A People's History of the United States, Chapter 7

[@ih8google]

I own a physical copy of this book but I have ridiculous adhd, which ruins my ability to sit down and truly concentrate. You dont know how much I appreciate this audio.

[@michaellear6904]

I read this many years ago, it is good returning to it via these recordings. History is not for the faint of heart.

[@its_nat_I_guess]

You’re saving my history grade

[@ilamaksenoj2149]

Heartbreaking capacity of human cruelty

[@stoneybrook57]

I appreciate you for doing this!!

[@halliadams5987]

Btw, Thank You for creating this channel and covering this book, among others. Your years of 'labor' is definitely appreciated. 😁😂😏

[@Erolore]

Going to join your patreon today as thanks for recording this audiobook and out of eager curiosity to see what you continue to produce.

[@asahmed1980]

"And a Man sat alone, drenched deep in sadness. And all the animals drew near to him and said, "We do not like to see you so sad. Ask us for whatever you wish and you shall have it." The Man said, "I want to have good sight." The vulture replied, "You shall have mine." The Man said, "I want to be strong." The jaguar said, "You shall be strong like me." Then the Man said, "I long to know the secrets of the earth." The serpent replied, "I will show them to you." And so it went with all the animals. And when the Man had all the gifts that they could give, he left. Then the owl said to the other animals, "Now the Man knows much, he'll be able to do many things. Suddenly I am afraid." The deer said, "The Man has all that he needs. Now his sadness will stop." But the owl replied, "No. I saw a hole in the Man, deep like a hunger he will never fill. It is what makes him sad and what makes him want. He will go on taking and taking, until one day the World will say, 'I am no more and I have nothing left to give."' - Alocolypto (2006) I was going to write a comment about Satan... I mean the 7th President of the United States but what's the point? As always nefarious rich people anywhere always die in their bed with the best medical care available with justice for those they slaughtered denied.

[@kawowine]

thanks for doing this!

[@martianbuilder5945]

49:57 - 50:09 It's hilarious how 200 years later they're still the exact same...

[@trentbeebe2052]

Not funny to say the least but I get what your saying, why they’ve kept the populace ignorant through time.

[@gregorywilliams7127]

Wonder did Jackson know that

[@gwynbleidd1917]

This book makes me hate being an american living in this disgusting capitalist imperial core even more than I already had.

[@Lobosank]

Our deranged last president had Jackson's portrait in the oval office.😪

[@AudioAnarchy]

Worst president of my lifetime still has to go to W. Bush or Reagan (both have way higher body counts to their names), but I'll give Trump this: he is *definitely* the most openly ghoulish lunatic.

[@AudioAnarchy]

In fact, the more I think about it, the more Trump strikes me as obsessed with always making the most *performatively* cruel choice. Materially, policy-wise, he was quite cruel, but he was far more obsessed with *appearing* cruel. As opposed to, like, Reagan, who murdered hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, with the School of the Americas, Contra rebels, AIDS failures, etc. BUT who wanted to appear paternalistic.

[@jamesdoyle6914]

@@AudioAnarchy There's a concept called "Vice signalling," more or less the culture war counterpoint to virtue signalling. When you have no loot to steal from native people and no interests in genuinely improving the material conditions of poor white people, what can you give them? Culture war fodder is called "red meat for his base" in the news, but they're eating air and dying of starvation. Look to how the capital rioters were going to treat their own VP, Mike Pence, to see where this will end when a competent bigot shows up.

[@gregorywilliams7127]

North American Indian Tribe of Gad!

[@jzoobs]

59:30 not a fan of Zinn's tendency to adopt patriarchal language here--"their women were being mistreated" implies that the women were a possession of the Indian men, akin to the other things being stolen from them. Maybe it's an insignificant rhetorical tick but it bothered me.

[@AudioAnarchy]

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that absolutely has not aged well. I need to record "An Indigenous People's History of the US" as a companion piece, but it's already a ton of work for the projects I currently have, so it may be a while.

[@jzoobs]

@@AudioAnarchy all in due time. Can't begin to express my gratitude for what you've already made an effort to upload. And I'll say, in some way I appreciate having some time between uploads--it prevents me from jumping straight to the next chapter before fully digesting the one I've just listened to. Anyway, like I've said--thanks for your contributions here!!

[@saskk2290]

@@jzoobs It's a rhetorical tick. He points out these were often historically maternalistic tribes. I think Zinn's book is saturated with good facts and quotes from history, but also a candid one free of "political correctness" and virtue signaling that are rampant today. Language isn't the problem here. The invasion of the west was so brutal and unwanton (and current), not liking Zinn's every description is hardly a criticism. Not many people have done more to challenge the patriarchal system than Zinn. Such as it is, I understand your concern.

[@samseder]

@@AudioAnarchy "An Afro-Indigenous History of the United States" by Kyle T. Mays is another great read!

[@rodpierce8468]

@@saskk2290couldn’t have said it any better. People forget this book was written in 1980, nearly half a century ago, and it a bit ridiculous to get caught up in the weeds of whether the appropriate verbiage was used for our current time and society in the 2020s and beyond

[@ejkboxing]

Truce flags, peace talks, treaties, honor, rules of war, keeping your word meant absolutely nothing to the US government, US Army, nor their representatives. Israel does the same things in what used to be Palestine.

[@rodpierce8468]

It was interesting that so many Native Americans actually held slaves themselves - that was merely skimmed in this chapter - I get the point is to not vilify the native americans but it does go to show that no hands were clean

[@AudioAnarchy]

I think it more goes to show the depth of inhumanity that Europe exported to the world around it.

[@NormTessTearoe]

America industrialized slavery, cotton,sugar plantations, turpentine harvesting.