A Narcissist interviews a SOCIOPATH

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Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition characterized by an inflated sense of self-importance, a need for admiration, and a lack of empathy for others. And here I discuss my own personal experience living with narcissistic personality disorder. Including the symptoms and behaviors associated with this disorder, as well as how it has affected my life. I also share some of my coping strategies and how I have been able to manage the disorder, along with helping you understanding your loved ones and their behaviors that may seem almost incomprehensible and potentially hurtful. Hopefully, my channel will provide insight into what it's like to live with narcissistic personality disorder, as well as what it's like for your loved ones. Thank you for watching!
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[@the6.23enigma]

35 year psychiatric nurse here…I am so proud of both you young men for your awareness, progress and dedication to recovery not only of self but for other souls! AMAZING! Much love and blessings for a continued beautiful, successful life!

[@Mechanically_Speaking]

I think it would be really helpful and healing if us so called "normies" would embrace cluster Bs and lift the stigma, thats the only way most of them will ever allow themselves to become self aware and seek treatment. Even then its a stretch its so deeply engrained. I try so hard to convince my ex that i truly do love her unconditionally and that im proud of her for being such a strong survivor, but shes very resistent

[@minoozolala]

@@Mechanically_Speaking Thinking like this is very silly. Narcs and sociopaths are extremely dangerous. They can't heal. Sad but true.

[@Mechanically_Speaking]

@@minoozolala depends where they are on the spectrum. Making generalized statements like that is very silly. And DANGEROUS

[@woosanki]

​@@minoozolalapeople like you contribute to them actually becoming dangerous, congratulations

[@Thenamelessnarcissist]

Awww thank you so much!! We both still have our issues and mess ups, but we try our best!

[@user-me3op3wg7v]

the non blinking "fish eyes" sociopathic stare, that's no myth lol

[@Jewifer333x2]

​@@danielimmortuos666 same. I have been told when I lock eyes I have a very intense gaze. But I too have borderline.

[@Decomposing_Corpse]

​@@danielimmortuos666Same but I have schizotypal disorder, girls often get scared of my gaze hehe

[@Jewifer333x2]

@@danielimmortuos666 yeah especially when so external stimuli it just kind of is reflexive. I dont mean to be a total dick, but I dont genuinely care about your feelings, just what you might do when I've caused you to become emotional.

[@AnotherediS]

He’s so hot though 🤤

[@Decomposing_Corpse]

@@AnotherediS Bro wtf, stop this g🅰️y sh❗t

[@ijszje]

There seems to be two kind of peoples regardless of their mental health. People who want to better themselves, become the best possible version of themselves and add value to society. And people who bring up the worst of themselves, victimize themselves and harm society. You guys are definitely adding value to yourself and society. Loads of respect. I’ve seen both people with personality disorders and without disorders get the best or worst out of themselves. In the end, the actions matter, not the label.

[@joeykoo3779]

Truer words have never been spoken.

[@4Mikes4Mindset4]

Perfectly stated

[@brandonharris9160]

Its not that simple. People give and take in different ways

[@allengordon6929]

Society hates the former and exalts the latter. They try to make the former the latter. Because society is composed of the latter. Society is more powerful and effective if it's inhabitants are addicted to and dependent on it's approval.

[@RenzoVodka]

I agree that their conversation contributes to understanding the issue so that as a society we become aware of what causes people to become narcissistic or sociopathic and that way we can hopefully avoid treating or neglecting our kids in certain ways to ensure a better mental health for them as much as possible.

[@fructosecornsyrup5759]

Ngl this sounds like a really cheesy setup for a joke. "So a narcissist and a sociopath walk into a bar..."

[@thomashunt6000]

ASPD/BPD that's a gnarly combo to live with.

[@Thenamelessnarcissist]

Same as my sister LOL

[@mikemcnelis2075]

Why they call it BPD.. EMOTIONAL DEREGULATION.. THAT CROSSES THE BORDERLINE TO FACTOR 2 PSYCHO = BPD..ALSO Most ARE ADHD..

[@stuff1784]

@@Thenamelessnarcissist😵‍💫 Do you think you and your sister’s diagnoses were affected by your childhood or is it genetic?

[@HrjneEhehhe]

yes, very common though

[@celeste8157]

I agree that sociopath and psychopath should be separate diagnoses. Psychopathy is basically a lack of emotions, but I find that sociopaths can be very emotional. Those strong emotions is what causes problems for them sometimes.

[@Jewifer333x2]

They are.

[@HrjneEhehhe]

@@Jewifer333x2 theyre not, psychopathy is not a diagnosis

[@WolfHeathen]

Antisocial personality disorder is the diagnosis. Psychopathy and sociopathy are both descriptors when diagnosing APSD. Sociopathy specifically is not even recognized as an actual clinical condition. And with all due respect, you can't actually know if a sociopath is "very emotional" in the genuine sense. They display emotions either for narcissistic and egotistical purposes or as a manipulation tactic to get what they want. They'll never cry for you as a sign of empathy. They'll cry for themselves to emotionally manipulate you.

[@starira]

Do your research. Both sociopathy and psychopathy aren’t technically diagnoses themselves in the first place. It’s simply just ASPD and what spectrum of it you lie on (high functioning and low functioning) And no, they do NOT have strong emotions. They in fact significantly lack it. That is the key factor for diagnosis. If you meant strong emotions in a different context, I’d assume the impulsiveness and excessive boredom displayed in (typically) low functioning ASPD.

[@WC-Koji]

Neither of the 2 are diagnoses

[@ange7422]

Really great interview on both sides. I loved that bit about how cluster B’s who have gone through treatment and recovery can actually be healthier than regular people who have never worked on themselves. So true I think.

[@Thenamelessnarcissist]

I know right?? one of the most encouraging things I've heard

[@pdquestions7673]

great comment.. if "healthy" means adapting to our circumstances and learning to be truly functional, then (as a person w NPD) I agree with you.

[@lesleybrown1583]

NOBODY can heal themselves ,maybe modify a few outward behaviours.ONLY Jesus your maker can heal your heart!Bless

[@ange7422]

@@lesleybrown1583 that’s a ridiculously harmful thing to say. “Nobody can heal themselves?!?” That’s stupid. Your “god” created free will right? “He” didn’t do that so we could just always choose wrong, in theory “He” did that so we could make our own destiny and carve our own paths and choose better for ourselves. Do everyone you ever speak to the goodness of never saying that again. The harm you do by telling people that “you can’t heal” is unfathomable. Just stop.

[@cyndigooch1162]

​​@@lesleybrown1583 I totally disagree with your opinion, even though I respect your right to have the view that only Jesus can heal people, which is a common one. I grew up in New Zealand and have had many traumatic experiences throughout my life, yet I've managed to do a lot of extremely difficult, not to mention painful, healing work by myself and hope to assist others eventually. ❤

[@thomashunt6000]

Something I've learned over the past few years is that social anxiety/GAD (which I was diagnosed with at 14) can also manifest with symptoms that are similar to ASPD, i.e. a dislike/distrust of other humans and society as a whole. Also can cause people to be easily agitated, aggressive and prone to violence. I find it interesting how different personality disorders and mental illnesses can manifest in the most unusual and seemingly unrelated ways. I guess the point of my comment is that the more we learn about and get to know ourselves the more control we can have over our symptoms.

[@straykittsco.950]

I have GAD and my ex has ADHD and sociopathy. It doesn't at all manifest the same way. You would need to either be in a relationship with a person with ASPD whether friend, family, or spouse to see the difference.

[@thecommonsensecapricorn]

So true! Im an adult child of an alcoholic and dysfunctional family, was also diagnosed with GAD as early as 8 years old because I had panic attacks every night and severe OCD up til high school. I share a lot of ASPD traits and have wondered if I was a sociopath or a narcissist. But I very clearly know that I have empathy and I get so much happiness from being kind and connecting with others in a deep way. But among what you mentioned, I also lack sensitivity and I suppose I am manipulative, but just in the way that I know I will get more assistance in life by playing up my sweet innocent girl qualities. I don't know if that's manipulative or just human. But I never manipulate for bad or at the expense of others, Im just extremely observant and analytical and have gathered data on how certain ways we act lead to what. But the lack of sensitivity definitely has to do with my upbringing - absolutely no one let me cry or feel sorry for myself, so I am repulsed by that behavior in others. It's something I'm trying to work on though because I know it comes from my wounds and empathy/sensitivity is a good thing.

[@pinapple60]

Absolutely, have you heard of PDA ? Just learning because looks like my Granddaughter of 28 months might have it, it’s part of the autistic spectrum makes a lot of sense.

[@pinapple60]

⁠Check out PDA something I’m just learning about because of my Granddaughter sometimes people are misdiagnosed.

[@Josh.Dave02]

@@straykittsco.950curious to know more?

[@NobodyHere44]

It's embarrassing to admit i was diagnosed with Paranoid Schizophrenia, Psychosis, ASPD, ADHD and just Psychopathy itself i take medication for my symptoms but i just don't want to feel judged by others i have a hard time living like this i live in the woods in a tent away from society for over 12 years because of this i don't want to hurt myself or others

[@LouiseDengate-wm6gq]

I think sociopath is a “hot” personality (anger/defensive/against others) and “loosing the temper” is when they get overwhelmed and the pre frontal cortex goes offline for a while and the PFC is the “guardian of good behavior” according to Raine, so when that goes off line things can get fruity. Whereas I think a psychopath is a “cold” personality (manipulative/calm/calculating) and they are born with a smaller than average amygdala (18% smaller than average) and so they just don’t feel emotions like regular people and don’t feel empathy. They are cold.

[@hellucination9905]

It's in they eyes.

[@zayan6284]

Yeah, you can see if somebody is fucked in the head or not from the eyes. I have crazy eyes too and it makes me wonder what kind of fucked up I am

[@reviewsgoodnbad7695]

You can see the fight flight response.

[@tajanssen]

Totally amazing, compassionate and appropriate response after the brutally honest and educational video these two gentlemen put out. Really. Kudos.

[@breemorrison901]

Actually, i think it is more in the blink rate of the eyes...

[@Floatingaccidentallike]

​@breemorrison901 that's what they meant, no doubt.

[@mioumioutoolate]

You can see from the body language who’s ASPD and who’s NPD. The NPD is on the empathy-connection-recognition-move. The ASPD is firm, laid back,.. Cool interview.

[@stormcorrosion176]

Weird ass people, all three of you.

[@nightowl334]

I think that comment illustrates very well what they talked about: that once they share their diagnosis, every single move of them is being analyzed and interpreted to fit some sort of stereotype the person has

[@dogtrainingmexico]

Fascinating interview. It seems that ASPD is largely due to major hardships and deprivation in childhood, and maybe environments with a lot of brutality or cruelty. So sociopaths have learned certain types of coping mechanisms, essentially they are survivors... which is very different from psychopaths, who were born with a chip missing in their brains

[@Kado1609]

life is complex... mother nature is not easy to figure out humans or animals... but its fascinating indeed

[@pandemicneetbux2110]

Not necessarily, there is a big difference between sociopathy and psychopathy. Psychopaths are born, not made. And so it is kind of like the difference between being a man with no legs, or who is literally paralyzed from the waist down, as opposed to someone who was forced to use a wheelchair for the first 15 years of their lives. And so while their leg muscles have indeed atrophied down to next to nothing, and while their instincts may be all wrong for walking, they *do* have the ability to learn to walk, they *could* still try and actually walk and learn how to use their legs with massive amounts of rehab and physical therapy. This is not so with the clinical psychopath that literally just does not have those brain structures there and active. So I think that it's really questionable dealing with ASPD as if they are all the same, and I don't mean to just write someone off as a total loss, but you're going to have a much harder time as a psychopath because psychopaths can be born to completely normal families and lack any empathy, and so it's more like autism. It really doesn't matter which family you get born into while having the genes for psychopathy, although in fairness its the upbringing which defines that nature of psychopathy, that is, the one raised by a family of quiet librarians and academics is more likely to just take a clinically detached perspective and be a functional adult and neurosurgeon, as opposed to the ones born and raised into hookers and addicts or mafia families who are going to be set up for being abusive street dudes since day one because that is what their parents are. But yes SOCIOPATHY is lol I'm sorry I just got to 28:10 "victimless crimes man victimless crimes like what's the problem" hahaha that's the most classic sociopathic statement ever. "Like I don't get what's the big fucking deal to you people, so what if I set a few mailboxes on fire and sold some smack, you know I didn't rob anyone or anything I didn't commit CRIMES I just broke some stupid laws." I'm sorry this is just very funny to me but anyway sociopathy is yes a bad upbringing thing and so the self sabotage is the saddest part about that, and you need to basically overcome it and work every single day from literally the moment you wake up to when you finally pass out resisting that internal urge, structure, or personality defect, partly because they are socialized so wrong by their parents and the people around them. I honestly expect public schools massively accelerate it and take any latent trauma or abuse by families and turn just abused kids into full on clinical grade sociopaths because now they've taken that abuse, power, control, and violence, as well as being smooth talkers and manipulative, or using deception and charm, and applied it at the entire societal level and now seen things as being in terms of societies and power structures and not just the people that abused them. So those are even harder to work on and you get like Klebold and Harris kind of guys, or street guys or even just corporate sharks and vulture Capitalists and power abusing corrupt cops from that background, when what normally it could have been is just a sort of hurt lonely child setup that at least that person can work really hard to overcome being taught the wrong lessons by their parents or abusive older brother or whatever. I think that what it takes is massive amount of time, energy, and concentration effort while being surrounded by "normal" people but the problem with that too is, I think, that because they are not like them, it just increases the alienation. And so I don't even know for sure that putting sociopaths in better social concepts is even a good fix, just because all that teaches them is more charm and better masking, than feeling a real connection with anybody. I strongly suspect that for most sociopaths, it is either another abused child or someone who has psychological issues or a borderline girl or something like that that brings them back from the edge. They basically seem to need to be around people that know where they are coming from, but can still love and be functional in a society. Of course, if you leave them around lots of street dudes and in an organized crime family they're never going to change for the better and are going to slip back immediately into their basic instincts so it is also important for them to get away from those bad environments like abusive homes, juvie system, and public school system. I'd imagine something like Montessori schools or something more like laid back scholarly environments that reward passionless critical thinking and functional cognitive empathy are places where they can thrive the best and begin healing the most.

[@dogtrainingmexico]

@@pandemicneetbux2110 very well explained

[@Vixinaful]

The sociopath I know has confirmed brain damages. "They found..Abnormalities" He said.

[@kalyasaify]

@@pandemicneetbux2110 brother, I love your bright mind, you're a good human being. feel hugged man bc you were dropping pure facts the way I wouldn't be able atm while PMSing 💀 your rhetorical skills are beautiful to watch and enjoy. thx for the fresh breeze. PS. but made one big mistake so let me correct you bc I'm autistic, you can trust me:we have NOTHING in common with psychopaths, pls never do that again bc we're the exact opposite. we're even more empathetic than neurotypicals, it's just damn hard masking 24/7 and then seeing we're being lied to the whole time by NT's so we have to also put a mask on for this case, so double masking for NOTHING. like wth, let us be weird bc neurotypicals are the weirdos to us with those nonsense social ettiquette just for pseudo harmony. We often feel what is happing inside you before you even know it, I understand why it triggers many ppl, that's why correct education is important. sry man but this triggered me hard ngl, no hate ❤️🦖 if you get what I mean and where on the same boat I would appreciate an edit bc the stigma with autistics lacking empathy is wrong and very hurtful for us neurospicy t-rexes 🦖 :C just bc we have our own way of living life and feeling things doesn't mean we lack a basic human emotion, that keeps us healthy, socialized and alive. I just prioritize a well made selection of two hands full of kind good humans and put my time in them. I don't have more time for risking my mental health, ppl are evil af, I know it, I analyze them since I opened my eyes. strange monkies those humans are... living their life not seeing the fire behind them. correct mental health education is a must to make a step further in the right direction.

[@highpriestessirkalla]

Why is everyone so rude. These people are coming on here talking from their experience. Its from a place where they’ve already grown. Regards of the issues they have people need to except that people can tweak their lives in a healthier direction and that just because they have a disorder, doesn’t mean they are doomed for life!! It takes balls to talk about it when you already know you are hated for what you are. What is concerning, is the people who are undiagnosed and use this disorder to their advantage!! These people are just not that. In fact I sympathise with them because at one point they were just kids who probably felt more emotions that we did and were that hurt they spiralled in that direction!!

[@DeltaTesla-ph9yh]

Don't worry too much. People with cluster B personality disorders don't feel many private emotions such as guilt or shame. They might get upset but that will pass. They couldn't care less in the long run.

[@sadhu7191]

Probably lots of narcissistic sociopaths in comments what did u expect??

[@user-kc5qi2oy1j]

Its not rudeness, they're projecting their trauma, as a subconscious reaction

[@rachaelbakkerrealestate]

Interesting when he made the comment about being sexually assaulted his mind went blank. It occurs when you revisit traumatic experiences and the mind wants to block it.

[@bristyday7217]

It made me feel very sad for him.

[@ChristineEbadi]

It takes a high level of intelligence to be this self aware.

[@v2ike6udik]

and zero empathy, you flying money

[@v2ike6udik]

say you are proud. say it.

[@KyraBorens-hh9mz]

Dangerous asf

[@ALLfemalesLiecheatnsteal]

❤they defend their own kind

[@claudym4640]

Nothing to do with intelligence, rather the result of years of therapy work. And if you listen closely you’ll still see traits that are still there, still ingrained and hidden from their own perception.

[@valentinelister8730]

Definitely agree on the connection between all of these disorders and CPTSD

[@kirstenroche8160]

Love the "all cluster B are borderline at the core" idea. That's how it's always struck me- it all comes down to intolerability for strong emotions and trauma, but the behaviours come out in different ways.

[@LocaButt]

Wait until Autism gets introduced into the formula...

[@DivineLogos]

Didn't Sam Vaknin say something similar? Along the lines of that a narcissist is a borderline but with defenses. Thus when the narc collapses, as in the defenses break, he becomes functionally and emotionally like the borderline(narcissistic injury).

[@SarahSB575]

I listened to a professor of psychology recently who argues that all Cluster B *and* other common mental health issues like anxiety and depression are all the same thing. Not being able to deal with strong emotions due to trauma and the only difference is the type of defence mechanisms we built up and the strength of those defence mechanisms (often relative to the amount of trauma). If you look in to schema therapy it basically says the same thing.

[@CopperKey555]

It’s definitely in the eyes. Very intense. Thank you for this video. I’m learning how to refrain from demonizing individuals who have these personalities.

[@noisyglamour]

It's so good to see someone else with BPD and ASPD. Look forward to watching this!

[@noisyglamour]

Absolutely fantastic video and so relatable and well articulated. Also Jacob fantastic questions. The revenge side for me is strong, if you do bad to me, I will retaliate and I have the mindset of "how dare you" it isn't okay and you will pay the price sort or thing. I have had a lot of previous issues with the police but couldn't put that down to my ASPD, more the upbringing I had and what I was taught was right and wrong. I call my BPD my humanity, how I describe it is that it levels me out and levels out the ASPD. They balance each other out and work together. In regards to Sociopath vs ASPD, if I had a preference it would be Sociopath but even though they're the same thing it feels like the word Sociopath has more negative stigma than ASPD. But yeah I smile when I hear or say the word. Thank you Jacob for the video I feel heard and seen. Joe you explained everything so well. Thank you.

[@Thenamelessnarcissist]

I'm really glad you related! Honestly it gave me so much comfort about my sister since she had the same conditions

[@Alias_Reign]

​@@noisyglamourappreciate your story, I find it fascinating the interactions between the mechanics of the two disorders considering parts of them seem to be contradictory to each other.

[@TheSahand68]

This is a valuable inside perspective. This interviewed sociopath has a deep insight into his problem, which makes him likeable.

[@samxsara]

Strangely I'd trust him more than the other guy lol

[@subhanair3881]

True.

[@subhanair3881]

​@@samxsarai don't know about that but the sociopath is certainly more likeable and relatable.

[@brasaepenta2002]

When 2 people know that nothing of what was said matters to either of them. Thats actually a deep bond

[@LORENNACORRAL]

CPTSD core makes so much sense especially when you said “Borderline will get in a relationship, NPD will get a new job based on a fantasy, and ASPD will go on a destruction spree.” It’s like all various forms of extreme coping for extreme chronic trauma you feel deep down you can’t escape from.

[@williamblaze5527]

The most important thing to remember is that everyone with psychopathy has ASPD but not everyone with ASPD has psychopathy..

[@paulgoogol2652]

The more important thing is to remember that one is a clinical diagnose and the other more of a slang word for rude people.

[@Yu-Rong86]

@@paulgoogol2652exactly

[@lalinera8279]

Something I noticed - as he was talking about his attempted sucide I felt empathy and when he finished talking, I was expecting the other guy to empathize but when he quickly moved on to another subject ...my mind felt uneasy but quickly realized that he is diagnosed with narcissism and would not know the emotional empathy therefore can not express it. I just thought this was a good insight. What some of us think is normal is not normal to others. We all live in one reality but we also have a secondary reality we live in (in out head). Some of us are empathic and others are narcissistic, sociopaths, bpd ....all of this are secondary reality.

[@samanthas2280]

As someone with ADHD and possible ASPD, I would want to swiftly move on from that subject. Being shown empathy always makes me uncomfortable. I don't know how to respond to someone caring. It's weird.

[@lalinera8279]

@samanthas2280 Wow, interesting. I never thought that giving empathy to some people might make them uncomfortable. Thanks for sharing your experience

[@samanthas2280]

@@lalinera8279 obviously I can't speak for everyone. But at least me personally... Yeah. It's a strange thing I'm finding. Like go ahead and say that's awful or whatever, but then... Dwelling on it gets weird for me.

[@chap8938]

I can understand your logic, but I think you're doing what the host often talks about where he says that people often view him as a 'narcisist' and then see him through that lense, and forget that he's an actual person. You've made the assumption that he handled that interaction that way due to his narcissism and overlaid a pathological response onto his reaction, effectively you've seen him as a 'narcisist' and failed to consider that he may have in fact felt an emotion (empathy) towards what he was saying, though chose to continue the stream of questions as that is the main purpose of the video.

[@lalinera8279]

@chap8938 Offering emotional empathy would not have changed the topic of stream. It is a normal social norm. For example, if you hear someone say they lost their loved one recently, you give comfort, condolences...it doesn't matter what kind of situation you are in...as a person, you know that emotionally, it is difficult for anyone to go through that. It is the behavior of comforting eachother that makes us social animals. I do see him as a person obviously. What I wrote is my observation. That moment was not a mistake. He was not in a rush. A person not addressing suicide, death, sickness, in general human suffering.....has some kind of issue. And that is what I pointed out.

[@WallyMahar]

These "eyes" comments...First Of Most, thank you for being brave and giving us insight about such things, thank you both. Don't pay attention to " the eyes" comments, I am sure such rude people who don't even care the people they make uncomfortable with these words ( that no one is asking for), that these people have their own idiosyncratic displays, probably much more off-putting then how often someone blinks per minutes, which many people blink at varying rates, this does not need to be pointed out to us or anyone... Those comments aren't funny, they don't bring anything to this discussion, and I'm calling you all out on it. Knock it off, you are no better than anybody else here. Before the same lot of you want to make the comment, Yes I know my grammar sucks & my run on sentences are infuriating.

[@MissileGuidance]

Thank you so much for stating this, some people are such shit heads

[@marcelusdarcy]

Yeah. Guarantee if this video wasn't about his disorder and he was just here to talk about some other topic and didn't disclose that he had ASPD, no one would even think to comment on his eyes

[@matthewgriffith9249]

BPD can be so intense, thanks for shedding light on these subject, it helps everyone, understand better.

[@estellesstories7467]

Raising hand: trauma is not the root cause of my personality. I was born this way (psychopathy).

[@harmonyvaneaton4101]

One interesting point: you mentioned that once you become self aware, you experience more internal suffering and cognitive dissonance. That's super wild because the most common side effects on other people in relationships with people who have cluster bs is cognitive dissonance. So in other words, someone is always suffering cognitive dissonance! How daunting.

[@stixsta6007]

As a UK parent of a lovely lad with adhd, aspd & bpd this interview was hugely insightful. The complexity of these personalities can indeed be such a struggle for those living it and those supporting it and even worse for those who simply don't understand it so thank you both for this discussion. However just to note my lad, now in his 30's, has achieved many things most of us would dare not contemplate as he is a risk taker and won't bow down to social norms but gets things done in his own, often chaotic, way, most of all he achieves being a single father on a daily basis, which I have the ultimate respect for, as we know parenting is the hardest job going!! Just wanted to share I'm immensely proud of my lad ❤ We still do clash at times, rarely now, but we both understand how exhausted our relationship can get and on that basis any authentic knowledge and lived experience on this is very beneficial and grounding... For me at least, 'cos he couldn't care less 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Just kidding, Cheers fellas 👍

[@knotsoangelic]

adhd isn’t a personality but i get what you mean

[@jessicaburrows6596]

You gentlemen are doing an amazing job in destigmatizing and humanizing the personality disorders as survival mechanisms. You're doing your personal work and educating others. Thank you. My father was a narcissistic socio/psychopath (I'll never know for sure) and I just ran into a horrifying experience with a cult that grooms its "Masters" (korean cult that taight Tai Chi, Somatics, and yoga-like fascial releases, which in itself is fucked up because they first heal you somewhat and then use the same methods to destroy you) into covert narcissists who then (because of the abuse and personality destruction of the cult) perpetuate sexual, physical, and psychological torture on their group members. I saw how some of it happened and the young man who was grooming me was simultaneously being groomed, I watched his personality morph on real time. It was beyond awful to witness, to be on the receiving end, and to feel helpless to do anything about it bc the power structure and the promise of power kept him locked in. I am trying to learn more so I can grow my compassion and remember the humanity of the people who acted like monsters towards me. ❤ I truly believe your sharing is vital and helpful. Thank you for being vulberable in this difficult world.

[@deonaeddy7749]

This sociopath is smarter thinking than most people ive met and seen. Love this guy

[@PaisleyMarie80]

People love their own kind.

[@deonaeddy7749]

@@PaisleyMarie80 I love everyone

[@PaisleyMarie80]

@@deonaeddy7749 You're acting like that's a virtue? Loving predators is not a virtue.

[@budawang77]

It's actually very rare for people with Cluster B personality disorders to be honest about their condition and to go public like this. There's no doubt that these are dangerous to others as well as themselves and are best avoided in real life, but thanks for sharing your stories.

[@straykittsco.950]

Yea, I don't get sociopath from is personality traits especially with his fear that his friends are mad at him when they don't call right back. Definitely seems like he has the spectrum of BPD but not sociopathy. Trust me, my ex is a sociopath and he was the complete opposite. He definitely didn't care if you didn't call him back because he was on to the next person.

[@lostgirl354]

@@straykittsco.950 he has both ASPD and BPD

[@okie-kan9240]

I agree

[@user-mz8xx8wd6c]

@@straykittsco.950 he did say he’s got both of the disorders.

[@user-kp6ud7ht4z]

@@straykittsco.950you’re not a doctor, are you -_-

[@abdielbullberg1875]

Thx for having this interview/ conversation. I have ADHD and ASPD as well, and could really relate to what he was saying. Used to be a criminally inclined drug abuser, though after starting ADHD meds and working out every day, I’ve put all that far, far behind me. It’s a struggle though as I sometimes just wanna hurt people physically and/ or verbally, though the thought of jailtime again, being on probation yet again and having to pay fines really stops me from doing so. Used to be suicidal as well though my dog, meditation, correct medication, working out and quitting illegal drugs fixed that as well. What can I say, I am what I am and work on myself every day to be and do better in life and with people.

[@caitlynhindley926]

You know The side when you just want to hurt people, I get that a lot nowadays. Used to be a inside emotion where I'd hurt myself to contain the danger I posed nowadays I stopped harming myself and kept my Socialness to a minium or I have my Partner with me. I still struggle to fit in with some Social norm and chose to hold this 'persona' that people see 'someone who looks capable of the situation' when the reality is im showing you this person so you don't know who I am really am. You don't need to know me you just need to know what I want you to know.

[@melissasmith8991]

Thank you for making this video happen, you are both amazing role models both for men and trauma survivors everywhere. You are living proof that the work is worth it

[@Ecovend]

The honesty and the openness about your mental health is so vital in today's world. You can not reverse your "condition", but being this truthful and brave is a long step towards not only healing yourself but setting an example for everybody else. I truly admire you guys, godspeed!

[@KShip148]

This was really illuminating. Thank you both!

[@AutisticBarbie]

I’m autistic so I view you boys as my less empathetic extended fam

[@katzpujama568]

Amazing interview, very enlightening. Thank you both!

[@phoebetaptiklis5122]

Thank you both. Great interview and questions.

[@RHathemoment]

Felt privileged to have watched this✨❤️ lovely talk. 🙂

[@genericbotface]

Excellent interview!! I learned so much. Thank you both.

[@simonbanks3058]

Props to you guys in being aware of who / what you are, speaking openly about it, and educating others on the condition / perspectives you experience. Everyone out there has different reactions, setbacks and potencies in feeling different things in day to day life. Many of us "neurotypicals" have flaws that you guys likely do not, that would likely baffle you guys too. Maybe they aren't as potent or noticeable as the conditions you both have, but they are there. Thanks for your metacognition and efforts in mitigating the harmful elements of yourselves, as we all should be, gents.

[@Dabdemonz]

This made me feel less alone🖤 thank you

[@CB19087]

I think my ex is a sociopath. She is nice enough and is high functioning. Her lack of remorse and empathy is a bit eerie. And in an intimate relationship there was a lot of controlling behaviour, lying and being manipulative. Very anti establishing too! And just something lacking in general. We stay in touch but I'm much more boundaried than i was and just try to give her what she needs (human connection on her terms) and have zero expectation of reciprocity

[@joeykoo3779]

wow, you managed to stay friends and humane with your ex despite her mental disorder. Good lad you are. Good to establish healthy boundaries for yourself too.

[@courtneycann7597]

Way to go guys!!! This was so well done!🎉 🤍🙏🏻 Joe!!! You done did it sonnnn! 👏🫂

[@Alias_Reign]

Great interview brother, and really cool hair. You're well reseached and honesty this had better information than 99% of the so called psychology channels on here. Keep up the good work!

[@eugenelewis2249]

Thank you both! I agree with the CPTSD core as a scaffolding for many Cluster B adaptations.

[@hfortenberry]

Every life has a purpose or you would not be here. Sometimes it's hard to know your purpose but I've found that by just continuing to follow your positive emotions, whenever you can access them, over the long-term, you will get closer and closer to knowing what you were meant to do in this life and that will feel more and more fulfilling. I wish you both love and a fulfilling life. It took me about 20 years to figure it out but now I absolutely know my purpose and am passionate about it and fulfilled. We ALL can obtain that over time. Just keep going. You guys have already achieved so much in life just by breaking the cycles of toxicity and abuse from your childhoods. That's a beautiful thing and you should feel proud of yourselves. Hugs to you both!

[@solitairerivera1626]

You have helped me so much with these interviews, please keep it up. Love to see some cluster a too. Joe ur 100% relatable - my peoples!

[@rosieferries464]

Great conversation, thank you!

[@genesis650]

Amazing interview Guys 😊 I have a family full of mental health issues. My sister being a schizophrenic is the one which gets the most stigma. Yes, she hears auditory voices and has done many inappropriate things due to her illness but she is not aggressive whatsoever and is a very sweet person afflicted. Keep up dispelling myths and providing brilliant content 👌

[@ioanaanaoi8232]

Excellent interview. Someone made a valid comment: a selfaware narc or sociopath that undergo treatment are better than normals that have traits of both. Glad to see you are so well informed and there is a lot to learn from you. Thank you both.

[@Name-bn3vo]

Wtf are you talking about 😂😂😂

[@Name-bn3vo]

@theolouk9346 Enjoy being gullible and manipulated by cluster B personalities. 😂😂 He makes money from the videos, that's why. I've seen so many people simp for self-declared cluster b personalities, and they literally tell you how evil they are, and still, people with tiny IQs who are wishful thinkers will still buy thier bullshit. Hilarious. 😂

[@miryreina925]

Thanks for this interview...this will hopefully make many of us RUN...RUN AS FAST AND AS FAR AWAY AS YOU/WE CAN !

[@carole1864]

Thank you for sharing and being honest. Continue the self-care and accept that other people care

[@MyRedCarrot]

If society is fucked up isnt it just healthy to be against the society? As Krishnamurti said, it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. I am against society too, in a way, but I am not antisocial or sociopath. It seems more like a political/philosophical stance than a disorder.

[@allieaudio9965]

Right on point! Society is above all a social construct and is defined by the majority of the community. In the place where I live it is considered perfectly normal to abuse and torture animals because they are...well...animals...It is not even seen as wrong. Also, it is normal to verbally and even physically abuse people from LGBT community or any community that is considered "different"...In Iran it is normal to beat women who are not wearing hijab, in Afghanistam it is normal to stone a woman to death for leaving a house without permission, in Jemen it is normal that a 55 year old marries an 8- year old...Am I to accept that just because it's normal somewhere? For me any kind of abuser should bite the sidewalk if you know what I mean. And if that makes me mentally ill, so be it! I'll gladly be the illest of all.

[@extazygirl88]

All the comments about THE EYES are so hilarious to me 😄 anyway love the work you put into your lives and this interview

[@suzanne7277]

Thank you for this video, I love educating myself about personality disorders. I believe there are different spectrums of it and no 2 people are same, we all have our individual characteristics, that’s what makes every person unique. You look very much like my New Zealand ex, but a much younger version of him - you have the same nice eyes and similar features. He had something too, different but was quite loving towards me until the split, he got nasty and took away everything he gave me, he discarded me. Later he did try to come back to me but I didn’t take him back and moved on. I do miss him though and think of him sometimes. I think we learn from all our relationships, they bring a little something into us and we in them. Keep up the great videos ❤

[@Dsgabi456]

Jacob, the job you are doing on line is so important. You might not even know it, but you are shining a light in the world by exposing your condition. I really wish you inpprove in Therapy and bring light to your symptons ! You may not see it but there are amazing things that make you a good person. Lots of love

[@jessenagy9302]

Felt like I was listening to myself talk. Dropped out of school and never thought lying about a college degree was anything other than checking the box on some HR managers chart as they complied to nonsense system of poor education and indoctrination. Adulting is hard and sportsball is a waste of human experience… don’t even get me started on revenge

[@samk.4158]

It's in his eyes damn, but cool interview dude seems smart . You're heading the way for personality disorder research

[@Thenamelessnarcissist]

He's smart as hell. He's the me of ASPD lmao

[@thenextbigthing1393]

​@@Thenamelessnarcissist 😂😂

[@Brxwn9]

Fr I was saying

[@N0N4M30]

@@Thenamelessnarcissisthis eyes are dead bro lol

[@loveoneanotherdonthate]

@@N0N4M30 thats what YOU see in him ;-)

[@radarada7954]

Thanks for spreading awareness! It was very interesting to listen!

[@Weirtoe]

A recovered cluster b is probably more healthy than a normal person, who has never worked on themselves. So true! What a great quote

[@lilwinged5291]

I learned in therapy for major depression how it was on a spectrum and that's SO important to understand. You have Sociapaths that work hard at managing their lives ,understanding themselves and idk if it's a change as much as it's a choice not to act on.. One may lie habitually, tell stories and screw your boyfriend. Another may spit in peoples food all the time. My sister was a spitter, liar , theif , beat my ass .. made me fight people, shoved me in weird places. But she didn't kill me and she also had a hilarious sence of humor and she was fun 😂.. i miss her , i choose to stay away from her now but seriously she was so important to me for decades. But when i learned how real certain hate feelings were for me , i had to stop seeing her... I'm happy hearing this guy ❤.. i don't think he cares if anyones happy with him as much as he just wants a better life for himself.

[@CallMeNevermore]

I wonder what his affective and cognitive levels of empathy are like. Hopefully there’s a second part to this, maybe even a live stream. This was nice to listen to.

[@Thenamelessnarcissist]

Live stream is a GREAT idea!

[@bellawilde2169]

They have no ability to empathize that’s only one of the reasons they destroy the people around them .

[@goldscales]

​@@bellawilde2169do you just not understand what cognitive empathy is? Please read 🗿

[@bellawilde2169]

@@goldscalesI do, what’s your point?

[@genericbotface]

​@bellawilde2169 People with ASPD are able to access cognitive empathy. So either you don't know what that is (and how it differs from emotional empathy), or you don't know the basic information out there about ASPD... is the point, I believe.

[@Jb-ky8tb]

Very very interesting, thank you❤ just stumbled over this video and I really am intrigued to know more about your point of view

[@A.BC-]

Great learning interview. Nuff said... 🤗.

[@reverentalexanderchezeley-6367]

Yes I've been a member of alcoholics anonymous to sinse 2002, joined when I was 28. I'm 49 now. Work the 12 steps daily. I've had about roughly 18 years sober time. Well done son your an inspiration to your aspd brethren. Saint Anger Wales. Great Britain.

[@Jessica1201jmm]

I've always wondered how comorbidity of BPD & ASPD would present itself. Combined with your perspective is very interesting! 🎯

[@sleepyjo9340]

As an aspd/bpd/adhd this is spot on. You'll find me deep in the woods FAR away from people than ever 'socializing'.

[@marybischoff-moore8615]

Thank you for your honesty and beautiful delivery another great podcast!

[@Invisibility397]

You both have remained in positive alignment regardless of the shit others have given you. I believe that you will definitely be able to make a difference in society

[@thegoodgreekgirl2190]

He has no warmth in his eyes. they look distant

[@qetsiyah1766]

what a rude thing to say

[@lachousalle31]

That comment right there was rude af. He's a person. You sound like more of a sociopath than he does.

[@MegaMarVerde]

@@qetsiyah1766it’s not rude at all. This is simply facts! Stop being sensitive.

[@qetsiyah1766]

@@MegaMarVerde except it’s not a fact. people with personality disorders are still people. there are many people with antisocial personality disorder in the U.S. with many seeking therapy. criminalizing them only serves to create a self fulfilling prophecy.

[@MegaMarVerde]

@@qetsiyah1766 it’s sounds like you are one of them. Stop defending these predators. Have a nice day!

[@moonlightstargem1006]

I like this a lot it makes me feel less alone ❤ sometimes i wonder if i have anything. I have bipolar but i seem to feel like i am lacking in empathy lately

[@user-kg3tm7ue1s]

That is normal with BPD.

[@unicornmagic8511]

Love this content much more helpful then anything else I've seen ❤ xxx

[@dylanl2258]

Deeply interesting and informative. Thanks.

[@sweet2sourr]

I love to see these ads on your videos 👏🏼 I’m watching them all 😅

[@sandradoyle1999]

RIGHT I never skip ads here HAHA

[@religiohominilupus5259]

Oops, I mostly skip 'em--unless they're US ads, which I rarely get. Damn algorithm isn't all that smart after all. Lol

[@simonbanks3058]

I am neurotypical and have a Sociopath as a friend, and another who is a Narcissist. I do see logically how interest in one's own gains is advantageous, and even imperative for us all to succeed. The only thing I don't get re them both (they aren't friends) is that their approaches seem to be so heavily (even comically) focused on their gains in the short term, but so so lacking a long-game plan. It seems to be a policy of very short term, sharp benefit in return for a range of mid and longer game negative outcomes for them. E.g: losing friendships, losing trust of broad swathes of people, creating sometimes dangerous enemies committed to revenge, an overall bad reputation not just socially but professionally also. Thus a refusal of others to cooperate with them further, hampering their advancement etc as a whole. Fascinating, and I have to admire their resourcefulness and agility in the short term, particularly in business. I wonder, does either type see a kindred spirit at least in a sense with a psychopath, or are you as disgusted and as baffled by them as we are? :)

[@wolfette25]

This is so insightful and kudos to you for understanding yourself. The fact that it has nothing to do with being right or wrong, but triggers because of things that have happened to you. Not everyone with ASD knows this about themselves. So many things rang so true about reactionary behavior, pride in performance at work and so many other things. It was fascinating. Would love to know how you reached that place of self awareness? How to help someone become self aware if they have ASD?

[@idontcheckmynotifications7138]

I'm the female version of the male with aspd. I've never heard a more accurate description about myself. Wow.

[@tothemoon8465]

Really great interview! To be able to speak openly about this is so freeing to watch. Thank you for the work that you do!

[@Thenamelessnarcissist]

Thank you!!!

[@Fnelrbnef]

This is reeally interesting. I've been waiting for a video like this. !

[@jonno777]

2 brave men. Thank you for sharing 🙌👍you both connect well together here

[@religiohominilupus5259]

Been waiting for this, thank you J. and J.! 🔥 Ho-ly f*ck, except for a few differences, I totally relate! I always say that I'm the nicest person you'll meet--unless you step on my toes, then hell hath no fury. RE expressions, I actually left a comment on another channel a long time ago, saying that I prefer the term "sociopath" over "AsPD." Due to the misconceptions and the stigma though, I've changed my mind and now prefer the latter. Apart from that, sociopathy isn't synonymous with "pure" AsPD, but it's still a subtype, similar to the BPD/NPD subclassifications. Yep, we definitely have our own moral code. You harm someone we deem as needing protection, you're toast. Btw, you heard me say that CB peeps who underwent therapy are much more advanced than "norm-al" folks who haven't, and I stand by that. Anyway, would love it if you guys did more collabs.

[@Thenamelessnarcissist]

Damn I so glad you relate in a weird way LOL

[@wheatstonebridge]

I wish I was more sociopathetic sometimes. It must be nice not to feel guilt or remorse and be able to easily block shitty people. I wish I could do this easily.

[@user-kg3tm7ue1s]

Blocking toxic people is healthy. I'm not a sociopath and I do that to protect my little family from drama

[@terezafatima7332]

​@@user-kg3tm7ue1sI think the person is talking about emotional detachment. This is one of the most clear sign: you can pretty much avoid people and left people forever without caring and feeling nothing about it.

[@nightowl334]

Incredibly interesting discussion!!! Thank you two so much for being so open and de-stigmatizing. It helps a huge lot in perspective-taking and understanding the cluster B so much better, especially when every other source of information seems to be so misinformed. I am also very impressed by how self-aware you two are. It was very nice to be able to listen to!!

[@pygmalionsrobot1896]

I admire your sense of introspection ... even though I have a strong aversion to both of these things. I think that the person who is going to benefit the most from your self work - is you. So, do it for you and be your best self. Because there are many things / mechanisms in society which can fan the flames of the disorder, whether deliberately or totally by accident ... those antagonizing forces are out there. And you do not want to die from this. It's a horrible way to die. Be well & good luck.

[@petmom74]

Thanks so much, guys. As a lifetime empathic victim of narcs and sociopaths, this helped me so much. No longer do I think of those people who struggle with these issues as monsters. Some psychologists out there on YT want us to believe that narcs are hopelessly sick and will never change because they don’t think anything is wrong with them. These videos are certainly eye openers for sure. Much gratitude for you both. Keep up the good work and keep the videos coming, please!

[@kcaaprillady]

Them at the Beginning: I'm a narcisist🥰 I'm a sociopath😍 Hahawhhwwhuwwhuwwhahahwh

[@ericac9634]

Very illuminating, thanks.

[@waveythoughtsandtalks6432]

Interesting stuff Jacob!!!!

[@marijevos6393]

I absolutely love this interview, you're one of the only people who can make me watch interviews this long :) I am so glad to hear so much about aspd, the internal experience has been such a mystery, such a shame.

[@kellyrivers4769]

I commend both of you for speaking honestly to the disorders. Clusters B's are a very challenging construct and defense mechanism for the diagnosed and the people in their lives that they affect. Thank you

[@lolon6605]

Thank you for sharing yourself with us

[@RDHayes]

I'd love to see more interviews with the two of you and more interviews particularly like this where you basicaly run through the likes and differences between two personality disorders.

[@celeste8157]

Did you see his eyes when the music went off on your computer?!? That right there is the perfect definition of a sociopath- they're always waiting for a threat. It's like their brains are always in defensive mode.

[@natalielawrence8809]

That could also be from trauma though...

[@matiue7845]

no

[@jowells6096]

They are calculating! They love deeply, obsessively even sometimes, but the drive to get something easy or for free is pathological... predatory! I see the cogs turning with my friend and I then have to be one step ahead as a psychologist and think about how we can navigate both our psyches towards common goals x Great interview, thank you ❤ x

[@Sadbuttrue-ThatSwedishGirl]

Wow! What a high level of self-awareness! Impressive! ❤️❤️❤️ I think most of us are walking trauma-responses just in different severenesses😅 If you become aware of that you can start to heal if that is what you choose. 🙏I am on my healing journey too.

[@kcosminhz7988]

congratulations, you are Human! and im sorry that anyone has ever made you feel less. and thank you for the educational video. i know this sounds extra nice, im not trolly, i just appreciate whats going on here. education is truly key to understanding ourselves.

[@bikergirl420.]

I can relate to a few things Jo has described. Wondering if thats the adhd, either that or clusterbmilkshake was right on her past comment regarding us adhd’ers are for the watching 🙈😂 This was a great interview Jacob & Jo & a topic I’ve been wanting to learn a lot more of. I agree Jacob, learning more of what’s going on internally & the thought processes would be very helpful in understanding aspd. I realise every person with a condition is different. Can you ask Jo next time if he sees people as objects? How does Jo view/treat friends & has this changed over time being self aware & doing the work? What age did Jo become fully self aware? Does Jo take medication for adhd & if so how does it change his aspd & adhd symptoms internally & externally.

[@ImpulsoCreativo9322]

Would love to know this

[@Thenamelessnarcissist]

I'll relay these to him! I also think me and him should do a live per another commenters request!

[@ImpulsoCreativo9322]

@@Thenamelessnarcissist and then with a psychopath

[@bikergirl420.]

@@Thenamelessnarcissist yes please do this! 🔥🔥🔥

[@veebliss1266]

This is amazing content 🎉😍💘 Jo and Jacob , these hunks must do MOREEE ❤ 🔥🔥 Jo how is your relationships , do you need a partner to feel stable and secure ? Since you mentioned you have an identity is your relationships for any resource your lacking or is it for your own kind of “love” and what is love defined as to you?

[@Thenamelessnarcissist]

HAHAHA I'll ask him!