very well reading that the games graphics looked bad and dated (back in 2002 when it was released) but that the story was good - indeed, I bought it because I was looking for games with a good story and didnt care about the graphics (which I nevertheless thought of as quite poor when I played).

[@TearyEyesAnderson]

I played "Shadow of Destany" and beat this game about a month after it was released here in the USA. Shadow of Destiny {PS2} {Beat it April 01 2001, game timeline begins April 08, 2001.} Endings E-, D-, C- B-, B+, A+, EX-, EX+. Back then I recorded all my videogame endings. It appeared on my VHS of "Video Game Endings Tape 5", kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6rUcqSKp9qqoNk Most of the games before that were NES games, by the time this game came out I was still collecting all the N64 games. By this time, I beat about as many N64/64DD games as I had PS2. The story in "Shadow of Destany", reminded me of the 1991 Revival/Remake series "Dark Shadows" from 1991. It only lasted 12 episodes but had a vampire, a ghost child, a witch and time travel. The only continuation we ever got was the Comic book series Book's 1-3, with 9 issues total before the company 'Innovation Comics' went out of business. The story also resembles the 1993, Star Trek: The Next Generation, episode "Tapestry" from Season 6, Episode 15. In which Q brings Picard back to the past to prevent himself from being stabbed in the back. But he also changes time. Nearly a year earlier "The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask" was released which also featured a similar time travel way to prevent the end of the world. Time travel in "Zelda" games started in "The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past" 1991-1992.

[@tonypee3465]

One of my favorite ps2 game! I hope they remake this classic 🙏

[@karlimo4034]

Sick and tired of people asking for remakes... Why don't you ask for sequels instead, or original, new, good franchises?

[@jeromemarquez8202]

So this game from book?

[@soccerandtrack10]

This is weird for the other videos, but it said alot about making video games and history. I did think you made it about the story.

[@harakkka897]

Ah, good memories..

[@liliiumdoll]

I'M STUCK AT CHAPTER 8 😭😭

[@JabamiLain]

9:17 isn't that the goal of every art form ? The reason I try to include psychological and cosmic horror in my stories is exactly because I want to impact people deeply. I refused to play every game between "Until Dawn" and "Quarry", because they did not make me question myself enough. They didn't feel sufficiently grey.

[@ThisJess]

I loved this game!!

[@Mickel311]

I love this game and hated this game Love because there was so many different endings and so many different ways to get there the concept of it was amazing wasn't a big fan of puzzles but never really was good at puzzles anyways though they weren't very hard in this particular game but there was some puzzles that did confound me but again I'm not very good at puzzles but I hated this game because no matter what I did I always got one ending The ending where he kind of switches places with the person who made the philosopher's Stone in the first place The old man one of the past and things the girl that I believe lost her father yeah that's the only ending I ever got and then I could never save that woman in the alley no matter what I did or how I chose to try and change it game wasn't very long either so I mean that's a plus so that you could be able to get and try to get those different endings but again I only ever got one which is why I hated it and I could never save that one girl with the baby in the snow area I forgot where which one it was but it was a snowy area and one of the past and I believe she was stabbed I'm not entirely sure it's been over a decade since I played that game. Lol

[@JabamiLain]

I'm writing a "Noddy" fanfic in which Homunculus is the main villain. It has images and everything. Yes, I'm aware I should be worried about my mental health.

[@StrawberryShorty]

Homunculus has never done anything wrong ever, I'm pretty sure.

[@Angelus_The_Red_Dragon]

​@@StrawberryShortynot by their standards, at least, since they don't understand humanity. I guess "villain" isn't completely the right word, but they do want the Tower from "Little Nightmares" to come alive in their own twisted version of Darwininsm. They want to find others like them.

[@StrawberryShorty]

​@@Angelus_The_Red_DragonFor some reason, I can't see my original reply to you. D :

[@Angelus_The_Red_Dragon]

@@StrawberryShorty you said you doubted Hommunculus classified as a full villain, as they don't go out of their way to destroy lives, merely place them to ensure their own existance, but not necessarily ruining them.

[@StrawberryShorty]

@@Angelus_The_Red_Dragon Thanks. Wonder why I can't see it. I do wonder what Homunculus intends to DO with his existence.

[@randez626]

Could it be there are supposed to be of some Christian influence bc of its original title? The Days of Walpurgis

[@francescobruno-bossio537]

I love your videos- but I cannot abide by mispronunciations! "Wagner" should be pronounced "Vagner" and "Goethe" I always heard as "Ger-te"

[@StrawberryShorty]

It was actually pronounced like Wagner in the PS2 version of the game. XD

[@krisnantoprayogosantoso4033]

Allow me to comment: it's should be pronounced "june-co." instead of "junk-co."

[@lilylaporte8420]

💕

[@cleehmb]

Has anyone noticed that one of the side characters in Shadows of Destiny(older woman on the street )is also in Catherine (old woman sit in the booth at the bar)?

[@akalia_07]

RAID game..... taking over the world.. yikes.

[@hicknopunk]

Her first name is June(like the month)ko. Not Jun-ko. Sue-eekoden... I love your channel, but please learn how to say Japanese vowels.

[@_--Reaper--_]

ummm can you _not_ be weab?