Is private education good for society?

[@edvickery8674]

I agree. The goal should not be to shut down private schools, but to increase the quality of state education so there isn’t a need for them

[@Sheeshening]

thats impossible duh

[@shawnjavery]

+Ed Vickery It's not always a problem of the public schools being bad. Perception is the deciding issue here and a lot if people just hate the idea of public schools. Public schools are often seen as bureaucratic and inferior just because they are runned by the government and better results aren't likely to change that perception. Plus it's not going to be easy to convince people to pay taxes to fund schools more than they already are.

[@developandplay]

@@shawnjavery Yes perception is the deciding factor. Here in Germany graduates of private universities have a stigma rather then an advantage. They are often regarded as the students that weren't tough enough for public universities and bought their education more or less...

[@agzuhdhdandicycidjs3230]

Spend, spend, spend someone tell this man that money is not unlimited

[@jasonbourne9819]

All Education should be privatised but legislated. Free-market education is the way to go.

[@arminvanbuuren883]

Like why do you think that countries like Norway, Finland or Sweden have so few of them ? Because the parents aren't interested about their kid's future? Of course not. It's just that their governments invest a fair amount of money to the public sector, so that people don't feel the need for "a higher education" .

[@AfroBolshevik]

Finally, something I completely agree with!!

[@redhidinghood9337]

There is also less competition in those countries. China has an ok education system but it is so competitive that parents do anything to give their kid a competitive advantage, including sending them to private schools

[@Noosejunkie]

The whole private system is laughable and makes a mockery of meritocracy. The real question is, why do we want to underfund public schools?

[@AfroBolshevik]

@@redhidinghood9337 exactly with what is wrong with the system, why should education be competitive?? Quality eduaction is the gateway for a better life for all, everyone benefits. Education is not something that should have a profit motive overall, it should be equally accessible & high quality.

[@AfroBolshevik]

@@Noosejunkie I agree with you completely

[@diegobenalcazar4836]

Finland has one of the best quality of education and it is completely public.

[@jacobrivera7302]

Diego Benalcázar It’s not 100% public

[@stacybarnett8273]

Where I come from public schools have intelligent kids but private schools don't bc they focus more on religion yet people think that the child will get a better education in a private school so then they send there kid there soon finding out there grades have dropped

[@cardcode8345]

Diego Benalcázar There culture is very different than rest of the world. A wrestler could be the strongest person in his field, tho can’t compete in a boxing match with a professional boxer

[@kobolll7188]

Diego Benalcázar no it isn’t, all the best schools are private

[@Rettomus]

@@kobolll7188 "Even in private schools, the use of tuition fees is strictly prohibited, and selective admission is prohibited, as well: private schools must admit all its pupils on the same basis as the corresponding municipal school. In addition, private schools are required to give their students all the education and social benefits that are offered to the students of municipal schools. Because of this, existing private schools are mostly faith-based or Steiner schools, which are comprehensive by definition." In Finland private schools are scarce and they can be applied to under the same rules as to any other school.

[@alexrothwell2053]

I think the idea of banning private schools is a violation of rights. If parents have the money and want to pay for their child's education out of their own pocket, who are the government to force them to go to a state school? I think objections to private education come from bitterness against people with more money rather than genuine concern for the well-being of the country.

[@andreabob5222]

I have been in the UK and was stunned by the level of inequality there and how this is accepted like a totally normal thing there, it is like they don't even try to make society fair anymore, it's just sad.

[@民主よしお]

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[@gordonramsdale]

As one of the only british people actually aware of the social injustice in this country I know what you mean, no other country in the world separates people so quickly based on prestige and how posh they are...

[@TheCreeperTrack1]

Society isn’t meant to be fair. We do not live in a post-scarcity society. There will always be inequality.

[@spamface5162]

Thats not the problem. The problem is absolute poverty, not relative poverty

[@d4nkx549]

Society was never meant to be fair. Not all people are equal.

[@MaruTheGreat]

I went to a private/parochial school from middle school to HS. It was my parents decision, but I’m glad they did it b/c the schools in my area were terrible and dangerous (lots of gangs, terribly underfunded schools, and occasionally violence). I’m grateful for the opportunity to go to the school I went to. Although I acknowledge the privilege that was afforded to me when doing so, and I try to give back as much as I can.

[@AAA-we2st]

Krypton 114 you should get your parents to still apply for private schools and apply for funding

[@alenpaul2523]

@@krypton1142 give back to your parents not someone else

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[@gianmarcorusso1713]

I don't know where you live but I have a background similar to yours, and for the same reasons I went to private Catholic schools until I was 13 years old...then I wanted something different for my high school years.

[@archierch0463]

Great but everyone deserves what you had (in terms of education and being away from danger)

[@LuigiPaiPai]

Congratulations to the author for this edifying peace of information: it literally contained 0% of data or measure about the efficiency of private versus public and the good they comparatively bring to society. The author clearly has an idea but it is never put into question with data, Congratulations on an extraordinarily poor and inconsequential piece of journalism!

[@robertd9965]

Yep. Nice propaganda piece. And a person like that calls herself a journalist? Ridiculous.

[@rabinrai8906]

must be a product of public school.

[@jimsy5530]

Yup, was utter drivel. It's clear she has an agenda - she makes it clear that there's an issue with private education leading to inequality, but then says that's fine, governments shouldn't stop it. I would be willing to bet she's rather pro-low taxes on corporations too.

[@glokta1]

Well, it's The Economist after all. What did you expect? Neoliberalism is their religion

[@DuskAndHerEmbrace13]

Calm down. It’s a three minute video to introduce you to the topic and make you want to buy the Economist to look into it further. Have you ever opened a copy of the Economist? It’s full of statistical information. But I doubt you have. You sound like you were looking for an easy sound bite stat from the University of KZbin instead of actually doing the reading yourself.

[@ritawu8250]

I don’t agree with the claim that Chinese government is restricting the schooling industry. In fact, most students who enter the top universities in China are from the elite public schools. Most private schools in China provide more international education for students compared to public schools, which charges high tuition fees at the same time, and most students at the secondary private schools go abroad to study at foreign universities. Public schools are funded by the government which can maximise the equality among people from different backgrounds, so the competition is very fierce as well. Also, the public school is really affordable, in some regions it is even free.

[@pedrocaetano5117]

Sometimes the private sector becomes a choice, not because the quality is higher, but because is safer than public schools.

[@Mirsab]

So many uneducated ppl are incorrectly correcting the video by claiming that at 1:54 it's the golden Temple of Amritsar, except it's not! It's the Badshahi Masjid in Lahore Pakistan!

[@deeb3272]

Its not about being in a private or public school. As long as the school is well managed with the right teaching force and facilities it wouldnt really matter. Also take into account the willingness of the student to learn.

[@isaacflett1321]

But it would still matter. People can tell just from the accent in the uk if someone is privately or publicly educated and they are treated differently as a result (I’m not from the uk so I’m not sure but it sounds to me like the reporter in this video went to private school for example). The connections made in private education are at least as important as the actual education quality.

[@douglasfir306]

I condemn public education in my country for not giving me a quality education, I had and I still have to improve cultural and intellectually by myself as teachers doesn't apply authority anymore, public schools have become truly prisons.

[@NomadicNationalist]

What country?

[@douglasfir306]

@@NomadicNationalist Spain

[@MechanicWolf85]

@@douglasfir306 not only in Spain but almost every were, even in the US there's schools that are just awful at teaching

[@inigoro5177]

That's sucks. There is also a problem who anybody talks about. The gap between northern and souther provinces is extremly big. If you see PISA report, Navarra (where I come from) has almost as good education system as New Zealand or Germany! Southern Spanish provinces do not invest that much amount of money and the parents' education is essential for the kids' one. It needs to change quickly, the gap is big and the future of any country lies in the education system. Anyway I would never say public education should be blamed and disapear, but it needs big changes though. If you want to see how private system works just to the US, while there are people very highly educated the population is largely ignorant and bad educated.

[@douglasfir306]

​@@inigoro5177 I'm from southern spain, Región de Murcia, so you could just guess who's education and everything else in here… This is a hell-hole for me since I do not share neither the habits nor the likes of people from here. I even pronounce the "eses" so new people that I met always ask me if I'm from Asturias or País Vasco. Here everything is just out of control, neither teachers apply any kind of authority nor students takes seriously their studies. Having to spend 6 hours a day in a small room with other 30 students that won't shut their mouths even when the teacher ask them to do... yeah, it gives you a lot of things to think of. I think that, if education doesn't get any better quality-wise, it should be completely voluntary, as only unquiet people as me and few others would learn voluntarily, the rest, the vast majority of today students, as they don't want to stay in school, they just completely spoil the classes to the few like me that wan't to learn.

[@VSS1]

Could the Economist let us know if the person who included the Golden Temple in the Pakistan discussion was privately educated or state?

[@alipaf2002]

Vic, I am happy they put both parts of Punjab together. The state which suffered most due to partition.

[@bushraazmat9305]

That was badshahi mosque not golden temple 😑

[@VSS1]

@@bushraazmat9305 no it wasn't, don't be daft

[@zaindot3863]

@@VSS1 that was actually Badshahi mosque

[@zaindot3863]

@@VSS1 search Badshahi mosque sunset on Google and you'll find it. It does look very similar to golden temple in that picture though

[@michelleheegaard]

Rising inequality can lead to increased mistrust within a society and thus political instability. I disagree with this woman. Although there are definit benifits about private school education, it is not worth it. Instead, I think we should focus on making public schools better than they currently and pump money into those institutions so more people will benifit from a better education without the split in society.

[@NomadicNationalist]

Michelle Heegaard for much of the West, there exist much more salient factors causing political instability, most notably the importation of millions of third worlders with completely incompatible cultures, whose second generation offspring don't even do better, and many times even worse as they're more radicalized compared to the 1st gen

[@windskm]

@@NomadicNationalist too bad data doesn't back you up. And immigrants do well even after one generation, and many times better than non-immigrants. You're just a racist & a loser.

[@windskm]

Agree with you partially, but if someone wants to develop a certain talent even further than for me it isn't right not to allow it. I think there should be strong public schools in general but then private schools that are excellent on a given field. Like I go to the same school as everybody else but if I want to learn another language or get a head start on programming skills I should be allowed to go to a place that can teach me.

[@davidcooks2379]

Yes, first, remove charity status from them and charge FULL business rates like the state schools

[@le8307]

sadly these teachers need like a modern from of whip like the olden days

[@suvignanpothuraju8350]

Government is not the solution.

[@georgiades5218]

I've taught in both. Very little difference. My advice is, send your children to public school and invest your money in a buy to let property, which you will give to them when they are adults. The absolute best start in life!

[@etherean369]

Honestly, the problem isn't that rich kids go there. It's okay to spend on luxuries. It's that rich kids get all the opportunities because the schools normal people go to are automatically ranked lower. If performance were all that mattered, and normal schools provided great environments for success and had all EDUCATIONAL resources necessary, then this wouldn't even be news. It's not about hating rich ppl it's about giving everyone a chance because wealth is not a skill, esp not for children who are enjoying their parents efforts.

[@mdottdotgo9317]

As a south korean, whose country has been struggling with educations ever after the Korean war, private school has more value to parents than public school, because korea has a exam system that nobody can solve without private schooling.

[@mdottdotgo9317]

It sounds weird, but most of korean people would agree with my thought.

[@NegativeAccelerate]

Why do you need public school to solve the exam system?

[@bingqizhou6339]

In China no matter how rich you are, you want to send your children to public schools where best teachers are. Private schools are mostly for children expelled by public schools. It's actually good, since children from different classes mix together and learn from each other when they have not developed class discretion. This is helpful even for rich kids because it lets them know the lives of ordinary people and appreciate their fortune. Public schools also offer the same curriculum, which is very strict. This makes sure that Chinese students are competitive in the world.

[@4G12]

@Teringventje And western schools never indoctrinate kids, right?

[@bingqizhou6339]

@Teringventje For your question, which is very biases, assuming that the most important thing we got in schools is just political ideology, I have to say that it's meaningless to response. However, I encourage you to reflect on your own country(I assume that you are from a western country): is the education system fair for all social classes; are poor children offered equal chance of getting out of poverty after graduation; are rich children educated to appeciate what they inherit from their parents; are they truly concerned about lower class people and aware of that they are compatriots; do top class people really care about their people' welfare, the essential culture of the civilization and the fate of the nation. I ask you to carefully think about that.

[@bingqizhou6339]

@Teringventje You declined to think, so I don't want talk too much either. I'm fine, but it's just a pity. Westerners, and you are an example, are just so addicted to political stuff like being democratic will ensure progress. But history and facts show that pragmatism is far more practical.

[@ANon-vm4mh]

Private education aids social mobility by enabling hard-working and self-made parents to get the best education possible for their children and thus allow them better careers. Without this choice many are forced to go to underfunded or violent state schools, leaving them worse off. Hard-working parents should not be denied this choice - and often it isn't even a choice but an obligation - for better education

[@monkiezdevil]

I studied in both and i did pretty well in private education: more time to take care of the student. Public education was ok but overcrowded class and not much time spend by teacher for the student. That why I was falling

[@rekomendasiku207]

I felt the same way. There was no way my name would appear on the big 10 list out of 39 students in class (public), meanwhile i managed the 2nd position in high school for the whole 3 years (private)😅

[@Bobber256]

What is that accent? It seems to change from syllable to syllable.

[@josephelias9081]

The privately educated accent.

[@Pancake833]

Imagine going in debt for elementary school

[@AliasHSW]

Evil MrMuffinz - we don’t have the money, but out of curiosity we window shopped tour a school in which the tuition is $40k/year for Kindergarten. Granted we like the campus and program however I wasn’t completely sold even if we do have the money

[@ant5611]

This race put incredible pressure on society. Maybe they should look at the Scandinavian countries of how they run their education system.

[@spaceshuttledoorgunner125]

An American friend chose private schools for his children and his explanation was, "that's where my kids will meet the other kids with rich and influential parents." Never spoke of quality.

[@austere2368]

Well, the scenario here in India is totally different. Private schools are just functioning like business firms and are only interested in profit making.Instead of improving a child's knowledge they are deteriorating it. They are just hampering the thinking ability of children . Hard earned money of a poor parent is going in vain.

[@gabrielpaquet1114]

"I think inequalities is a fair price to pay for all the good brains coming out of private schools" is a fairly easy thing to put forward especially when the chances are thay you personally benifited from that very system. Let the whole lot of people left behind if you want the majority's stories

[@TheSzymax]

Gabriel Paquet Why is it bad for smart kids to learn in these schools? Should we bring them to public schools so they get lower quality education to make up for their smarter brain?

[@gabrielpaquet1114]

It is an undiscussable fact that all kids deserve an education up to their abilities and that keeps them stimulated and challenged. It is another thing though when we are addressing the issue of education segregation according to wealth. I think it is quite disturbing to evolve within a politico-economic system which rests on the moral base that everyone has equal opportunities, but which allows segregation to take place. To be coherent with this belief, we should be working toward the goal of guaranteeing a proper education to every child, especially when we are aware of the importance of education as an emancipation tool. The very existence of private schools is counter-productive to the achievement of this goal. Socioeconomic background is almost everything when it comes to education, and private schools quickly become tools of reproduction of inequalities. Instead of letting public school fall apart, knowing that the private sector is there to retain the best elements, government should be actively working to enhance the quality of education in their public educational system. It is untrue that the public system is naturally less performing. Take the case of Finland, where private schools are strictly forbidden, yet the country is year after year ranked among the leaders in education around the world. It is about a country which values education within the government structure, not just saying that education is key while letting everything go by itlself. The lady in this video is implying that leaving kids behind is the right compromise to guarantee a better education to some kids. I think it is non-sensical. This is elite promoting elite, and we all know how this ends.

[@martinturnermusic93]

@@gabrielpaquet1114spot on!

[@windskm]

Well a lot of innovation happened in places with unequal education. Most prominent example is the US, where a lot of tech companies started by private universities allumni who likely always went to the best schools available. In a place like Holland or Denmark things are more equal, but rarely you see something from them truly stand out on a global scale. Thing is, would we be better off with more equality or with Google etc? It's not 100% clear to me.

[@martinturnermusic93]

@@windskm I don't think you can use private ed as a blanket reason for innovation. US culture inspires innovation as a in business overall more than other places, lots of people who innovate there in tech aren't privately educated. Private ed puts people more in a box if anything, as they're cut off from the real world. And anyway your wrong about other places with good public ed not being innovative. Sweden - Spotify, IKEA, H&M, many more... Finland made Nokia I think, and more, and of course Germany has made load of innovative tech

[@srivariveedhi8621]

Golden temple is in Punjab, India. NOT IN PAKISTAN.

[@gojeta1999]

India is a filthy shithole

[@josephjohnson9649]

@@gojeta1999 lemme guess from where you are from. Pakistan?

[@gojeta1999]

@@josephjohnson9649 England

[@simonstory29]

Think she went to a private school?

[@makkialqaosain8872]

The best way forward I believe would be to introduce the voucher system and allow all schools to be administrated by private individuals. You'd have the competition between schools to increase quality of education while at the same time free education for the masses.

[@positiveandstrong]

Education is big business. A milking cow.....full stop.

[@josephbrennan370]

@SolarisLunaran So you are a free market fundamentalist? You are foolish if you think all education should be held privately. Education should not be driven by a profit motive but instead on actually educating the population. Then there would be larger collections of private schools which would charge extortionate prices, pricing out poorer families from the market. I think people must be truly cruel to want to privatise all education. That would be like having fully privatised healthcare, which if you think is the most successful approach then you are truly delusional.

[@ramonlopez9440]

Yeps! Especially in Asia... International schools are bagging sooo much money. Yet they pay their teachers shiat.

[@ULHIS]

The way I look at it is, it's nobody's business. If you can afford it, send you kids. If you can't, then a normal secondary will do rightly. That's it.

[@TheUrbanEpicure]

Her eyebrows covered more distance in this video than I did all day.

[@sidsnot6952]

Lol

[@stacybarnett8273]

TheUrbanEpicure wait she had eyebrows lol

[@grimlin667]

They are so kind for allowing us to educate our own children.

[@princeofchetarria5375]

The problem is that since (in the UK at least) so many of the people in power attended private schools, people often don't feel like they will make the state school system a priority ://

[@renatanovato9460]

Governments have to secure its ppl, not the profits of corporations

[@isaacshur4787]

So, inequality is a "price worth paying for the liberty, the resources, for the better brains, for the innovation, for the quality of education, and the breadth of education that you get". Except, only the wealthy families of the world are really getting these benefits in full. That's what INEQUALITY means. What's the point then? Inequality is justified because wealthy people benefit from it? Education should provide EVERYONE with more liberty, resources, etc. Wealthy families have advantages as in, being wealthy in the first place. Why give them more advantages at the expense of others?

[@rawyld]

I have been to both private and public schools in Australia and I have to say there is a big difference. Private is smaller classes of one whole class of 20 kids, public schools is a more open less control and Teachers who don't care about kids with disabilities. I grew up in schools from 1997-2009 so yeah didn't get very much help from that.

[@tommytwospirit4197]

Dated a girl that went to private school...the strangest part was her telling me I had more opportunities in public

[@josephbrennan370]

What.

[@Gabster1990]

If private education was the best, the countries with the highest enrollment in private primary schools would reflect high educational attainments.

[@davidcooks2379]

Private education might be the best, but is it fair to give rich kids even more advantage that will allow them to perpetuate and sharpen wealth inequality? Shouldn't even kid have a chance in life?

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

@@davidcooks2379 What do you mean? Abolish private education or fund public schools even more?

[@leo66618]

The question is why the public education getting worse compare to private one? Is it an deliberate action?

[@epsospremium6088]

What if we had all the best *classes and teacher in video format ?* I think we need the best classes, presentations and lectures free and open on the Internet, so that learning would be more simple and more fun.

[@mdottdotgo9317]

Yes, but for most people, it's important to have them study forcefully.

[@davidcooks2379]

Who will create them for free?

[@davidcooks2379]

Lectures is not everything, especially for younger kids, who need individual attention and collaboration with other kids

[@hoong18]

There is a very popular Chinese saying, even though you are poor you cannot scarifies education.When Deng Xiao Ping regained his power in the 80s his first task was to send millions of students overseas. The result is obvious. China emerged as the second largest economy. Soon it will surpass the US. It makes the latter so nervous until they don't know what to do.

[@joanaborges9450]

As a millenial in a southern European country, I don't think I'm going to be able to afford a private school for my future kids. I would be lucky if I can even afford my own house and a car. So, yeah, public school is where my future kids are going to study, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[@skibididomp]

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[@alfievines5917]

If somebody wants to escape the state sector then they should be able to, but as long as the reason isn’t because the state sector is worse...

[@ramonlopez9440]

Private school in developed country exist so rich kids only associate themselves to other rich kids. It's like private club, they focus so much on networking and connections.

[@sebastienholmes548]

Then what do you call budget private schools?

[@ramonlopez9440]

@@sebastienholmes548 Catholic Schools

[@NegativeAccelerate]

I live in a town with no private schools. This means there are super rich and super poor people in my school. There are people who win national and international competitions every year. When my mum went to our school there was some Sultans daughter who was a border here and someone from “the poorest houses in Ireland” all in the same school.

[@HighKingoftheElves]

Privatise all schools, give government vouchers for those who can’t afford it

[@simonhool3073]

Won’t work.

[@Nico2000]

Raise taxes for the rich and use that money to make public schools better and therefore eliminate the need for private schools

[@shakirrehman3606]

yes private education is a big business in pakistan because the government schools are prety bad at providing quality education. secondaly the teachers does not teach well in schools and ask their students to join their private tution classes. and the third thing about pakistan education system is that the schools and other educationl sectors prepare students for how to gain marks in exam they do not teach practical work or if they want to then there are either no labs in schools or very poor labs.

[@williamgitenge]

same in kenya

[@neelakhadizah849]

Same in everywhere South Asia Bangladesh, Nepal and India also facing same problem.

[@juliak8872]

I think competition between different education systems is good for society

[@VikramKumar-fl5fd]

Yeah i agree but it should be the responsibility of govt to uplift public sector schools. Otherwise we may lose the generation, due to ignored lower or poor section of society.

[@nayandusoruth2468]

However, the education business has quite a stable demand, new students don't appear out of thin air quickly. Thus, if you have one school with x students, and another one opens up nearby, you'll split the demand decreasing the income of these schools and thus their resources, either resulting in two worse schools, or one who would hold a monopoly over the area, and thus doesn't need to compete, both outcomes being undesirable.

[@jithgeorge1418]

Privatizing education is the worst thing that we can do. Why can't the government spend money on education? No students should be able to study just because he or she is rich but only on the basis of merit. Most of the Indian Universities are State governed and there is only a minimum amount of money needed. The Kerala State of India is transforming education by pouring millions into the public education system where the government schools are better equipped and well maintained than the private ones. I suggest the Economist should look into such good initiatives.

[@roccodea4934]

Kerala is an example for India. And not just for what regards education

[@Dudemar0]

Quite a superficial argument. No discussion of whether private school spending crowds out state school spending. If all the rich/influential people have their kids in private schools there is less incentive to invest in state education

[@jasonbourne9819]

Freemarket education is the only way to go. Govt doesn't have to get their greedy corrupt hands in every aspect of our lives. Otherwise, we might as well become a totalitarian society.

[@importantname]

Humans believe that their personal and family wealth gives them the right to rule. If it doesn't then what should wealth be used for?

[@4G12]

For bettering themselves and those around them.

[@Ivanskrakow]

The best thing about Public education for a society , is that it become a a way for rich , middle class, and poor as well as different ethnic groups to learn from each other and become familiar in a personal way .. Keep them separate and you will foster divisions in a society.. Private schools to to foster elitism .. Also bring back the draft..

[@loudezseran]

I taught at a private baccalaureate school in Kuwait City that costed close to 20,000 USD per student per year, and the education offered was poor. Our STEM teacher had spent the previous eight years working as an ESL teacher and had no experience teaching STEM. Our theater teacher had no training or experience teaching theater and couldn't get admin to approve any textbook whatsoever even after the school year had begun. Multiple students had failed a grade and had severe disciplinary problems and management refused to effectively address their issues or kick them out of school. Many of the students were violent and got into fistfights, including in class. No honors classes were offered, no remedial or special education classes were offered, and only a few AP classes were offered. Thus, I'm absolutely certain that the students would have gotten a better education going to public schools for free rather than paying $20K just to be able to be in the same room as other kids who were from rich families.

[@davidadams3352]

The private sector provides education for better brains? Unfortunately, many of the 'best' brains might never benefit if their parents lack the funds and they are left only with a mediocre state system (as is so frequently the case in the UK and other industrialised countries). The problem is that this little video grossly oversimplifies the issue, trying to make comparisons between the apples and oranges of the developed and developing world. Where a country has inadequate resources for education a public/private partnership might make sense. There is no such excuse in the developed world. Here the private education system merely serves to preserve class division and inequality. Every child deserves access to a lavishly-funded, elite education. Ultimately, the greatest resource for any society are the people within it. They, above all, should be the focus of government investment so that every individual's talents and abilities can be properly developed.

[@rogerluo2289]

She shall talk about UK equality, look those private school every where.

[@xianghaoli4036]

Private schools are bloosming in China. Many excellent teachers in public schools are now employed in private schools because those schools offer better pay. But there's rumor that the government is going to restrict the growth of private education soon.

[@kliudrsfhlih]

Two words: history and context. This ought not be a yes/no question. In some countries everything they do just sort of works well and in others nothing seems to work ever. If the country is a dictatorship we don't want public schools to play a big roll, if the country has a history of systemic corruption within its people we don't want private schools at all. If private schools get to decide evolution isn't going to be taught we certainly don't want private schools. If the country has the resources to provide the best education to everyone through public schools while not only normalizing equality but also maintaining it long term kind of like Finland, then we don't need private schools. But if the country is still developing, then limiting private schools effectively limits the country's ability to produce and support its talent, so bring them private schools. It shouldn't be so much about ideology, but about the country's needs. But some people manipulate information to make it seem as though private education is a good idea or "it is about freedom" etc, just because they want to make money (keeping it real). If it tends to increase inequality... then it's not about freedoms anymore. You can't be "free" to increase inequality. If the country is rich, they don't really NEED private schools, but serious and responsable investment in education as well as leadership. It's true private schools can implement innovative ways of teaching and thus bring something valuable to the table even in Finland, but the benefit can be achieved with government pilot programs as well and it's not as valuable as maintaining equality. Private education in that context is not a NEED, but ultimately the people should be the ones to decide, let's not forget about democracy.

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

Im a bit of a pessimist when it comes to government controled education. Its not worth trusting them to do it right.

[@wordsfromaus5862]

You're obviously American? Government mistrust there seems to be the way of life.

[@a.a6321]

Technology should be integrated in the system to allow for greater access to education ...from the covid situation we've absolutely seen how the gap between private and public education can be eliminated

[@arnaldofigueiredotibyrica6202]

What happens is simply that public education is generally inferior and outdated as compared to upper half of the private schools. Thei are more agile.

[@SydneyDoesArtz]

I have gone to public for 6 years and private 3 years, personally I like public school more. I wasn't as sensitive and I felt more comfortable in public school. At private school I get scared to express myself and if we even mess up with the dress code, like dark socks we get detention for a week

[@edaccura]

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[@albertomigliavacca8320]

I agree with Emma's final suggestion: in the US for profit schools don't work because there's little accountability and oversight by state governments over their outcomes(both financial and educational outcomes). With more financial oversight by state governments the risk of for profit schools going bankrupt would go down. With more educational accountability parents would know the educational results of the schools they're considering. What I mean as educational accountability is selecting ramdomly a sample of students from each school in a certain state and giving them a PISA-style test to solve; each year parents receive the results of this tests so that they can judge the quality of the schools they're considering

[@mukundgaur6699]

I don't get it with China's one child policy from the perspective of having a girl child.

[@justinmoore5096]

Instead of suggesting that increased inequality in education would be worth it. I wish she suggested potential solutions, for narrowing the gap.

[@Fedaykin7c2]

The video glorifies the idea of private schooling totally skipping the fact that most of them (with exception of a few on the top of rankings) are predatory schools fully focused not on the education of the pupils but squeezing as much profit from parents as they can. It's is also worth noting that studies in the US have shown that diplomas from such schools are regarded as less worth that the ones from not-for-profit schools!

[@The_Revolutionist]

No, it's not. Inequality is not a price I'm willing to pay for.

[@S2Tubes]

You'd prefer to drag everyone down equally. Fortunately people like you don't get a say in the matter.

[@theservius2913]

huihkjhlhlhh gigkjhkhljl,pm yes, it is you see the results and they out perform the horrid private schools

[@abhishekrao1602]

There's a slight mistake in the video. It talks about Punjab province in Pakistan, however shows picture of golden Temple from Indian province of Punjab!

[@Mirsab]

Lol 😂 no! It's the Badshahi Masjid, in Lahore Pakistan.

[@hypernovic5301]

@@Mirsab Bro u should understand one thing people in our country lack "rational thinking".... We blindly follow what others are saying.... Hope u understand our condition...

[@Mirsab]

@@hypernovic5301 True, I appreciate your acknowledgement.

[@sunshinething]

Forgot to mention that one pro of private education is it takes students-who would otherwise be in the over-subscribed state sector-out of the system to free up school spaces for other children who need them. As a teacher of 11 years who's worked in both state and private sectors, I think the solution is open up more collaboration between state and private schools to address the 'them and us' mentality, to increase scholarship funding so that at least 10% of all private school spaces are available to deserving students who would not ordinarily be able to afford it and to deregulate state schools' curricula so they have the flexibility to compete with the curricula that private schools offer.

[@Telencephelon]

It's the beatings in the schoolyard that really teach you something.

[@w.s1097]

Yes it is because it means high quality service in educating your children

[@twist777hz]

Would the Economist mind disclosing what proportion of their employees (esp. those in managerial roles) were privately educated?

[@jaysterling26]

According to Pareto It'll be either 80% or 20%. You're guess...I know that the " Johnson" article writer Robert Lane Green ( very amiable chap) went to a private US university. Say that Oxbridge producesgraduates (bachelor degrees)@ 6000 per year, jobs need to be found for them...

[@windskm]

You can go their LinkedIn page and get an estimate yourself

[@dennis-qu7bs]

Privatization of education leads to corruption ... so this issue needs to be addressed carefully

[@MigLiberte]

How does it better schooling? The issue we’re having in developing countries is the real value of our education. Both public and private schools have students receiving.mediocre schooling. The only difference is with most private schools it’s a pay to play game where snowplow parents can bid for the highest ticket for there kids to be in a school that will give them more of an advantage for hiring or entering prestigious universities regardless of the actual competitive capabilities they may have in relation with their peers and public school students. If anything nowadays the online material anyone can find from small tuition courses (that lower to middle class kids could afford) or just flat out get for free online is WAY BETTER schooling than any public or private school would ever teach. This lowers inequality and makes knowledge easily accessible for everyone not just the privileged like you state it’s doing. We can follow from those that actually lead and not from those who hold false leadership positions.

[@ASLUHLUHC3]

Inequity will always exist in one form or another (some are born smarter, more creative, etc). The existence of more educated individuals is overwhelmingly a net positive for society.

[@azhadial7396]

That's not a valid argument to say that inequality will always exist. It's true, but you cannot justify that people are starving to death and that we cannot do anything about it because your cousin is one feet taller than you. Or in another way, it is not because someone gains 10 more dollars a month, that it justifies Jeff Bezos winning 5 billions dollar a month when some guy in Africa gains less than a dollar a month. There is inequality and then there is Inequality. A public education can help get rid, not of all types of equality, but at least of some. A private education will only lead to the increase of this type of equality, an inequality which is unfair, and an inequality we can do something about. I 100% agree on the second part.

[@christopherho8015]

The private education system is a business. In some sense, it is similar to a SaaS model......not very much different from Spotify or Netflix where you keep collecting subscriptions every month. Oh wait, you can even recycle the content, not sure what subscribers would do if Spotify or Netflix decided not to update their content...

[@rboddington]

The framing is an excellent example of why magazines should not engage in video production.

[@Eva-gd1gj]

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with private school I think there is a problem with the government. They need to increase the quality of state schools to make it fairer to even it out therefore more people will want to go to state

[@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer]

Eaton brought the best and brightest Leaders in the UK. Straight up the best of the best.

[@Mrchair-bk5ns]

Sarcasm?

[@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer]

@@Mrchair-bk5ns Yes Sir.

[@jimmyjigz]

Why would you want the state to propagandize your children..

[@jimmyjigz]

@Lei P wow lei p, please learn to think.. China and India who have seen the highest growth in private demand were the poorest countries in the world 30 years ago.

[@jimmyjigz]

@Lei P you probably care about those poor people too... Complicated issue: demand fluctuations in private education in rapidly developing large nations. Lei P: coz people are poor. Haha

[@ignacioi]

Private>Public

[@muskduh]

Education is the problem. People need jobs, money, a house, and a car--not useless degrees they don't know what to do with!

[@valeriejmoss3325]

this is an interesting listen, with valid points. The parents who are putting their children in private schools currently pay city taxes (depending on where you live) towards public education not having the choice to choose private schools there fore if a parent was putting their kids in private education this would be coming out of their own pockets as well with no government support. Thus supporting both public and private sectors congruently.

[@ns3359]

the shot of Golden temple(India) when she talks about Pakistan....

[@user-xd4sk4pk7h]

Didn’t she was Punjab after that?

[@funnytidbits5202]

Namandeep Singh just focus on the message

[@VikramKumar-fl5fd]

Even i was confused 😂 anyway its good that people still think that we can coexist peacefully.

[@jackie5164]

Whoever did the video editing couldn't find video of Pakistan.....*shakes head*

[@ns3359]

Australia doesn’t exist Panjab is divided between pakistan and India

[@VikramKumar-fl5fd]

Western nations are all about capitalisation. Anyway this model may be suitable for rich countries like japan, china, uk ,us and so on. But it will act as powder keg for indian system. This may be succesful under strict regulations to include atleast 40% of students from backward sections (economically as well as socially). But they will be subject to huge discrimination.. i am confused because i like the idea but i am also against agressive privatisation. "Privatisation but under strict rugulations" and we know privatisation and regulations are hardcore enemy of each other.

[@annabarr1304]

We decided on public school and put what we aren't spending on education in our child's savings. I'm still debating if it's the right thing to do in the long run.

[@salahaddin2009]

Why overcomplicate? A generous portion of the countries GDP should go to education for the masses, you invest x amount of money, the return on investment will be 10 fold. In return infrastructure, agriculture, sciences, business all get a boost in the long term. Inequality is unfair on every level, everyone should have the opportunity to thrive.

[@kwame176]

Absolutely not! So, if you cannot afford it, you don’t get a basic education? F that!

[@shad0wyenigma]

I can think of one simple policy that would allow private schools to stay open but would also mean that their negative effects on social mobility are negated. For every £1 a parent puts into a private school for their kids education, they must also put £1 in for a child on the lowest household income bracket to attend the same school. This would have the duel effect of making private schools 2x more expensive and engines of social mobility. Poor people would get a massive lift up. With fewer people going to private school overall, meaning that people have more of an inventive to invest in state run schools.

[@sjelucten7150]

I think parents should be responsible for their children's education. If they can't afford to have 4 children, why not just have one child, so that they can afford to send the child to a school in which the chich is safe and can study well.

[@aliikane]

She talks about inequality private schools but explains the reason herself why some families are able to send their kids to private schools. The reason, having less kids allows more money to be invested in them. Her example explains it exactly. In China where there is fewer offspring (usually only one or two), the parents and grandparents can pool more money and resources for only one or two kids rather than several kids and many grandkids.

[@dennisatkins9666]

Hands up to anyone who hasn't made a mistake .The caste system is as strong ever ,people know where to invest their money

[@mrbigpappy85]

As a product of a private university and public high school I could say it worked very well for me. I think there’s a place for both but I will say that if all high schools were public the wealthy and powerful in this country would actually have a vested interest in improving and directing resources into our public education system. In terms of utilitarian justice aka the greatest good for the greatest number of people the best thing would be to ban private high schools.

[@davidcooks2379]

Nobody is arguing that it doesn't work for the individuals who attend them, but how about for the rest of us?

[@tomlarpins7889]

I agree with her synopsis, private and public sectors should work in tandem

[@user-rm4yd2cl2k]

I think culture plays a large role in this, country culture and society. You can’t, and shouldn’t, tell everyone else how they should live, but you can try to take control of that for your own family. Even if your public school is safe, with nice teachers and good classes, your child is still being ‘raised’ by this environment more than by with you and your values as a parent of this child, and what a good perspective and direction means for your family. I think that private schools, ‘part schools’ (where athletes and artists get their own classes at certain times with the peers they study their craft with, but inside of a public school building. We had this in my city) and homeschooling programs and private classes are really important to give kids and parents choice, in the kind of way their child spends a lot of their time, what environment that is in. I do think that the government should offer parents who choose this option an ability to apply for partial funding. That said, it is mandatory to invest more in public systems, many people like them and need them, I certainly liked it when I was there, it was a really great school. I think leaving the private sector for rich investors should free up the government for public school investment. ;) these school types serve different roles; public schools are for people who want an easy going; multi culture vibe, and free education. Private schooling are usually of interest to families of kids living *usually* specific subject centred lives (like religious, arts oriented, sports, sciences, etc) and they both have their place and need to be invested in.

[@karlyoung6289]

Private education perpetuates wealth and privilege and it´s not about what you know, but who you know. It´s the old-school tie and the funny handshake. Only 7% of the population attends private schools, but they dominate the professions. So 74% of senior judges have been to a public school and Oxbridge, 71% of officers in the armed forces, 67% of Oscar winners, 55% of permanent secretaries in Whitehall, 50% of Cabinet ministers and members of the House of Lords, and a third of Russell Group university vice-chancellors.

[@trieweg]

Got Grindelwald here, stating that for the greater good, private education is worth the expense of poor people, for the few rich kids brains, and the innovations their rich families will fund. The ones us poor people will never see the benefits of.