"A lot of innocent people suffer." - Mehdi and Owen on America's decline, JD Vance, and EU hypocrisy

In the latest episode of ‘Two Outspoken’, Mehdi and Owen talk through what this historic period in American history means - what many are calling the decline of the U.S.. From how it resembles the former Soviet Union in its dying days; to how Donald Trump - if he wins! - is planning to rebuild the nation in his autocratic image; to the implications around the world for human rights and international law, especially when it comes to Israel and Palestine.
‘Two Outspoken’ is a US-UK political conversation between two friends on the left, Owen Jones and Mehdi Hasan.
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[@abdullahsiraj3217]

Isreal does not have the right to cut off food, water, medicine etc to one million children in GAZA as collective punishment

[@gcro9206texanforever]

It is worse than despicable!!! And a war crime which needs to be prosecuted.

[@User1_2_3_4]

The world keep silent except the protesters. I guess they are the ones taking high moral ground.imagine cutting off food, water, internet, medicines knowing children are suffering.

[@zdrusse11]

That's a pretty bold statement there. Next you're gonna say killing people is bad.

[@patriziacasagrande3833]

Israel is a rogue state founded as a settler colonial invader state that can not obey laws or it could not continue to plunder Palestine conquesting new territory. those who gave away the Palestinian lands were never Palestinians or owers of the land.

[@burninghard]

If the UN and the ICJ had actually some power to enforce international human rights the prison cells would be full with Western world leaders.

[@lananasir8221]

Two intelligent,brilliant,and out spoken journalists that I can’t get enough of 👏love you both ☮️🇵🇸

[@nikzniky]

Most if not all of the elected representatives of the USA and other complicit COUNTRIES/GOVERNMENTS should be investigated for corruption and all other relevant charges NOW!!! They are CLEARLY have been bought and owned by Beebee n Izzzrahell, not just recently but unsurprisingly at all if this has been going on for decades!! It’s so obvious that this master & slave relationship between Izzzrahell n the USA has been profitable for the corrupted politicians and the billionaires businessmen (technology, weapons etc etc etc). Great!! These bunches of selfish, greedy and immoral people and their long lines of descendants will continue to become richer while MOST Americans (AND OTHER NATIONS TOO!) are getting poorer and broke by the day and foreseeable to be ceased from existence!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!! 🇺🇸 WAKE UP WORLD!!!!! 🌏

[@sineadadamus2099]

🙌

[@abdiqaniahmad]

I COME HERE TO TAKE BREAK FROM THE HYPOCRISY OF WESTERN MEDIA THANK YOU GUYS FOR TELLING TRUTH & BEING HONEST

[@ninsemor]

same here

[@Userjunior2016]

Same for me

[@simonsteen-andersen3181]

Same same

[@nikzniky]

Most if not all of the elected representatives of the USA and other complicit COUNTRIES/GOVERNMENTS should be investigated for corruption and all other relevant charges NOW!!! They are CLEARLY have been bought and owned by Beebee n Izzzrahell, not just recently but unsurprisingly at all if this has been going on for decades!! It’s so obvious that this master & slave relationship between Izzzrahell n the USA has been profitable for the corrupted politicians and the billionaires businessmen (technology, weapons etc etc etc). Great!! These bunches of selfish, greedy and immoral people and their long lines of descendants will continue to become richer while MOST Americans (AND OTHER NATIONS TOO!) are getting poorer and broke by the day and foreseeable to be ceased from existence!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!! 🇺🇸 WAKE UP WORLD!!!!! 🌏

[@John_O_Connor]

Same here!

[@jeanberry802]

Keep exposing the hypocrites of the west.

[@nikzniky]

Most if not all of the elected representatives of the USA and other complicit COUNTRIES/GOVERNMENTS should be investigated for corruption and all other relevant charges NOW!!! They are CLEARLY have been bought and owned by Beebee n Izzzrahell, not just recently but unsurprisingly at all if this has been going on for decades!! It’s so obvious that this master & slave relationship between Izzzrahell n the USA has been profitable for the corrupted politicians and the billionaires businessmen (technology, weapons etc etc etc). Great!! These bunches of selfish, greedy and immoral people and their long lines of descendants will continue to become richer while MOST Americans (AND OTHER NATIONS TOO!) are getting poorer and broke by the day and foreseeable to be ceased from existence!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!! 🇺🇸 WAKE UP WORLD!!!!! 🌏

[@docholiday8029]

Love both you guys Truth to power! Anti genocide!!

[@Trekfanwanda]

Justice for Gaza !

[@danaplaczek9664]

Two of my favourite KZbin journalists, together!

[@sm8315]

Owen and Mehdi, people like you give average people like us a lot of courage

[@mhmdsarar6980]

Great journalism 👏

[@veronicavarela2041]

What a treat to listen to these two amazing people❤

[@eagle43257]

Two legends

[@MehmoodAbdulGaffor]

The two lions for justice and freedom may god protect them both

[@jeffhicks8428]

Two idiots on issues way bigger than Palestine, but hey they get that vaguely right so let's listen to them.

[@Contextualiser16-tn8nd]

I see 1 lion for justice in Mehdi and a grifting champagne socialist in jones

[@9UaYXxB]

@@Contextualiser16-tn8nd He puts his balls on the line week in and week out, he's reported from warzones. And he lines up facts like courses of bricks, his convictions are bone deep. Whereas you ? You run your smug mouth.

[@PauloAdriano-zo2ng]

​@@Contextualiser16-tn8nd Champagne Socialist 🙄🤔😅😂🤣

[@robertjsmith]

@@jeffhicks8428smunt

[@flyingsquirrel111]

Owen and Mehdi have a great dynamic, especially in this episode. Mehdi does a stand up job of representing the voice of realism while Owen expresses the general discontent and frustration that's been growing among the youth and far left. Fantastic back and forth, guys.

[@ASinghJ91]

Owen jones is a bastard that need to be punished

[@jackkazinsky290]

I want a new episode of two outspoken every day please

[@MargotBeauter]

Merci à vous deux chers frères qui malgré toutes les pressions , vous continuez à résister et à défendre les opprimés de ce monde si bas ❤❤❤

[@nikzniky]

Most if not all of the elected representatives of the USA and other complicit COUNTRIES/GOVERNMENTS should be investigated for corruption and all other relevant charges NOW!!! They are CLEARLY have been bought and owned by Beebee n Izzzrahell, not just recently but unsurprisingly at all if this has been going on for decades!! It’s so obvious that this master & slave relationship between Izzzrahell n the USA has been profitable for the corrupted politicians and the billionaires businessmen (technology, weapons etc etc etc). Great!! These bunches of selfish, greedy and immoral people and their long lines of descendants will continue to become richer while MOST Americans (AND OTHER NATIONS TOO!) are getting poorer and broke by the day and foreseeable to be ceased from existence!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!! 🇺🇸 WAKE UP WORLD!!!!! 🌏

[@sherifabdelrazek7460]

Mehdi Hassan, the absolute best debater ever!!

[@mn-ru4li]

Hero worship is the best kind of worship

[@nabeelz4977]

Daf*k you saying​@@mn-ru4li

[@John_O_Connor]

@@mn-ru4lihe is not worshipping. Nothing wrong in expressing views.

[@elmerkarlsson5005]

My two favorite journalists working together is great!

[@rabiisa2511]

Absolutely!

[@cpnd]

OMG!!!!! OWEN AND MEDHI!

[@KhunRoger]

I know! What a perfect pair!❤

[@mn-ru4li]

I came as well

[@treelight1707]

Anytime I see BOTH in one clip, I click with lightning speed.

[@syedraza3128]

Best pair going.. please bring Bassem on to this shoe Owen needs to have a laugh...

[@queens1963]

You guys should be doing this more often. 2 weeks is too long. You guys are a breath of fresh air for speaking the truth.

[@Bdestiny933]

These 2 are my favorite youtubers rn

[@staticcouch135]

I would rather listen to outspoken than anything else with my morning coffee. Thank you for showing us we have a sane media.

[@mhmdsarar6980]

I love both of you ♥️

[@happymusicschool-it1qc]

❤️🍉🇵🇸✌️✊️🇵🇸🍉❤️

[@williamolsen20]

We need to get money out of politics, I think that would help save democracy. I don’t know if that is the only thing, but it is a huge problem in our political system.

[@larabraver]

You're absolutely correct; it really is.

[@simonsteen-andersen3181]

Two of the finest thruth-tellers in conversation,- double great shattering the double speak!

[@fajlarabbikhan]

The ongoing issue of "Quota Protest" in BANGLADESH. more than 200 students were killed and 10000 students were injured by the ruling party AWAMI LEGUE. this is the dictatorial movement. MAHDI we need your attention.

[@Bwahzehdezooner]

Great point about the Germans, Owen. Spot on.

[@SalahUddinDM]

You two are doing amazing work. Thank you guys.

[@rudebee15]

Glad this guy didn't get canceled by corporate media.

[@edprince753]

he did get sacked from his corporate media role when he dared to speak out against Israeli genocide to his guests

[@corvacopia]

@@edprince753he technically wasn’t fired, he had his show not get renewed-or cancelled, functionally-and decided to quit the network rather than remain a contributor (but the broader point is the same as what you’re saying)

[@saberaahsan3287]

You two are my absolute heroes... ...

[@DrustZapat]

It’s so easy to equate anarchy with chaos, but no one ever looks at strict, static hierarchy as the cause for countless examples of chaos and suffering the world over.

[@bmanagement4657]

Communism and anarchism argue for simple hierarchy while capitalism and libertarianism argue for complex hierarchies.

[@user-em6ie2be7x]

JD Vance literally admitting he'd stage a coup for Trump if given the opportunity. Not someone you want anywhere near the levers of power.

[@MattMajcan]

the alternative is a party that hasnt run the candidate the voters wanted since 2012

[@markd.9538]

If Trump gets elected, Vance would only be one heartbeat away from the presidency. Let that thought sink in…

[@roofdogblues7400]

@@markd.9538 Wouldn't be surprised if they already have plans to that end...

[@KhalidKhan-fs5to]

Mehedi, kindly cover the brutal crackdown by Bangladesh government on its students and general public. 200 people have been killed, thousands injured, hundreds arrested and God knows how many missing. I suggest that you invite a government spokesperson and expose them to the international community. 170 million people will thank you.

[@dental.floss.tycoon61]

As far as Germany is concerned: more and more citizens are fleeing in disgust from the parties of the “bourgeois center” to the right (stupid idea) or the left. Whereupon horrified politicians with innocent faces complain about increasing extremism. And that is the most disgusting thing of all.

[@vonfloryanzia138]

Owen I gotta let you know when you said "people earn their poverty" . I never thought about it like that. That was a powerful statement in my estimation.💫

[@sofinabegum6785]

Two of my favourite journalists 😊

[@benzell4]

Thank Mehdi and Owen!

[@nikolasb2933]

Tax the rich and give back to the poor. CRISIS AVERTED.

[@khadijapatel2699]

Respect both of you 🙏 for hard work & time

[@mirandapillsbury7885]

Oh I LOVE this collab. Please make sure that you guys make like 100 episodes at the minimum

[@smaugwarriors5543]

❤ this. So glad Mehdi is doing his thang. Great Guest. ❤️

[@alihelmy9419]

Kudos to you both! Free Palestine 🇵🇸 from occupation.

[@JunaidAsmal]

Good man Owen,his a keeper hassan)

[@madeleinethan2694]

Hey Guys!!! 👏🏽👏🏽

[@jjb.6152]

Love ZetOwen!

[@coletteboylan6282]

What a duo!!

[@DreamingRobots]

These guys have done well in the current system. A growing number have nothing to lose. Don’t criticize desperate people for wanting desperate change, bring them change and then maybe they’ll listen to you.

[@Videomorgue]

Unfortunately, that's all you're going to get from these two. They seem comfortable enough to not understand that substantial suffering has and is currently happening. The fact that they're doing fine is of little concern to the rest of Americans.

[@corvacopia]

Desperate change is needed, but not just any change will do, change can be for the better or for the worse and we should be careful about which path we’re going down

[@Judgingopression]

We love listening to both of you very intelligent and informative shows, keep up with your great work and fighting for humanity❤

[@colinwhitfield8627]

Well. If ANY two people could convince me to not light the final match....its these two.

[@ryanisbelle6107]

Two men who have never gone hungry in their lives urging restraint from the starving.

[@iwatchwithnoads7480]

Kamala won't fix anything. Rather I'd say voting for Trump and Jill Stein will force dems to reform or perpetually lose

[@staticcouch135]

I swear I was one of the ones that was saying I’m here for the bonfire but after listening to them, my brain cells are doing a little more reasoning into the aftermath. 😂

[@Videomorgue]

Their lives are too comfortable to risk changing the system. This was close to being a Blue-Anon podcast.

[@staticcouch135]

@@ryanisbelle6107Also a good point.

[@khrfx4715]

America would NEVER recover from Trump.

[@mhairsto24]

Why, How??

[@links2349]

He was already president for 4 years

[@donnavorce8856]

Haven't yet. That creature stirred up the muck and continues to do so. This one thing taking up space and tying the justice system into a pretzel.

[@mhairsto24]

@links2349 I want TRUMP to win and tear down everything. The Democrats get support from black people at an 80% clip, but do stuff for every other group (Trans, white women, immigrants in America illegally), that needs to change today.

[@khrfx4715]

@@mhairsto24 If you don't know the answer than you haven't read Project2025, which is his and his cronies roadmap for the destruction of the federal government. If you have read it and are happy about it then you hate America.

[@thairk]

Great programme!

[@mooncalf191]

It's without question that a lot of innocent people will suffer. A lot of people are suffering now, and it will absolutely get worse in the future. Can't change that at this point, only attempt to minimize. I'm far from convinced the continued existence of the present system is the path of least suffering.

[@carloa2500]

I agree and the least suffering for whom? why should some suffer and others not.

[@Userjunior2016]

I agree

[@ryanisbelle6107]

You have to make the comfortable uncomfortable. Imagine a room full of people stuck in a room with a child who's screaming for their toy. They will be mad at the child at first. But after enough time, they will be absolutely begging for anyone to please give the kid his toy. Anything to make it stop.

[@Videomorgue]

Exactly. Things are going well for people like Medi, so protecting the status quo is his primary goal. Those who can't afford food housing and transportation are less worried about his comfort.

[@staticcouch135]

Same here. Honestly by going for Kamala we are all just saying that we will keep the status quo as long as the other party can produce a lunatic to keep us afraid. The British went third party and actually made a statement. It took lunatics running the country for them to actually have a significant shift. Why not we do the same.

[@oblomofff]

Thank you both! ❤

[@danielhutchinson7073]

Righteous video. Truthful conversation. Never get that in parliament.

[@slampersand3145]

My friend made a good joke when we were discussing the evil eyes. J.D. Delivervance 😅

[@twitwit99]

The system is burning itself down.

[@laurieromano4311]

Two of my favorites! Keep up your good work!

[@jaimehart5108]

OH NO! Say it isn’t so. Not a month long break from Mehdi! Zeteo is where rational, competent people, able to think critically, come to drink from the well of truth and fact in the face of staggering hasbara narratives. But I know you desperately need the break in order to be able to stay the course as things get crazier and crazier as the election looms. ❤❤❤

[@TravisRiver]

Mehdi, neoliberal reformist. Owen doing laps around him here..

[@Shadare]

I might not agree with these 2 on much of anything, but I always appreciate their perspective.

[@Julie-lk7mc]

Since the middle east war iota of racism in USA and UK

[@doaamath1738]

The two legends. Seeing you together gives us hope in this dark time.

[@Winfield88]

Owen ?????? A Deranged Reject : Jewish Person Hater - Are You one Too

[@HazyWave1974]

@@Winfield88 Take your meds.

[@Hmoney0]

Full employment? Tell that to 20% of people that have given up, retired, or have gone to work several horrible jobs at once

[@omarco3971]

The stats are massaged to make the US look good. If you’ve given up looking for work after six months, you’re not counted as unemployed. Also, underemployed is also not counted.

[@corvacopia]

They specifically mentioned the working multiple jobs part

[@sabrinayounisaden7238]

❤❤❤Zeteo

[@sondrameyer2816]

What is it called when ambition is placed before what you know to be a clear and present danger and any moral compass? AdVance.

[@spandanbd]

you guys never tell a single thing about the Mass killing of student protesters in Bangladesh 😭😭😭

[@donnavorce8856]

There's too much bad going on. 😢

[@ryanisbelle6107]

You have to make the comfortable uncomfortable. Imagine a room full of people stuck with a child who's screaming for their toy. They will be mad at the child at first. But after enough time, they will be absolutely begging for anyone to please give the kid his toy. Anything to make it stop.

[@Jose-hs4vk]

I downloaded photos from X (Twitter) of dead Palestinians children that were killed by US bombs launched by Israel. These photos are horrific; they show what a bomb does to the body of a child. With more than 38.000 innocent Palestinians killed in Gaza it was not difficult to find them, but I could not find any photos of Israelis’ babies that were decapitated.

[@corvacopia]

Or they’ll throw the child out of the room, that idea works great if there’s only one thing they can do to change the circumstances, but there isn’t

[@akpanekpo6025]

Always a joy to watch you both, however distressing the topics.

[@stavxplz]

Love these two humans ❤❤

[@rafatkhan4288]

Own keep on your excellent work.

[@bub5eet474]

In love with both of you ❤

[@basharabuali5514]

Great conversation

[@Robert-qh3ok]

the dynamic duo...thanks for your perspectives...

[@fitahyo1308]

Thank you

[@french.toastman]

I'm a subscriber and I've just realized I've not been recommended a Zeteo video by YTube in ages. I had to do a search to see what I've missed.

[@EfraKhan-q9e]

Two legends 👏

[@fundidoarrojo269]

Reformism has worked really well...

[@gabrielhanny3149]

See the world for what it is, not what you want it to be

[@unitedbrotherhood7]

I dont know why, but I feel like yt algorithm purposefully doesnt let journalists who criticize israel or us and their interests gain lotta views.

[@odinallfarther6038]

The system is crushing us maintaining it won't help us !

[@LetsGoGetThem]

The ICC has now outlined the apartheid conditions in Palestinian occupied territory, any business doing any business inside of Israel with this ruling are aiding genocide and apartheid, and are culpable.

[@sabinahusain1225]

Brilliant 👏

[@Chowringhee]

Great session, guys. Just discovered. Looking forward to September!

[@mehedihasantalukder2955]

I have been following you and now Zeteo for many years and I love the way you do great research and make analytical videos. I don't know if you're aware that Bangladesh, my homeland is facing a critical time where democracy is getting replaced with dictatorship. Recently, there has been a apolitical movement for abolishment of quota system which in itself harbors discrimination but Government suporessed the movement with iron fist which has left about 200 or more students dead. Don't take my words for it, please do your research and make a video on it. World must know.

[@treefrog3349]

The growing complexity and sophistication of charlatans is a phenomena that needs to be more closely examined. P.T Barnum would be proud of most of our "political class". He said that "suckers are born every minute". I wish he could see us now!

[@justinahole336]

A guy I worked with a couple of years ago said that he wanted to see "just one billionaire dragged through town behind a truck." I told him that I understand the apatite, but I fear it would be like potatoe chips - you're probably not going to stop at one. Sadly, I'm not seeing a future that doesn't include such scenarios.

[@happymusicschool-it1qc]

Starter is a war criminal...lock him up, forever...

[@staticcouch135]

I call him Kid Starver

[@dajoj9730]

Thanks for having Owen on again, he's as good as it gets, BUT his AUDIO, he talks fast with accent he needs perfect audio what can be done to make it better ?

[@paradisecaregiving7126]

Slow the speed to 75% in settings.

[@AliceWatts-d3v]

Ahh it’s lovely to see my 2 favourite people talking politics ✊😊

[@afsinbey1161]

Mehdi hassan the BOSS

[@sassenachdragon]

So we won’t get to see you two talk about the news of the week that you almost predicted? I get that you need a break as entrepreneurs, but the world needs your perspective!! Perhaps you can do an informal conversation related to a different Zeteo program??

[@NumeroSystem]

A better system must be created, from scratch, that renders the current system obsolete due to a lack of participation.

[@donnavorce8856]

Get $$ out of politics would go a long way. Also lobbies.

[@penglim224]

May there be only peace in the world.

[@HellBot-gi5si]

It just laughable that Owen Jones as always allows his bias. Currently right now with NAFTA, America, Canada, and Mexico is now 1/3 of the entire World Economy. Contrary to Jones assertion that America is decline in America is now getting stronger, while the UK, Germany, Russia, and China are all declining economically.

[@americo7965]

Love this duo.

[@tatzenstein]

To say that Israel is looking where it is shooting and bombing makes me cry. Is very painfull what is going in Gaza.

[@moniruzzamankhan8218]

Owen always good. 👍👍👍

[@cherylsibson2529]

Given everything that's happened, I remember when Sammy Davis Jr. used to call men " cats" so unless I heard the explaination, and context, JD Vance from your old boss, I wouldn't have gotten the context. The only way through this, is a Harris/Butigieg ticket. The US is known for diversity and inclusion, taking down walls vs building walls. the place that should be not be named, does not have the right to cut off food. The world deserves freedom from bigotry..

[@abdulkadirmohamed4394]

Respect

[@davidbrandt2610]

Cheer up things could be worse. Sure enough, you cheer up, and things get worse.😂