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A Point About Medieval Blackened Armour

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Alex The History Guy

Alex The History Guy

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A response to Matt Easton of Schola Gladiatoria, offering some further information regarding blackened armour during the Medieval period, specifically focusing on Mercenaries during the late 14th Century.
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@kcnmsepognln
@kcnmsepognln 4 ай бұрын
I suppose it's because we rarely see blackened armour in films etc (unless it's to make a dramatic point), that I assumed polished armour was "normal" (for want of a better word). But your explanation makes perfect sense. If you're leading a band of mercenaries that you've armed, a-looting and a-pillaging across the land, then more practical considerations than looking hawt come into play.
@AlexTheHistoryGuy
@AlexTheHistoryGuy 4 ай бұрын
Well it's also key to note that the Victorians are largely responsible for all the shiny polished armour that we see today - they used to polish armour fit for museums since they believed that people ouldn't want to see painted or blackened armour. Plus they liked the "King Arthur and the shiny knights of Camelot" stories since it fit in with their Imperialism... So I guess we will never know how much armour was actually blackened during the medieval period :O
@kcnmsepognln
@kcnmsepognln 4 ай бұрын
@@AlexTheHistoryGuy Ah! "The Victorians"... [sigh]
@sowianskizonierz2693
@sowianskizonierz2693 4 ай бұрын
Great analysis. I appreciate the effort you put into adding knowledge to lesser-known medieval topics.
@AlexTheHistoryGuy
@AlexTheHistoryGuy 4 ай бұрын
Thank you, that's what my channel is all about :)
@dmr6640
@dmr6640 4 ай бұрын
It would be great to interview Toby Capwell for arms, armor and jousting. Your explanation of the blackened armor make a lot of sense. Are there examples in medieval history of doing this?
@calhoon1113
@calhoon1113 Ай бұрын
you're telling me I season my cast iron the same way you blacken armor
@AlexTheHistoryGuy
@AlexTheHistoryGuy Ай бұрын
Haha apparently so! I guess the reasoning is the same.
@philipsmith7913
@philipsmith7913 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely logical - saving money and time. An excellent assessment.
@AlexTheHistoryGuy
@AlexTheHistoryGuy 2 ай бұрын
Thanks I appreciate that - I worked at an armoury for a year and I can confirm that blackened armour was a decent amount cheaper and quicker to make
@staceygallard7999
@staceygallard7999 4 ай бұрын
Love your channel and love medieval history 😊
@AlexTheHistoryGuy
@AlexTheHistoryGuy 4 ай бұрын
Much appreciated:)
@SpillTheMead
@SpillTheMead 4 ай бұрын
BLACK. ARMOR. We love it.
@jamesrobins8776
@jamesrobins8776 4 ай бұрын
love your videos dude
@AlexTheHistoryGuy
@AlexTheHistoryGuy 4 ай бұрын
Ayy thanks mate I really appreciate it
@bobbyjeffsupremelordofcraz3532
@bobbyjeffsupremelordofcraz3532 7 күн бұрын
Two quick questions: Would mail have been blackened in the same way? And what event was the re-enactment footage you showed from?
@AlexTheHistoryGuy
@AlexTheHistoryGuy 7 күн бұрын
As far as I'm aware we dont have any concrete evidence that maille was ever blackened. It makes perfect sense as blackening helps protect it from the elements and inevitably rust - but the maille doesn't rust when worn due to the motion of movement when being worn rubs the rust off automatically before it has time to form. The footage is mainly from various reenactment events such as Barnet and Tewkesbury in England, I film everything myself so I travel all over the UK in my spare time to capture the footage.
@Pentagathusosaurus
@Pentagathusosaurus 4 ай бұрын
Would mail have been blackened too?
@AlexTheHistoryGuy
@AlexTheHistoryGuy 4 ай бұрын
This is something I haven't personally researched so I only have second hand knowledge from other people - but apparently yes, maille was sometimes blackened. Again, this was supposed to prevent rest and I personally own a maille hauberk and can confirm it definitely does prevent rust as I've used my hauberk at events for 4 years and never needed to clean it. Although saying that, a normal maille shirt is weirdly self-cleaning as when you wear it, the maille links rub against each other to clean the rust off. So as long as you're wearing it often you shouldn't have to clean it anyway unless you find yourself in a pool of water somehow. Regarding what they used to blacken it - I'm not sure. Possibly linseed oil, possibly a firm of black tar, I haven't looked into it.
@Pentagathusosaurus
@Pentagathusosaurus 4 ай бұрын
@@AlexTheHistoryGuy Yeah I'd heard of mail being self cleaning which is partly why I asked. Do you know if the the blackened finish would also be degraded in the same way rust on mail is?
@AlexTheHistoryGuy
@AlexTheHistoryGuy 4 ай бұрын
Tbh I'm not sure, I believe my personal maille is chemical blackened in a modern way so that stays on. I'm getting new maille soon so I could perhaps test it in the future :)
@SuperFunkmachine
@SuperFunkmachine 4 ай бұрын
@@Pentagathusosaurus The black layer would be worn off but in the same areas that wearing mail self cleans. Mail is only party self cleaning, in areas where the rings don't rub it will get dull and rusted.
@timmoran9378
@timmoran9378 3 күн бұрын
@@AlexTheHistoryGuy I blackened a maille coif using the oil over flame method. The results were good for a time, but eventually the maille rusted and very much did *not* self-clean (despite twice-per-week use in combat practice). It proved impossible to re-blacken adequately due to pitting, even after burnishing in a sand tumbler. I eventually had to discard it because, each time it was hit, a rusty cloud would emerge. My experience only, and not a claim to historical practice.
@romans883
@romans883 7 күн бұрын
How do you blacken your armour ? I hope not by spraying it black with paint lol
@AlexTheHistoryGuy
@AlexTheHistoryGuy 7 күн бұрын
No no of course not! I used boiled linseed oil which is burnt into the metal after I've sanded off the scale.
@romans883
@romans883 4 күн бұрын
@@AlexTheHistoryGuy WHERE DO I GET THIS LINSEED OIL AND HOW DOES IT WORK ? I GOT FEW SETS OF MEDIEVAL ARMOUR AND I WOULD LIKE TO BLACKEN ONE ! soz 4 caps Im excited to try this !
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