A Look at Nightingale (Voyager)

[@lordmontymord8701]

Let's face it: Harry is only a captain in Endgame, because Admiral "I rule the universe" promoted him to raise his hopes - knowing she will change the timeline anyway ... After they returned to Earth for real Janeway probably wrote a recommendation for him, saying he was a good ensign for the last seven years - so good, he should keep his position and rank.

[@wdcain1]

They really had no idea what to do with Garrot Wong's character. I hope he at least got paid well.

[@captianmorgan7627]

I still get annoyed that they were going to kick his character off the show but because People magazine decided he was one of the top '50 most beautiful people' they kicked Jennifer Lien off the show instead. At least it seemed like they knew where her character was going.

[@KaiObelisk]

I hate to say it but I think it's obvious why that character existed. And by simply existing and fulfilling the criteria, the writers patted themselves on the back and said well done. Still just one more actor failed by the great mediocrity.

[@chrisw207]

My best guess was he was there to serve as the naive idealist on the Starfleet side as they had personal struggles with the Maquis. When that was dropped, all they could do was tag along and string of bad relationships.

[@kramermariav]

He had a great podcast now... Very funny

[@daveroche6522]

Plus he never got to say "Where are the nuclear wessels, you wascally wabbit? Wound the wagged wessel the wabid wabbit wan". Reminds me - another shoutout to Walter for his portrayal of Bester in (the still awesome) Babylon 5 - easily to most punchable little shit in the galaxy.....

[@TheCameronsanderson]

I love how dry you are in your delivery.

[@kangkudos1225]

Dump a ton of salt on to UPS driver, he always delivers dry now

[@augiegirl1]

My dad showed me an episode of Firefly several years ago, but it was only last year that I FINALLY watched the whole series. I didn't understand Chuck’s “Shepherd Book” label for Loken until I looked up on IMDb & saw that it’s the same actor.

[@marshallhuffer4713]

They should bring back Harry in either Lower Decks or Prodigy and show that he's no longer an ensign.

[@lordmontymord8701]

Of course he's not an Ensign anymore after all that time - now he's a Lieutenant Junior Grade 😁

[@shaunwatson6354]

Isn't he a captain in Star Trek Online?

[@fromthecheapseats7126]

Now he’s a crewman third class.

[@oddish4352]

​@@shaunwatson6354Every time they show him in the non-canon future, he's a captain or well on his way. But since he's never made a canonical appearance (and may never do so), he's still stuck at ensign officially.

[@Wizardof]

"Have you ever applied to the Judge Advocate General's office? You would make a good lawyer...!" is another Starfleet expression for "GET OUT".

[@JustSumGuy01]

Still kinda sour that for plot reasons they promoted Tom back to lieutenant for shit he did off screen but not Harry for all the shit he's done for 7 years

[@Jalu3]

Wong to agrees that Kim was given the short end of the stick when it came to character development. Shame. Wasn't the Kim character one of the highest in his graduating class from Starfleet Academy?

[@cameronheaton9900]

@@Jalu3 Yes, I think that show went too long with the status quo.

[@aurorauplinks]

someone had to be the ensign :p

[@JustSumGuy01]

@@aurorauplinks There's plenty of no named dudes who could be the Ensign but they had to keep him that guy forever.

[@thecynicaloptimist1884]

@@aurorauplinks That makes it even more bizarre. He's Chief of Operations...yet is an Ensign. It would have made more sense for his character for him to be the assistant to the Ops Chief, the prodigy who is shadowing the more experienced officer to get leadership experience. When they're hauled off to the Delta Quadrant, the actual Ops Chief is killed, forcing Harry to step up and lead.

[@jdrobertson42]

If they hadn’t sent Seven along, I’d assume Harry and Neelix were sent out on a snipe hunt to keep them out of the way while the crew got some work done.

[@majorwesjanson]

Voyager has lost enough shuttles. Seven is there to make sure the ship comes back.

[@fromthecheapseats7126]

2:29 Neelix is the epitome of low cunning-crafty enough to trick gullible people, but not perceptive enough to see through other deceitful people’s lies.

[@chrisw207]

Probably would have been a better episode at season 3 or 4 so it could grow into something. By 7, it was just one more thing to pretend they were wrapping up.

[@myriadmediamusings]

Yeah sure they coulda had an S7 story that gave Harry a promotion, but why do that when we could have one more romp of Harry screwing up? That’s just crazy talk.

[@lordmontymord8701]

@@myriadmediamusings Instead Tom was promoted to his former rank after his demotion a while ago - well that's a FU to Harry if i ever saw one ...

[@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs]

Yeah fr

[@bradwolf07]

The Dead Captain bit reminded me of a species from the Animorph books... Can't remember their name, but I do remember their quark. All of their leaders never make mistakes; for you see, a dead leader cannot MAKE any mistakes. They were also miniscule compared to humans.

[@hariman7727]

Yeerks.

[@afroteddybear]

@@hariman7727 No, the yeerks were the ones that eat into your brain and control you. The aliens @bradwolf07 is referring to are the Helmacrons.

[@hariman7727]

@@afroteddybear oh. I never got that far in the books and only saw a couple episodes of the television series.

[@bradwolf07]

@Nathanielle Crawford thank you

[@terreliv]

13:30 This is why I have a notebook of meals at frequently visited restaurants--I don't wanna deal with it

[@malykoth]

I remember this one episode. Harry finds a cave filled with dead bodies on some planet. A portal opens and transports him to a different planet where the natives shove their dead into their end of the portal, assuming the dead were literally going to heaven. Harry (a trained Star Fleet officer who surely understands at least basic first contact protocol, and of course the 'Prime Directive"...ugh...) proceeds to say, "What are you idiots talking about? This portal doesn't go to heaven...the corpses, all your dead loved ones, are lying about in some cave on an empty planet! You guys are sooo stupid! Hahaha!" The culture on the planet proceeds to have a meltdown. Harry is bemused. That's how I remember it...

[@fromthecheapseats7126]

2:01 Coincidentally, Harry’s favorite song is “Walk the Line.”

[@TheeGrumpy]

Was Rick Berman a mole man? Is that why he approved the lights-out aesthetic? I can't see what's happening!

[@Maniac536]

My freshman year I had one of those roommates that was so bad it made me never want to live on campus again. The only good thing he exposed me to was this song called “nightingale” by saves the day. Still love that song...

[@ShadowMind312]

Belana cucks Tom with the EMH program😂😂😂

[@VerityFraser]

Come for the review, stay for the good life advice regarding leadership and decision making.

[@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs]

That's what makes sfdebris so damn versatile!

[@fromthecheapseats7126]

9:57 I feel like a ship captained by Harry should be christened “The Canary.”

[@ptonpc]

5:33 That was oddly specific.....🤔

[@mayflowerlash11]

On further investigation, Dayla is played by Beverley Leech, an actress who resembles Drew Barrymore. They are uncannily similar in my opinion.

[@fastertrackcreative]

'vitality centric' 😆.

[@tarab9081]

Yeah but he's a space junk peddler turned space fry-cook.

[@andywood6376]

The advice came from Neelix, so naturally the best thing to do would be the opposite. This would have been great for a Season 3 episode for Harry Kim but by Season 7 he’s been watching Janeway and Crew for years now. He should have accidentally learned some better habits so this is just another waste of potential.

[@lordmontymord8701]

His boss is Janeway - i'm not surprised he learned the wrong things from her: "Hey Captain, maybe we should give the Kazon what they want and they leave us alone." "No, i would rather destroy the ship!" (best answer instead of telling the guy why helping the Kazon would be a bad thing not only because of Federation laws)

[@fromthecheapseats7126]

1:30 Neelix is doing what he’s best at . . . being the worst at everything.

[@JustSumGuy01]

I never understood why did they need to land the ship? In space, it's much easier to move things in Zero-g and it's a space ship. It was built in a ship yard IN SPACE

[@Kirk00077]

Sure, zero G might make some things easier but on the other hand EVA is inherently dangerous-it might be the 24th century but space is still really inhospitable. If you *can* fix things on the ground in a breathable atmosphere, it might be better that way.

[@FFKonoko]

yeah, the space dock has a big advantage of being able to be enclosed, allowing them to fix things in zero G but with atmosphere.... Except all times we see people working on ships in space dock, they have suits. Kinda weird. So instead lets assume that it's either for secrecy, or to protect things from random debris or radiation?

[@JustSumGuy01]

@@FFKonoko Landing on the planet now restricts the repair teams to the weather of the planet and the time of day

[@among-us-99999]

Maybe you can shut down more systems for repair when you aren’t in space? hull construction in gravity + atmosphere would be worse in almost all aspects (moving parts, welding, etc)

[@ZeoViolet]

The Voyager was _designed_ to land on a planet's surface as a matter of routine course. It is nothing new in the series.

[@Maioly]

0:50 excuse me, but the scale in this shot just looks so... so goddamn off from my understanding of trek ship sizes and how it all works, they should literally be specs on the hull, you literally should not be able to make out defined humanoid shapes.

[@ke6nber]

Who confuses Cezanne and Manet? He deserved the A-

[@lynngreen7978]

Harry Kim, graduated top of his class, but only commissioned as an ensign? (Not Lt jg, not Lt sg, not Lt Cmdr). And he went seven years without a promotion. Travis Mayweather beat that. Graduated ensign, promoted in 5 years, whether or not he saved the Earth from the Xindi, and the Coalition from Terra Prime.

[@matthewsimpson5529]

I mean. They never said it was a very good class. The rest of them might have washed out.

[@lynngreen7978]

@@matthewsimpson5529 Maybe he was in the same class as Sito Jaxa, and that guy that looked just like Tom Paris.

[@steviethemusical]

It's borgin' time

[@among-us-99999]

the exact moment seven became hansenberg

[@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs]

I love when the Woman Carrying Seven said that!

[@andrewshearsby8125]

Neelix was smarter than Harry Kim in this episode...

[@lordmontymord8701]

And that is saying something ... Wasn't there this one episode of TNG, where Picard gives Wesley his own team of scientists, so he could learn something about leadership before joining Starfleet Academy? And of course the Academy trains the recruits too - so as someone who promoted as best of his class Harry should know enough for the job. Of course it is ok to show someone fail, because he or she is still inexperienced, too young and/or too arrogant. "Valiant" on DS9 is great, this is not ...

[@andrewshearsby8125]

@@lordmontymord8701 no it is not this is the pain that is Harry Kim's life

[@TheRyFiNetWork]

Geez just kiss Neelix already ;)

[@mayflowerlash11]

Am I the only one who thinks that the actress playing the sidekick to the Annari "doctor" and who dies stopping the core from exploding is none other than the great Drew Barrymore. Yes Drew Barrymore of 50 First Dates fame (showing my age). Check out the mouth, it's Drew, those eyes, it's Drew. If it's not Drew then it is her body (face) double. Is it possible that she was uncredited at her own request. I think I read somewhere that many Hollywood actors did one episode in the Star Trek franchise just so they could claim it in private. If I am wrong about the actress being Drew Barrymore then name the actual actress. Please.

[@MackerelCat]

Yeah she does look like Drew Barrymore

[@augiegirl1]

“Showing your age”? I remember her first role at age 6, in ET in 1982 (I was 3)!

[@mayflowerlash11]

@@augiegirl1 I know but I can't change my age or life experience. Drew Barrymore is one of the greats.

[@augiegirl1]

@@mayflowerlash11 I know, my point is that the phrase “showing your age” means you're admitting that you're old, but I'm even older than you.

[@Tiresias55]

God, this episode was so cringe. And a real lack luster entry in the show.

[@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs]

Tbf that could be said of an uncomfortable number of episodes on Voyager....

[@lordmontymord8701]

@@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs Yeah ... i mean there is a good reason SFdebris uses a rating system that's relative to the show. Otherwise Voyager would have way more ones and twos if you even compare it to other Trek-shows (ok, aside from ENT maybe 😉).

[@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs]

@@lordmontymord8701 it would sadly. It had some good ones and some nice moments but it was just so weak overall. It didn't have to be but the folks at the helm let it happen. Just now discovering DS9 for the first time (I never could get into it before for some reason) and I'm bowled over by it's quality. I see minor nits I could pick and a few duds, and a few choices I didn't love, a couple things really rubbed me the wrong way, but overall it is just such a joy to watch. It's firing my imagination and making me fall in love which each and every character. It is just so well done for it's genre, and overall. The actors cared, the writers cared, overall it just looks like everyone was trying their best and took pride in what they were doing. I really wish I could say that about VOY but unfortunately we can't.

[@lordmontymord8701]

@@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs I wished i saw DS9 after Voyager, so you get at least from bad to good. I watched them side by side when they originally aired and the difference was (and is) enormous. DS9 had it's bad episodes too and especially the first season showed that they weren't sure where to go and they squeezed in some standard-SF-stories like a deadly disease, but even the beginning had great episodes. And then there is Ron D. Moore, the guy who is responsible for many good things on DS9 (and the creator of the Battlestar Galactica-reboot later on): After DS9 ended he joined the VOY-team and wrote "Survival Instinct", one of the best episodes of the show. But he quickly left, bacause his ideas for the show were not appreciated. Thank god the showrunners kept Voyagers normal quality 😄

[@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs]

@@lordmontymord8701 yeah I have a lot to say about BSG. I appreciate how ambitious it was, the sets and production values were completely next level, the technical details were amazing . Things just got so convoluted by the end and I didn't love the fashie overtones, or that they made whats-his-name a ruthless killer so we wouldn't feel bad when his coup failed, which I was rooting for btw- I love whats-his-name and the actress who played Laura Roslin but I got tired of them having absolute power and welding it like a club, and thinking civil rights and Labor power are some sort of communist plot. I didn't love the not-so-hidden nods in the script against the rights of the People, including their literature being a dead ringer for the Communist manifesto, as if that's bad and scary and the Sum of all Fears. I mean really, is this a Boomer audience they were trying to reach or what? Very weird cold war overtones there... But I've always been a raging Leftoid, Labor rights fighter and anti-fascist so I'm sure it would rub someone like me the wrong way But the craftsmanship on set was always incredible so that was a real pleasure to see. I just think if it could have slowed down somewhat in the last two seasons, showed more of average life on Caprica before the attack, that might have been nice. I'm not sure I was on board with everyone being a secret toaster by the fourth season... All in all a hell of a show but like all ambitious projects, seemed to struggle under its own weight at times.

[@AnonEyeMouse]

The reason Obama doesn't give a shit about decisions regarding food or clothes is that whenever he DID the media goes fuck nutz crazy for a cycle. Tan suit? Dijon Mustard? Anyone?

[@janehrahan5116]

Yeah having the most positive slanted press coverage of any president since we've started tracking was a real drag. (The difference between o and t is. O wears a tan suit and the entire media gushes over how cool it is for a week. T wears it and the media cries about how the tan is a sign he'll make brown shirts for a month)