A Journey Into Christian Universalism - Marz

Marz talks about how he came to believe in Christian universalism.
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[@aaronandjessicaowulette1595]

I'm within my first 72 hours of converting to a Christian Universalist. I have completely jumped in and my heart is full of joy. Thank you for your story. It made me smile big time. Jessica

[@artbyrobot1]

nice! You will find most people you discuss this with will want to rip your head off and perhaps condemn you even as a heretic. It's really sad. They will get so angry. But if this is your understanding, unless that changes, you must be loving but bold about it no matter what. God revealed universalism to me directly telling me His plan straight up in direct communication to me.

[@bradvincent2586]

@@artbyrobot1are you serious?? That’s what I’ve been praying for. But it seems so far beyond too good to be true. But it would be necessary for me to be able to know for sure. Thanks for the encouragement to continue seeking 🙏 By the way... Earth is flat. Austin Witsit and Dave weiss are the guys to look up. I apologize in advance but the spell is breaking. Like 50 million people worldwide now know.

[@artbyrobot1]

@@bradvincent2586 you say "are you serious?? " --- yes. I was marveling over the love God revealed to me that he had for his enemies, people living lives in rebellion against Him. He loves them more than I love anyone combined was revealed to me. I never even considered or heard of universalism at this time mind you. I merely was pondering the amazing love God has for the lost and I prayed to God silently asking him how is it that he can bear losing these ones he loves to this degree for a period that never ends. That was what I believed the Bible taught and was raised with that doctrine mind you. Never questioned it, never doubted it, didn't fully understand it but heard all the explanations men give for it. Always cringed telling people about it slightly because they said it's so mean and I would say well don't blame me, that is just what the Bible teaches, don't shoot the messenger so to speak. So anyways, I expected God to explain to me that his love would just fade for them over time and that he would eventually just forget about them or he is able to compartmentalize the pain he will feel for their loss and just not think on it or something like that. I expected him to defend his decision on never ending torment for them and help me to understand how he bears it or will bear it emotionally for all the ages to come. The answer I got literally came out of NOWHERE and my jaw dropped and eyes grew wide in total shock and amazement. He quoted to me a simple response that at first I did not even see how it answered my question. My question was how do you bear this sad fate of so many you love from an emotional perspective, how can you take this level of pain this will cause you basically. His answer was this: Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. --- so I'm like wait... you know we are taught yeah, they will do so, but they won't mean it or yeah, they will do so, but it won't change a thing and will be done under compulsion or yeah, they will do so, but shortly afterward, they will still be cast into the Lake of Fire neverendingly so it will be a mere bowing and confessing of defeat before entering the sentence. But in the context of this question I asked, it necessarily had to take on a entirely different meaning than these typical explanations would give. For after all, if they bow and confess but that changes their fate zero, then the question I asked still remains, how will you bear the emotional pain their fate will cause you Lord? Nothing about a empty bowing and confessing would erase the pain of seeing them tormented neverendingly and this pain would, for the heart of God himself, be unimaginable torment for God himself that would never end for God. He would in his own heart be as tormented as they are unless he had some solution like to will himself to stop caring or something like that. But he was answering my question directly. He was telling me I was reading that verse wrong up till now. That verse is telling me how God will survive the pain of their loss: They will not stay lost neverendingly. Instead, they will bow and confess Jesus is Lord and be saved in their genuine worship and surrender to Christ as their Lord. This verse describes their conversion to Christ, not merely a last act before their final punishment ensues, but the act instead that marks the end of their suffering incurred during that punishment. And so that is how God will cope with the sadness of their suffering: He will endure their suffering full of love for them, knowing that their suffering is a means to an end that is glorious reconciliation of all things unto Himself. That was the revelation. I then got hundreds of confirmations and studied scriptures to see if this new teaching is true and found it to be aboundingly true all over scripture and have been studying this truth ever since and can defend it against anybody. Also, after being wholly convinced of this truth, I genuinely thought I was the only person on earth or in history to ever know this truth. I assumed I was the first person God ever revealed it to because nobody had EVER mentioned anything like it to me in my whole life (34 years since my first conversion to Christ and not a peep about it). So I was shocked to find a rich church history of people who also had this revelation and wrote books about it and taught it going all the way back to the founding fathers of the church.

[@anthonybuonsanto437]

How do you all Felowship? , me, and some like-minded brothers have zoom meetings twice a week.

[@Ken-do4oy]

So wonderful to hear that. Only God can do that.

[@justin10292000]

Calvinism = God is cruel. Arminianism = God is weak. Trinitarian Restorationism/Christian Universalism = God is Love.

[@clearlyweird]

Just like He said. Let’s believe Him 🙏🏼🤍🥰🥰

[@marcusmuse4787]

His mercy endures forever.

[@coulterkel]

Universalism can’t be true because there’s an unforgivable sin. “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.” Matthew 12:31 NKJV Ignorance is the only way it’s covered. “although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.” 1 Timothy 1:13 NKJV

[@peacecraft3449]

@@coulterkel Something I have pondered a bit on is this and I have come to a conclusion: I dont think anyone would actually willingly blasphemy in their hearts. I mean really think about it, why would anyone?

[@coulterkel]

@@peacecraft3449He wouldn’t say this if it’s not a possibility of something someone can do. Ignorance is a way of it being forgiven. In order to have forgiveness, one has to repent and ask.

[@linkkid185]

Joy resulting from salvation instead of damnation 💚✝️🥰 We love You, Lord Jesus!

[@jasonegeland1446]

Fantastic, Mars! That's one of the most beautiful testimonials I've ever heard!

[@jasonegeland1446]

Sorry, I put the Z in there and then it auto corrected it to S.

[@michaelj.frazee9043]

@@jasonegeland1446 Hey brother, you can actually edit your own comments and change the "s" to a "z" if you want to. Just letting you know incase you weren't aware that you can edit your comments. Peace ✌

[@jasonegeland1446]

Thanks, yeah I can't edit on my phone but can on my laptop.

[@larryfreund5536]

Absolutely beautiful my brother Every good gift and every perfect gift comes from above from the Father of heavenly lights where there is no turning nor shadows

[@TheBiggestJesus]

Wow! Great testimony. Love the OrthoBOX Christian hurdles that God brought you over, Marz. I, too, was drawn into annihilationism for a while. God brings some to the truth of the salvation of all in this life. All will know it in God's time.

[@coulterkel]

Universalism can’t be true because there’s an unforgivable sin. “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.” Matthew 12:31 NKJV Ignorance is the only way it’s covered. “although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.” 1 Timothy 1:13 NKJV

[@TheBiggestJesus]

@@coulterkel continue Matthew 12 through verse 32 and you'll have Jesus' fuller teaching regarding the "unforgivable" sin. Matthew 12:31-32 (CLNT), Therefore I am saying to you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be pardoned men, yet the blasphemy of the spirit shall not be pardoned. 32 And whosoever may be saying a word against the Son of Mankind, it will be pardoned him, yet whoever may be saying aught against the holy spirit, it shall not be pardoned him, neither in this eon nor in that which is impending. *The Cure for the Unforgivable Sin / Jesus, Savior From ALL Sin* kzbin.info/www/bejne/kH-ufXuYpM2gjqs

[@langreeves6419]

Wow! I grew up in Baptist churches. So I was used to pastors yelling and pounding the pulpit while saying "don't take my word on it, READ YOUR BIBLE FOR YOURSELF!" I heard that soooo often. The idea of a pastor refusing to answer questions on scripture is so bizarre. Granted, a Baptist pastor is going to explain scripture in their conservative way, but at least they'll discuss scripture with you.

[@WittgensteinsBeetle]

Whoa - were does one get epic Apocatastasis gear like that?

[@jaykaufman6339]

on his website. I got shirt and hoodie . Love to wear it out and about ( especially to church) and have people ask me what it means. Gives me an opportunity to share.

[@timwilkins2008]

what is his website? I can't locate it

[@LoveUnrelenting]

@@timwilkins2008 www.bobbymarz.com/

[@marcusmuse4787]

“This is good and acceptable in the sight of our God our savior; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Tim. 2:3-6, KJV)

[@diamondlife-gi7hg]

I wish i knew some universalist where i'm at.

[@ttownsupreme2183]

Absolutely LOVE IT MARZ.And we LOVE YOU!!!

[@IrishEddie317]

Every Pascha, millions of Orthodox Christians sing the beautiful Paschal hymn "Christ is Risen from the Dead" "Christ is risen from the dead. By death he vanquished death. And to those in the tombs, He granted life." And they don't believe a word of it, for if you float by them the idea that Christ really did vanquish death and there is no hell (which is a state if eternal death) they will lose their minds!

[@williamoarlock8634]

Except that's a blatant lie. Christ 'conquers death' in fiction and the dead are dead.

[@williamoarlock8634]

@@linjicakonikon7666 Because death is clearly NOT vanquished.

[@eekay5710]

​@@williamoarlock8634 Absolutely agree on how you see scripture! If Jesus conquered death while He was in the flesh, why do we still see death 🤔 People die due to a lack of knowledge. Wé should be the generation who will be alive untill His final manifestation takes place as 1Thes 4:13-18 have it, and this will be from óut His holy temple which are our bodies! Jesus has come to bring us life. Not only spiritual life, but life also in our bodies! He is not in the dead business. He is alive and so are we in Christ. 'To one day die' is simply a wrong belief. We indeéd needs to be awaken into truth, into Christ !

[@williamoarlock8634]

@@eekay5710 Mindless ranting.

[@justchilling704]

@@williamoarlock8634It’s not a lie, you just haven’t accepted it as true.

[@tommywarren4633]

You're right about what you're saying this note here is not just for you but it's in general preachers need to quit calling themselves pastors because the word pastor in the Bible refers to the eldership it means Shepherd the elders are the shepherds of the flock not the preacher. Also preachers need to stop calling themselves Reverend because the Bible says Reverend and holy is his name where do men get the audacity to wear a title that is reserved for God go to your Bible and see what Jesus said about exalted titles he said be you not call Rabbi and call no man your father Jesus denounced exalted titles a man is not a reverend

[@dalecampbell5617]

Awesome. Glad you know the truth. Peace

[@janosterud4188]

Excellent Brother 😊👍👍💗

[@bradharford6052]

Wonderful story. I like the way you communicate.

[@jamesbullard4897]

I was raised in a Baptist church from birth however at 14 I chose to be free from it after a church member was gossiped about me making obscene phone calls I approached her privately at her home denying the charges she just never let it go say it sure sounded like you I said if this is what Christians do I’m done

[@paulpaulsen7245]

I have experienced a strange fact - Rom 14:11 many folks understand as threat, while in reality it is rather, as MARZ said, a promise (it rather followed of the essence of God - γέγραπται γάρ Ζῶ ἐγώ, λέγει Κύριος = for it is written AS I LIVE, tells the Lord)! And folks - especially religious folks - seems always to be inclined to anger, for what reason ever, see the "homo homini lupus est" article at Wikipedia... Dear brother Marz, hat´s off for your brilliant channel! Greetings, thank you & kind regards from Germany! And love to you too, Love Unrelenting!

[@robgoulet2272]

To the brother sharing his testimony at minute 2:28 , the real trick of the beast is the potential of a bitter feud. What do you believe about unconditional eternal security of a believer as well as the Calvinism perspectives of soteriology?

[@glencullen9252]

Hi Marz do you have your own KZbin channel?

[@alexandrulazar4347]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIjddWebj5qnjtU

[@coulterkel]

Universalism can’t be true because there’s an unforgivable sin. “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.” Matthew 12:31 NKJV Ignorance is the only way it’s covered. “although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.” 1 Timothy 1:13 NKJV

[@tommywarren2178]

Preachers are not pastors the word Pastor refers to Shepherd the eldership the presbyter the bishop preachers are not pastors preachers are ministers evangelist preacher but the word Pastor refers to the eldership

[@jamesbullard4897]

I’d listen to more of your videos at the end come on nerve wracking music ugh

[@Chewie576]

Whoever's name is not written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. Not everyone is entering Heaven. Narrow is the path of Righteousness and wide is the path of destruction.

[@kevinrombouts3027]

The lake of fire is a purifying fire. God's love is a refiners fire. That means the lake of fire ends upon an individual's completed refining. It is not permanent.

[@eekay5710]

Re Chewie.. Although the book of Revelation is the last book in the Bible, it remain a book that was written to the people of Israel only, not us living after the cross. All of that has been brought into fulfilling at the cross of Jesus. IT IS FINISHED! Therefore your belief in "the Book of life" is old test and its based on fear and my contribution to be saved. We are in Christ. How more safe can one be :)

[@eekay5710]

Re Chewie.. Nowhere in the NT starting with Acts 2, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit does it say we are going to heaven. This "entering into heaven" is not to enter a geographical place one day, but a state of mind (like hell). Heaven has come to us.

[@eekay5710]

Re Chewie.. The lake of fire. Rev 2:11 Now, listen up with your inner ears. Hear with understanding what the Spirit is saying to the ekklesia: the individual who 1continues to see their triumph mirrored in mine [their co-seatedness with me in the throne room], is 2most certainly not threatened by any 3contradiction to their true likeness; there is nothing to fear 4in the second death. (The word 1nikoon, is the Present Active Participle Nominative, form of the verb nikao, to emphasize a continual or habitual victory. Then the double negative, οὐ μὴ ἀδικηθη 2ou mey, plus the verb, 3adikeō, meaning unrighteous; out of sync with likeness - with a, negative and dikeo, two parties sharing likeness - adikeythey is the Aorist Subjunctive form, meaning a definite outcome that will happen as a result of another stated action. The Preposition, ἐκ [4ek, mostly pointing to source, but here used for the agent or instrument] τοῦ θανάτου τοῦ δευτέρου the second death. So, in context of the previous verse [Rev 2:10], "You have no need to fear anything you might suffer at any time", the Second Death is not to distract from the once and for all death that Jesus died, but to endorse it. In the lake of fire, Death and Hades are eradicated from memory. The first death is the once and for all death that Jesus died, representing the global death of humankind. Jesus' death took mankind's death in Adam, out of the equation. The idea of the Second Death has to do with the fact that the revelation of the full extent of everyone’s inclusion in the death of Jesus, has not yet dawned on some - so it will take a crisis, even their own death, to immediately engage them with the symbolic cleansing [from their doubts, ignorance and unbelief] represented by the lake of burning sulphur, purifying like in a furnace, separating the gold from the dross-mindsets. This is the ultimate awakening to the success of the cross - the realizing that even Death and Hades itself died in Jesus' death. It is indeed the death of Death. Rev 20:14. See my notes on The Lake of Fire and the Second Death at the end of Rev 19. But here, specifically in Smyrna's case, the intensity of their persecution is neutralized by their realizing that gold is never threatened by fire. Remember the One talking is he who said, I am the Living One; I died and now, see, here I am alive unto the ages of the ages and I have the keys wherewith I have disengaged the gates of Hades and death. Rev 1:18. Also Heb 9:25-28. He thus broke the spell of the supposed claim of judgment and death over the Adamic race. The significance of the implications of Jesus’ death cannot be exaggerated. It reaches into the entire past, present and future of human history. As representative of the human race, Jesus Christ fulfilled mankind’s destiny with death and judgment. [1 Cor 15:3-5, Rom 4:25, Acts 17:30, 31.] Note: Jesus did not come to condemn the world. The Father judges no one for he has handed over all judgment to the Son, who judged the world in righteousness.) The Mirror Study Bible (app.mirrorword.net)

[@eekay5710]

Re Chewie.. Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (The Second Death is not to distract from the 'once and for all death' that Jesus died, but to endorse it. In the lake of fire, Death and Hades are eradicated from memory. The first death is the 'once and for all death' that Jesus died, representing the global death of humankind. Jesus' death took mankind's death in Adam out of the equation. [Heb 9:27,28; 2Cor 5:14-17]. The idea of the Second Death has to do with the fact that the revelation of everyone’s inclusion in the death of Jesus, has not yet dawned on some - so it will take a crisis, often, their own death, to immediately engage them with the symbolic cleansing [from their unbelief] represented by the lake of burning sulphur, purifying like in a furnace, separating the gold from the dross-mindsets. Rev 2:11 + Rev 20:6 The Mirror Study Bible.

[@artbyrobot1]

wow that pastor was a total fool WOW. How horrendous. You were being a BEREAN and any pastor worth his title would be praising God for you being a humble BEREAN like that. That is the very best type of flock member a pastor could ever wish for and can even bring sharpening to the pastor!

[@stuartkenny3050]

Why would a Muslim have a problem with bowing their knee and calling Jesus (pbuh) Lord? Jesus is the greatest prophet--why wouldn't they honor him? Why couldn't a Hindu call Jesus Lord? Jesus is a great avatar. Or a Buddhist? Jesus is a great bodhisattva. Or an athiest? Jesus is a great humanitarian. "Lord" just means "great man." "Every knee shall bow" doesn't mean "Everyone will become a Christian." It just means that everyone will acknowledge that Jesus was a great man and great teacher. You don't have to believe anything about Jesus for God to save you. God saves you because you're His child and He loves you. Universal salvation doesn't depend on Jesus--it depends on God's universal love.

[@WMA31780]

I think he was the World Teacher. You're totally right. Om Sri Jesu Bhagavate Namaha

[@linjicakonikon7666]

There is One God and One Mediator between God and Man: Christ Jesus.

[@eekay5710]

Jesus is God. PERIOD. He became man on our behalf. He became sin on our behalf. -The great exchange as someone once said. He offered His Godliness in order to restore mankind’s innocence. You cannot compare Him to Buddha or anyone else, as He is God.

[@stuartkenny3050]

@@eekay5710 That's certainly what some fallible human beings wrote in their documents many decades later. You might want to look at "How Jesus Became God" by Bart Ehrman.

[@eekay5710]

@@stuartkenny3050 No my friend, it's no 'fallible human beings' who wrote the Bible. I mean just read Ezekiel & Revelation and see if any human could have wrote them. Simple not possible. The entire word was inspired by the Holy Spirit who wrote all those letters by the hand of 'fallible human beings'. And some of these 'fallible human beings' wrote.. 'That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life - the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us - that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. Bible means 'a collection of letters'. Of course it always remain our choice to believe or not, as pure Love never forces in any way.

[@robgoulet2272]

To the brother sharing his testimony at minute 2:28 , the real trick of the beast is the potential of a bitter feud. What do you believe about unconditional eternal security of a believer as well as the Calvinism perspectives of soteriology?