A Look Back at Why MvCI Bombed One Year Later

[@Stumblebee]

This video is a whole year old! Thank you for all of your support! I wouldn't keep making videos if it wasn't for y'all! Play MvCI! It's a better game than you think! (It's on Xbox Gamepass for Xbox and PC, so have at it!)

[@bobthetomato957]

Gamer time

[@EonTheAien]

Epikku

[@EonTheAien]

Ive never played it, but despite popular opinion, I really like the look of the characters. Please don't say I'm a shill.

[@eliasnicolasmiranda4940]

even with Gamepass or PC is not even worthy the GBs space in you Console or PC Hard Drive because the online is so dead in the world that it isn't funny maybe 20 people or less on some part of the US only but that's it

[@PepsiMan666]

Just discovered your channel and working through your fantastic back catalog.

[@DEFRaven]

Imagine saying the characters aren’t important in a IP vs IP game lmao

[@BryonYoungblood]

Yeah. Even if it was to save face and not put the blame on Disney or Marvel solely, it still didn't look *GOOD* for Peter Rojas to say something _THAT_ crappy. XP

[@cheesesteakphilly]

Remember when Combofiend said that if we liked Magneto, we could just pick Nova because he also has a tri-dash.

[@BryonYoungblood]

@@cheesesteakphilly Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[@keyblader2k6]

@@BryonYoungblood i also remember the marvel representative that was with him that legit suggested people may not have heard of the x men

[@BryonYoungblood]

keyblader2k6 Me too. As if people could forget the X-Men when IIRC, Days of Future Past and Apocalypse, two *X-MEN* movies had come out before MVCI! It just is another lame excuse just to not throw shade at Marvel for fucking things up

[@lilbonsly]

A Main Villain in the story mode as DLC *A Main Villain in the story mode as DLC*

[@ikillbumsoften]

Master Of Games nobody does that shut up

[@fordf-2505]

@@ikillbumsoften D.L.C

[@calopz4894]

Master Of Games if you’re going to do something odd, at least do it right. You forgot to add another dot at the end

[@raddude4334]

lilbonsly don’t forget that the monster hunter girl was also in the story mode, but also sold as dlc

[@diddlenfiddle7311]

Remember when they used to be unlockables?

[@CJ-ln5ov]

Thanos did...exactly what he said he was gonna do... He wiped out... Half the Roster........

[@clevevang5676]

A dlc to defeat full gauntlet thanos to unlock the other half of the roster(xmen included) would be nice

[@pkphantom]

Perfectly balanced... *As all things should be.*

[@redscorpion9325]

Evan Clarizio 🤣

[@ivansalcedo2290]

But Somehow Spidey Survived the Snap XD

[@ShinkuGouki]

The guy upstairs stole your comment and has more likes. Love that

[@Noah-je2xj]

This game feels more like a mcu shill than a fighting game

[@dragondelsur5156]

I would say that feels like a bad MCU movie but Capcom is the guest.

[@HyPNoTiKx]

*Thanos looks at MVC3 Ultimate roster: *snaps fingers

[@hexidecibel]

Why is this not the most liked comment ever?

[@DMANDE5TRUCTION]

@@hexidecibel i dont know lol

[@Yawdan]

Lol

[@MrSafior]

@@hexidecibel Overdone.

[@zarzanator1991]

Perfectly expressed my comment

[@StuUngar]

I’m a casual player, but the statement that really pissed me off was when developers said that many of today’s Marvel fans wouldn’t know who the X-Men are....... This like a few months after Logan came out and before Deadpool 2 came out. To me, that was just an insult to our intelligence. Just come out and say there’s contractual issues....

[@daienas]

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[@daienas]

Thanks suauau1yu Uuiiiiop Qqqqsssseqq Uwuwuwyjjjjk

[@themanwhosoldyou9545]

And even then, what the fuck? I had no idea of any of the characters other than Venom and Spiderman back in the day and I still loved MvC2.

[@KrillintheVillain]

@@themanwhosoldyou9545 it's funny they say that but they have characters like strider, nova, dormammu who nobody fucking knows as well as wolverine and storm. Plus they all keep saying each other's name in the story mode

[@uckbritley1305]

That's like saying Marvel fans don't know who Hawkeye is after Avengers 1/2 game out, jesus christ

[@Slayerofall21]

A minute of silence for Jedah and X. They finally get a chance to shine, yet the game underperformed

[@alexlee4154]

Wasnt x in umvc3?

[@keyblader2k6]

@@alexlee4154 i think youre talking about x being an alternate costume for zero. x himself is not playable in umvc3, which is strange when zero and even tron bonne are there over him

[@alexlee4154]

@@keyblader2k6 I heard hed been added, evidently thats what it meant

[@keyblader2k6]

@@alexlee4154 no idea where you heard but thats 100% false. if you look up the roster for umvc3 right now, nowhere on the character selection screen do you see x ANYWHERE. hes not a hidden playable character or anything like that. theres also a close to 0% chance he will EVER get added to umvc3 in the future.

[@tommymoodie2157]

@@alexlee4154 Actually X was in mvc2 but then they removed him mvc3 put in zero. U know one character I want them to put back in from mvc2 is gambit. He's a really underrated character.

[@Kullen64]

“Characters aren’t collections of hit boxes” You’re the only other person I’ve known who agrees with me on that. I actually care about the characters themselves as well as their stories and personalities/designs. I don’t care if some shitty character like Ultron has the same moves as Cammy. He’s not Cammy, and I won’t be playing as him. The appeal is totally lost.

[@AlonzoTompkins]

Who plays a crossover game without caring about at least one character in the roster? Seriously.

[@Kullen64]

Alonzo Tompkins Right? Haha

[@Kullen64]

Kadeeen Exactly!

[@tron_the7the9]

Ultron is cool :(

[@Kullen64]

Tron With a Staple Gun Well it’s okay if you like him 😊

[@SuperLlama42]

Honestly, the biggest problem with the "Functions" argument is, why bother paying all that licensing money making an MvC game AT ALL at that point? By that logic, it'd probably be cheaper to just throw money at in-house artists to have them design some replacement characters, throw them all in a fighting game that plays exactly like MvC and advertise your brand new fighting game franchise that's totally not MvC but is absolutely MvC.

[@KnakuanaRka]

Yeah, a game like MvC is absolutely sold on its characters and IP; it is basically the worst game possible to make that sort of comment about.

[@elbertpaulvillacorte6090]

2022 and I still agree with you on this. It's the main reason why DBFZ completely crushed MVC:I. If you treat characters as a collection of functions, then use a different franchise that's not MvC with characters who would be just as beloved worldwide. Bandai Namco beat them to the punch with that.

[@strtfghtr88]

@@elbertpaulvillacorte6090 Imagine making a DBZ fighting game, but keeping out the Saiyans....

[@ComeOnBunny]

I was out with no X-Men. The first vs. game was X-Men vs. Street Fighter so to have not a single X-Men was a disgrace imo.

[@SandwitchZebra]

No, even worse, the first ever crossover was X Men Children of the Atom, a X-Men only fighting game, made by Capcom, with Akuma as a secret character, before X-Men vs. SF. Yep. The X-Men were the first ever characters, so it's even worse.

[@Thelowestofthelowtiers]

Sandwitch Zebra What makes it even MORE worse is the fact they didn't have f*cking Akuma in it. If he wasn't part of COTA,MvC wouldn't have been a thought.

[@SandwitchZebra]

Akuma had no excuse not to be in it. He was one of the most popular Street Fighter characters as well, had a pretty unique moveset, and was, like you and I said, the man who started it all. It's a disgrace this game had the Satusi no Hado as well and no Akuma, since he's the main user of it. Plus he's also my favorite street fighter as well

[@ph43draaa]

Same. No Magneto and Wolverine? Pass.

[@gerg5555]

Fuck Di$ney

[@newphilmz3605]

Dude, X-Men WAS Marvel VS Capcom

[@workoutfanatic7873]

yeah, I still remember mid-90s first crossover Capcom v. Xmen; it was basically Alpha mechanics.

[@DarKKnightt07]

yes it was, X-men children of the atom started it all and they get forgotten.

[@workoutfanatic7873]

@@DarKKnightt07 Was that the sidescroller? I spent so much money on that beat-em up because I still sucked at fighting games when I was 10 or 11

[@luisreyes1963]

@@workoutfanatic7873 Your thinking of X-Men from Konami. X-Men: COTA is fron Capcom.

[@workoutfanatic7873]

@@luisreyes1963 Thanks for the clarification. I've been nerding out on MaximilianDood's MvC retrospective/history after seeing your reply!

[@ComicWriter-ml3qt]

11:24 when I played mvc3 for the first time nearly a month ago, I didn’t think about the type of character I was gonna try and learn. I thought about which character I liked, (Spider-Man) and decided, “hey, let’s learn this one). I didn’t think anything of what type of strategy would be needed to utilize Spider-Man to his full potential. I thought, I liked the character, I want to learn how to play them. The characters are not just functions. If that was the case, then the roster could be a hell of a lot shorter.

[@qazweriopkoilj]

Yeah, I knew about tier lists but it didn't make me chose op characters I don't care about and ignore my favorite ones!

[@LucasDanielCab5]

Hell Spider-Man alone is making me wanna give the series a shot 😂

[@patp3725]

Sheesh, they release a sequel with less characters, shitty graphics and even make some of the old characters paid DLC, I wonder why it was a flop...

[@truearea53]

ikr? I nearly preordered it, until the character trailer revealed the same damn characters from mvc3 and no xmens and fantastic 4.

[@thegroove14]

MvC has been on a downward spiral for years.

[@Izanagi-Arsene]

The most choice one being sigma being dlc when he's central to the plot.

[@rosesske2551]

Plus they acted like characters don’t matter in a crossover. DBFZ And Smash Brothers Ultimate sure proved that statement incorrect.

[@SandwitchZebra]

I just want to remind you all, Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and the revamped Ultimate did the same. Aside from Graphics, it has less characters, had Shuma Gorath and Jill as DLC, characters from 1 and 2, had characters like Strider in the revamp only, and has many bugs and broken stuff, like PHOENIX, and yet we treat it like it's what this game should've been. Infinite might be disappointing, but that by no means means it's bad. Good gameplay, nice balancing (mostly) a nice and engaging story, even though it did many things wrong and could've been more, realistic graphics, that, while looking much less creative then UMVC3, looks... all right (even if some models look off), tried to do many new things, and overall, is still fun to play. And Venom is literally the only DLC from the past. Yeah, maybe it has a safe and small roster. Maybe half the main villian is DLC. Maybe it's graphics are sub par. But if you're willing to call a game bad based off previous installments, or because you don't like a few things, or because PR was (I'll admit) absolutely HORRIBLE, then you have no idea what a game is. Capcom and Marvel didn't want it like this. They tried so many things to turn it around. But if you @Travis V, think they want to lose customers, you're wrong. And Capcom isn't dead. Mega Man 11, Street Fighter V is still going strong, and many more things to come. But if one game, ONE GAME, in their huge history, is enough, then I have no words.

[@DarknessOfSorrow]

The game was more of a promotion for the Marvel films. Also I heard an influencer was forced to not let any Marvel characters get beat up bc Disney while streaming

[@LazloKatamari15]

So like The Emoji Movie of video games?

[@benbarnett5743]

So, basically, it was executive meddling that ruined the game

[@martinblake2278]

An MvC game without Wolverine is incomplete. That character is the epitome of glitch and why it's cool not to do anything about it sometimes.

[@rosesske2551]

Doctor Doom Plus Ryu needs a true rival in the MvC series, and wolverine always seemed to fit the bill.

[@mr.raslyon6626]

X-Men Children of the Atom....Berserker Barrage was a total F-You to your opponent lol

[@tommymoodie2157]

as much as I was never a fan of wolverine(in the games). Not seeing him in Marvel vs Capcom just doesn't feel right. I was like" wait a sec where's that angry dog character that I don't play? It feels weird not having him to ignore and dislike."

[@kylebastian9809]

The same could be said for Storm, Deadpool, Magneto, and Doctor Doom. All five of them were essential ingredients for MvC games.

[@ballisticboo7808]

@@kylebastian9809 Sentinel and Akuma too

[@presleyfisher8040]

Is everyone going to ignore the fact that MvC infinite has less than half the content of MvC3 but is 64 GB. MvC3 IS 4.5GB. What the hell Capcom!

[@mikehawknballs434]

Them edgy cutscenes taking up all the space

[@eliasnicolasmiranda4940]

not worthy any of the space of your hard drive

[@leonardopenapineda6488]

Thats mostly due to the story mode, and the models having more polygons. We ignore the fact the models have more polygons tho, cause even with what should have been an upgrade, it had worse graphics than mvc3

[@SomeoneThatIsHappy]

Now i feel stupid for choosing to buy MvCI instead of UMvC3

[@vhsdinosaurgo]

As a casual fighting game fan, slashing the roster down was an absolute killer. I can overlook the nitty gritty of the fighting systems and lackluster character models/story mode. I’m a simple man, just let me stab people with Wolverine’s hand knives

[@perkypears]

It’s even funnier when Smash Bros Ultimate was also soon announced, with the main focus of the game being that they brought back every single character they’ve ever cut, nearly every single stage, and nearly every single song in the entire series lol

[@vhsdinosaurgo]

@@perkypears They understood what people wanted!

[@urgarb9718]

Radical Brothers Gaming Nintendo does what capcamdont

[@Master20Bucks]

@Ouija ZaZa Gaming I would argue that with the metal infused in the bone they are closer to knives. They are definitely not just bone. I mean hell depending on which earth we are talking about, then yes, they are 100% artificial blades added to him.

[@jonashworth9757]

Radical Brothers Gaming I agree with everything you said, but I’ll add one more thing. MvC2 was my all time favorite fighting game. So I inherently made the mistake of hoping 3 would be the exact same. It was not. The controls were different, characters were MiA, and the mechanics were changed from 2. So it wasn’t the same game I remembered. I gave it a chance, but Infinite totally ruined any interest I still had. It’s a shame.

[@JStryker47]

It certainly didn't help that Morrigan's accent kept changing, during the story, either. Or that the game didn't have any arcade mode endings.

[@luisreyes1963]

And yet, she's still my waifu...😍

[@JStryker47]

@@luisreyes1963 Well, yeah. I haven't lost any love for her. I just wish her voice was consistent in that game.

[@omnionika152]

@@JStryker47 yeah I agree. Morrigan is such an iconic character with an even more iconic design. A better voice actor wouldn't hurt. Not too bash her current voice actor, but there are so many other Scottish female voice actors out their who could do Morrigan justice.

[@BryonYoungblood]

@@artofajax7199 We can probably also blame it on voice direction too for how Ms. Flynn sounded in MvCI as Morrigan. It also was rough sometimes with Ashly Burch as Chun-Li, even if she wasn't too bad, but I feel Capcom coulda kept Laura Bailey for her and also still had her voice Black Widow. For crying out loud, look at MVC3 and UMVC3! Steve Blum voiced both Wolverine _AND_ Taskmaster in it!

[@jac_238]

Bryon Youngblood idk if it’s true, but apparently marvel and Capcom had an agreement that a voice actor couldn’t voice two characters on opposite sides of the roster and Marvel got dibs on Laura Bailey first

[@misterspalk]

I didn't f*** with this game because of one reason, no X-Men

[@cheapets]

Or MCU vs Capcom

[@cartoonworld1000]

I know my main was always Psylocke, and they fucked that up

[@RageUnchained]

As a wolverine Main I was upset by that too

[@Bangcat]

No X men. X reason to play.

[@M4TTYN]

@@Bangcat Disney: we don't lend out licenses for our IP's unless u pony up! to capcom deff ain't had the money to pay so RIP X men in MvCI

[@TempestDacine]

This game was such a showing of how good gameplay can't work when you sabotage every other aspect of your game and completely miss your audience's wants.

[@filipepires9860]

For sure, I agree Both have to be there, even if I think gameplay is more important MVCI is fun as fuck, but content wise, has nothing going for it For example, MK11 has content, and content makes me go back Bit the gameplay is so boring and not rewarding, I comeback, but don't stay for long The funny thing is, I don't even watch dragon ball, I don't know if the roster appeals or not, but when this game looks this tucking good and is this fun? MVCI has great gameplay, but that's it, entirely

[@FA-nd9uk]

The gameplay isnt good though

[@FA-nd9uk]

The gameolay isnt even good, lol.

[@DeezBallsAreInert]

This is a pretty toxic sentiment to have, especially when it comes to calling people that do love the game shills and trash them for it. The game is freaking fun to play and that’s all that matters to me. In fact that’s the one thing that SHOULD matter the most above all else You are absolutely valid in the criticism you share regarding graphics, roster, lack of X-Men characters, music, pr disasters, etc. But to completely disregard the game based off these imo superficial features without even considering experiencing the game and taking an objective look at its gameplay is a very harmful sentiment to have to the gaming industry. If you only care about looking at something pretty that has X-Men, go watch the Deadpool movies

[@BainesMkII]

Combofiend's "function" argument is automatically sunk by the existence of Marvel vs Capcom. If the function was all that mattered, why make a Marvel crossover game at all? If function was all that mattered, Capcom could have just made 15 original characters that played like the MVC classics, and kept all the money. Capcom didn't do that because it knew the form mattered greatly.

[@gc3k]

That's a good point. If Marvel only wanted to promote upcoming MCU+Sony projects, why didn't Capcom introduce new Capcom characters that played like the missing Marvel characters? No X-Men or F4 favorites basically killed the game, but everything about it looked uninspired, with a lot of returning characters that were famous in tournaments but aren't fan favorites. You can't sell a MvC game with Mayor Haggar as a main character. Seriously, where are the Street Fighter characters? Even MvC3 had CViper and Akuma in it

[@michaelmccoy1794]

That is a great point. HOWEVER i think combofiend had a decent point as well, he just didn't express it too great. If he would have said function was PART of the picture, instead of saying it was ONLY the functions that mattered, i think he might not have created such a backlash.

[@BainesMkII]

Combofiend was basically ****ed. He felt that he needed to defend the absence of fan-favorite characters, but couldn't say anything that would reflect negatively on either the game or Marvel. He couldn't say the truth, so he had to make up an excuse in a situation where no excuse was going to be accepted. That he managed to come up with that particular excuse was just icing on the cake.

[@mondayjoker]

I forgive the guy. Most people dont understand the pressure in that kind of situation. In the world of corporate PR, the suits take great joy in shooting the messenger. Even if he had said something seemingly innocent like; "It's out of our hands" or "It's in Marvels hands, sorry." In the end the fans shot the messenger anyway.

[@BainesMkII]

Fans would have been somewhat accepting, at least towards Capcom, with "It's in Marvel's hands". But fan ire would be directed at Marvel, which would cause Marvel to get upset with Capcom. Worse, this was a potential legal minefield for Marvel. It was already believed that Marvel conducting a years long multi-media effort to downplay the Fantastic Four and to replace Marvel's mutants with Inhumans, conduct which Marvel denied despite plenty of evidence. Marvel *had* to deny it. If Marvel admitted to intentionally devaluing the Fantastic Four and X-Men franchises, then Fox could have taken Marvel to court. And Capcom saying "Marvel wouldn't let us use the X-Men and Fantastic Four, fan favorites and staple characters of the series, in the newest MvC" would be exactly the kind of evidence needed.

[@BovineDesigns]

That ironic moment when the MCU is the reason why MVCI is failing.

[@paulakroy2635]

MOOFAMDEEZ Dude Capcom is the sole reason. The roster is because they rushed out the game

[@XBladeVanitas]

@@paulakroy2635 Disney had complete control on which Marvel characters were allowed to be in the game.

[@paulakroy2635]

XBladeVanitas they did yes but here is what we would have gotten if not for Disney. More characters ported from mvc3. It would have been recycled content. Disney actually stopped that

[@rcoh4]

@Gzus Kreist Disney is Nazi not Jew

[@kylehill6636]

@Gzus Kreist What does Judaism have anything to do with Disney ruining franchises?

[@madagrar7265]

They should have stuck with the old art style and not excluded all of the X-Men. You don't ditch what got you to the dance.

[@nexenojustice552]

Welp, the answer is F DISNEY.

[@ricky-sanchez]

@@nexenojustice552 Capcom could have thrown in Phoenix wright, sakura, and cody.

[@destructive_thoughts_]

5 years later, MvC3 is back into the mainstream FGC, despite it being a broken piece of a media, people resonate more with diverse rosters and unique artstyles despite it several, several issues.

[@gengarfanatic5343]

What pissed me off most about the game was the fact that DLC characters were included in the story mode. The moment I saw Black Panther and the character from Monster Hunter in the story mode, with both characters behind an $8 paywall, that's when I quit the game and said 'no thanks.' I only had to pay like less than $10 last year for this game thanks to a sale and some left over MyBestBuy reward certificates, and I refuse to pay the same amount or more to unlock characters that should've been included in the core game if they were in the damn story mode. I swear, it was like Capcom was giving the fans of these games a big middle finger and said, 'you want these characters? Then bend over and take it like a man,' Shady AF

[@danballe]

Straigh out from the EA rulebook too, my fellas!

[@aaronjames3228]

You could have at least finished the story mode. It was really fun. You seem petty.

[@decidueyezealot8611]

Salty fuck😀😀😀

[@decidueyezealot8611]

He can do what he wants tho :0

[@blues4509]

Answer is simple. Capcom didn't care so a majority of the fanbase returned the favor.

[@KillaSmit20789]

Blues Very simple

[@Gendo3s2k]

Maybe they'll go the Pachinko machine route that Konami took

[@trueblueclue]

Seems like a Marvel/Disney thing. They could've easily greenlit the characters.

[@milosmisic89]

Disney/Marvel is the real problem here. Capcom's hands were obviously tied and I suspect they got tired of defending a crappy product so they just abandoned it.

[@ajscrewu]

@Milos Misic yes it’s Disney’s fault that the capcom side was mostly reused mvc3 chars totally not laziness or anything

[@bocodamondo]

i dont really care much about this game, but i AM worried that capcom/marvel might learn the wrong message from this and kill the MVC franchise which i really love, UMVC3 was and still is amazing thanks to its huge roster. they still havent tapped into amazing character potential for the franchise like gene, asura, nero. or even squirrel girl and the new ms marvel also since disney owns FOX now , theres nothing stopping them from bringing the x-men and fantastic four back, so if theres gonna be a new MVC game, it is destined to be amazing

[@Jojo-oi5vi]

bocodamondo i honestly want it dead and make a new fighting, they recycle the same characters and never give me punisher and other marvel characters i want, it would probably take them 6 sequels to make that happen and i probably be dead by now, screw it.

[@kylewhite8434]

Asura NEEDS to be in the new mvc

[@TheREALHugo4]

More like shittier and shittier.

[@apoclypse]

bocodamondo I think it’s dead. UMVC never really sold that well according to Capcom and this game looks like it sold even less. It doesn’t even have the halo effect of tournament play to boost sales for a week. It’s dead. Capcom would be better served either coming out with a new franchise or reviving something like Darkstalkers/Vampire Savior. But if SFV and MVCI is any indication they don’t have the team or resources to do it justice. SFV wouldn’t even exist if Sony weren’t paying for it. Fighting games just don’t bring in the same amount of revenue something like Resident Evil does. I think the fighting game crown is going to be handed to Arcsys for the foreseeable future.

[@Raiden3651]

New rumors have surfaced lol. Like that time when Captain America got sniped in the back of the head and died...but then came back a while later

[@mr.voltorb]

“I want this game to continue to infinity and beyond.” Mickey Mouse knocks on door.

[@nexenojustice552]

Capcom: 'IGHT I'm out.

[@ricky-sanchez]

@@nexenojustice552 Spelled aight wrong...

[@mattyryon]

Hey thanks for the Dan shout out, made it to the top 3 dan's back in the 360 days and was really proud of being able to be competitive with my favorite character

[@nurse425]

Hate to break it to Capcom, but, with the AMAZING success of fighters such as, DBZ, Mortal Kombat and Injustice, now was NOT the time to go half assed, especially since those games were made, it seems, as TRUE fan service games. It also doesn't help that Mortal Kombat and Injustice have pretty much set the bar as far as story modes go!

[@shinjojin]

^ Pretty much this!

[@chucho224]

i think the problem is that people expect fighting games to have more modes and shit and dont look into the important part. how it plays. MK and ij2 are terrible fighting games

[@eachasteriod1334]

arbereshe it’s true though

[@RudeOfTheTurks]

@@chucho224 MK is a pretty good fighting game, so you're wrong.

[@chucho224]

@@RudeOfTheTurks except it have terrible gameplay

[@bloodycard6314]

I still remember those easter eggs we got instead of Infinity stones.

[@marlonmontelhiggins8570]

@Ryan Stewart - Go ahead, Ryan. Scream loud for all to hear.

[@Jojo-oi5vi]

Man fail advertisement, fucking lairs cashcom was,

[@keyblader2k6]

dude, talk about false advertisement to the extreme

[@truearea53]

Tell me about it. Those stones look like a bunch of fruity Easter eggs. I’m so glad that I didn’t preordered the game plus the bundle crap.

[@coolkidplayz6232]

That moment when you realise injustice 2 is a better crossover game that marvel vs capcom

[@mrboerger1620]

That's just ficking sad

[@williambatson2514]

Well yeah, they had Hellboy and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. There's no contest

[@KingOfDarknessAndEvil]

@@williambatson2514 the TMNT in a (good) Marvel VS Capcom game would be sooooo cool

[@Arkhamman2023]

When you realise Injustice 2 has more mutants than MVCI..........

[@ComeOnBunny]

At this point Mortal Kombat and Tekken with their guest characters is a better crossover than this game.

[@brad4058]

The deal breaker for me was the roster.

[@arkinyte13]

B Rad Same.

[@absol881]

The deal breaker for me were the Infinity Stones

[@turtleanton6539]

Ofc the röster IS the game😊

[@jimmysirenhead6228]

11:24 *When I played MvC3 I didn’t pick Sentinel, Tron Bonne and Dormammu because of functions and playstyles I just thought they were cool*

[@chiyo-chanholocaust8143]

They had an EASY slam dunk on their hands and botched it. I remember when the game was announced being so hyped, thinking I was gonna see the likes of Leon, Nero, Ashura, Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones...you know, RELEVANT characters from both sides, instead we get almost the same roster but reduced? I still don't understand how could this happen

[@xavierlugo5296]

Leon would of sold me..BUT I don't like the 2v2 i think it's whack and borin

[@Monty2289]

I still give Marvel the huge blame on this one. Because no matter what you say about Capcom. They know how to make games. Yeah there are some questionable lazy spells and they got rid of their big idea and charm devs (Now Platinum games) but their talent when it comes to presentation is pretty high. The ball was dropped so hard here because of the RED side of the crossover and if I sat here and said why it'd be an essay. Capcom for crying out loud needs to make an ALL-Stars vs. title. I wouldn't even mind if they cut corners. As long as their presentation is good and they spend time on improving MVC3's system. I say 'cut corners' because they'd run into all the problems they did with this game but with much better presentation and music they could win people back over.

[@iflyte]

Jessica Jones, seriously?

[@SeanUCF]

Xavier Lugo 2v2 is a far better format. It's far more strategic and would allow for specialized team up moves (like Hulk and Zangief double atomic buster or ken/ryu double shinku hadouken). Unfortunately they didn't do anything like that for MvCI like they had in versus games of the past. I would have killed for a Megaman X and Zero double special move.

[@paulakroy2635]

Chio Chan Genocide Ok guys please watch Liam Robertson video on this.

[@Diggy22]

The fact that local game stores were trying to upsell MvCI even though all the X-Men were nowhere to be seen said it all for me. When I saw a demo played at my favorite game store, I mentioned immediately that there was no Wolverine or Magneto, the sales clerk immediately name dropped Captain Marvel as a substitute character, saying her mechanics were similar. You could smell the desperation.

[@turtleanton6539]

Oooof😅

[@ItsTheFizz]

MVCI struck me as never as having its own identity like Spider-Man PS4 has as MVCI felt more concerned about advertising the upcoming MCU films (Infinity War, Captain Marvel) and Monster Hunter World rather than stand up under the strength of its own merits...

[@paulakroy2635]

Michael Scally why no iron fist and ant-man

[@MrSafior]

Marvel to 2013 to 2017 was only focus to advertis the MCU in all media, Game, Cartoon even Comics. And basicly give trash. Thankfully, with the dowgrade of Permullter, Cebulski has new editor in chief, Insoniac Spider-man and the upcoming Into the Spider-verse; Disney finnaly understand then making everything like the MCU is a bad idea.

[@keyblader2k6]

anybody who says/thinks that infinite was NOT a giant advertisement for the mcu movies is either straight up blind or stupid as f****

[@DarkEmissary617]

Tell me about it. I hate how Disney has only been making everything nothing but ads for their projects and never ever seem to make them their own thing. This is what I miss about Marvel games and cartoons, they were doing their own thing and were not advertising some movie coming soon.

[@MrSafior]

DarkEmissary617 Thankfully Spider-man change that.

[@emi_bboy]

Came from maximilians channel. Nice video man .

[@itscomplicatedwatches]

I just didn't support MVCI because they didn't use any X-Men. Period.

[@NeoKurow]

20:45 "Listen Chris! I'm from the future! Mahvel is dead!" Chris G couldn't believe it. The guy that traveled from the future to tell Chris G about the terrible destiny of Mahvel but he was stopped and failed the mission. Thank you ghost of marvel you tried at least.

[@Stumblebee]

evoGhost

[@Whienzarth]

ppl need to stop sleeping on this lore.

[@modeseven8100]

"It's not dead, it just smells funny"

[@ArioDragon]

It's a Walking Dead.

[@chatnoir3025]

So it's decomposing, lovely.

[@mochiwave9179]

A wild god appeared, bless your work, man.

[@ComicWriter-ml3qt]

Spiro Dra *capcom will remember that*

[@redstar82]

Do you think the MVC franchise is dead in the future?

[@IAmTheStig32]

One other thing that sucked about MvC Infinite's presentation that doesn't get discussed as much as I think it should, was the music. So many of the character themes missed the mark. Captain America's theme is mixed too low and honestly sounds more appropriate as a background for a menu screen, Dante's theme has vocals so compressed it sounds like they recorded it with a microphone they fished out of a lake, the Monster Hunter's theme is just butchered by generic electronica sound so badly that you can barely recognise her theme, and Nova's new theme is... just awful; it sounds like a news jingle, or like a Captain America theme, especially jarring as Nova had one of the best themes in MvC3. Not to mention there's just so little creativity involved, it's mostly just dance party remixes of their old themes. Compare with DBFZ and BBTAG. Let's start with the former: there's so much variety, from Android 16's "protect this cool nightclub I loved, Gohan" Russian dubstep theme to Hit's little number with the high impact saxual violence, but they all fit the characters and they all feel hype. As for BBTAG, we get all the character themes (and the classic pre-Chrono Phantasma ones in the case of Blazblue), the new RWBY characters get mix themes made of themes from the show, three variations on the main Crossing Fate theme to represent each franchise (all done in the musical style by Shoji Meguro, Raito and Jeff Williams no less) and a kickass final boss theme for SYSTEM. It's just not good enough on MvCI's end.

[@pizzahighfive2612]

Yes as a musician who heavily pays attention to video game music, MvCi music is soul less. Why is movies, games, and music so soul less now?

[@trevinodude]

I never thought I'd agree with Jameson of all people... but he is right. The music was lackluster and tried too much to be like the MCU music. Other Marvel games got this right... a non fighting game example, Spider-Man PS4... orchestral music can be great in tough battles, but it needs to sound distinct, different than other tracks. And MvCi's ost doesn't have that distinctness. [Also admin is a musician/music major, so yeah... I spend a lot of time analyzing music]

[@krullachief669]

High impact saxual violence is pretty fucking great man

[@goatgangster1013]

Two words: Injustice 2 (two).

[@davyt0247]

Agreed, MvCI's music was absolutely terrible. One awesome thing about BBTAG is Shoji Meguro, Raito and Jeff Williams ACTUALLY composed their remixes of the main theme, and the RWBY characters music is straight from the trailers/show/ost

[@ajwrestling7855]

The simple answer is no X-Men

[@75erick75]

True, I would've dealt with the shitty graphics and slower game play as long as the roster was fully fleshed out; and not just a way for disney/marvel to push their cinematic universe. The roster was weak; which is disappointing to say of a MVC game.

[@ricky-sanchez]

Pretty much sums it up. Oh and the lack of characters in general.

[@ronniemckinney4811]

X-men aren’t very relevant today so it’s no surprise they excluded them. Haven’t been relevant since the early 2000s.

[@turtleanton6539]

And no FF😊😅😅😅

[@Whurlin]

The function comment sealed it's fate.

[@hennyzhi2261]

Those devs probably haven't played Smash. Falcon players don't play falcon because of what he does. They are falcon mains because he is cool.

[@wakkaseta8351]

If only the Icons devs understood that.

[@truearea53]

yeah those developers must be rookies and have no idea how MVC works

[@alonzowashington8051]

Falcon Fuckin Punch!

[@DarkEmissary617]

Yeah hearing that in the video seriously ticked me off. They completely missed the whole meaning of the bond between a player and their main in a game and that can never be replicated that easily. This applies to literally any game anyone plays and they act like they are nothing more than expendable fighters.

[@IAmTheStig32]

I remember reading once on Tumblr something that said your main in a fighting game is basically your Stand. In other words (for non-Jojo's fans), your main is literally the manifestation of your fighting spirit. You pick your main because something about them resonates with YOU. Part of the reason I main Blake/Makoto in BBTAG is, although they do complement each other well mechanically, nothing to do with that; it's because not only do I like both characters in their home franchises individually but also they play off each other amazingly - two cute animal girls who faced racism in their worlds, one dealt with it by being sweet and silly and the other by being salty and serious. If they really met they would probably get along from the word go, and something about that is just really nice to me. Yeah, they absolutely missed the point.

[@Sourcy]

To top it all out, Smash came a year after, burying MCI to the ground even further You have to wonder how blind Capcom truly is after seeing it's competence doing so much better than them in basically every aspect.

[@eliasnicolasmiranda4940]

oh wow surprised to see you here

[@mario6279]

Didn’t have enough characters I think marvel vs Capcom 2 is the best example of how a fighting game should be

[@Stumblebee]

Hey, I don't think I can say enough to thank Max for the shoutouts on this video. You have all been amazing and I can't wait to make more stuff for you. What stories would you like to see me tell?

[@itsamewow3100]

Stumblebee you should make a video on Street Fighter X Tekken, Asura’s Wrath, and Battle Born. I feel all these games did something wrong, and as a result were quickly forgotten

[@fabiocarolino5556]

Are you gonna focus on fighting games only or others? If fighting games,tell about SxT, how the game launched pretty badly, the DLC controversial, and only a year later they fixed everything, but it was too late, or BBTag, about the polemical DLC stunt (seriously, it's not good at all, like WHY ORIE, ARC? WHY HER?) But the comunity kept because of easy gameplay, hard to master, and the systems, and while sales weren't that good, the game was a sucess competitively. Your MvCi video was awesome, can't wait for others.

[@cbizzle2590]

Stumblebee I’m an actual 21st Century Fox employee. The buyout wasn’t as simple as the headline made it appear. In truth it’s MUCH MORE complicated than that, and things will be shifting too and fro in the meantime until the dust has settled. I can’t say anything more, yet I will say this: Stay tuned.

[@Stumblebee]

@@cbizzle2590 interesting! I know that Viacom put in a bid to block the purchase, but backed out when Disney put up some 'Fuck You' money in response. Looking forward to seeing what else is going to go down.

[@Stumblebee]

@@fabiocarolino5556 so, I don't want to pigeonhole myself into fighting game videos only, but I do think that Street Fighter x Tekken is an interesting case. There's a lot to talk about there. Stay tuned.

[@resrevr]

Remember the collector's edition included infinity stones that looked like the little toy capsules in a Kinder egg lmao

[@Kat-Kobold]

do not explain this to the Americans

[@thunter992]

Compared to the previous image they advertised for the collectors edition of the game...

[@ajscrewu]

Anyone who bought that is a capcuck and deserved their glow in the dark Easter eggs

[@miggymogel9217]

@@Kat-Kobold Americans have kinder eggs dipshit

[@DrippleDragon]

Lmaooo i almost bought that bull shit

[@Evixyn]

The guy who said: Mass Effect Andromeda called, they want their face model back. That made my day 0/

[@truearea53]

the characters faces in infinite, are so disgusting and puke like.

[@dirtydrops4633]

her eyeshadow literally looked like ryu came home angry from work and took it out on her...

[@fryrice]

It seemed Capcom cared more about Smash than MvCI... Also Phoenix Wright for Smash, just cuz he wasn't in Infinite lol.

[@MaxX500]

Pheonix Wright for DLC slot 5 confirmed

[@OdaKa]

Lol what does Capcom have to do with Smash?

[@OdaKa]

@Kadeeen I remember back when fans were saying Nintendo loved Mega Man more than Capcom

[@TheReZisTLust]

@@OdaKa Capcom has more to do with Smash then SNK does with smash. Terry SMASH!

[@dylancomeau4550]

Rathalos and now resident evil

[@chubbs2067]

Came by way of Max... excellent job, did a very clear representation of all the issues.

[@alanius8271]

Yeah, same here!

[@lunabolt]

It looks like filthy frank cosplayed as chun li.

[@rickjamesia]

Nathan Clark I think his proper name is now “The Artist Formerly Known As Filthy Frank”.

[@lunabolt]

@@rickjamesia That just makes me feel horrible. Truly the end of an era.

[@icouldntcomeupwithanorigin2688]

That would explain why she looks dead

[@Rex-golf_player810]

@@rickjamesia well technically the character will always be frank but the guy isnt

[@xyoungdipsetx]

Nathan Clark lol

[@The_Fireseed]

Max sent me. Good job dude!

[@grandmasterkawaii5112]

Really does feel like you're under-selling how bad the PR for this game was (Didn't even mention the "nobody remembers the X-men" comment) and over-selling both the quality of gameplay and the reception towards it.

[@nikhilbhavani981]

GrandmasterKawaii to be fair, the gameplay is not bad at all. If this wasn’t an MvC game, it would’ve been more loved, but because of bad PR, stronger competition, and licensing leases, the game was more hated. You can’t tell me most of the hatred comes from a sense of betrayal based on what it once was, rather than what it is now. It’s not bad, just disappointing.

[@ricky-sanchez]

@@nikhilbhavani981 You don't know bad until you see sigma and Ultron fuse together to create the dumbest boss in video game history!!!!

[@nikhilbhavani981]

ricky sanchez Well if you look at it from a bit of a comic lens, it’s fits the cheesy nature. Not every fighting game needs to be extremely serious or intimidating. Sometimes it’s just gotta be fun or fit the tone. Just because it looks dumb doesn’t mean it can’t be fun.

[@superbro6413]

Making my prediction now, 80% sure it'll be correct: - Any and all development for Infinite is done - Marvel 3 will never be touched, re-release or otherwise - Marvel 2 will fall to the same fate - Marvel Origins collection will stay delisted for all time - The MvC franchise has been sunset permanently This situation really sucks, but that's how the cookie crumbles. Hopefully there will actually be another fighting game after SFV developer support ends in 2020. Maybe take the hyper fighting style and make a true Capcom All Stars? I can only hope. Good stuff either way

[@Stumblebee]

Something I wanted to mention in this video but couldn't find a place for is Capcom's habit of throwing out games like feelers to get an understanding of where their IPs stand with general audiences. See Darkstalkers Ressurection/USF2T/MvC2 and SF3 rereleases, etc. The way MvC flopped has me worried for the future of the franchise. Hope I'm wrong.

[@freedomkme]

I can see new Marvel Games producers giving it another try in 10 years.

[@NeoKurow]

SF 6 is already paid and being development for PS5... the rumors are that it will use realistic graphics like tekken.

[@NeoKurow]

I agree I love the 2D graphics but that is the info that was revealed. They originally wanted those graphics for SF V but the idea was discarded in the end and they end up using the actual look (Replaced ink effects/theme from SF 4 for water effects in SF V and still use big hands and feet for the characters)

[@NeoKurow]

No man what made these games so cool is the 2D gameplay style and Marvel 3 is proof of that. 3D is not the way this game should go.

[@juan93862]

I forgot this game existed.

[@luisreyes1963]

What a pity the late Stan Lee didn't.

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

For me, one of the biggest problems with the modern fighting games is its focus on constantly pushing DLC and releasing what ultimately feels like a game that was hastily put together. For a game that should be focused on mechanics and a well balanced game, it rarely feels that way to me. Story modes are usually rushed and boil down to "enough talk, let's fight" almost all the time. Dragonball Fighter Z was the only game in recent memory since Mortal Kombat X that didn't do this. Games like Street Fighter 5 and Cross Tag have most of their rosters carved out as DLC. A lot of them don't even have unlockables anymore, giving them zero replay value.

[@st4ne4rmthevill63]

Injustice 1 & 2 have *amazing* story modes & replay value. To the point that I never purchased any DLC for either games. Their story modes are significantly better then DBFighters in my opinion. I just really liked seeing my favorite DB characters interact.

[@slayertakim1]

play unist

[@illicitbike2782]

Fighting games never really had importance in story value which is why most fighting games like DBFZ and MKX have a more rushed story but had interactions between characters like Goku and Vegeta for Dragonball and Scorpion and Sub-Zero in Mortal Kombat. Some of the DLC charaters can be unlocked in DBFZ like some fatalities and brutalities can be found in the Crypt in MKX it does take time and of course you can buy them but companies been doing the for years tho most notoriously Asura's Wrath on Xbox 360 where the ending part of the game was behind a $20 cost. Games that were fighting that as amazing story and replay value was what Nathaniel Clark said and was Injustice 1 & 2 mostly because they were comics before games and had that as a background.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

"Is it dead?" SteamDb: 6 players in-game right now.

[@Blackie-Chan]

you forgot about that leaked mvci esports video detailing what plans capcom had for the game. It left a bad taste in peoples mouth after SFV

[@Stumblebee]

Yep! I was going to put that in, but just couldn't find the video. Of course the day I upload it I find it almost immediately after. It's weird to look back at what could have been. They had a lot of plans to run this game alongside SFV in the Capcom Cup.

[@pizzahighfive2612]

That video needs to become famous

[@rmn0019]

@@pizzahighfive2612 link pls

[@kamatariedgar3603]

I want to feel even more sad, please a link!!

[@keystone5750]

I haven’t seen the video, can anyone sum it up?

[@koala83r72]

Finally a video that actually did research. MVCI already was in a grave that SFV dug out. Everything else just dug it deeper. SFV's gameplay/system is already next level fraudulent & props to Mahvel community keeping it real and sinking Capcom's nonsense before they ruin more fighting games.

[@austinreed7343]

X Tekken already laid the ground work.

[@LightningCayo]

No Deadpool in McVI sucks too. He’s a more popular character now then he ever was before. It sucks. The year’s 2019, and I picked MvCI up. It’s surprisingly fun, and I’m enjoying using Zero the most

[@Guyverman01]

Disney/Marvel really let their wounded pride get the better of them by deciding to not include X-men characters in the game.

[@DSLightning21]

Wolverine was missing from this game, and Yamcha carried over the Berserker Barrage and Tornado Claw to DBFZ. ;)

[@davyt0247]

And Nintendo literally brought *every single character* for Smash Ultimate

[@aarontaylor7150]

I Rather stick with MvsC 2 thanks

[@olivermisbach2454]

"I'd like to see this series to continue to infinity and beyond" Capcom Vs. Pixar! Let's go!

[@kdknight1297]

A fighting game with Pixar characters? I'd play it :D

[@carlosdmtz13]

I would love to beat Marvel characters like Thanos with Woody.

[@ChocolateKuruma]

Try that on my Flik.

[@SamuraiJim09]

I am so glad I'm not the only one who wants that to be real when I heard that!

[@hernandeznestor7685]

shut down MVC series and revive Capcom vs SNK

[@Foopaa2]

I was knew I wasn't the only one thinking that.

[@firobattle4010]

Shutting down MvC? WTF NO! Reviving Capcom vs SNK? Hell yeah!

[@easter_god]

I want mvc and capcom vs snk

[@ephemera-noctourniquet]

Hell yeah

[@amingo9100]

I don't think we will ever see that crossover again because of how companies work nowadays. This is true love we makin' wont comeback guys :(

[@KTP200]

we poverty now

[@Stumblebee]

Lets get with the Melty community and they can show us how to run mvci tourneys out of the bathrooms

[@DuvJones]

Don't laugh, it might come to that.

[@geasslelouch]

@@Stumblebee excuse me sir we play on trash cans!

[@JameboHayabusa]

TBF I've actually played melty blood from a bathroom.....

[@ArcadeStriker]

hey abbock snooping as usual I see Long time no see man, would be interesting to play Melty with ya, or see you around Naruto GNT again

[@billbolt9458]

more like marvel vs capcom FINITE

[@Kat-Kobold]

i feel like this comment is really underappreciated

[@TheDarkestMarcus]

Lol!

[@TheALVINtaker]

More like Marvel vs. Capcom INCOMPLETE

[@Godzillarex]

Great overview of the whole drama surrounding this game. I personally bought it just because they brought Venom back as a playable character, but am sad to see that the online presence on Steam is virtually non existent. Basically left playing against the computer and that's it.

[@portalsofmadnes]

Godzillarex I always see people online...

[@jdmdrew575]

Not true at all on ps4 there is always people online

[@wrath_the_bloody]

Agreed, I don't even wait 2 sec before I am matched with someone

[@aaronm8143]

@@keirgt2289 I enjoyed the game (it was my first mvc game though after I got my first xbox in 8 years) But lack of online it was made me sell it. I was so excited to get it too :/

[@almightygod87]

This is one of the reasons to get fighting games for PS4 instead because Fighting games on PC usually die out in a week or 2 unless they have crossplay on it

[@FlySly757]

I literally play MvC2 on Reicast, just about everyday. A tablet & a PS3 controller, never played any newer releases in the franchise, but. I was wondering why I feel so comfortable with this game/rom in general. Had no idea it was arguably much better, aside from its retro glory. AMAZING vid! I'm so glad I got to see and learn more about a game I truly love. ✌✌🙏

[@kira-dk2mx]

If they included Squirrel Girl, I would've loved if they made her one of the strongest characters in the game as a callback to her unbelievable history of beating big baddies in the lamest ways possible.

[@wika1984]

Anyone else sitting here waiting for Capcom vs Snk 3?

[@truearea53]

ME!

[@portalsofmadnes]

Y_u_no_ Come nah. It will be generic 3D with ugly bug eyed character models,smaller roster and slower clunky gameplay. No thanks.

[@truearea53]

+portalsofmadnes 1. What if it's 2-D? 2. And if it was 3-D, Disney isn't a part of SNK nor capcom( unless Disney buys both) then I'm sure that the 3D model designs won't be disgusting as the MvCI. But the faces models on KOF14 doesnt look right, but ain't as bad as infinite.

[@StrifeXCosplay]

I want a capcom vs tatsunoko 2 I wanna play as speed racer xD

[@yankeblugenes547]

As long as SNK is making it.

[@prodbykenshi304]

The difference between mvci and Fighterz is when something is for the money and for the fans

[@nurse425]

WELL SAID!!!!

[@steatopigeon]

Still won't play MvCI until they man up and add Lawyerman in again >:( Phoenix needs justice.

[@cachanilla1375]

This game is dead, capcom dont give a shit about mvs infinite, they did the same think they did to street fighter 1

[@SlickRick4EVER]

I thought Phoenix Wright sucked as a playable character.... UNTIL I saw someone actually play him right and OMG ... the dude is a BEAST!!!!

[@ricky-sanchez]

@@cachanilla1375 Marvel's fault, not capcom. I bet they would have put everyone from mvc3: ultimate, plus new folks. Corporate war hurts alot of things.

[@Viva_Reverie]

Everybody has different reasons detailing why they didn't like MvCI, my personal biggest gripe was the presentation and the bad post-launch support... Which is such a shame because previous titles nailed those. MvC3 did everything so much better presentation-wise and it made it so much more fun to watch, even if MvCI gameplay-wise was so much more fun to play from an objective "gameplay-focused" standpoint. Although I hate UMvC3's balance issues (Vergil), stupidly long inescapable combos (lack of mega-crash-esque ability), and prominence of irritating assists (Doom), I will always choose it because although it has those issues, it _feels_ so much better just based on the characters you can play and the presentation alone. MvC3 presentation but with MvCI gameplay would be like a dream to me.

[@StryderK]

Story of Capcom? SF V was outsold by Pokken on the Wii U. Warp to MvC:I.....It was outsold by.......Drumroll please...By Pokken DX on the Switch.....Basically, the same Nintendo Pokémon themed fighter outsold both Capcom's two biggest fighting franchises!!! That say something!

[@pizzahighfive2612]

Don't forget the failures of sfXtkkn. Capcom after 2010 is utter shit

[@kickassssnation027]

@Wyatt The Creator he was talking about Street Fighter V and MvCI not outselling Pokken not DBFZ.

[@earlyman7439]

Fighting games usually sell worst on nintendo consoles than others.

[@kickassssnation027]

@@earlyman7439 which goes to show how utter shit MvCI is.

[@earlyman7439]

@@kickassssnation027 all fighting games sell worst than on other consoles. MVCI is trash but pokken also outsold tekken tag 2. Nintendo fans just like nintendo games more, I guess.

[@Dyndase-29]

MvC: Infinite could be used for publicity when Avenger 4 premiers.

[@CAsnowman]

I legit can’t stand that they made this game all about the mcu and shit honestly that’s what totally killed it for me I was looking forward to something like mvc3

[@jsn1547]

Marvel and Disney need to leave Capcom alone and allow them to make a MvC game with whatever characters they want to use.

[@capplayer8399]

Like Capcom all stars.

[@jsn1547]

@Bret Hart they did not "foot" the bill. They licensed their characters to capcom.

[@jsn1547]

@Bret Hart I don't work for capcom or Disney and I'm guessing you don't as well seeing as how Vancouver just closed and has nothing to do with MvCi. This isn't a matter of budget. The game simply didn't sell as expected, and it was shelved from further development. The same thing happened to Sf x tekken, and I doubt namco had anything to do with their budget as well.

[@Morrigan101]

"Capcom doesn't have the budget and you know it especially after just losing 45 million dollars while closing down the Vancouver studio. " >ignoring the fact that Monster Hunter World is the best selling capcom title ever >ignoring the fact SFV is stil selling well >ignoring the fact RE7 did good >ignoring the fact the REmake re-release did good >ignoring the fact those 2 made RE2make possible sure no budget it has nothing to do with the fact that Dead Rising studio screwed it up in 4

[@jsn1547]

@Bret Hart See this is when talking out of your ass goes wrong. 1: I said "I don't work for capcom or Disney and I believe you don't either" so how in the world did you decide that this game is Disney funded with no evidence to back it up with? The closing of Capcom Vancouver holds no weight here because A. MvCI wasn't made there and B. The studio just shut down six days ago. So please explain how a game that came out a year ago, can be effected by Vancouver's 2018 closing? Answer: you're talking out of your ass. Here's what we know: "Capcom announced the closure of the studio in September 2018, cancelling Dead Rising titles in the works and moving other development to their Japan-based studios." ...nope...nothing to do with MvCI at all. 2: Capcom has NEVER stated that Disney gave them money to create mvci. The ONLY thing we know for sure is : "Capcom initially lost the use of the Marvel license in 2012, after The Walt Disney Company decided to focus on self-publishing its own gaming titles; however, Capcom was able to reacquire the license after Disney dissolved its console publishing division." Can I get a reacquired license amen. So now that we've actually did a bit of reading, what's the common practice for a game such as this you ask? Gee! I don't know, character licensing perhaps!? Like I said already? Even though I don't work there? Yea like almost every other crossover game. Sure makes sense right? No matter what the budget was, MvCi failed because of Capcoms shady business practices, horrible PR and lack of clarity towards the future of this game. Case closed. Reading is fundamental.

[@foodank_atr817]

Don't have to watch to tell you... No X-Men characters included... Changed the fighting formula too much to appease casual players... Basically MCU Avengers vs Capcom, lame... The character pairings for the story were inconsequential, and the story inclusion was pale compared to Mortal Kombat's presentation... Game was made too basic to push a product out quicker and appeal to more consumers... Lack of modes... Horrible matchmaking... MvC 3 Ultimate was lame with ubiquitous air combos for every character, but I still got it because of the roster...

[@hbk2221]

Everything you said was correct until your flawed opinion on UMvC3. It wasn't lame, That game was solid as fuck. The last great fighting game Capcom ever pulled out.

[@foodank_atr817]

@@hbk2221 it was good, but had none of the nuance and technicality of the 2nd one... The common air combos is just one indication of the slow casualization of the series...

[@st4ne4rmthevill63]

I agree & disagree. I felt MvC3 was a letdown but Ultimate was a nice improvement & I still enjoy the game to this day.

[@illicitbike2782]

@@foodank_atr817 every game have air combos...... Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Tekken (I think but haven't touched the series in a while), and I'm including Dragonball FighterZ because it has air combos. Most fighting games have air combos and removing that is like playing a shooter game but the guns have no ammo and also removing gernades from it as well (CoD and Battlefield come to mind for this example)

[@GiordanDiodato]

at the time, Disney and Fox were in a pissing match, so... not exactly Capcom's fault with not including X-men.

[@Mandalor10]

Because it wasn't good. It came out right after Injustice 2. Because they slashed the roster and took out the X-Men. Just a dumpster fire from day one.

[@courtlaw1]

This video proves that KZbin contains good videos covering any random thing you can come across. Good video. Keep up the good work.

[@dyingbreed5386]

Capcom has been burying themselves since the day they went from unlockable characters to DLC characters. They release games with half the characters locked behind a pay wall and wonder why the non-hardcore players wait for the full game to come out 6 months later. By that time the new release excitement is gone. Once that occurs they are no longer just competing against other new games for your money, they are also competing against other "older" games.

[@TheSamuraiGoomba]

This is the truth. Just look at SFxTekken. It seems like, from that point on, every capcom fighting game has had its roster slashed so capcom could sell more dlc and season passes. Consumers notice things like this and they stay away.

[@DragmaKerp]

As a fan of MVC I passed this game because I felt the roster was too small compared to 3 and that at least 6 fighters were announced as day one DLC.

[@TheMissKittyStar]

I would like to see Tatsunoko vs Capcom happen again, that game was the bomb, perhaps even better than MvC3. I'd also love to see MvC2 again, but thats almost an impossible Oh well =/

[@SleepingWolfGaming]

MissKittyStar FO REAL!!!!!!!!

[@3llenseg60]

EVO 2020, you called it!

[@TheMissKittyStar]

Lance Toth Lol, that was a pretty epic call

[@Nocturne22]

Squirrel Girl, Angela, Medusa, Blade, Daredevil, Silver Surfer, X-Men, Fantastic Four - they had so many options but Marvel didn't use any of them. Capcom also had a boring ass roster that relied way too heavily on the modern stuff instead of using characters from their entire history.

[@DRACOFURY]

The Capcom roster was SOOOOOOOOOOOO 🔥🚮

[@lucafiorentini3396]

They haven't used asura..

[@luisreyes1963]

If i may interject, without the X-Men the MvC series lost its appeal. And yet, i fail to see where would the Fantastic Four would fit in a Marvel vs. Capcom fighting game. To me, they're just gimmicks. As for the Capcom side, stick with the classics, a character like Asura would just ruin the aesthetic of Capcom's veteran roster.

[@ajscrewu]

First 3 characters you named are straight garbage I’m glad you didn’t pick the roster.

[@zeroattentiongaming820]

@@lucafiorentini3396 Probably won't ever see him again. People hate Capcom for the ending controversy. Capcom has a bit of a habit of treating negative reaction to their decisions as the fans just not wanting the entire thing, rather than just not make the same mistake next time.

[@rafnork9325]

The character roster and the lack of 3v3 totally shut it down for me.

[@truearea53]

Same here

[@arthurdurham]

Fighting characters just being functions is the lamest excuse. As a Lee main on Tekken I can promise you his personality and style are the main reasons I main him. A lot of other characters can do similar things, have better options, and his combos are notoriously hard to pull off, but no other character is as "EXCELLENT!" as he is. Enjoying your pick for presentation is a big part of it. It's also idiotic bc then specific IP games wouldn't even exist or do well. According to that logic every fighting game should only be very basic character designs with specitic move sets.

[@CalciumChief]

9:58 Fox NEVER owned the rights to X-Men or FF, they ONLY had movie rights. Marvel always could do literally everything else with these characters: comics, cartoons, games, action figures, stickers, cereal, underwear and Fox wouldn't be able to stop them. It was all about the MCU. Can't put them in a movie? Devalue the living hell out of our own IP, so we can get the movie rights back drit cheap.

[@megamanxhunter]

Not entirely true, the tactic from Disney about the X-Men and Fantastic Four applied also to the comics. The X-Men were sidelined from the Marvel crossover events, the Fantastic Four book was canceled, and let's not forget the period where they were pushing the Inhumans at the X-Men's expense.

[@rianrichardson4297]

13:01 "We hear you...." (Show Strider Hiryu on the screen) Me: Nice....

[@Enigmatism415]

I never thought this was a very appropriate universe crossover. Capcom vs SNK always made more sense and would have had a far more grounded story.

[@themanwhosoldyou9545]

Shut up that's exactly the reason the games were great.

[@Enigmatism415]

@Speed Racer Because people didn't care about story, they just wanted a beautiful flashy button-mashing fight-fest. Capcom vs SNK had a much better, more believable plot for their universes.

[@leecroft1983]

Don't worry, I'm sure Capcom would somehow fuck it up... probably through locked on disc content or pay to own DLC of characters that were originally cut so can be sold later.

[@TheAyanamiRei]

The comment that "It's about the FUNCTION and NOT the Characters" is completely STUPID and INSANE. EX: Imagine telling Racing Fans that ONLY the Function mattered, and replaced a Ferari with a VW Bug that had the same stats, and told them that it was just as good, because it handled the same. Fighting Games are about the CHARACTERS. Yes, Function does play a large part in how popular those characters are, but at the end of the day, the average player is going to want to play a character they know and like. They want a game where their characters LOOK good, because they're attached to the characters themselves. Many people grew up reading those Comics, Watching Cartoons, playing the Characters in other Games. They know and LOVE those characters, and to steal them away and replace them is a slap in the face.

[@Netherwolf6100]

MvsC2 is still my personal favorite.

[@leecroft1983]

@ProToken 420 Agree. I remember playing it on the Godly Dreamcast back in the day, just amazing.

[@drew8235]

What fascinated me about MVC2 back in the day was just the insane amount of characters in it, and characters you'd likely never heard of. That's the same charm that Smash has always offered. So for MVC Infinite to take a massive step back is a huge failure, despite any good qualities the game may have. I see no reason to play it over MVC2, of 3 for that matter.

[@dachopup8495]

If it ain't broke dont break it and they broke a perfectly fine game all they had to do was update the roster and visuals but NOOOOO!!!

[@troywright359]

they didn't break the GAMEPLAY.

[@unusedname197]

Adding magneto, Jin, Wolverine and a make Darkstalker (talbain, demitri, raptor) would’ve done the trick.

[@apollorock3r244]

03:12 Chun-Li looks better with that face. XD The good news is that this year’s EVO (2020) has Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 returning once again.

[@dragondelsur5156]

WRYYYYYYYYYY

[@Jsslade]

And 3 years later we had UMVC3 at 2023's EVO. Maybe there's still hope after all...?

[@DrEarthwormRobotnik]

I just picked up Infinite since I had a “buy two, get one free” coupon. It’s not a bad game, but the presentation and ESPECIALLY the roster needs work.

[@pauldelol]

The presentation is ABSOLUTELY FINE. Don’t get me wrong, UMVC3 had a good art style, but Infinite’s style doesn’t deserve this hate.

[@KnakuanaRka]

What’s especially hilarious about the “form over function” thing is that he said it about Marvel vs Capcom, aka a game with two cash cow franchises mashed up, where nerds and gamers from all over the spectrum are going to fall in love with the IP and the famous characters. So yeah, with how much MvC is sold on its IPs, it is absolutely the worst game possible to make that sort of comment about.