A NEW LOOK! - Linux Mint 21.1 Impressions

[@keyboard_g]

The Mint team just replaced the entire compositor Muffin. This is the ground work for Wayland. They will embrace Wayland when Wayland will work without issue for all the users.

[@leopard3131]

That is an impossible standard "work without issues for all users". First as Nvidia is closed source it is up to Nvidia not Wayland to resolve issues with Nvidia. Second Xorg like all software has bugs your standard of "work without issues for all users" does not exist for any piece of software. Mint will use Wayland when the mint developers get to it. Again this is a problem when you use Mint which is a derivative of Ubuntu which is a derivative of Debian. So in general and almost certainly with large changes such as Wayland you will wait until Debian does the work, and then Ubuntu adopts the work, and finally Mint. This is one of the reasons people are starting to move away from all these minor distros and stay with, in the case of Mint, Debian. There is an equilibrium between using a mainstream distro and a fringe distro and there advantages and disadvantages. In the case of Wayland the disadvantage is that each of these fringe distros rather than working with Wayland hold out and will have to scramble at the end to do the work themselves. In the case of Wayland far better off for the Mint team to go with Debian and concentrate their efforts on the things they are good at rather than ignore progress. If they want xfce or whatever on Wayland far better off to work with upstream then recreate the wheel. Smaller features such as themes are much easier for Mint.

[@tgrush1253]

@@leopard3131 As a matter of fact, neither Debian nor Ubuntu need to do any work here. Muffin, the window manager and compositor that Linux Mint forked from GNOME's Mutter is now on version 3.36.x, which in theory very well allows for a Wayland session. Of course it would be preferred to have an even newer base to benefit from bug fixes and new Wayland Protocols that upstream Mutter has. Additionally, Nvidia is becoming more usable on Wayland day by day. I was using SwayWM (Wayland Re-Implementation of i3) on my Nvidia GTX 960 for a couple of months now with only minimal issues, until I decided to try the Linux Mint beta to report some bugs. To get back to the Ubuntu and Debian thing: The reason they don't need to do anything is because of how neither Debian nor Ubuntu are big contributors to projects like Mutter or GNOME. GNOME has already made a lot of progress in getting their Wayland session to be near-flawless, to the point where some distributions decided to enable GNOME's Wayland sesson by default even with Nvidia's Proprietary Drivers. Additionally, Nvidia's drivers being open-source would not mean that *suddenly* Wayland would just work, and other drivers being open-source also isn't the reason those drivers work with Wayland. Edit: I want to add that since Linux Mint 21.0 Beta 1, Linux Mint is automatically installing and updating XWayland, which hints at how Linux Mint might be working on Wayland support.

[@MarkHobbes]

It's better be quickly instead of waiting others doing.

[@leopard3131]

@TG Rush unfortunately my response was deleted making this nothing but a conversation with yourself on a self serving platform. Let me know when I am permitted to speak. For those who did not see my response I was not trolling merely pointing out the work but Debian and Ubuntu are doing to implement Wayland. As mint is a derivative of Ubuntu which is in turn derived from Debian mint is thus dependent on the work of those two distros. If mint were its own distro like fedora arch suse etc you work would be independent. Independent distros like arch and fedora have Wayland working for 6+ years as they do not have to rely on Debian or Ubuntu.

[@eijentwun5509]

@@leopard3131 I dont know what you are babbling about...but one this is for Sure: Xorg is ten times READIER for use than Wayland...PERIOD.

[@netwalker-1]

I have Mint 21 (Cinnamon) running flawlessly on 3 of 6 computers in my house. It's he most pleasant experience when you simply need to use a handy & reliable desktop OS without nonsense corporate arbitrarieties...

[@vinnylivoti9567]

Nice overview. I'm old school and have been using Linux Mint for 12 + years. It is a solid and stable desktop to get things done for a daily driver. I have tried many distos, some I loved some hated but always back to LM for myself and friends and family who use Linux.

[@iqbaltaufiq17]

my wish is, I hope they tweak cinnamon to make a sleek, feature rich action center like in gnome where I can control a lot of things like music player, dark mode, volume, screen brightness, wifi, and bluetooth in one place

[@sjambler]

Good review. The Mint Software Manager was already better than most others at distinguishing between .debs and Flatpak apps. This is an improvement. The only thing that would get me to switch (probably to Pop!_OS) would be if Wayland and Pipewire start to have clear advantages over Xorg and Alsa, and Mint doesn't make the switch.

[@prettysheddy]

I wonder if the mint team will ever go to more enterprises. They already have a solid base with a good release schedule and are known for being stable. I think they should work on some enterprise features: AD integration, easy gui way to join realms or organizations etc. I think mint can be a great enterprise alternative.

[@mindright9771]

Totally agree with you on this.

[@JoussefJouda]

Agreed!

[@afanhaqulfadillah6992]

For the look 1) Use the default app icon instead of custom icon (I hate that firefox icon) 2) Apply rounded corner on the bottom as well, or just don't do rounded corner That would be perfect

[@renealbrechtsen9743]

Cinnamon has always been one of my favorite desktops. Seeing them continue to modernize it is just great. :)

[@weab]

The updated icons look very nice. I've always felt there was a bit too much green everywhere. The mouse cursor clashes a bit, though.

[@mjdxp5688]

As a mobile viewer, thank you for the 125% scaling, makes it so much easier on me.

[@jackevansevo]

Have been on Linux Mint for the last 3 months, and have fond memories of the distro from many years ago. A bit sad to see the departure from the classic green colour scheme, this is what made the distribution 'feel' like Linux Mint to me (suppose I can always change it back). Also wondering when cinnamon/mint will end up with Wayland + Pipeware. I can see Pipewire is available in the latest Ubuntu mate.

[@terryforsythe8083]

Speculation on my part, but I think the Linux Mint team is waiting for Wayland to reach feature parity with X11 and get more of the bugs hammered out before switching.

[@tgrush1253]

@@terryforsythe8083 For window management and window compositing, the Linux Mint team forked GNOME's Mutter, which is already pretty good at Wayland (even on Nvidia surprisingly) So, Wayland might become something to expect in the next couple of releases Additionally, I noticed how since Linux Mint 21.0 Beta 1, Mint started downloading and updating XWayland automatically 🤔

[@tgrush1253]

Pipewire would be great to see by default on Mint! for now, I'll just resort to installing it manually myself :)

[@terryforsythe8083]

@@tgrush1253 Muffin was forked from Gnome 3's Mutter ten years ago. Importing Mutter's current code may not be such a simple task. Also, Gnome has significantly greater development resources than Linux Mint - 10x greater financial support the last time I heard and development resources from Red Hat, etc. Wayland is the future, and Linux Mint probably will make the switch sometime, but I don't expect this in the near future - it is not an easy task. KDE has had Wayland support for a while, but it still has a way to go before it is on par with their X11 implementation, but they are making progress.

[@RACAPE]

I always liked Mint. I have some friends with old laptops and they asked me if I can “save” the laptop with another windows or alternative. I already installed Linux Mint on 2 laptops and my friends are more than happy. I used all the major Linux distros, but for a new Linux user and for stability, from my point of view, Mint is #1.

[@yurtlew2280]

I think it is cool that they also have included more icon theme options: papirus, breeze, numix, and all the yaru colors.

[@motoryzen]

I agree with Robotta.....a one click battery profile toggle deal would be a very welcome improvement to Mint specifically for laptops.

[@jimw7916]

I would LOVE to see an option such as what they do in MXlinux, where you can make a complete iso snapshot of your entire system and write it to a USB stick, either as a backup or to transfer or make portable, your pc setup. Its the BEST "app" that was EVER implemented in Linux.

[@Spirrwell]

What app is this? Does it work outside of MX Linux?

[@jimw7916]

@@Spirrwell no it wont work outside mx....its called MXsnapshot

[@Spirrwell]

@@jimw7916 Aw.

[@askhowiknow5527]

I’ve had strong differences with Mint’s design, including the icons, logo, color choices, and now a bizarre cursor. Ugliness aside, I love it more than anything. Their emphasis on stability and security makes them the best: good is great.

[@JoeZyzyx]

what desktop you used?

[@erned8445]

well, that's exactly my thought about Mint. while the overall performance and stability are good, the default theming is rather questionable. it's very easy to change though

[@darthcabs]

I think the fun is to have various different distros around. If we try to bring a feature parity between them, then they lose their uniqueness. For me it's nice to look at Mint and see how different it is from Gnome and from KDE

[@FrDismasSayreOP]

Mint is solid, stable, and easy to work with. Not the latest and greatest look, but I tweak it to my like.

[@mdavid1955]

Linux Mints main strength....It works "out of the box" little if any tweaking required. It just works with minimum of "fuss"

[@ararune3734]

And customization also comes with minimum of fuss

[@TeodorSobczak]

So you say there are some other people like me that run mint for years? I sometimes have an impression that other Linux users look down on me for that reason. On the other hand a powerful and well integrated HUD would be always welcome. Still I don't understand why that invention is not a standard. I would also be more than happy to see something like a krunner and a drop-down terminal like tilda.

[@leopard3131]

If you are happy with Mint by all means continue to use it. Don't let those other people get to you they generally are not as superior as they think they are.

[@parker_chess]

I've been using Mint for about 10 months now. I like Mint because its clean and stays out of the way. Everything works I never have any issues.

[@Blueeeeeee]

A friend of mine recently switched to Ubuntu (from Windows) and I had to make him revert to the X11 session to get Discord screen sharing working. I don't think there's any reason Mint should hurry supporting Wayland for now.

[@ararune3734]

Hmm I use Ubuntu and my screen sharing never had a problem, how did he install Discord? Flathub, snap, apt?

[@hamobu]

When I switched from Mint to Kubuntu I was amazed how similar Cinnamon was to KDE. Like some of the dialogs and settings were very similar.

[@guilherme5094]

Really nice👍

[@terryforsythe8083]

I’m glad Linux Mint still is using X11/Xorg. Wayland may be the future, but it is not quite there yet.

[@leopard3131]

How do you know that if you don't run Fedora or Arch? Fair to say Ubuntu and thus Mint is behind.

[@terryforsythe8083]

@@leopard3131 as they say when you assume... (incorrectly in this case).

[@oShinobu]

Even though I currently use Fedora, I really appreciate the traditional no-nonsense approach from Linux Mint.

[@Mumrik93]

I'd replace the Mint-Y theme with the Adapta-theme, it also has dark gray and teal (green/blue-ish) colour scheme, and in my honest opinion still looks better and more professional then the minty-theme. They could also add shadows behind the font on desktop Icons, would make them easier to see/read if you have a light colored wallpaper. So yeah.. Pretty much only small things. Besides that I really love Mint.. It's a solid distro!

[@jozsefizsak]

When you're old enough, it will become apparent that the only reasonable definition of Modern is whatever is new to you. Sure, I have a notion of what looks and works better but the relentless pressure for changing "dated" looks is pretty tiresome when the clamoring is for meaningless adherence to fads that will be ridiculed as ugly and dated in a few years anyway. That said, I'm fine with what Mint is doing, apart from years ago adopting the circular logo in place of the splendid and distinctive stylized mint leaf.Nice video overall, old man.🙂

[@gianniinnocentin949]

greetings from Italy ... a suggest from you. I am a happy user of Mint 21, recently i installed Mint LMDE on my second notebook with good performances and i was almost ready to do the same on my useful notebook. What is your suggest ? Do you think it will be better waiting for 21.1 ? thank you very much PS : i always use blue as mi default color in dark desktop ! :)

[@martymccafferty7510]

I like the stability of Mint. Wayland is not on my list. I am glad they do not have a rush to "Modernize". I find a lot of modernization not a positive but just change for change sake.

[@leopard3131]

Well if you don't like Modern why don't you use DOS? They even have an open source version FreeDOS? If you must be a bit more modern go with Slackware it is the longest running distro, rock solid, and no intention for any modern features?

[@darthcabs]

You're absolutely right! No need to rush Wayland and affect NVIDIA users. If I wanted half-cooked features that don't bring anything new, I'd use Gnome

[@leopard3131]

@David Cardoso or don't use Nvidia. It is wrong to blame any open source project, not just Wayland, as Nvidia is closed source. Direct your issues to Nvidia not Wayland it is much more accurate to say Nvidia is crap as their cards simply don't work with modern graphic technology as Wayland is well established and has been default on Fedora since 2016 so Nvidia is at least 6 years out of date.

[@Spirrwell]

@@leopard3131 To be fair to NVIDA, they have put in effort recently to have better Wayland support. I've found that Wayland stuff seems to work fine. There are definitely some applications which don't have a Wayland backend and as a result you get black screens and such on NVIDIA. I don't know if you can pin blame solely on NVIDIA at this point. Even if they're... NVIDIA.

[@leopard3131]

@Spirrwell if the problem exists on other graphics cards then it would be something the open source community would address you would file a bug report. But if the problem exists on Nvidia cards alone it will be presumed a Nvidia problem. Test the app on a non Nvidia card and file a bug report with the appropriate group.

[@MyurrDurr]

ooo Bibata cursor by default... Yay!! Bibata is my favourite, I even use it on Windows :')

[@BrunoNoceraZanette]

I'm a daily user of Mint for ~8 years (it's my main and only OS for everything), since version 18, and it's incredible to see how much it gets better on every point/major update. It's a consistent and reliable desktop. I've thought about changing to Gnome sometimes, but there are so many more things that botter me about it (or pure Ubuntu, most of times LOL). Imho, Mint is a perfect balance between features, usability and stability. I'm starting to miss PipeWire, specially because i bought a bluetooth fone and it doesn't work as i intended without it, but i'd rather live without a bluetooth fone than having constant problems with daily tasks. So, since there still are some not solved problems about PipeWire/Wayland, i fully support the decision to postpone to a future update.

[@Gabr64]

É possível ativar o pipewire no mint, eu utilizava ele e funcionava bem.

[@BrunoNoceraZanette]

@@Gabr64 Eu sei que dá, e inclusive já fiz em uma outra partição de teste. Por isso sei que funciona com o Pipewire. A questão é que dessa forma eu estaria usando algo que não foi testado, não foi validado com outros programas, não sei se vai quebrar após alguma atualização... Eu já fiz mto teste quando usava o Pc apenas pra brincar, mas no momento em que um SO passa a ser usado profissionalmente a história muda bastante. E justamente por isso que eu apoio a decisão de atrasar isso. Até mesmo o Ubuntu ainda não virou a chave totalmente. Porque ou eles atualizam, testam tudo e se comprometem que o sistema vai funcionar, ou não fazem...

[@JoeEnderman]

I think 21.1 is almost everything I wanted to add.

[@goodcitizen4587]

Mint works great on my Asus, Dell machines, and also my new Beelink mini PCs.

[@SprunkCovers]

I have the feeling that Mint will introduce Pipewire and Wayland when version 22 comes out in a couple of years, yes it is a long time but while I know the Mint team haven't said anything regarding Pipewire and Wayland, however if XFCE is making the switch to Wayland that would put the mainland Cinnamon version behind so they would at least consider the idea of making the switch

[@EricHeckermoo]

I love Linux mint. It's my main distro. It's just work for me for over 10 years. The only time I ever have trouble with it is when I forced an update instead of waiting for it to be a recommended update and that was it. Haven't made that mistake again and no problems.

[@tonygallagher6989]

I use LMDE, the Debian edition on a laptop I've had for 7 years. It's relatively light and very stable.

[@milany08]

The new file manager i can see what’s inside folder?

[@dalaljamshed]

One feature i would like to see is my 5ghz WiFi single support our of the box with the au8812 driver like MX Linux does

[@Zero11s]

i like the new mouse cursor

[@motoryzen]

The classic bibatta or whatever seems better to me..not that bubbly childish lookimg stock OOTB version, but oh well

[@romartynromashka]

I want an official KDE flavour (used to be, couldn't find it recently). And the main goal should be integrating Wine more entirely.

[@richardthompson6079]

Linux Mint is easily the easiest transition from another OS. I love Slackware and OpenBSD, but I will always have a gaming rig running Linux Mint.

[@atlantic_love]

LOL, running what games, exactly?

[@mihairomulus2488]

@@atlantic_love I run most games perfectly

[@atlantic_love]

@@mihairomulus2488 Not AAA games you don't. I'm not going to kiss Tux's ass because it's the only thing that runs great on Linux.

[@adithyan_hp]

I like mint more than any other distro.

[@husseinmarzouk12]

Awesome video thank U man , following U from Egypt

[@Graeme_Lastname]

The feature I would like is system sounds. I'm using XFCE and I managed to get the system sounds working only once out of literally hundreds of attempts. I reinstalled and I can't get the system sounds working. It's very frustrating. There is something wrong with XFCE sound controls? Any help would be appreciated. 🙂

[@rmkofmd1398]

I like my Mint to be green!

[@Robotta]

Two things that I would change are related to the Cinnamon desktop since I use that one in Fedora: - Power profiles. Let me switch between a balance plan to a battery saver one with one click like in Gnome or KDE. Kind of surprised this isn't standardized. - A Dock. My workflow consists on a top panel with a dock on the left. With Cinnamon this isn't really possible unless you use a third party dock which I don't like to use. Other than that, it's still my second preferred DE of choice. First one would probably be GNOME.

[@motoryzen]

Why not have just two panels then? Same thing overall. One for the vertical side on the left...the other top..the end

[@Robotta]

@@motoryzen The point of a dock is to have a quick access to aplications and other things in a small, compact container on whatever margin of the screen you want. A Panel is the opposite of that, is just a general taskbar, is not compact nor as small as a dock. Simply put, convenience.

[@motoryzen]

@@Robotta you can make it to where the panel doesn't cover the entire length or height of the screen on whatever side it's pinned to Also You can set up all the same access to the same.on click stuff in the stock Cinnamon panel as you'd get.on a dock. What made you think you couldn't do that? I've been doing that for my 12 years of using Linux Mint Cinnamon. And used the stock winturd taskbar that way ( using a Toolbar Folder ...which isn't a thing in winturd unless you know how to hack the winturd registry to allow it) since the xp days...nothing new.

[@Robotta]

​@@motoryzenHow do you make it so it doesn't cover all the height of the screen? Can't seem to find that option in panel settings.

[@an1rb]

Only if Mint had a Debian-based version with KDE Plasma!

[@rishikantsen4808]

Bluetooth/ bluemen not working in linux mint vera

[@spreadneck2063]

Still has the out of memory error when booting after installing Nvidia drivers.

[@ivanhoe1024]

Cannot see mint switching to Wayland/Pipewire during the 21 cycle, and from a certain point of view Mint's userbase would also appreciate it being postponed to the next 22 cycle, imho. I myself prefer updated software and technologies, but this is mostly because I haven't used linux for work until now. People who use linux for work AND chose linuxmint for its approach to this matter would probably prefer this way

[@DeathStriker88]

Native support for .exe files and every single windows software and games when?

[@hoogmonster]

That's a misplaced request as it doesn't depend on the Linux community or it's developers at all... Your request depends upon the closed source windows community inevitably. Maybe ask them when they will open up their development to the Linux community?

[@letsplaygames9424]

Has anyone managed to get citrix workspace app working on Linux mint ?

[@Tuishimi]

Don't really like the new striped icons but... that is easily changed. Otherwise it is solid as usual.

[@Tuishimi]

One thing I noticed is while they made certain "default" changes... all the old options really are still available, so I can have my computer and home icons on my desktop like I used to... :) Mint has been the only solid and consistent distro for awhile. I love MX, I love Pop but Mint always just works for me, and it is simple (with cinnamon).

[@Tuishimi]

Btw... if people want icons to match the vibrant green highlights, Tela Green icons match almost perfectly.

[@rjawiygvozd]

What do people actually want to say when they say Fedora is a Red Had testbed? I know what it means but I don't see how it is relevant for any purpose since it doesn't have any negative impact on what Fedora is in the end. When comparing with ubuntu and mint I'm thinking the primary difference is Fedora stays a very vanilla linux experience and is not trying at all to be user friendly or whatever, it's kinda like debian with fresh packages in this sense

[@certs743]

Basically it comes down to focus. Fedora is a test bed for the end product Red Hat enterprise linux and is not the end product so it is not regarded as such. The main focus is not on a top notch desktop user experience because it is just a place to test out stuff for what is seen as the real end product. This is why Nobarra linux exists to try and make Fedora more of a proper desktop linux distro.

[@motoryzen]

10:00 to 10:25..I don't know about any features I'd add, but. I would love it if Clem and the team could speed up Nemo more. It's a great file manager, but options like pcmanfm just stomp it in terms of raw speed.

[@beauleidig8670]

As someone who just switched over from Windows 7 to Linux Wint less than a month ago, would anyone be so kind as to give me a quick rundown on what Wayland and Pipewire are and why they matter? From what I can gather they are both important, but I'm too sure as to why. Thanks in advance to anyone in the know who responds.

[@jktolford8272]

I'm a lurker planning on converting to linux, so *really* basic & general. Wayland is a newer piece of software that controls how everything is sent to the display. It is intended to replace Xorg or X11 from the last millennium. It is conceptually simpler & more efficient & offers better support for *some* modern hardware but not all the bugs are worked out. X11 can break on new hardware, Wayland can break on old. Pipeline controls audio & is intended to replace ALSA & pulse audio. Again, support for newer hardware & simpler interface but not all the bugs are worked out. Both old & new have their problems. If you are are running Mint on the same hardware you ran Windows 7 on & are not having problems you can definitely wait. There's lot's of stuff on KZbin that can bring you up to speed in the time you take to buy new hardware or upgrade to a more advanced OS.

[@beauleidig8670]

@@jktolford8272 Thanks for the info. I actually just built a brand new computer and started fresh with Mint. Haven't had any issues, and I really do like how easy it was to transition to Mint from Windows. I just wondered what these things were/did that was causing so much discussion.

[@jktolford8272]

@@beauleidig8670 Nice. Good luck w/ your fresh start on new hardware/OS.

[@dekhrahahoon]

My gripes: a SINGLE splace should change fonts, sizes, screen pixel density, etc., for ALL apps, including browsers, word processors etc. All kde and gnome based apps and everything else should respect the central one-shop settings. AS WELL, every app should allow these to be individually tweaked. (Ever tried setting the font size on the top menu bar for emacs?)

[@VincentVonDudler]

Manila folder color for everyone? Ick.

[@joeMW284]

Would be very nice if pipewire was default.

[@desvendandoornasaude4127]

Greetings from Brazil! I don't know why on my Ryzen 7 computer which has an AMD GPU, Gnome Ubuntu is faster than Linux Mint. Gnome is more smooth.

[@kennylex]

Color theories are a bit stupid, they tend to be aimed to west (US/EU) and only towards folk with perfect eyesight , and the theories are based on simple hypothesis like "We love the blue ocean, but the green forest are stressful and yellow fields of whet is just for those darn farmers"... in other words, I did like Mint green, for blue and gray mints isn't the color you want on mint plants :-D Edit: I has to point out that I do like the design language of Mint and it is good with changes, we can always customize.

[@youzernejm]

I'm still using Mint on my office pc due to the things they do so right. When I want to have work done, I know I can count on Mint. It will just work. However, gaming is the reason I moved on for other computers. Wine, Proton, Proton GE, Lutris, Bottles, it really doesn't matter, the best I could get with any game was error prompt instead of simply not starting a game. Also, controller support. Once the input lag and missed key presses were so dreadful I was sure my controller died. Then I switched a controller. Same. Then another. Then I tried them all 3 on a Batocera machine - no problems whatsoever. I've seen videos of people gaming on Mint, but I've only managed native Linux games. That's what I'd like to see changed for starters.

[@user-ty2fd5nu6u]

Gaming on mint works for me but I see a performance decrease. 170fps in Windows and 130 in mint

[@rodhatte]

I don't use a global menu myself (my brain is more visual than verbal), but a friend uses i3-hud-menu in cinnamon, so that might be worth a try.

[@remainsmemories626]

Flatpak update integration is VERY GOOD. And yes, the feature I want most is Wayland...

[@KuruGDI]

I really like the Mint project and their ideas, but the Cinnamon DE just doesn't work for me and I doubt that some small UI changes will change that.

[@little_forest]

Yeah, nicer standard color, nicer mouse curser, but I still despise the icon theme ;) But yes, from afar I would also say that wayland and pipewire seem to be important next steps for linux mint to stay interesting in the long run.

[@awesomedez]

It’s great to see Linux developers taking UI and user experience seriously. For a long time Linux environments have been looked at as being clunky and ugly, caring only about function and almost not at all about form. I feel that both are important.

[@rahuldsouza1985]

Is there any distribution based on Ubuntu without flat pack and snaps

[@rohitk8797]

It’s OK-ish but I prefer LMDE.

[@xeiAiex]

I think the Bibata cursor as default was a mistake. It's cool, but a step backwards in regards to professionalism.

[@neddyladdy]

Why on earth does it have to have a "modern look". As long as it is functional its ok as far as I am concerned.

[@Little-bird-told-me]

LINUX MINT still runs on kernel 5.15 as of April 2023. Thats atrocious

[@ye4864]

The title bar and app menus should be the same bar, not having a title bar just fir a title, it’s fat and ugly

[@atlantic_love]

I think Linux Mint looks UGLY, even if it is stable. They shove that logo in your face.

[@Mikael5732]

I miss xearth

[@KuruGDI]

Well, you can't really blame Cannonical for shifting Ubuntu's focus to Servers since that where they make their money. I don't think that Ubuntu desktop alone would even be break even in terms of developing cost.

[@jeffcook3747]

I wish that Mint would implement a version of plug and play. I've got some knock-off wifi adapters with no drivers or identification and I can't use them because no drivers even though they said they worked with Linux

[@Deezter16]

Give Mint back KDE (out of the box) and I'm sold for life. Mint was my first distro coming from Windows, but I eventually moved away when they stopped releasing KDE in Mint 19

[@MyurrDurr]

I tried to install plasma-HUD but it's too outdated for Plasma 5.26 ;-; The same for the Window button applet to add buttons to the panel when a window is maximised, shame , i wanted a Unity like experience in plasma

[@waltz9230]

I think they’re shooting themselves in the foot big time here. Being in the branding and marketing industry, the number one thing you want is consistency. Linux Mint is known for its _unique_ green colour scheme that originated from the logo and the name, changing this to blue because a dev thinks “it’s sexier” is a huge mistake. Furthermore, the new mouse pointer goes against the look and feel of Linux Mint, it’s always had a retro look and feel, and it still does in many ways, from Desktop Environment to the icons to the wallpaper even. The mouse pointer is just out of place. Ever since they changed the title bar to what is essentially Ubuntu 20.04’s title bar, I knew they were going downhill. They went from retro to a modern on one UI element, setting the new standard for inconsistency. I’m not saying the retro look is better, I’m saying be consistent, it’s branding 101. If they want to look modern, then make consistent changes to the OS that evenly reflect this change.

[@webennett]

Add Bluetooth.

[@johnyferreira8733]

Honestly everything gnome based looks and feels old. The deepin team (while I would never use it) made a super modern desktop environment that looks really good. I know it’s subjective but desktop environments need a refresh. It’s stable as a rock but it’s pretty boring. That’s usually the feedback I get when I install Linux on a computer for friends or family. Hopefully changes will come soon.

[@Amos_Huclkeberry]

Manjaro is still green.

[@roberttranceedm]

You are so, so misinformed about what Fedora is that is hilarious and insulting in the same time.

[@davidwayne9982]

Green is fine-- but not that DEAD dull green---- look at Manjaro- that green with black that they have is GORGEOUS.....(even though I don't care of Manjaro since the problem issues)...

[@Zero11s]

stable is for servers!!! rolling for Desktops!!!

[@motoryzen]

No.. Believe or not..when people get home..they don't want to have to f uck around with constant unstable updates breaking things. They want a system that just works. Otherwise..you're wanting Arch or arch based distros if you enjoy HAVING to fix your system lol literally every other week.

[@n.m4497]

Cinnamon and Mate should disappear completely. Xfce is way more stable, fast and light than those two dead-end projects

[@senpaiiiiiiiiiiiii950]

some people including myself face screen tearing with XFCE desktop , when i change XFWM4 with compiz or kwin i dont see screen tearing so i guess xfce doesn't work for everyone while cinnamon or mate here doesn't have screen tearing

[@Claude-tj6ud]

Great approach, nice software, but old and therefore ugly theme and UI. It was better to use when Mint followed every Ubuntu release. LTS is getting old too fast, can’t install Mint on newer PC.

[@leopard3131]

Trying not to come across as a troll but this was horrible. Basically I should use mint because you like the way it looks. Ok got it. You do understand you can theme any desktop rather trivial to do so. And then you say I should not use Fedora because it is a test bed for RHEL? But the it is ok to use mint even though it us based on Canonical ? Can't tell if you are paranoid about evil corporations or just RHEL or what the point of you anti fedora rant was about. All the other features you mentioned come with any major distro from Debian to ubuntu to fedora to arch nothing you mentioned unique to Mint. Mint has a number of disadvantages starting with it is based on Ubuntu. This makes mint years behind in emerging technology from Wayland to pipewire and make it dependent on the whims of Canonical. Fedora has custom themes including dark mode. It has a great community. You can use flatpack on fedora. You can install the Nvidia driver on fedora. Fedora is secure and stable. Fedora is using the current technology including Wayland and is free of the whims of Canonical. The fedora repos are not dependent on RHEL. Without descending into a debate regarding things such as the merits or lack thereof of things like Wayland, Wayland is the way of the future and why would you use a distro like mint which is not even testing Wayland? Fedora does not force you to use Wayland you can use xorg if you wish. Same can be said for arch. So again why use Mint? You like the way it looks, realky, because that is about the most superficial reason I can think of.

[@MarkHobbes]

Why use Mint? Because it just works and it has an out-of-the-box experience that makes its worth even more while on Fedora everything is very manual and not for the average Joe (I can say the same about Arch) and guess what... On Fedora you're dependent of the terminal. Fedora makes it harder for you to install proprietary drivers, codecs, plugins, programs, fonts and so on. You need to do it all yourself and it's so time consuming. I've tried to use Fedora as my daily driver but things just don't work. Even with all proprietary fonts installed, it still looks uglier than Ubuntu on font rendering, websites just look strange. and broken. Also there is the recent issue with some essential codecs being removed like H264, H265, and VA-API. This issue would affect me so much and other tons of users. Fedora couldn't be comparable with Mint or Ubuntu since it's not meant for newbies. They care so much about open source that it just makes your system unusable.

[@certs743]

The point about Fedora being a test bed is unlike Mint which is the final product a test bed is just a place to try stuff out before moving it on to RHEL which is seen as the actual final product so there is a totally different mindset. You don't work on creating a solid desktop experience on a test bed. This is literally why Nobara linux exists is even a Fedora dev thinks it needed a bunch of work to make it a good desktop experience. And if you don't think Fedora is dependent on the whims of Red Hat or IBM the CENT OS people are laughing right now.

[@Soraviel]

Mint is not for me, I tried it months back and it felt like windows XP 🤣, always that is why Linux will continue to be fragmented and filled with people in my comment, they have nothing good to say. Hate as much you want, windows XP is rubbish and that was my very 1st OS way before I even discovered Linux. Mint is not something I want to remind me of xp, I want to move forward not backwards

[@jameshadaway8621]

linux is good for privacy and save money by not having to purchase anti virus or security tool such as firewall.

[@bronzekoala9141]

I'd rather compare it to Windows 7.which is kind of their strength. Windows 7 was the last Windows, that purely focussed on Desktop usage and excelled at it. Windows 8,10,11 and Gnome try to satisfy both - Desktop and Touch Devices. For me, Cinnamon is just really efficient on my Desktop PC - although maybe a bit boring one could argue.

[@agnuswulf]

To a lot of people. that is a very cozy feeling, so I guess I understand why so many love it! (me included, but for other reasons)

[@kmg501]

The big reason why I moved to and have stayed with Linux Mint is because it was a smooth transition from Windows Seven which I stopped using when it went End Of Life in January 2020.

[@Pyro-Moloch]

Bet you've never used Windows XP in your life.

[@jimb2868]

fix amd drivers/fix wifi.

[@davidwayne9982]

THANKS- GREAT video-- and it DOES look very good.... but as I said below- I'll wait til they bring this to LMDE, Right now I use SPARKY linux and love it... and have come back to it after several "hops" and have actually STOPPED hopping on my Sparky!!!! (kde)

[@davidwayne9982]

It works-- beautifully-- and stays out of the way-- and is fast, efficient- and has everything needed.... all the so called "improvements" should have been LEFT OUT of other distros.. SOME improvements are good- but not trying to do this "change and improve it every few days " like arch and others do-- is RIDICULOUS.. Look how Chevy RUINED the Corvette by "changing it"-- if you have a good thing and it works- LEAVE IT ALONE-- juts make a NEW version with the improvements and call it something else-- but KEEP BOTH.

[@motoryzen]

Exactly..that's why I love Mint...they understand through actually being adults...that people want a STABLE and consistently good usable PC experience....not having to fix crap literally every other week or every 3 weeks like on the arch world

[@davidwayne9982]

SO WHAT if it looks "old"--- if it WORKS - leave it the F.. alone!!! All this bullshit about "change it every 5 minutes to a new look is CRAP--- RUINS what is already good. NEW is NOT necessarily IMPROVED or better.. and usually ISN"T.

[@motoryzen]

I couldn't agree more. So many impatient tards out there think that just because something actually hit a few years old age mark means it's automatically obsolete...which couldn't be further from the truth on that merit alone.

[@davidwayne9982]

I won't get this til it makes it to LMDE..... whatever version that takes... I tried FEDORA 3 times-- HATED it-- looks too much like a watered down windows that DOESN"T work right- and is messes up my system-- renumbered the drives so I had to wipe and reload it all... just TRASH as far as I'm concerned- and has gnome- which I can't stand.. I Love MINT-- and I'm NOT knocking ubuntu version at all-- but I just prefer to wait and get it in DEBIAN....