A Lot Has Happened in A.I. Let’s Catch Up.

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5 ай бұрын

Thursday marked the one-year anniversary of the release of ChatGPT. A lot has happened since. OpenAI, the makers of ChatGPT, recently dominated headlines again after the nonprofit board of directors fired C.E.O. Sam Altman, only for him to return several days later.
But that drama isn’t actually the most important thing going on in the A.I. world, which hasn’t slowed down over the past year, even as people are still discovering ChatGPT for the first time and reckoning with all of its implications.
Tech journalists Kevin Roose and Casey Newton are hosts of the weekly podcast “Hard Fork (www.nytimes.com/column/hard-fork) .” Roose is my colleague at The Times, where he writes a tech column called “The Shift. (www.nytimes.com/column/the-shift) ” Newton is the founder and editor of Platformer (www.platformer.news/) , a newsletter about the intersection of technology and democracy. They’ve been closely tracking developments in the field since well before ChatGPT launched. I invited them on the show to catch up on the state of A.I.
We discuss: who is - and isn’t - integrating ChatGPT into their daily lives, the ripe market for A.I. social companions, why so many companies are hesitant to dive in, progress in the field of A.I. “interpretability” research, and America’s “fecklessness” that cedes major A.I. benefits to the private sector, and much more.
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Import AI (jack-clark.net/) by Jack Clark.
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Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.
You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast (www.nytimes.com/column/ezra-k...) , and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-... (www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-...) .
This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Emefa Agawu and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Sonia Herrero.

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@buzzwashere1
@buzzwashere1 5 ай бұрын
Great episode! Please revisit this topic regularly.
@dougirvin2413
@dougirvin2413 5 ай бұрын
Great show Ezra! I'm a retired Corrections Officer. Towards the end of my career my Department adopted a new prisoner count program ( very important software for a prison!) It was terrible! One day I was complaining about it when my Captain walked into my cell block and pointed out that all the computer science grads who got good grades either went to work in Silicon Valley or Wall Street so who did that leave us with?...Good point Capt.!!!
@TheWingjammer
@TheWingjammer 5 ай бұрын
happy you are back Ezra!
@chrisrecord5625
@chrisrecord5625 5 ай бұрын
Well, there is sure to be a George Santos bot that is your personal assistant, therapist, and comic relief even if he is in jail.😉😉
@speciesofspaces
@speciesofspaces 5 ай бұрын
Odd conversation in the sense of "I keep waiting for it to..." but the fact is the changes are happening and not only that but are being deployed. I worry some of us are looking at this through the Hollywood narrative lens and not the more mundane constantly experimenting and into the wild lens where being "convinced" isn't from any one thing or even a single category of a big thing but instead more like automobile advancement where the subtle changes have profound societal impacts and unintended consequences. In this case it is much, much faster and less about a mechanical difference of the future and one about cognizers and what that means for humans and machines etc. This last point is still not so well established which is cognizers as they do come in all shapes and sizes from simple living examples to more complex ones is a bridge between where we normally think the living and nonliving share space and communicate from. The "assistant" is first gen for sure but from the looks of it in a few short years the assistant could very well be the associate etc. But as was remarked the "embodied intelligences" folks are still around and it is also still emerging in the same AI field etc.
@videob1962
@videob1962 5 ай бұрын
I think you're wrong about China's (lack) of AI progress. Baidu's model is multimodal, and outscores GPT-4 in some benchmarks. Its just not reported in the west, and some reports about it are supressed and / or censored.
@PaulHigginbothamSr
@PaulHigginbothamSr 4 ай бұрын
This is exactly what one would think would happen as ai reaches near human capability. This is a surface kerfluffle. Meaning not critical to ai itself. When llms reach beyond human capabilities in some aspects but not others means it does not yet have a human personality. By that I mean what the level of the unit is capable of. Very limited in scope really but when all the internet is fitted into rapid access ability many things happen to make the human think it has feelings it is incapable of, like cat owners anthropomorphising it's love and thinking ability. Remember a cat will consume you if food is unavailable.
@EricJohnson-lo7mj
@EricJohnson-lo7mj 5 ай бұрын
Expect an AI-enabled black swan event to happen sometime, if not sooner then later. LLMs exhibit far too many edge cases to make them reliably "safe". This problem will amplify as the number of parameters increases; in the near future, the number of parameters in LLMs will increase exponentially. Under these conditions, the prospect that an unsafe output will escape the safeguards in such systems is a mathematical certainty. Many ways to deliberately circumvent such safeguards have already been demonstrated. The real existential risk does not necessarily come from LLMs themselves, but in how such systems can amplify the misapplication or misuse of other technologies. The rule of unintended consequences plays a large part here, not just diabolical pots by supervillians. Combine ever-larger LLMs with other AI models such as AlphaFold... I think that's enough AI nightmare fuel for now.
@KlausAdler-rh6hk
@KlausAdler-rh6hk 5 ай бұрын
My worries for Cyber are attacks on SKADA SYSTEMS
@KlausAdler-rh6hk
@KlausAdler-rh6hk 5 ай бұрын
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@KlausAdler-rh6hk
@KlausAdler-rh6hk 5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😊😮 Much oucouvvoj
@KlausAdler-rh6hk
@KlausAdler-rh6hk 5 ай бұрын
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@KlausAdler-rh6hk
@KlausAdler-rh6hk 5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😊😮 Much coco’s mucouchcoj😊mgkvumbnvihihkb
@Bennahr_Fett
@Bennahr_Fett 5 ай бұрын
Fuq 2022 and 2023, Lets Roar for 2024
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 5 ай бұрын
"There's an epidemic of loneliness in this country and I think there is a real possibility those people would find comfort, and delight, and joy in talking to these AI based companions." Rings of: "You will own nothing and be happy." These people at these elitist institutions want us trapped in lives with no property, no power, no loved ones, no relationships, no churches, no jobs, no future. Why are they even keeping us around? Do they need us for batteries like in the Matrix?
@parkerault2607
@parkerault2607 5 ай бұрын
Pesky human rights laws prevent them from disposing of you entirely, so taking all of your stuff and making you harmless is their next best option.
@schrecksekunde2118
@schrecksekunde2118 5 ай бұрын
of course research can tell you why they vary ! they can't tell you why the ai chose that wording but why it says that - of fucking course! 🙄
@schrecksekunde2118
@schrecksekunde2118 5 ай бұрын
the person waiting for ai to do something better than a doctor clearly doesn't understand the function of ai nor the limitations. a thermostat is ai and doesn't do shit better but automatically. that's what ai does and is for at the moment.
@seanrobinson6407
@seanrobinson6407 5 ай бұрын
Keep telling yourself that.
@behrensf84
@behrensf84 5 ай бұрын
Chat GPT is no fun. Every time you ask it something it gives you a 100 word disclaimer of woke bla bla bla.... I just asked Chat GPT to talk like the Queen of England, pretend that it had converted to Rastafarianism and describe her new day to day, and its like talking to a lawyer.
@berniemadoff9688
@berniemadoff9688 5 ай бұрын
Saving a doctor "several hours a day". I simply don't believe the anecdote. "New AI Biotech companies spinning up everyday" Another unsubstantiated claim. My B.S detector is redlining with these guys. Feels like these people are hypemen for an AI boxer. Outside of the coder tidbit. Seems like not much has changed . I appreciate the questions Ezra asks.
@dubhd4r4
@dubhd4r4 5 ай бұрын
Recent AI advancements have been overhyped and overblown, but there have been real substaintial advancements. As a researcher, I get to see the technology grow from infancy. We're still in early early stages, however it's not hard to imagine these technologies getting a bit better and there being some broad applications. There is a big difference between the people looking at it from the math side (most AI researchers) and the wierd AGI Sigularity machine (most business people).
@berniemadoff9688
@berniemadoff9688 5 ай бұрын
@@dubhd4r4 That is very helpful perspective. Thank you.
@canadiangemstones7636
@canadiangemstones7636 5 ай бұрын
Doctors using AI = people dying. Horrible idea.
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 5 ай бұрын
My boomer mom just bought my boomer dad a TV because it said "NOW WITH AI!" on the sticker.
@wegder
@wegder 5 ай бұрын
How do our Islamic Masters feel about AI?
@EmperorShang
@EmperorShang 5 ай бұрын
COPIUM
@DylanYoung
@DylanYoung 5 ай бұрын
Ok, but can you actually cover the subject of the video? No wonder NYT is sinking. Do you have no one on staff with computing literacy? Leaving before 10 minutes.
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