A monarchist and a republican go head to head

British republicans are stuck in the minority. See both sides to the argument: Graham Smith, who campaigns against the monarchy, and Thomas Mace-Archer-Mills, the chairman of the British Monarchist Society.
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[@herbivorethecarnivore8447]

Putting my opinions on this aside, the monarchist _really_ sounds like someone who would be a monarchist

[@KolibriMert]

I've noticed this sort of thing 3 times, once when I was first told about Monarchism, second when I became a Monarchist and 3rd here, it seems Monarchism and the adaptation into speaking with RP as opposed to the "street speak" that takes up the majority of my home town goes hand in hand.

[@carolinecampbell4032]

Fun fact, that guy is American. Look it up.

[@ornim1]

i.e a bootlicker

[@Alfred_Leonhart]

Gee I wonder why?

[@thegoodlydragon7452]

@@carolinecampbell4032 HA ha ha. I'm American (but a linguistics enthusiast) and I suspected there was something off about his accent. It didn't sound like natural RP, but like somebody with a different native accent trying to put on a fake RP accent.

[@mattfrankman]

The final 7% want absolute monarchy

[@shaywilliamson421]

I do

[@inkigaming4279]

me_irl

[@magnusthered4946]

Me too

[@Alfred_Leonhart]

Even is the monarchy was absolute popular sovereignty still rules and therefore the people rule. I’ll refer to King Charles I and his trial.

[@nathanlauchlan9793]

That's me

[@leningradcowboy2953]

Put a monarchist and an anarchist in a room and watch the fireworks it's awesome

[@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716]

The average anarchist wouldn't last 10 seconds

[@jackreynolds43]

@@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716 OK Ned, I'm sure you have plenty of solid and reasonable points for why we should have a monarchy that aren't "but it makes us british"

[@reismehl63]

@@jackreynolds43 do you know what an anarchist wants? It's not the same as just not wanting monarchy

[@ashenone7649]

Actually anarcho capitalists and monarchistes have great relations

[@Si-vb9up]

@@ashenone7649 anarcho capitalism is anything but anarchism.

[@aproppaknoife5078]

The monarchist guy looks like he calls people a "Delinquent" as an insult.

[@timjones2329]

you mean "delinquent", right?

[@spo666tty]

Thats not even a word.

[@aproppaknoife5078]

Ok fine i spelled it wrong, i was trying to make a joke.

[@xleplex7070]

@@spo666tty Yes it is

[@spo666tty]

@@xleplex7070 he misspelt and then edited the comment. Brainlet alert

[@sambeckinsale7432]

Fun fact: the Monarchist guy (Thomas Mace-Archer-Mills) was actually born Tommy Muscatello in New York

[@ThervingianGoth]

Loyalist from New York here, I wish Britain won the revolutionary war.

[@chillaxo9863]

@@ThervingianGoth nah a united Anglosphere would be better

[@spikethompson2000]

King of Kings & Ruler of Rulers isnt That what would likely happen if Britain won the revolutionary war tho?

[@chillaxo9863]

@@spikethompson2000 kind of but I meant a reunion or reconquest

[@xaviercockerton6989]

@@ThervingianGoth You really don't my guy

[@almcmemeshack8443]

Republicans in America meeting Republicans in England: *say sike right now*

[@chungusmaximus526]

LOOOOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@samdoe3608]

The two probably aren't that different, I'd imagine

[@samdoe3608]

@@shivaspatel2024 that’s weird. Republicans in the US would almost definitely be UK Republicans against the wasteful and antiquated monarchy

[@user-xs4sh6ii3n]

@@shivaspatel2024 No, the Republicans in America are left-wing, but pro-borders. Hence the mix-up. (Democrats in America are neither left-wing nor right-wing, since their political strategy is to enlist all minorities for a vote, and most minorities are more conservative).

[@daniel11ist]

@@user-xs4sh6ii3n you’re ignorant. both parties are right wing capitalists. democrats want a little more of a safety net but they’re rotten too.

[@finleyahmad-hambling5980]

Monarchist: the monarch is apolitical Republicanist: it's a debate about politics Bit of a disconnect not seems

[@emtheslav2295]

It’s because they use unrelated (not inherently bad) arguments

[@elijahgavin6706]

@@emtheslav2295 a debate about monarchy is inherently political, and it is true that politics are infused with feelings, imagery and the like, but at the end of the day it’s far more functional than it is metaphorical

[@Ignisan_66]

The notion that monarchs are apolitical is such a naive bullcrap.

[@hrmpug1092]

@@Ignisan_66 *publicly.

[@keifer7813]

​@@Ignisan_66 Of the highest order. A quick Google search completely dismantles that whole idea

[@TORLBC]

As an American, the monarchy guy sounds and looks like every American stereotype of the British. (And this is coming from a guy with actual English family.)

[@profoundbathroomgraffiti]

Fun fact the monarchy guy's real name is Tommy Muscatello and is actually from New York City. You can Google him or put his name into KZbin (he was on Last Week Tonight)...

[@jameseuwen3253]

Ur black .... how cn u hv english family ?

[@Fleeb-pb7zo]

@@jameseuwen3253 your a bit of an awful person

[@tanyabailey6527]

@@Fleeb-pb7zo how? English blood is white. It's not racist to state facts... we are an ethnic group. Doesn't imply any hate

[@dayviduh]

@@tanyabailey6527 shut it, you Norman

[@bismarck6093]

A monarchist and a republican go head to head. Ireland: Trust me it won't end well

[@arielk2955]

BISMARCKKKK I LOVE YOU

[@kingofohio5689]

Bismark ein Ehrenmann!

[@tiernanwearen8096]

I'm glad you're not here to see Germany today

[@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1]

Both guys at least seem reasonable and civil so fair play to them. Thank goodness we are not in Thailand....

[@thecloudpeoplearecoming399]

Well one is a monarchist so if the video played for more than 2:32 and if you applyed any sort of logic or pressure to his point of view it would sound like the ramblings of a homicidal lunatic

[@vinkietai8283]

And Thai people said "thank goodness we are not in Republic of the union of Myanmar.

[@olidojosephd.9054]

Yes the current Thai king is hated (yet his father is loved), by law, Thailand is a constitutional/limited monarchy but it's more of a "Shogunate" because the king is figurehead & the "army rules!" (Prayut Chan-o-cha) but it's far from failing state like the Republic of Myanmar. Thailand haves same growth as, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, & Vietnam.

[@kristinaz0776]

@@olidojosephd.9054 but I think now Thailand is nearly from falling state.

[@xolg3292]

@@thecloudpeoplearecoming399 Something tells me you aren't a very open-minded person politically

[@justafaniv1097]

The monarchist argument is great until the heir is an idiot, unpopular, or politically active. Queen Elizabeth has been a stable and uniting figurehead, but eventually, be it one or twenty generations from now, someone will be born in direct line to the monarchy who will be unfit, and whether the monarchy can survive that, or whether it should survive that, is highly questionable.

[@BALLARDTWIN]

Justafan IV There's always the uncle, or cousin who can take over my friend and is fit to rule This has happened more then once throughout history

[@mankytoes]

And it's going to be one, not twenty. But I think the monarchy will survive, because of Charles' age. People will just be waiting for him to croak so William, who seems very suitable, can take over.

[@justafaniv1097]

Lord Slashington III, true, but in the past that usually came at the cost of a civil war. While that is unlikely to happen today, there would almost certainly be civil unrest. If the heir has a mental disorder, I could see parliament stepping in being relatively uncontroversial, but what if the heir is political? Half the nation may support the monarch's view, while the other half feels alienated by their sovereign. That is rarely a recipe for stability when the ruler's term limit is for life.

[@yayjuiws4224]

Well republics on the other hand have opposing sides and parties, and both sides have the power to oppose any projects or bills that are being proposed, and the sad fact is that, they oppose it not because it's bad for the nation but it's a disadvantage to the opposite party, and leaders and presidents are being replaced every 4 to 6 years achieving limited successes and achievements. I'm for dictatorships with good governance and transparency, but it's totally impossible since every dictator that had the power abused their authority.

[@SamuelChac0n]

yay juiws "dictatorships with transparency" as you said that's rather utopic, my friend

[@holl4nder]

Minions Fact: Obviously King Bob was a great King during his 8 hour reign on the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, during which he made Banana, the largest imported goods for the UK.

[@Lufex_]

In New Zealand we have the same debate from time to time whether to switch our constitution to that of a Republic or to keep to the Constitutional Monarchy. At the moment there is still a decent amount of support for the monarchy but I think that may change after the Queen dies.

[@anthonywillis7634]

There is a cohesiveness and obligation for each other. The only time NZ should become a republican is when it outgrows GB, which is never.

[@benwilson6145]

I agree, I cannot see Charles being successful

[@joecurran2811]

And the more countries leave the monarchy, the less need Britain has for it

[@joshguest1104]

@@anthonywillis7634 well that just sounds like glorified colonialism to me. Why should a person from britain (who, might I add, isn't even british) be the head if state of a country on the other side of the world? What right does she or her successors have to the title of the NZ, AU or CN sovereign?

[@mumflrpumble9107]

@@joshguest1104 The issue is that you see them as "foreign". The UK is a multinational country and as such has transcended the idea of foreign peoples being separated for a more favourable idea of like-minded peoples being united such as is the case for the Commonwealth Realms.

[@OtterBops]

The monarchist actually has a triple barreled surname. Because of course he does.

[@JCatharticReleaseW]

Hilariously, he's a bred and born American from New York, currently applying for British citizenship. His birth last name is Muscatello, he's an Italian-American. Hollywood would have rejected this script, but of course, reality is far stranger.

[@Silvest3r]

People still believe in illusion of democrazy.

[@sandwitchchan1999]

Democracy better than Putin’s Russia or any dictatorship or absolute monarchy

[@bunceman4613]

'Democracy is the worst sytem of government besides all others'-Winston Churchill. I know he was a monarchist but his words still stand.

[@bunceman4613]

@Buro Dackel I don't see your point. My values are based on the will of the people.

[@bunceman4613]

@Buro Dackel Sure buddy.

[@bunceman4613]

@Buro Dackel How is that relevant to the discussion?

[@steven_003]

I want my Kaiser back. :(

[@will1203]

Steven003 same

[@leopa5881]

I want my emperor back too :(

[@borealis9842]

@@leopa5881 Are you from Brazil?

[@elasmotherium12]

Me too :-(

[@baalsagol346]

I want my king :(

[@ShidaiTaino]

Once a peasant, always a peasant.

[@glossygloss472]

Says the peasant.

[@jarodiking4133]

he knows from experience he cant do anything about it once a peasant always a peasant

[@jamesdyer1476]

You sound like a royal ass kisser

[@GalaxyGal-]

Maybe we should follow what France did in the 18th century then.

[@mine9120]

republic : born a peasant die a president

[@doesnotexist305]

I'm American and don't want a monarchy in America (that would be a bit ridiculous since we have no monarchist tradition here whatsoever) but I think monarchies are cool if your country has a history of having them. They are a cultural thing and should be seen as such. The British monarchy does no harm since they can't do anything and they have elected officials who are actually in charge of running the country. So why the fuss?

[@joshuamccarthy3226]

DoesNotExist305 Because in theory they can do something. I wouldn't mind the monarchy as much if their constitutional roles were removed. This Queen has been very responsible in not using her power...we might not be so lucky next time.

[@petercharles8799]

Joshua McCarthy I mean what can they do? If King Charlie decided to go rogue the Parliament would remove him. The monarch can’t dissolve Parliament, dismiss the judiciary, or appoint a PM unilaterally.

[@joshuamccarthy3226]

Peter Charles In theory yes they can. The Queen has used her executive powers around 30 times, mostly trying to stop the Iraq War. Her powers do include dissolving Palrliament and appointing the PM. Parliament in the UK is not Sovereign and so can be removed at will. The Queen and Church is Sovereign.

[@petercharles8799]

Joshua McCarthy I think you will find that the 39 times when consent from the Queen/Charlie was required they were following the advice of ministers. This really is a debate about prerogative powers and the extent they are not codified and are abused by ministers. The Queen did not veto going into Iraq, rather Ministers informed Parliament that the bill did not have permission because it changed prerogative powers and they did not consent to this. Ultimately no PM would now decide no go to war without approval from the Commons, the power has informally shifted. The Queen can’t dissolve Parliament because the Fixed Term Parliament Act has extinguished that royal prerogative. Finally she could appoint anyone PM but considering how the aforementioned Act works, they would need the support of the Commons or they will find their time in office to be very short.

[@mordecaidagalera8070]

DoesNotExist305 you are from UNITED STATES, don't think we want republic in all america, it's ridiculous, South America is naturally monarchist, we don't have monarchies in South America because a lot of coups d'état orchestrated by USA! PS: sorry for my bad english

[@Yamezzzz]

"I cannot lead you into battle. I do not give you laws or administer justice but I can do something else - I can give my heart... and my devotion to these old islands and to all the peoples of our brotherhood of nations. I believe in our qualities and in our strength, I believe that together we can set an example to the world." -Her Majesty The Queen

[@thunderbird1921]

WOW. What a powerful statement!

[@enuma-elise]

She also could give you her money, though, and I bet most would take it over her heart if she gave them a choice

[@dabtican4953]

@@enuma-elise Why would I want that money, I haven't earnt it.

[@enuma-elise]

@@dabtican4953 You have though. All of her money is coming out of your taxes.

[@TheJohnnyCalifornia]

The question that brings up is what sort of example have they actually set. Even with all the advantages provided on the backs of the British public, they’ve still exhibited all the worst qualities of any family without those advantages. Possibly it may even be their position that has enabled their deficiencies or limited any personal achievement any one of them might have aspired to.

[@paianis]

1:30 That made me lol

[@Copium6921]

He clearly doesn't get the idea of a constitutional monarchy and that is simply 1 of the monarchist arguments also casually going to forget the last time Britain was a republic they started a dictatorship and banned Christmas i don't trust out politicians with any more power than they have now we have a speaker in parliament so it doesn't turn into a b*tching session lol

[@airzorne]

Tommy Muscettelo from New York

[@mikedevaney3507]

Turns out the monarchist guy was born and raised in New York started speaking in a made up English accent wile staring in a school play of Oliver haha.....honestly google him!

[@eatass1332]

More people go to versaille and no one lives there. Maybe because it's pretty much a museum of art. But Buckingham Palace has over £10 billion worth of art there.

[@ComradeHellas]

Correct

[@DficienC]

More people visit chester zoo than buckingham palace.

[@Copium6921]

Eh but Versaille is more pretty and more people go to France so not really a fair argument and ide rather have the monarchy and the tradition than President Rishi Sunak or Gary Lineker

[@jameselder1103]

The queen doesn't decide what awards she gives out, the government does that

[@zr3755]

Time to give Her Majesty that authority again

[@turmuthoer]

This is mostly true. The sovereign does still personally decide who receives an Order of Merit.

[@the_assassin4786]

Your an absolute idiot, do you really think the government decides who becomes ‘Sir’ or ‘OBE’? The queen decides that 🙄

[@aspiknf]

I agree james elder.

[@recruitmentch]

He lost me right at the beginning with the utter nonsensical tripe of 'the crown is apolitical'.

[@Copium6921]

How is it not😂 republitard located

[@David-yw2lv]

It is about as apolitical as Texas is a New England state.

[@erikkrauss8481]

Woah, the uk has Republicans too? I thought that was just american. This is sarcastic

[@thiccboi5011]

Monarchist dude sounds like one of those trump ben shapiro guys that wears a suit to class

[@liamthomas8918]

Those are neo- conservatives they’re more akin to the republican in this video

[@yoloswaggins7121]

@Firstname Lastname Well you are wrong to support it. America got rid of the monarchy, so how can you possibly support America's system and ours?

[@jameseuwen3253]

@Firstname Lastname theres no such thing as "democrats" in UK Democrat and democratic are actually different things....

[@ComradeHellas]

@Ming Li, Han Chinese nationalist, 143 IQ hahahahahaa

[@ComradeHellas]

my thought exactly, quite the stereotypical video

[@hauskalainen]

President Thatcher? President Blair? President May? Hmm maybe not.

[@wilsonfisk6626]

President Major ftw

[@RaufAbasquliyev]

Wilson Fisk and finally President Johnson. :)

[@izzyb5092]

Technically it doesnt have to be president, France is a republic but still has a prime minister

[@tobeytransport2802]

@@izzyb5092but it also has a President. I’m a Republican but I don’t really understand your argument.

[@Ftanftangfnarrr]

The honours system is absolutely rigged - look at where the top honours go to.

[@HisDisgracethe5thEarlofClownin]

My cousin got knighted after he bulldozed a village because he didn't like it

[@Aaron.]

Monarchy fan 🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@ahuman2879]

Here🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@denisevictoriam.sinisero9902]

Politics is corrupt. People elected leaders that sometimes thisty for power. For me monarchy is good as long the people is good

[@tcatinc.8380]

Keep believing you'll be something someday. You'll always be sub-human for them, you are their birth right technically a peasant. Try opposing them and you'll see how good they are.

[@bigboyrambo2009]

And what if the English people white British people are being replaced?

[@shapeless6755]

Sooooo elected people CAN be power thirsty but they can be unelected... But a monarch can't be so we just gotta hope a life long of superiour position doesn't get to them and they get power thirsty... The double standard is real

[@calumhogan6933]

@@bigboyrambo2009 What?

[@da90sReAlvloc]

Rewarding people for what they are and not what they got in their bank. Monarchist, The royal family have literally been put in that place because of what they have in their bank

[@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1]

1:08 Yes, but the honours system does need to be far more reflective of 'ordinary' people who do extraordinary things.... not just CEOs and sports personalities.

[@weldon29]

honestly, what will changing britain to a republic actually change? nothing

[@TheMramon81]

Only a rebellion or a conquest So far only the Roman Empire conquered them, including William the conqueror

[@slightlyvisible8448]

It would make it easier to become a proper Islamic republic. It will happen sooner or later.

[@rainbowsixODST]

It'll make corruption easier to achieve. Also it's get rid of a lot of those "pesky" tourist and those tour dollars.

[@torinjones3221]

壹貳 it'll just lead to a dissolution of the union and England Wales Scotland and northern Ireland becoming independent nations.

[@torinjones3221]

Solar the Porpoise sure sure

[@3seven5seven1nine9]

My only issue with the British Republican theory is that you're most likely to replace the Queen's role with a President, like France, or Russia, or Germany. The only difference is now you have a system that closer resembles an electoral monarchy, rather than a true Republic.

[@kimanismith9312]

Exactly!

[@peteglanton9259]

I wouldn’t replace the monarchy with anything. We’ve already got a prime minister. If you really want a mascot then we could just elect one.

[@shirshabarua8992]

Isn't there a prime minister? It would just funtion like a normal parliamentary Republic even if there is a President.

[@Ignisan_66]

Still better than having a head of state for life. President in many countries is only for 4 or 5 years or something like that.

[@louisbaker4362]

There's no such thing as a true republic. A Republic is whatever the framers of the Republic want it to be.

[@billybhattacharya7044]

I'm a monarchist

[@anarchist1411]

I’m an anarchist.

[@BritishRepublicsn]

I'm a Romaphile

[@HisDisgracethe5thEarlofClownin]

I'm an Amoral Earl that takes delight in the suffering of baseborn plebby peasants

[@mitchelljack1590]

I look at royalty as a living symbol of the nation...nothing more... but a symbol I would like to keep

[@mumflrpumble9107]

The issue is that some Republicans see the Royal Family as taking wealth from the people unjustly. They make us a net profit and thus lower taxes through tourism to their estates alone. They legally own most of their properties as of inheritance passed down and so if abolished would retain that income and be able to spend it instead of put it towards the country. Many also see the Royal Family as "foreign". The UK is a multinational country and as such has transcended the idea of foreign peoples being separated for a more favourable idea of like-minded peoples being united and that is demonstrated with the Commonwealth (Realms)

[@adamender9092]

I'm from northern Ireland and see it as a symbol of imperialism, colonialism, oppression and genocide

[@yoloswaggins7121]

@@mumflrpumble9107 Because they do take wealth from the people

[@mumflrpumble9107]

@@yoloswaggins7121 most of their wealth comes from privately owned estates through inheritance

[@olidojosephd.9054]

@@yoloswaggins7121 Do some basic research, the Sovereign Grant the Royal Family receives every year is not from taxpayers' money but from the 25% Crown Estate income (75% goes to the British government so in the end, the British people wins), all of their lavish life are sustained via the Crown Estate, ZERO comes from taxpayers.

[@rednovember2205]

I knew something was up with that monarchists accent, he's from New York.

[@leewest356]

People go to Buckingham Palace for the same reason they go to the Louvre in Paris, the Smithsonian in D.C. or Versailles in France. These places are tourist attractions, great museums, fascinating places. You don’t need the soap opera of the family who resides there to attract the people.

[@JDValles]

There’s a reason people want to see Buckingham palace and not a castle in France. The British still have a monarchy the French ones been long gone hint it’s boring and not relevant. A lot of the tourism to Britain would completely die off if the monarchy going to be deposed.

[@mumflrpumble9107]

The issue is that some Republicans see the Royal Family as taking wealth from the people unjustly. They make us a net profit and thus lower taxes through tourism to their estates alone. They legally own most of their properties as of inheritance passed down and so if abolished would retain that income and be able to spend it instead of put it towards the country.

[@fenton3137]

@@JDValles France literally has better tourism numbers for its palaces, what are you on about

[@yoloswaggins7121]

@@JDValles What are you talking about? France's palaces get way more visitors than British palaces. If we abolished the monarchy, all of their palaces could be opened to the public, like Versailles, which would obviously increase the number of tourists. Don't just repeat things you hear online without thinking about it for yourself.

[@yoloswaggins7121]

@@mumflrpumble9107 You are wrong on both points. First, the tourism argument falls apart if you think about it for like 5 seconds. Tourists do not come to the UK to see the Royal family. They have no effect on tourism. As for the Crown's lands. Abolishing the monarchy would involve the government confiscating the land because the Royals have no right to own that land. You decided to arbitrarily leave them with this land, but the monarchy would not be negotiating from a position of power. The government could just forcibly take all of the Crown Estates. And this should happen because the monarchy is an unfair and frankly, unnecessary institution that wastws hundreds of millions of pounds in taxpayers money every year

[@chahinebinsaleh6954]

I'm a republican but not when it comes to the UK. I just cannot imagine Britain without its Crown.

[@chahinebinsaleh6954]

@Derka Derka lol

[@BritishRepublicsn]

I'm sure many felt the same way in France during their Revolution, or in Russia during their revolution

[@kidgaminggaming5731]

​@@BritishRepublicsn and germany without their kaiser 🍷🗿

[@TheAnthraxBiology]

"a political entity is apolitical" off to a great start

[@icantcomeupwithagoodusername]

still love that scandinavia (Sweden, Norway and Denmark) are all monarchies yet have one of the best democrocies in the world

[@strugglingcollegestudent]

So? Just because they HAVE a monarch doesn't mean their democratic success is BECAUSE of the monarch... false cause fallacy. Their success comes from a number of factors, tax reform welfare, etc..

[@timjones2329]

@@strugglingcollegestudent So? He never said anything about cause. You inferred an argument you wanted to have

[@mumflrpumble9107]

@@strugglingcollegestudent It kind of disprove the whole "monarchy = no democracy" line that Republicans so eagerly rely on

[@adamender9092]

Norway, Sweden and Denmarj’s monarchies aren't responsible for the death of millions

[@mumflrpumble9107]

@@adamender9092 They are and have been. You seem to forget the Vikings, the Swedish empire

[@aspiknf]

Republic for the win.

[@BabylonianHebrew]

BASED monarchists. The monarchists is 100% right that power comes down to crude money-power without systems such as monarchies

[@danielpalin]

Thomas is actually an Italian from Brooklyn

[@mumflrpumble9107]

Man a loyalist 2.5 centuries too late

[@polishherowitoldpilecki5521]

0:10 Tony Mace Archer Mills real name is tony muscado and hes from new york.

[@mrnobody-unowen]

I’m an American and was initially very confused.

[@Vmvmvmvmvn]

In the UK republicans believe in republicanism. In the US the Republican Party is actually monarchist, they believe in hereditary power, Trump is rich because his dad was rich for instance.

[@0IIIIII]

The Monarchists support the Monarchy as it exists today. They don’t want to get rid of democracy

[@jameseuwen3253]

American Republicanism isnt really Republicanism at all... alot of europe mock it because it's basically the opposite of what it really is.

[@tanyabailey6527]

@@Vmvmvmvmvn very odd argument. I guess you're against inherited wealth? Will your kids be receiving any money from you?

[@mrnobody-unowen]

@@tanyabailey6527 I hate trump, but I agree. I see the republicans as more the party of political corruption than the party of monarchism specifically

[@Hannodb1961]

A monarch without political power is not "above" politics, but below it. The role of a monarch is to rule, You either rule, or you are ruled over. A monarch that doesn't rule is nothing more than a national, real-life soap opera show. Above all, I pity the kids that are born into these families who are put on public display from a very young age, and who are never allowed to just be kids.

[@grahamallen1304]

Well said. Royal families are nothing but state celebrities at this point who exist for us to gawk at. Lavish weddings and multiple child-births that will be displayed over every celebrity magazine in the country. What's the point?

[@oakwhelie]

Purple robed circus

[@TheHollandHS]

@@grahamallen1304 they keep status and pride away from actual power hungry politicians .

[@connerwilson142]

For some reason I thought it was a british monarch arguing with an american republican

[@gonkmaster717]

Are you from the US?

[@connerwilson142]

@@gonkmaster717 yes, that's why it was my first thought

[@sicgc7658]

It’s actually an American monarchist arguing with a British Republican. The Monarchist is from New York.

[@connerwilson142]

@@sicgc7658 and I had it flipped

[@elliotdobie561]

I believe we should keep the monarchy

[@mutualist0149]

No, we need anarchy.

[@elliotdobie561]

@@mutualist0149 monarchy ftw

[@mutualist0149]

@@elliotdobie561, anarchy ftw!

[@LucasPescatello]

@@mutualist0149 monarchy

[@dinghysupreme2972]

@@mutualist0149 go back to reddit

[@kevingouldrup9265]

As a citizen of the U.S. I can tell you that a Republic is very difficult to maintain. We have ceased to be a true Republic long ago. I do believe it is the best of all political systems but alas human nature always gets in the way.

[@lead_sommelier]

The us is not failing because of human nature, it's failing because the corrupt few percent are dividing the people over minor differences so they don't see their common enemy

[@ariejohnson1944]

@@lead_sommelier You're right, we are still a true republic in way of laws and the system of election. But some (on the right and left) have ramped up tribalism and is trying to make it out the the ominous "other side" is going to destroy their way of life.

[@lead_sommelier]

@@ariejohnson1944 Ew centrist spotted

[@Ellipsis115]

0:58 You know, it really doesn't inspire me to think "this guy is open to changing his mind" when he, as a monarchist, has a figure of the queen on his window sill.

[@matthewharold5897]

And the Royal Crest on his wall...and his tie...and brest pocket...and a number of photos of the Queen that convinces me he's on a watchlist.

[@juliusnepos6013]

Yeah

[@sethlovell8424]

@@matthewharold5897 the republican is on a different kind of list...

[@awc6007]

#BringBackTheKaiser🇩🇪

[@pixel6698]

No

[@fintanwolfe9237]

Y is this monarchist so like a monarch

[@PvPhacker]

17% - Scotland

[@jameseuwen3253]

Most are actually in England

[@jameshumphreys9715]

I would like us to be more like the Swiss, as in have a council, which has members of different Parties; apolitical isn't a good thing, as wherever a bad legislation get through the commons and lords, the monarchy will still have to sign it or abdicate

[@ivandinsmore6217]

"Four independent nations in the UK?" No one told the SNP obviously.

[@Captain_Yorkie1]

Well it's more 3 plus a province

[@ivandinsmore6217]

@@Captain_Yorkie1 Correct.

[@hutty8667]

To be honest, they aren't really wanting independence from the UK but the parliament or the government

[@mrrollinupdaily3841]

Hey! It's TOMMY from New York.

[@TasX]

This is a cultural identity problem presented as a political problem, which is kind of stupid. Because either way, the power balance will stay the same. I would understand why the Economist would make this video though, since they are British

[@NickSBailey]

It's both, the fact that we have a Monarchy and it's popular strengthens right wing politics in this country. It means we'll never be truly civilised and are always stuck with one foot in this ridiculous past, we know better now things have to move on.

[@timjones2329]

@@NickSBailey The royal family is to blame for right wing politics? Look at the public voting in tory government after tory government. Its got to the point that our unelected officials are more left wing than our elected officials.

[@nicholasjeremyson]

@@NickSBailey Cringe leftists, ridiculous thought coming from you.

[@lamueldagon7618]

@@timjones2329 Right- wing politics is infused with Queen and Country mentality.

[@perseus6107]

0:11 Thats guys real name is Tommy Muscatello and hes actually from up state New York lmao archer mace smith?

[@caralhoguy]

The British conservative party has to be the least conservative party I have ever seen.

[@theeternalalbo5318]

In countries where democracy doesnt work well,I would give in to the monarchy

[@chazer0075]

Because monarchy is the easiest form of dictatorship to transition into a democracy

[@revolutionariesoffreedom2374]

Communist

[@hrmpug1092]

Democracy never works well. The people are broadly speaking uneducated and have great reason to be selfish. The Roman republic literally collapsed because the people preferred a dictator to the corrupt system. Representation must be regulated. The House of Lords and the crowns power should be increased, and the commons’ reduced. Instead republicans wish to turn the commons into the whole government. (Reminds me of a certain movement that took place under a different King Charles)

[@gilian2587]

It will be fun watching how all of this plays out...

[@rodintoulouse3054]

I can’t understand how anyone who is not part of the royal family and court can be a monarchist. 😂

[@vicenteromerovega1480]

I can't understand how anyone who is not a politician can be a republican 😂

[@rodintoulouse3054]

@@vicenteromerovega1480 easy! You just need to value yourself as a human being and own half a working brain to realise what a ridiculous concept a monarch is… unless you are the monarch. And don’t get me started on people that have the joy of living in a country without a king and admire the countries that still have one.

[@andrewscott8578]

Charles + Camillia = Republic.

[@alejandromendez488]

I just hope the queen lives long enough to out live her child and for the crown to go to her grandchild.

[@whdstudios2441]

@Andrew Scott If Prince Charles becomes King and Camilla becomes Queen, You British will VERY much understand why We Americans, the United States of America, Became a Republic after suffering intense Freedom-snatching Laws from the British Government and the British Monarchy, as a British Colony overseas.

[@redrexi5448]

@@whdstudios2441 The Americans were quite literally the best treated subjects in all of the British Empire at the time. Plus if you weren't a colony once you wouldn't exist.

[@lordludichris4594]

Republicans just love to point at Charles, Charles does more work than Ireland's head of the state and frankly he's not going to be reigning for long enough to have an impact on public view and then William will be the King

[@whdstudios2441]

@@lordludichris4594 Prince William is SO MUCH better than Charles. I wish You Charles Lovers would REALIZE that! And not to mention, William looks like a King, Catherine looks like a Queen, Charles looks like one of those spoiled old rich billionaires and Camilla looks like some old lady who just can't get over the fact that Princess Diana is the woman for Hope and Peace in royalty, NOT HER!

[@SirSpiderPig]

Having the Queen as head of state actually makes a lot of sense. The Queen doesn’t serve any political body, so whenever an issue genuinely comes down to her politically she will make the choice that is best for the country. I understand someone wanting a democratically elected head of state for the obvious reason of being able to choose who it is, setting aside keeping the monarchy about as a symbolic thing the queen actually serves a useful neutral political use as head of state who’ll act in her country’s best interests. As a Canadian I hope the commonwealth keeps her around.

[@HuplesCat]

She grossly influences politics without accountability. Even dead 😂

[@DonatusOkechukwuOkoli-zc7nz]

@@HuplesCat You are a big fool.

[@xp_studios7804]

Monarchist arguments are either "unifying figure" who could just as easily be elected or ooh pretty castle

[@davidhanna9003]

You do know that the royal family still owns all the crown lands, castles, and palaces. They have simply allowed parliament to use and benefit from them in exchange for an annual salary. If you remove the Monarchy the British economy will collapse as the monarchs will in turn become a private citizen, and their property private property. The money the British government makes off of these properties is millions more than what they spend on the royal family. Also an elected official is never a unifying figure.

[@xp_studios7804]

@@davidhanna9003 simply nationalize the property and unifying figure is in quotes, because guess what, neither a monarch nor a head of state in general is truly unifying

[@zr3755]

No elected official could ever unify a country

[@xp_studios7804]

@@zr3755 no monarch can either, that's why "unifying" is in quotes

[@yoloswaggins7121]

@@davidhanna9003 Confiscate the property. You are essentially making the argument that a monarchy could stop its own destruction by saying "actually we own all the land so you can't get rid of us." Imagine the laat French monarchs monarchs saying this to the revolutionaries.

[@adamthornton7880]

Here's my take on this issue: [shrug]

[@peanut25john]

Me too ‘ and about 30 million more “ but who cares about what we think 🤔 I’ve so many things to get on with. Thanks 🙏

[@daemonzap1481]

We can shrug it off because we know that in no way on this earth are we returning to monarchies.

[@bocchithean-cap3404]

@@daemonzap1481 monarchies are inherently better than Republics in any way

[@daemonzap1481]

@@bocchithean-cap3404 sorry but anime pfp = opinion invalid

[@BritishRepublicsn]

@@bocchithean-cap3404 you gonna...explain why?

[@julianusalexander6325]

I'm the true monarch of MURICA

[@hugofitter1809]

Look the lady has 76% approval ratings let's get on with the real problems

[@accurategamer7085]

Monarchists don't need a republic for tyranny exist. From forgieners I know from england say england is not meritocracy like USA. You work hard you get rewarded, same doesn't apply in england.

[@reuberndoesthingsthathemig1025]

I am monarchist and imperialist

[@LukeSky2207]

I'm loving the fact that a CEO, a CEO, is calling a institution "elitist", when he himself is part of a economic elite. The royal family isn't there to "serve" some politicians, they're there exactly to stop them if necessary, as an apolitical head of state should do.

[@dod6031]

Lucas S. Ribeiro he worked his way to the top, the royal family have inherited all of their wealth.

[@b3ygghsas]

@@dod6031 You speak like if the royal family didn't work

[@mathew1]

@@b3ygghsas They didn't.

[@b3ygghsas]

@@mathew1 Queen Elizabeth worked as a medic and mechanic during WW2, many of the members are military, Prince Harry and William even fought in the afghanistan war

[@b3ygghsas]

@@mathew1 Plus, they still supervision all the government actions, and every approved law needs the queen's signature

[@icedbannanas]

Thomas Mace-Archer-Mills (real name, Thomas James Muscatello) - a New York born self appointed fanatic about the monarchy who moved to the UK in 2012 and set up the British Monarchist Society... The Economist legit couldn't find anyone else to represent the case for the monarchy...lol

[@xolg3292]

No he's just the only person in the UK who makes a big enough deal about the monarchy because to the vast majority of people it's just a common belief to support the monarchy.

[@sanuku535]

Republic: this is fine Monarchy: but I like this

[@rockjanmukbang9007]

Engkand has been a great nation because of monarchy..

[@alanbrooke144]

"See both sides of the argument" - in less than a minute? What a joke. The standards at the Economist aren't very high are they?

[@elcadejo1722]

As an outsider in the USA, the monarchist argument sounds more persuasive.

[@TrequartistaFM]

ElCadejo172 learn about your own history and be proud of it. Some of the greatest men fought against a monarchy for good reason.

[@bananaborz1]

TrequartistaFM Hold your pitchforks, but I hardly think the founding fathers were "some of the greatest men" and I'm American. If you read biographies, you'll find that some were decent people, like Franklin. Others, like Jefferson, I find to have been morally corrupt. I would not sit at the same table as Jefferson if he were alive today.

[@TrequartistaFM]

mimi Gandhi smacked his kids and was racist to blacks, mlk vehemently disagreed with homosexuality, Malcom x called for violent struggle. All those things I’m against, yet you’re crazy if you think I wouldn’t sit at the same table as them. While the founding fathers might not be good characters all the time no historical figure really was. I mostly respect them for their political beliefs which I believe in to this day

[@davidulanovsky8943]

Because you’re an outsider and know nothing on the subject

[@MyGdoggy]

I am also an outsider in the USA and for me the republicans argument seems more reasonable.

[@Ftanftangfnarrr]

Thomas James Mace-Archer-Mills, born Thomas James Muscatello, is an American commentator on the British royal family.

[@NoName-jq7tj]

The crown is not outside the political frame work. This is something that is told to the public but the reality is that the crown as the power to dismiss any prime minister.

[@alistairmonro]

When has this ever happened?

[@user-ro3ek5mx7h]

Orthodoxy = Monarchy 💒👑 Ζήτω οι Βασιλείς 1 Τῷ Δαυιδ. Ἐξομολογήσομαί σοι, κύριε, ἐν ὅλῃ καρδίᾳ μου, ὅτι ἤκουσας τὰ ῥήματα τοῦ στόματός μου, καὶ ἐναντίον ἀγγέλων ψαλῶ σοι. 2 προσκυνήσω πρὸς ναὸν ἅγιόν σου καὶ ἐξομολογήσομαι τῷ ὀνόματί σου ἐπὶ τῷ ἐλέει σου καὶ τῇ ἀληθείᾳ σου, ὅτι ἐμεγάλυνας ἐπὶ πᾶν ὄνομα τὸ λόγιόν σου. 3 ἐν ᾗ ἂν ἡμέρᾳ ἐπικαλέσωμαί σε, ταχὺ ἐπάκουσόν μου· πολυωρήσεις με ἐν ψυχῇ μου ἐν δυνάμει. 4 ἐξομολογησάσθωσάν σοι, κύριε, πάντες οἱ βασιλεῖς τῆς γῆς, ὅτι ἤκουσαν πάντα τὰ ῥήματα τοῦ στόματός σου, 5 καὶ ᾀσάτωσαν ἐν ταῖς ὁδοῖς κυρίου, ὅτι μεγάλη ἡ δόξα κυρίου, 6 ὅτι ὑψηλὸς κύριος καὶ τὰ ταπεινὰ ἐφορᾷ καὶ τὰ ὑψηλὰ ἀπὸ μακρόθεν γινώσκει. 7 ἐὰν πορευθῶ ἐν μέσῳ θλίψεως, ζήσεις με· ἐπ’ ὀργὴν ἐχθρῶν μου ἐξέτεινας χεῖρά σου, καὶ ἔσωσέν με ἡ δεξιά σου. 8 κύριος ἀνταποδώσει ὑπὲρ ἐμοῦ. κύριε, τὸ ἔλεός σου εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα, τὰ ἔργα τῶν χειρῶν σου μὴ παρῇς.

[@DemetriosLevi]

Αλήθεια! Η μοναρχία και η Ορθοδοξία είναι αρμονικές.

[@bananaborz1]

What I would pay for Greece to regain her crown

[@jasongoldsworthy6149]

Thomas Mace Archer Mills...not a council estate boy then. Never done a days work in his life.

[@geoffhardaker8788]

He's American. His name is Tommy Muscatello. I suspect the fact he hasn't spent years eking out an existence on a British council estate accounts somewhat with his infatuation with the British Monarchy.

[@chriskoseda2002]

The Republic has better points the the monarchist.

[@michaelmorar]

"must be difficult to be a minority not believing in a system of government"? "We must respect the crown"? I'm even more of an abolitionist now!

[@NoName-mg2yj]

The idea of having a president Blair is the perfect argument for keeping the monarch.

[@bunceman4613]

The idea of having King Henry VIII is the perfect reason not to have a king.

[@shutupwithnail]

That makes no sense what so ever. Just because you politically don't like Tony Blair you want to keep the monarchy? The point is that if you have a president Blair you have a democratic right to vote against him if you choose to. That's how a true democracy works. The monarchy is anti-democratic by its very nature.

[@bunceman4613]

@@shutupwithnail I guarantee you this person would prefer President Blair over a King Blair. Monarachy is stupid.

[@iicourtneybear3916]

@@bunceman4613 Monarchy is wonderful , Politics is more stupid , Changing and Changing and Changing

[@bunceman4613]

@@iicourtneybear3916 Monarchy is politics without the discussion. Seems to be ideal if you don't want a say in your country. We are lucky enough to limit the power of the monarch so she is less involved in politics. But your argument for monarchy was just opinion without reason anyway.

[@lorenzsanjuan]

There's a reason why Socrates hated Democracy. It's based on people's perception rather than an objective qualification to rule.

[@mmm7528]

Socrates, like Platon and Aristotle, did not hate democracy in general but the very system called democracy of the attic polis, which was very different from what we have today. But none of them advocated for a monarchy.

[@olidojosephd.9054]

@@mmm7528 So it's "status quo" meaning retain the constitutional monarchy, not giving more powers to the monarch just like absolute monarchy but not also turning into republic.

[@hrishitbanerjee5703]

The most visited palace in the world is probably Versailles and it is not the place of residence of a monarch

[@thelordofgifts5343]

Restore all Monarchies

[@brandongroemer70]

One crown. One commonwealt.

[@agentlemanofhermajesty7051]

0:20 What, like a Prime minister? WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE

[@flourishes4u]

No I think he means someone like a president. It has to be some apolitical which isn't possible for the prime minister given that they're the leader of a party.

[@lehodge7044]

What Graham Smith wants is basically the monarchy but democratically elected

[@drevenypribor6144]

@@flourishes4u you can't have apolitical politician lol

[@classicteachings]

The Crown is Anglican sectarianism at its worst. How can anyone be expected to respect that when it’s simply not egalitarian! Time for a republic I sense, purely on principle.

[@SuperGreatSphinx]

Monarchism is the advocacy of a monarch or monarchical rule. A monarchist is an individual who supports this form of government, independent of any specific monarch; one who espouses a particular monarch is a royalist. Conversely, the opposition to monarchical rule is sometimes referred to as republicanism. Depending on the country, a monarchist may advocate for the rule of the person who sits on the throne, a pretender, or someone who would otherwise occupy the throne but has been deposed.

[@Joshie_-oz9vz]

I’m British and proud having a monarchy is what makes us British if I speak to someone foreign and they bring up our monarchy I feel a great sense of pride in the fact they respect us, keep the monarchy, God Save The Queen

[@scottishbananaclan]

As an American Monarchist I think a Americana-Anglo Monarch Union between the Commonwealth and North America and American territories.

[@leonlawson2196]

Did the French seize to be French in 1799?

[@hrmpug1092]

@@leonlawson2196 cease* And perhaps no. But while we’re at it, they did end up with a dictator. Then a nation shattering war. Then lots of revolutions. Then a nation shattering war. Then 2 dictators. Then a nation shattering war. Then another Revolution. And now we come to today: they’re sacking cities because they have to work two more years. Wow it’s almost as if republicanism is a disunifying system! England has already fought a war over this, in which the parliamentarians won. And a dictator took over. Then they decided they’d like their king back actually.

[@LondonHistory1977]

He's asking for respect of the crown....did they show respect to the dozens of countries that same crown invaded, occupied, enslaved and plundered?

[@LondonHistory1977]

@Max Wooks I think I'll stay....and you can't do anything about that....hahahaha

[@lelandgrover9036]

The Queens silence as her countryman's quality of life declines so as not to appear political is a political statement & the idea that a Monarch could ever be apolitical is laughable. It's true that Republicans are in the minority but that could change a 2022 YouGov poll found that only 31% of 18-24 year olds support the Monarchy.

[@Ludovicus1769]

What Republicans always seems to forget is that Queen Elizabeth II isn’t the only monarch in the world.

[@BritishRepublicsn]

But..these are British republicans..why should they consider what the King of Bhutan is doing when this is an argument about what Britain should become

[@Ludovicus1769]

@@BritishRepublicsn They’re discussing the Republican and Monarchist ideologies. And Elizabeth won’t be Queen forever, so discussing her simply isn’t enough. Your point makes no difference.

[@BritishRepublicsn]

@@Ludovicus1769 OK fair enough. But surely I could say 'monarchists forget that the US isn't the only Republican system in the world, and that correlation doesn't always equal causation'

[@Ludovicus1769]

@@BritishRepublicsn Thing is, monarchists don’t forget that. Because of how many republics there are.

[@BritishRepublicsn]

@@Ludovicus1769 but they always just assume the pm will become president. There's a comment that says 'president Blair is the best argument against republicanism'

[@BelleroseQC]

En 2015 -L’Élysée coûte 1,5 euro par an par habitant -La monarchie belge coûte 1,2 euro -La monarchie britannique coûte 0,7 euro

[@ComradeHellas]

Where did you get that from?

[@maxwild1212]

I contend that when you really get down to it, monarchism is based on aesthetics and nothing more. I think the monarchist in this video supports my thesis pretty well.

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

Europe has no more monarchies, WW1 stripped them of their power or, in the case of the Romanovs, killed them off. The European nations with monarchs are almost exclusively ceremonial, and the few who do have _some_ political power (such as the UK) still have a lot less then whatever the state's body of "representatives" has (I put that in quotes as the majority of the time they don't actually represent the people). From a social stability standpoint, Europe was much better under monarchies. Europe is falling apart now, and it hasn't even hit 250 years yet, while it remained stable under monarchs for a millennia. This was because... 1: The monarch was in for life, they could invest in long-term projects and also did not have to worry about reelection (reelection takes a significant amount of time and resources). 2: The monarch owned the nation, so it was in their best interest to keep it in good shape, rather than politicians who really don't seem to care since they can just move out after. 3: The monarch had boatloads of wealth, so bribing a monarch was exceedingly difficult and only foreign monarchs and international banking cabals could. 4: The monarch had absolute authority, which means absolute responsibility. When something went wrong, people knew who to point the finger at. Unlike politicians who point at the other party. 5: The monarch had heirs, which meant the people knew what to expect, it added a sense of stability. Monarchs are often portrayed as wicked or cruel within media, with good ones being an exception to the rule. In reality it was the other way around, cruel monarchs are the ones remembered most _because_ they were not the norm. Not to mention there is probably a little propaganda mixed in to demonize them.

[@lamueldagon7618]

Its called Facism.

[@tilenHD]

Sure but why do their power needs to be heridarty all of those poinst could be true by even electing a king for life

[@jonnyhost3795]

The British monarchy are German. Queen Victoria was the daughter of a German Princess. Prince Albert's parent's were German. They belong to the House of Witten from a small German town. Princess Diana had a great grandmother from the German banking dynasty of Baring. Prince Philip is from a Greek, Portuguese Royal lineage. There is nothing Britsh about a German royal family. The head of the church, Prince William living in sin with his to be wife. Prince Harry living with his divorced American girlfriend before marriage. It truly is shocking and disgraceful. They need to go.