A knitting episode (12): some Nordic knits | 3 FO's + 2 WIP's (incl. Blouse No. 1 & Nola Cardigan)

[@kpags6681]

Helle, thank you so much for your podcast! I find your knitting beautiful….all of it…the neutrals and the brights. It is also so wonderful to listen to your wisdom. Thank you for bringing up the topic of listeners who feel free to criticize in comments on podcasts. I am so grateful to everyone who is brave enough to put themselves “out there” on KZbin to share what they love. Knitting for me is both a creative and spiritual/meditative craft. Watching podcasts like yours gives everyone a chance to experience another person’s personal world, creativity and culture; something to celebrate and bring us all closer together. ❤❤

[@danishmusings]

🙏🏻🫶

[@katherinelancaster600]

Just popping up to say I love your comment - so thoughtful, and beautifully-expressed. I share your opinion: we are so lucky to have the creative and life insights from good people who take the time to share their knowledge and talent!

[@elainebarrette2204]

Hi Helle, could do a video on “show how u knit”

[@sarahlivesay7041]

You are a light in the knitting community. Thank you for sharing your knits and your wisdom.

[@danishmusings]

🙏🏻🤍😘

[@MikiCrespo]

I just love your podcast 🩶🤍. The style, the colors 🩶🤍❄️💙🧥. The background is absolutely amazing ❄️🏔️is like a fairytale ❄️

[@DillyDahlia]

Well said, I agree completely! I’m so glad I found Helle’s channel.

[@vindeljay]

The snow is so beautiful.. Love those accessories, so perfect. Thanks for explaining about the difficulties in reading patterns in other languages, it's so logical.

[@nata6025]

I love the Danish quote at the start! It's so true, how we interact with people really affects their mood and sets their tone for the day after you leave them

[@kathrynbarry9416]

Another amazing episode. I had to laugh, I’m Australian and I mainly knit Danish patterns! I just finished the Super Selene by Anne Ventzel, it’s perfect I love it ❤ We recently visited Copenhagen and I dragged my poor husband around in search of yarn stores of which there are many. We walked into a small coffee shop and the young woman there was knitting a Sophie scarf, there was an instant connection and she recommended a new yarn store. How I love knitters

[@carolpepper2424]

Beautiful episode - thank you for talking about your channel culture, focused on inclusion, learning, love and kindness.

[@sophiep.7781]

I just came across your channel and I loved the episode! The combination of educated/philisophical content and knitting appeals to me.

[@Mindfulnessification]

I so love all of your recommendations. Gavor Maté is amazing. You are so right, he is so wise and relaxing and is changing the world with his intelligen conversations. ♥️🐑♥️🐑♥️

[@Alaskaventureswithbrodie]

I love when you go outside the norm and knit color. I’m surprised people said anything. 😊

[@maureenklettl4865]

Thank you for modelling your knitwear in different ways to show slightly different looks. I'm horrible at styling my accessories, and your ideas are a great help!

[@dianadarby9108]

I LOVE your podcasts, so inspirational to me. So wish I could have had a teacher like you better yet, you. I could listen to you endlessly. Thank you for the time you so generously share. Sending you good health wishes and blessings for this lovely season. I was raised in snow country and miss the beauty and silence of fresh fallen snow. Thank you,🎄

[@danishmusings]

🙏🏻🤍❄️

[@bearitraeb]

Stop apologizing: I didn’t know any of those things… quite frankly I love when life is included. Makes you more real. Much love and Many blessings

[@margueritecawood8843]

I'd love you to make a short video of you knitting. I'm curious to see other people's knitting styles. I'm a left-hander who learned to knit mirror image to my aunt so very lefthanded. I so enjoy your podcasts and really appreciated your style and especially your colour choices. Thank you for sharing yourself and your knitting journey.

[@margarethastings3332]

A winter wonderland today. So beautiful. Lovely projects and yarns. Thank you for the podcast recommendations. You always sound very wise yourself. I always learn something. ☃️❄️💞

[@PamKnitsToo]

You are such an amazing knitter with just the best yarn and color choices. Oh how I wish I lived next door - you’re so talented. The scenery is gorgeous as well as you. Thank you so much for doing this podcast when you’re not feeling your best. Healing blessings to you ❤

[@danishmusings]

😘🫶

[@malikakarimova4119]

wow, how wonderful colours you chose for your projects! Lavender colour fits you very much 👌

[@elaineenstone6834]

A truly beautiful podcast. Love listening to your voice and seeing your beautiful knits. The snow in the background was an added bonus. 🇬🇧

[@danishmusings]

🙏🏻😘❤️

[@vadec5909]

I just love your podcasts. They are so relaxing and pleasing to watch. Your snow looks so lovely, and I didn’t realize you get as much snow as we do in Alberta. I love your sweater you were wearing. The accessories you made were perfect for your weather and look stunning with your coats. The white cardigan with the black flowers, is beautiful. The lavender is just lovely and will so good. I do love the greys to, and will make a grey cowl. Your quotes are very good. I will check out Michael Singer. All your knitting is beautiful you are so experienced. I am finishing up a very simple shirt it the Green Tee by Lone Kjeldsen who I think is Danish. This is my first shirt. A friend of mine went to Finland in June, and brought me back a few skeins of yarn( different colors). I will make hats, for charity. Hats I can make no problem, they are much easier than sweaters.

[@nicolacockett7523]

Thank you for your podcast today, and for sharing both your knits, thoughts and the wonderful snowy scene and the crunch of your boots in the snow. Keep using whatever colour yarn you fancy !!

[@lorrainelambert9001]

Thank you for sharing your wonderful danish quote and your life, we are never too old to learn new things and I believe we learn from our mistakes 😊😊thank you for keeping me company while I crochet a blanket for my great niece 😊😊😊

[@marianfairburn8613]

Well you have really cheered me up on a foggy, rainy day. It looks so beautiful there. I always look forward to seeing all your knits. Very inspirational 😊

[@sharonkennedy8612]

Love the new sweater you are wearing. It’s beautiful. Love all your knits. Hope you feel better. Your property looks beautiful with all the snow.

[@rosellajohnson40]

People are alway asking me what my favorite color is, and I always answer, I don't have one. I just like to work with color and see how they play together. My grandfather was a printer, I'm a guilter and a knitter, and I took several art classes in school. I've also sold AVON for 24 years, so always surrounded by color. Always playing with color. And now that I'm older, I feel really free to be whomever I am on any certain day. You do the same. Life is too shortto live in a box.

[@danishmusings]

Absolutely - and well done for embracing that! 🥰

[@jodydcrawford5470]

As I watch this, here in Australia we are in the midst of a heatwave, I am sweaty and grumpy, and knitting in cotton which is hard on my hands. BUT I have your beautiful voice, and your balcony railings covered in snow, and your aesthetic to help keep feel better. I hope you are feeling better, and I am going to take your wise Danish words to my team at work - we teach babies and kids to swim, and having those beautiful words in mind as we finish our long year will help us all show the tired kids some extra grace over the next week.

[@dinyrohrbach5679]

Hi Helle, so nice to have your inspiring company again! I hope you will have a lovely time in London and warm and hygge christmas days.

[@moiragarner1253]

I could listen to you all day 😊 I would learn from you easily

[@marshawoods2634]

Your comments about making errors remind me. When I became a daily knitter via the internet ~2004, my goal was to learn a new skill/technique with every project. In 15 +/- years of doing that, I tried lots of things and decided I love yarn: variety color, texture. Choosing simple patterns and letting the yarn show off has become my present goal. My F2F knitting friends are the most important reward, and each FO becomes a gift to a knitworthy friend or family member. BTW your setting is so beautiful! xxx

[@xusblasco5563]

Thanks, Helle As always I feel lucky you reach us in such a gentle and serene way. All the best for the end of the year. Enjoy London. See you 💌💫

[@danishmusings]

🫶🙏🏻

[@least_512]

The ambiance and beauty of your surroundings is worthy of striving for 😊 ❄ thank you for sharing more of your history with us You bring A dynamic that is important for growth ✨

[@patrician5215]

From one Libra to another, I just want to tell you how much I appreciate your videos. I just found your channel so it will take a little bit to catch up. I was also an English major and studied to teach Secondary students, but made more money as a legal secretary. Love your style and really enjoy your channel. Keep knitting beautiful things.❤

[@danishmusings]

How lovely to ‘meet’ you, and welcome to this little space 😌🤍✨

[@songbirdsadeknits]

Hey Helle! I’m newish to your channel - just wanted to say ‘hi’! I love your knitting, but I actually most enjoy your musings. Thanks for sharing.

[@DanaBarbieri]

You live in a beautiful place. Very peaceful with the snow. You're a very talented, kind and stylish person. I enjoy seeing what you're working on and hearing your thoughts. Have a wonderful trip to London.

[@danishmusings]

Thank you for your kind words 🫶

[@christinaheesakacowden-wut3809]

Haha, the old woman from Lönneberga we call Kröser Maya in german. What a character, lol. 🙂 I love all of Astrid Lindgren`s books and the films they made in the seventies. Wonderful. Hope you feel better soon. Lovely knits and projects as always. Love the snowy garden paradise and the light in your house. It is so uplifting. Huggs from Schurwald Forest, Germany. 🥰

[@shethemorso]

It's great to see how you are encouraging your viewers to use Nordic patterns and yarns! Hopefully many of them will enjoy the patterns made by our very talented designers ☺ I've been struggling a lot with my second degree and felt like I'm way too old to study again - I'm only 33 years old lol. It was inspirational to hear about the path you have taken and it's also comforting to see other people making bold moves and doing stuff which they find interesting and joyful. Thanks for sharing this with us

[@danishmusings]

You are still so young! 😍 Don’t ever let age (or anything else) stop you from pursuing new things 🤍

[@shethemorso]

Thank you darling ❤

[@kathrynbarry9416]

I totally forgot to mention how beautiful you look with the snow in the background, quite mystical ❤

[@svetserai9760]

Very highly esthetic image and light, of the ambiance, of your knits, and of yourself. Kindly thank you for this video.

[@whichypoohs]

Oh that snow I’m so envious ❤😊

[@nancybeaman428]

I love the sweater w/ the different dye lot yarn---who cares the color is a little different? It's hand-made; unique and individual. I LOVE the yarn of the sweater you are wearing! Just lovely.

[@profbookwurm]

Love your beautiful, informative, and inspiring podcast. I am a knitter and a yoga therapist. Gratitude for your sharing.

[@misscharlotte160]

As always, Hille, I look forward to your podcasts. I am often inspired by your choices and this time was no exception. I’m going to knit the Gujo collar. Thank you for your ever diplomatic rebuttals of unbidden and inappropriate comments. Please don’t let them chase you off KZbin!

[@danishmusings]

🙏🏻🥰💙

[@antoinettevandewal834]

It’s such a pleasure to watch your podcast . Beautiful with the snow and all those delicious grays . Thank you again ❄️❄️❄️🤍

[@utesammerseegarten6220]

Deal Helle, your Danish quote completely got me - how simple yet so true! Thank you for your lovely podcasts, I enjoy every single one of them. Greetings from the snowy south of Germany

[@michelebuda-carlson2076]

I loved your episode today. It was so beautifully winter and Christmasy. I loved the lighting,(you need never apologize).The icey backround and the sweater you were wearing was all beautiful and so Scandinavian. I finished a hat for the homeless watching you today and if you had talked all day I would have started a new one and just kept knitting. I could listen to you all day. Thank you again for the quotes, your thoughts and your book recommendations. I hope you are feeling better. Merry Holidays.

[@danishmusings]

Thanks for your kind words 🙏🏻❄️🤍

[@fialotta4721]

I keep track of my increases/decreases by putting together 6 small safety pins (markers that look like little lightbulbs) The first is white and the last is black. The white one means I'm knitting the first round. I "climb" to the next marker the next round, eventually I get to the black one and then I do my increase/decrease. The next round I insert the needle in the white and start the climb again. Thank You for a lovely video and I wish you a merry Christmas ❄️♥️🌟

[@jamiethrogmorton2540]

That’s precise, simple and clever!! 🎉

[@danishmusings]

Excellent (I’ve tried smth similar but sometimes forget to remove one so I can’t be trusted 🙃) Merry Christmas to you too 🧑🏻‍🎄🤍

[@cindybilisko3862]

Your blouse is stunning! Absolutely beautiful colors in the yarn ❤. And beautiful colors on you!

[@dawnriggs5686]

I find all your videos engaging, informative and thought provoking. I hope you continue with both types of content, but it should also be something you do which is pleasurable for you.

[@suzyqb7709]

What a lovely, snowy backdrop. Love your knits and your style. I was so looking forward to a new podcast. ❤

[@Su-xs9ps]

Hello, I like your videos and they have already given me some knitting ideas. I'm currently knitting the Sunday Sweater with Drops Air. I think the lavender colored wool is great, I like this color! - Knitting the Gujo Collar out of this color is an idea🤔, I think this collar is really great; thanks for the idea for this! Many greetings and a nice weekend from Germany 🙋‍♀️. Until the next video.

[@JadiesJars]

I love your podcasts. Your knitting is exquisite as well as your choice of patterns. I am always looking for your next podcast. Your knitting is inspirational but also your quotes. I am old now (78) but you make me think about improving myself, my outlook and my day to day living life. Maybe there is time for getting out of this rut I seem to live in. Thanks so much.

[@suegaravet7223]

Your aesthetic is exquisite! Thank you for the effort you put out to produce this beautiful podcast. Feel better! ❤️

[@susanmiller3633]

Another beautiful and interesting podcast! I love hearing about the yarns you are trying, your color choices and of course what you are watching and listening to. Thank you so much!

[@thebooknitter]

You rock the neutrals helle ❤ and light colors too and I loved your words on the wish to something different or choosing a different palette 🎨 and I like that. Very beautiful proyects and I do want to dip my toes in more neutrals. Also love to know more of your background

[@anngreen9918]

Thankyou for this episode! In particular a great reminder for me mistakes and learning go hand in hand in knitting! Have a lovely Christmas.

[@DillyDahlia]

Thank you for another beautiful episode. I really liked what you said about learning and perfectionism and making mistakes. I’ve always been a very impatient person, and if I couldn’t do something perfectly right away, I didn’t want to do it at all. Very limiting. Knitting brought a completely different mindset for me; I learned patience and that even though mistakes can be frustrating, I have learned from every single one, and I keep wanting to learn more. Gabor Mate is excellent; I somehow discovered him a few years ago when I was going through a very bad spell of depression for a few months to where I had to take leave from work. He was like a balm for the soul and helped me immensely. I hope you have a wonderful holiday season.

[@danishmusings]

😘❤️

[@Nancyjarnecke]

Honestly GORGEOUS! Your talent is mind-blowing. So envious. Love your vids. Your daughters are lucky for many reasons🌸 I hope they are learning this amazing art-form.

[@nicolebeauchamp7622]

Another beautiful video. The top you are wearing is stunning. The icy colours are so elegant. The snowy backdrop is absolutely delightful. It is currently in the high 30s *C in on the south east coast of Australia.

[@egoreknits]

I like to collect quotes as well. I love your English translation of the Danish quote. I can't even count the number of times an interaction with a single human being changed the course of a day. I also really love grey.

[@aeastman59]

I had problems remembering the rows for the sophie shawl too... I finally took 6 safety pins and placed them on my chair arm... I moved a pin to the right every time I did a row then I knew when to do the increase/decrease and that worked for me, that kind of visual record to help me continue in the right way if I got up to do something else for awhile...its a super nice pattern and so cozy when done.

[@carolynworley1839]

Thank you for your lovely podcast. I think I have finally caught up on all your podcasts and feel that now I can respond. I appreciate your calm style, your quote choices and seeing the beautiful garments you knit. Best wishes to you during this season of Advent.

[@danishmusings]

🙏🏻🥰❤️

[@janeostin9841]

Helle, thanks for your talk! I also love the English language which is foreign to me. And I love knitting. Your knitting items are wonderful.

[@BonnieRennaker]

The sweater you are wearing looks so comfortable and casual, nice work!

[@moniquem8093]

What a beautiful background! I am so jealous as it is 81 degrees in San Diego as I am watching you. As for shawls, DRK has a lot of shawls, brioche, and colorwork, my favorites that I have knit are, Marley, Inclination, Attune, Satellite, Briochealicious, The Feel Good, Range and Ramble, As Isabell Kraemer has lovely shawl patterns that I can highly recommend. Rosa, Vaike, SSP, Kyler, Gryer, just to name a few, Hope this gives you some inspiration for knitting more shawls, currently, I am knitting on the Sook moon, sweater, thank you for the beautiful video!

[@danishmusings]

🙏🏻🥰🤍

[@moniquem8093]

Wishing you and your family a very merry Christmas@@danishmusings

[@zinakleyman1942]

Thank you very much for the beautiful podcast. I always wait for your next video and they are never disappointed. I hope you feel much better by now. Have a very Merry Christmas.

[@ednaquintana6201]

Hi. I just watched one of your videos and really enjoyed it. You are a lovely lady and a great knitter. I have been knitting continually every day for the last four years. I made lots of knits and enjoy making them. I like the motion of knitting and to see the item grow and change. I like picking different colors of yarn and feel the textures of yarns. I also crochet a little, but my passion is knitting. I am working, and I am almost finished, in making a lap blanket in the colors of mustard and white in twelve rows each. It is coming out nice. It is in acrylic yarn which I like and it feels good. I like the snow outside your windows. Take Care. 😊

[@danishmusings]

🙏🏻💙🤍🥰

[@dianebeth3946]

I very much enjoy your podcasts. Your knitting & pattern choices are beautiful😊

[@EllenvanderWoud]

Thanks for your podcast! I really enjoyed all you knitting while working a bit.

[@Wanderknits21]

Hello Helli- Gorgeous knitting, snow on the trees, and a smattering of talk about Gabor and Michael Singer ( two of my favorite wise people)- makes for a perfect podcast! Thank you❤

[@mongrain8934]

Thank you for this soothing and inspirational episode. I love your Cardigan No 6 you were wearing in Nice. ❤❤❤

[@alixiat560]

Your podcast is just the best, it was so soothing to watch with the snowy background. About the danish designers, let's be honest we all are obsessed with them! I know I started knittig when I discovered Petite Knit and realized that you could knit modern and minimal pieces 😂

[@danishmusings]

😍❤️

[@Meredith36]

My goodness, I love your podcast. What absolutely beautiful knits and outside your window looks breathtaking. Happy knitting and happy holidays 💚🧶💚🎁

[@Woollykindknits]

What a beautiful snowy setting for this podcast. 🩵🤍🩵 such a powerful quote today. Thank you. You will look lovely in the lavender sweater 💜 i hope to have my son’s Icelandic riddari blocked in time for the end of the knit along. happy new year!!

[@saramerrick3539]

Your knits are always beautiful and inspiring. Thank you!

[@cdknitty7787]

Enjoying your podcast so much. So many interesting topics. I look forward to checking out your recommendations. I’m very intrigued in the Nordic knitting designs❤

[@rebecca-72]

Another beautiful, peaceful and inspiring podcast, thank you Helle! I find I always love your versions of things… 🤔, be they simplistic or more involved. I just enjoy seeing how you do things and talk about them. Thank you for sharing!

[@lindarogers3608]

Love your podcasts. So elegant and soothing. And your knits are beyond gorgeous.

[@cherylbratten7613]

I enjoy your podcast. I believe you should keep learning all through you life. It is good for brain health. In my mid 60's, I have taken up the oboe, designed and set up livestreaming for my church, and learned to direct a choir. Knitting has kept my brain active but I never want to stop learning to do new things. I come from Norwegian heritage and love the simplicity of some patterns and yet love all the Scandinavian colorwork, too.

[@Vompan58]

Love this winter podcast and the grey yarns 🩶🩶🩶

[@Lesya77]

Love that lavender color. It suits you beautifully. Thank you for books and mentioning of Mr Maté. Exactly what I needed right now.

[@TricoteTaLife]

I so much enjoy the depth, wisdom and humility of your content ! It is so unique and interesting… Greetings from Paris ❤

[@danishmusings]

That means a lot to me. Merci à vous 🫶☺️

[@yuliyadanilova6130]

Thank you for your warm wishes! So happy I found your podcast!

[@cheryldowd6916]

Loved seeing you again along with your knits. It was nice to listen to your soothing voice and the scenery around you is spectacular. As the Amish in the states say, “No one is perfect except God”.

[@sadcrab29]

you look like a beautiful winter queen with your sweater and that snowy backdrop. . .i'm obsessed

[@laurelrobbins8673]

I love the view behind you - it’s so beautiful. Your podcast is so enjoyable and relaxing to watch, and the sweater you’re wearing is lovely. Thank you for sharing your story and your knitting with us!

[@jean-jn3nq]

Another beautiful episode. As a person who resides in the central coast of Cali I totally appreciate the snowy backdrop and the knitting is pretty outstanding too. ♥️thank you for sharing with us. 😊

[@fromlovingyou]

Following this podcast, I am knitting Blouse no1 as well, but in cotton. Thank you

[@kdo9571]

Som altid en inspirerende og oplivende oplevelse at dele strikketid med dig.

[@elissamcgahren8473]

❤ the podcast! I also love Untethered Soul! Keep podcasting!

[@karenwhite2601]

This is a fabulous podcast, finding out more about you and your interesting life is very enjoyable. You have so many talents! When I've caught up with all the knitting podcasts I am going to move on to your ones on travel and your Life in Denmark. I'm really looking forward to all of those.

[@danishmusings]

Sorry for the late reply - but thank you so much 🙏🏻🦋 I appreciate you.

[@caroledodd9698]

Thankyou for a lovely podcast. Your knitted garments are all beautiful and look so lovely on you. The whole feel of your podcast is calming with the snow, your knits and your chat. It was very interesting to hear about your working life too. I see now why you’re so fluent in English. I’ve grown up reading English patterns and have never even thought about their difficulty to others. Very enjoyable. 🎄✨🎄✨🧶🎁

[@ginamacris6524]

Thank you for the comforting chat -on so many levels. As one who needs to slow down, I truly enjoy your thoughtful, deliberate approach to knitting and your inspirational. messages. I listened and watched as I came to a successful solution to a problem with my knitting, with the invaluable assistance of the book “Patty Lyons Knitting Bag of Tricks.”

[@rafaelas2008]

Thanks again for a lovely episode. I enjoyed your knits and the view in your garden very much. I'ld rather look at snow covered tree branches, see an occasional bird fly by and watch snow fall from a branch than have perfect light. It reminds me of an episode by knittingtraditions when Inga was sitting on her terrace in front of her fjord. Stunningly beautiful!

[@gailfirenze4760]

Here in Australia, today I rather hot and to look out your windows is so pleasing to the eye. I love your colour ways. I would describe them as gentle elegance. I tend also toward greys and black. Thank you for the book recommendations also. I’m actually a fairly new knitter and yes I’ve made many mistakes, however knitters are generous in their help which is so nice. Do hope you’re feeling better soon. Blessings Gail.

[@karenley7356]

Oh Helle you are a gift on social media! I love your videos, I find the quotes, the philosophic discussions and the knitting inspiring. Your calm gentle nature relaxes me and I find myself looking forward to getting a cup of tea, my knitting, a notebook (for the quotes and philosphic lessons) and sitting back and taking it all in. Thank you for your generosity in making these videos and sharing💛

[@danishmusings]

Oh my, gulp, thank you for your kind words. They likewise inspire me 🤍🙏🏻

[@ronnadelavergne9217]

No need to apologize for anything. You and your home are lovely. The natural lighting only enhanced both! The lavender yarn looks amazing, especially against the snowy backdrop. Will be spectacular as a sweater. Thanks for telling us about yourself. It explains A LOT! You always present as an intelligent wise kind and insightful person. Now I know why.😊 thanks for podcasting even though not feeling well, for broadening my world, for confirming that there are truly wonderful strong women in this world. I appreciate how you firmly, tactfully stand behind your beliefs. Hope you and your family have a wonderful winter celebration. Enjoy London!

[@danishmusings]

I appreciate your thoughtful comment so much. Thank you 🩵

[@salomeelizabeth6026]

Such beautiful changes in your beautiful garden. Lovely knits. Especially blouse No 1 🙂

[@janakucera976]

Love your videos! Someone in the comments mentioned that you are a light in our knitting community and I have to agree. When you mentioned your extra yarn left over a matching hat or beret came to mind, perhaps that may interest you. Enjoy every day!💫

[@danishmusings]

🙏🏻😌🩵

[@ogoooooo111]

I want to move to Denmark ASAP. fantastic podcasts , fantastic knits, and lovely yarn colors. Thanks for sharing. You are a delight to watch.

[@jackyg9593]

What a beautiful winter wonderland. Hi from Australia. 👋🧶👋

[@danishmusings]

Thank you - and hi to you Down Under ☺️💛

[@nanabella007]

wonderful FOs :) I also knit the Sophie scarf and what I did to keep track of the increases was to put a stitch marker in the row I had done the last one... that way it becomes absolutely mindless :)