A Polytheist goes to Faithless Forum

[@41Duck]

As I start this reply, you're at 999 subscribers. I hope it's at least 1,000 by the time I finish it. If Christians and Muslims behaved like polytheists, I don't think I'd have much problem with them. After giving this some thought for a couple of days, it's really the evangelism, the abuse of society through government to legislate dogma, and the denial of reality to fit their narrative that generates the biggest pushback from me. I can't think of a single polytheist who's ever tried to use a god as a reason why I can't do a thing, hold a position, pursue a line of inquiry, try to put an end point at the knowledge I'm permitted to obtain, or say that reality is wrong because it contradicts their Sincerely Held Belief (tm). You're a fantastic advocate for your beliefs, Ocean. You've earned my respect, and I look forward to more from you. Take it easy.

[@applesong01]

Saying that someone can't do something because of your religious beliefs is like saying you can't eat a donut because I'm on a diet

[@KOKO-uu7yd]

As I type this reply, your hope has been both met, AND far exceeded!🎉🎊🎉👍😸

[@Shylade]

Agreed...

[@KOKO-uu7yd]

@@applesong01 I've had plenty of people try to convince me of THAT, too!

[@fluffysheap]

It's a question of power, not an aspect of the religion. Study some Greek and Roman history, polytheists used to do that sort of thing all the time. You see it from Christians and Muslims today because they have the power now. It's wrong in any religion or time period, but people are still the same.

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

I’m so glad you came and that you felt welcome. Good faith criticism of either of our communities can be hard to come by, and yours has been very valuable. Let’s get this grith, boys!

[@kaycarol8867]

Genetically Modified Skeptic I love when atheists and Polythists collaborate!!! As an atheist with a lot of Pagan friends I’ve really enjoyed Ocean’s input on how we can work on common goals. Also hearing from minority faiths keeps me practice my critical thinking further. Especially cause I’m still finding it hard to be as patient with Christians (right now) due to current politics.

[@GothiGrimwulff]

My wife watches you all the time. Gonna try to get her to watch Ocean now too. People are too willing to pwn and not willing enough to be civil.

[@yourfellowweebalex8102]

There's a good russian saying, pertaining to this topic : "Don't go to someone else's temple with your rules". It doesn't sound that well after translation, but still relates the same point.

[@Raccoon-gy6vc]

I prefer "When in Rome..." but your quote seems to be more oriented around smaller, more valued spaces. edit: my sentence was unclear

[@onecardshort2934]

I think there may be a debate as to whether or not that old saying is good.

[@bookfan1239]

As a Hindu myself, thanks for standing up for us lol. It’s good to know that people who aren’t Hindus have our backs too, honestly.

[@OceanKeltoi]

Absolutely.

[@rosackoh1959]

as a pagan from uk no problems

[@thequestlordsteviequest]

U better be vegan then like the hindu teach

[@jasonGamesMaster]

@@thequestlordsteviequest That's not actually a requirement of Hinduism... nor of Buddhism or even Jainism which are dharmic traditions that much stricter on those types of questions. You, sir, are ignorant, and showing yourself to be an ignorant ass.

[@thumphreybrogart4108]

@@thequestlordsteviequest mind your damn business

[@Le_GingerBeardMan]

Why is it that as a Christian I think I would get along better with you than with most people of my own faith? The goals you want for your community and the atheist community is awesome. We need a lot more mutual respect going around these days. All the best to you!

[@OceanKeltoi]

This is awesome to hear!

[@capitalistraven]

I appreciate you taking the harder road of honest and open criticism rather than pretending everything is OK. Both communities have to stay vigilant and sensitive if we're to avoid the traps of dogmatism and intolerance.

[@Hrabns]

Atheists, Agnostics, Non-Abrahamists of all types should work together. We Pagans don’t want to harm our Non-Abrahamic brothers and sisters, they are natural allies.

[@TonyJack74]

That's a globalist mindset you have.No one is your brother or sister just because they share a faith etc

[@davidsalts]

No!

[@hellishhybrid1839]

Sorry, but I view Pagans the same as I view all religious people. Dangerous.

[@the_polish_prince8966]

@@hellishhybrid1839 Could you tell me what about our faith makes us dangerous?

[@hellishhybrid1839]

The_Polish_Prince Have you ever had a look at history? Christians don't have the monopoly on religious violence. Greek pagans themselves often persecuted those who disbelieved in their patheon. Given enough power and influence and any religion can become dangerous.

[@josephheimbigner122]

I only recently deconverted from Christianity. I have always loved hearing different ideas. Before I went to Faithless Forum, one of my biggest concerns with it was that it would just be an echo chamber for Atheists. I was pleasantly surprised when I went there to find out that they really encouraged critical thinking, and that there was a wide range of ideas. I'm glad a guy like you showed up. I really wished I had remembered to talk to you after Drew gave you a shout out. I was interested in hearing your views.

[@OceanKeltoi]

I should be going back. So there should be a next time.

[@dawnarnett]

I'm atheist and I came to your channel via paulogia. As an atheist polytheism and paganism makes more sense to me than the Christian one God theory. I've gone to many different churches. I'm former JW. I'm always respectful of the church or temple I'm in. I did accidentally curse in a Baptist Church once... But it wasn't a religious event it was an ombudsmen deployment meeting when my husband was in the military. I fell down some steps and said fuck. Then I felt bad because I was in a church. Lol. But that's it. I have many Muslim neighbors and have know Hindus and seikhs. I always try and show mutual respect. Respect the human you don't have to like their beliefs.

[@krispalermo8133]

As a 16 year old back in the 1990's, I wrote an eight page essay on the Seven Virtues & Deadly Sins and my relation on them. I took them to all the local churches in my city and all I got was " Pray to Jesus." I took my essay to the only Jewish synagogue and after they pass it around and was question by the elders, they walked me through the Lesser Keys of Solomon. Go figure.

[@johnryan1292]

"obviously we are not establishing a military alliance between tribes today" INB4 GREAT HEATHEN ARMY EPISODE 2 THE HORNED FEDORA

[@TheProphessionalGeek]

My eyes crossed reading the title, and I thought it said, Polytheist goes faithless for Rum.

[@abigailfowler1843]

I highly appreciate this video and Rachel for pointing me to your channel. I lean towards Hellenistic paganism, but had been toying with the concepts of being an atheist and agnostic for years and years before. Especially when I fell out of Christianity for it's warped views, principals, and my family's edging towards dangerous radicalism. I hate to admit, but I never could stick fully to atheism for that reason though. I'm just too much of a spiritual idealist, but I respect those that do. Anyways, I agree fully. Discussions are important and honest dialogue could really help change the world in my opinion.

[@OceanKeltoi]

I could never really stick with atheism either. I've had points where I've seriously considered it, but ultimately it's not where I land. I have to be honest with myself and what I believe, and that puts me where I'm at.

[@RachelOates]

y u still making videoz?

[@Captain_Sosuke_Aizen]

Most of us Hindus want to see all indigenous culture all over the world reviving. World will so diverse and fun if every one is back.😁

[@mermalade_]

As a Christian (probably a poor one at that), it's important to talk to people without mockery or dismissal and to extend Frith whenever possible. I'm upset that people who count themselves as followers of Christ can't even stand to let themselves commune with those outside of the faith and learn what they have to say. I may have only stepped into this channel recently, but I'm excited to hear what you broadcast

[@nathanjasper512]

Sounds like a good Christian to me.

[@pjopitz]

It may be about location, that being the bible belt, but here in the DMV Christians are kinda chill compared to how militant Atheists around here are.

[@tormohafighter3957]

Atheists are really good people. Antitheists... usually a different story.

[@stuckinflorida9685]

In my group of friends which consist of people with many beliefs, if someone isn’t mocking you or have some sarcastic comment to say to you, you’re not part of the group, if you can’t take some friendly joking you will never be part of the group. I live my life with the Philosophy of “live and let live”, someone going into someone else’s house and saying disparaging words about them is everything I am against, that was very good of you to stand up for what is right. As a long time atheist I’ve never understood people’s need to bash others beliefs (unless they are trying to push them on me). Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work.

[@OceanKeltoi]

I definitely think there's a strong difference between friendly joking between friends and open mockery.

[@stuckinflorida9685]

@ Ocean Keltoi Most definitely, if someone is an a$$hole they are disqualified immediately, I was definitely talking about friendly ribbing.

[@carolinelabbott2451]

I found you through Suris, but I am subbed to Rachel Oates as well. I am loving this word Frith. I could not agree with it more. ❤️ Also I was super jealous that you travelled through all that Rain and Thunder. 😁

[@carolinelabbott2451]

Took several attempts to fully watch as I had family constantly interrupting, LOL, but well worth watching all the way to the end. A great video, and yes top quality too. ❤️ I will check out the links to Grith and Frith, thanks for that.👍 Also gone and subbed now to Neil. As a Brit raised by secular parents I grew up Atheist, so hearing folks leaving religion is interesting to hear/read about. I myself have moved more towards Paganism as I grew older. But I am more of an Atheist Pagan kinda Humanist. Actually I have no idea how to label it, LOL. Oh well. 🤷‍♀️😊 ( And thanks for the heart. ❤️❤️☺️)

[@rosackoh1959]

@@carolinelabbott2451 yea I have the same problem my self ,I gess im a Polytheist pagan atheist ,, fancy starting our own religion LOL

[@carolinelabbott2451]

@@rosackoh1959 😆 I have been slowly coming across other folks who are kind of stuck in a half way limbo situation when it comes to giving ourselves a label that folks will understand. Most of the time I just say "it's complicated", when people ask where I stand on the whole Theist Atheist spectrum. 🙂😉❤️😂

[@nythiriafade3374]

I am so happy to have found a like minded individual. As a pagan I absolutely support the atheist community and would love to see more support for each others communities. I am a big fan of Genetically Modified Skeptic, the Atheist Experience, Telltale, and others. I feel a sense comradery with anyone who has grown up in an oppressive abrahamic faith, and learned to think for themselves. Thank you, this warms my heart.

[@OceanKeltoi]

We're of the same mind here. There's a lot we have in common with atheists. But we shouldn't be afraid to stand up for ourselves as well. Many of them will lump us in with Christians. That's one of the main criticisms that I have of the current Atheist community. I think there's a lot of new atheist creators coming up, though, that are more aware of the subtlety in the conversation.

[@davidpage8580]

It's no surprise you're already at 1k. You're liked and respected by many in the community. It's great to hear your distinct perspective.

[@davidmcmichael8843]

The reason I am not an atheist is it's just too damn depressing and boring.

[@EmpressOfCatsup]

Lmao, empirical reality is so much more wonderful and bizarre than the parochial stories humans tell themselves.

[@Excultbaby]

It was great meeting you at FF, Ocean! I’m glad we could create some frith 😁

[@NerdyRodent]

Listen honestly. Be respectful. Such crazy ideas! 😀

[@paradoxrealm8781]

As a Godless Heathen I find that the most I've had problems with were Christians trying to convert me forcefully. I am a collector of knowledge so to speak, so I encourage myself to learn approach all people's with no judgement or hate only respect and curiosity. I've found that Polytheists are about the most welcoming of people I've met.

[@TheMachineMother84]

Respect is something that is generally lacking among a lot of atheists (especially the more militant ones). One can disagree with religious philosophies, and highlight why certain aspects of religion and faith are flawed, but to call another's religion "ridiculous" to the point of disrespect, is atrocious. One should be intolerant towards the intolerant, but remain respectful to those who are, quite frankly, just minding their own f*cking business.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

The thing is, in a lot of places, religious people want special status, and want laws formed by their religious views - so it’s only natural that it creates a reaction in people who don’t want religion to dictate the laws of the land! And how can we respect those who just "mind their own f.cking business" when religious people still use their religious views as justification, implement laws restricting women’s bodily autonomy, demands special rights in regards to congregation in times where social distance is needed and religious exemptions in regards to vaccines, or use their religious views to block doctors from giving a child blood transfusions at the ER….? Also, a lot of the most "angry atheists" is in my experience former religious people who lashes out against the world they came from - lashes out against the lies they’ve been told Sunday after Sunday - and especially social media platforms is the perfect place for this venting. Also, the moment someone makes a public statement about a religion/their religious views on a social media platform, they’re no longer "minding their own f.cking business", they are literary putting their "business" out in the open where it can be opposed! Look, it’s not that I disagree completely, it’s definitely preferable when debate can happen in more respectful manners, but it’s also important to remember that it should be possible to tell someone that what they believe is downright stupid or ridiculous, without people taking personal offense - basically to distinguish between an attack on the individual and the beliefs of said individual! I do comprehend that it can be frustrating to meet demands about science based evidence that validates ones belief, if these beliefs are metaphysical! And I do understand that it can be extremely frustrating for someone who do have religious beliefs of some sort, to feel like being put in the same box as the worst of the worst of the religious nutcases. But, the reason why some will do it, is because all religious views is rooted in the supernatural, and thus, it’s an easy tool to use to steer people towards the very worst side of human behavior - and add to this, the psychological mechanisms that let one believe in things that can’t be proven is the same mechanisms that can lead people to buy into a world of conspiracy assumptions…. And sure, then there’s also people who are just a..holes! Like me! 😜

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

Oh, and not accepting intolerance isn’t intolerance…. There really isn’t any paradox there, Popper was right in his intentions, but wrong in perceiving it as a paradox! If we can’t agree on anything else, hopefully we can agree on this…

[@alexsch2514]

I'm OK with you guys. Never heard any of you knocking on my door wanting to Talk about odin

[@aprincessofearthsea4875]

At least Odin didn't tell his followers to stone me to death for who I love.

[@krispalermo8133]

20 years ago as a teenager when Wicca first came into my local book store I went around knocking on doors spreading the faith and a short history on world religions. My family also worked as landscapers and house remodelers so we gave free decorating advice and clean up yards for the elderly. Most of the time people just took it as a form of entertainment. Some of us did get soo bored we in invited Jehovah Witnesses in to have a talk, had a couple of friends try to covert them to Satanism.

[@WildMen4444]

We need to stand with our Hindu brothers and sisters

[@tantibusdraws6165]

As an atheist, personally I have no beef with paganism or other polytheistic beliefs. Being a writer and a history nerd, I personally find most of the pagan and pre-christian faiths fascinating and have read plenty of books on the topics. For a while I even dipped into studying Wicca, not because I believed in it, but because I thought it was kinda interesting and fun I agree we have a lot more in common than what most people might think. Fact is, many Abrahamic faiths are finally loosing their absolute grip on power, and marginalized believers and non believers alike are finally getting some breathing room. As long as your not hurting anyone or pushing your beliefs on others, your ok in my book.

[@kedamafoe2240]

wait you a polytheist went to an atheist conference traitor!!!!!! but yeah my goal is to work tword a more secular society...Dominionism scares me

[@MystryssCrymsyn98]

as someone who exists somewhere between agnosticism and polytheism appreciate your views and can empathize with you on many levels. Keep up the good work!

[@folvenson]

I don’t always agree with you, but I want to understand you and that is why I appreciate your channel. May we all make our communities better places Atheist, Monotheist, Pagan or otherwise.

[@adamb3455]

It's so abhorrent that someone would eat the food prepared by the Hindus at that restaurant and proceed to mock and disrespect them. You're eating their food, it's not the time to pull out those opinions.

[@OceanKeltoi]

My sentiment exactly.

[@TheHolySpackle]

I’ve really enjoyed the concepts and words you are sharing. Respect its interesting because its a tolerance or hospitality. Its not a endorsement of a view. These are concepts that I often feel when interacting with my friends of different faiths or lack of faith.

[@000Dragon50000]

Oh wow, I love grith and frith, only just discovered them through you, but they seem like two perfect words to clarify parts of what can be a very complicated situation. People around me only generally use the broadest sense of "respect" to somehow talk about all of these concepts and it just doesn't work.

[@ModernPolyhistor]

Rachel turned me on to your channel (and she still thinks you suck lol) I really enjoy your content, I’m Pagan too, some of my main deities are Apollo, Isis, Odin, and Brigid.

[@zachdawson1822]

You worship multiple gods from different religions ? I didnt know people did that

[@ModernPolyhistor]

@@zachdawson1822 It’s quite common in Pagans today. There’s also historical precedent for it.

[@abaddon2148]

@@zachdawson1822 i mean, christians technically worship the jewish god so it's not that weird, all religion has some level of syncretism

[@zachdawson1822]

@@abaddon2148 christian god and jewish god are the same god tho.

[@jaxthewolf4572]

@@zachdawson1822 Its called eclecticism and it's actually something that was practiced in the past.

[@malfaro3l]

If we all respected each other, life would be so much easier and better. Also, we are ready to join our tribe’s forces with yours!

[@DarkSaber-1111]

Excited you got to meet a lot of the popular athiests, especially aronra. That guy is such a giant teddy bear! Learned a lot from him especially recognizing logical falicies. Keep up the great work!

[@NeilThe604Atheist]

Oh and, what a fantastic video!

[@LilithEveRain]

Hi! I just shared your channel on my FB so all of my Pagan friends can check you out! I only knew you from the Pumpkin/NIFB/MASA Stuff, so it wasn't until now that I found out that you were a fellow Pagan! Too cool!

[@Lonewolf-hu2vn]

I think there's something about if you cannot respect someone in their lair do not go there in the satanic bible, more people should adopt a similar notion

[@leighm5192]

Hey Ocean, I just watched your video finally! I was so busy throughout the week and didn't realize you uploaded, so I'm kind of late to the party lol. First off, I want to say my sincere and heartfelt thanks for demonstrating your support and backbone for the Hindu community no matter how small of a gesture. When I heard in the video about that little incident at the Hindu temple you mentioned, it really riled up my feathers and I'll be brutally honest, I'm slightly surprised. Don't know if I should even be though. To have the audacity to not be mindful and show disrespect in front of a group of people performing genuine service for humanity by providing food to anybody regardless of who they are is beyond me. It's incredibly immature, ungrateful, and plain unprofessional. Them talking about how "ridiculous" the Hindu traditions just show a lack and shallow full understanding of the whole picture. You don't have to believe in the faith, completely fine, but don't be all talk about concepts you may not understand. Hinduism is incredibly diverse and pretty complicated and robust which could possibly I think take a lifetime to even grasp. Especially when dealing with language and semantics from foreign lands, because you'll be in a world of hurt if you try to pigeon hole modern English terms into the various philosophical schools of thought. Hell, I barely scratched the surface when I first took a class at university during my last year. Education and open-mindedness can go an incredibly long way when crossing cultural boundaries outside of our own so we can know where people are coming from to reach common ground. It's indeed an issue of minority religions such as the Dharmic paths and yes even Pagans alike for example, particularly here in the States, being up to heavy scrutiny and invalidation. It's surprising and it's not all romantic as some people make it out to be. Anyway, apologize for the long rant. You're a respectable dude Ocean and I appreciate that :) I first heard you through The Longship blog and I'm glad I did. Along watching a few shenanigans in Suris's channel lol. I consider myself in this weird bridge between Agnostic and Agnostic/theist (TBH I hate titles) after denouncing my Christian card in high school because I never felt that passionate connection for me. I've been exploring different spiritual traditions due to personal life events and being much more sympathetic towards religion but I try to remain critical, grounded, and practical in my approaches as of right now. Recently, I have a keen interest again back to Heathenry and polytheism in general and your channel helps! There is a lot to polytheism than I anticipated and there is so much more knowledge to learn. Whatever way of life we live by, we need to work together and do find positive mutual respect and it takes time. But also calling out bullshit on people who use religion to take advantage and pose great harm towards others. Congrats on the 1,000 subs man and we look forward to what you have for future videos!

[@tangerinesky1293]

I've been watching your videos for a while now and I just want to say thank you. I've learned so much about the faith I've felt drawn too since I was 13 years old from you. Like you I was brought up in the south in a baptist family so my interests in the Gods were always looked at like a phase. I am still in the broom closet when it comes to my grandparents but in every other part of my life I am out in the open. I love you're attitude towards acceptance of other faiths and I really think we should all be like that. If everyone took a que from you this world would be a much more tolerant place.

[@GothiGrimwulff]

I really like your positions. I try to espouse civil discourse myself. Not enough people want to know each other. They'd rather fight and vilify one another.

[@aaronkershaw3653]

Dig the intro!

[@anyoneatall3488]

I am so sorry before i was agnostic, when i was an atheist i was the type of person to say the atheist comunity should be opposed to the pagan one i am so embarrased right now

[@Qilue2179]

Thanks for the Autograph Ocean ;)

[@michaelbell3181]

I'm an atheist and I live in the Bible Belt. So, your story resonates with me. Neil the 604 Atheist did get my deconversion story about a year or 2 ago. I found your site via Drew's reaction video to Kent Hovind and it led me to check out the site of Faithless Forum to find this "Faithless Forum is taking a break". What you stated about the incident at the Temple was indeed wrong. Currently, my only angst about religions is with those seeking world dominance which of course primarily the Abrahamic religions. To me, Christianity has become the #1 Internal Threat to the U.S., and speaking up might be "a day late, and a dollar short" but I gotta do my best. I'm an atheist, married to a man. Project 2025 & Agenda 47 backed by the mango Mussolini will put a huge target on my back. Well met and be well.

[@SuLorito]

Just found you through Mr Atheist video about being a pumpkin. LOL. I love Suris. I've seen you before. Didn't know anything about your Channel. I'm going to check out your Channel. Looks like you need a little support. I'm 50 seconds in and I love the animations. Let's see what happens. BTW oh, I was at faceless form. You might be in some of my pictures. Had breakfast with Drew and others.

[@SuLorito]

The sounds of coffee brewing tell me that I will soon be detecting the aroma. We could talk about coffee all day. I have a specialty. I make home-brewed organic Italian espresso kombucha.

[@imjustwolf]

It's good to hear that atheists and pagans/polytheists can get along, at least mostly get along by the sounds of what happened at that temple. We both need each other to be able to have a voice against the major monotheistic religions of the world. We may not agree on everything, but I think we can agree that all we want is peace and acceptance in the world for every single person (minus those that show they don't deserve acceptance or respect).

[@Vladdamyre]

Much love OCEAN

[@comradeautukov977]

16 seconds in and I'm hearing a stewie impression and seeing the epic face which i haven't seen in years

[@greywolfwalking6359]

Woooowww....what a difference a few thousand subs...n...some practice editing..makes!! This was interesting in itself...but the video ques inserted ,brought a new view on things!!! The professor of paganism personified in "present day" productions ,is a far cry from those times!!! Oh yeah...a few months ago!! Lol!! You have come far Ocean Keltoi!!! Keep going... No seriously...keep going!!! Lol!! You are steadily climbing to 100k subs.. Thanks for sharing 👍, You got this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 👍🐺🧙‍♂️🦊👍

[@scrumbobulus]

i agree that we need to establish a respect between one another. polytheists and atheists have both suffered the religious intolerance tied up in monotheism.

[@Fawnarix]

Congrats for almost getting 1k subs!

[@guineanord]

People need to stop worrying about what other people do that doesn't affect them. I don't care what you believe in because it's your life.

[@witchypoo7353]

I wish we could all be like my sister & she is an Atheist & I’m a Wiccan & we are really good friends.

[@DanCooper404]

The sudden LOUD music always nearly gives me a heart attack.

[@issabee7743]

Every time I hear Frith I think of Watership Down and that's what they call the sun, who they do look at as a deity.

[@NeilThe604Atheist]

You rock brother!! 😁

[@SilentSong123]

I watch suris on occasion and Drew both awesome guys. I'm an off an on subscriber.

[@ZaraKayk]

Umm you hung out with me too!

[@bezoticallyyours83]

Why did they even bother going then, if they were gonna be nasty?maybe they just should have eaten at home

[@LilithEveRain]

P.S. I totally agree with you on all of this. We need respect from each other. We share a lot of common ground, and would be great allies for each other. I think Pagans and Athiests would make great friends. I also think that we have a lot of common causes in this world. I think FRIFT and GRIFT between us would only make both communities stronger. I have seen Athiests mocking my beliefs, and Pagans making fun of Athiests (neither to each others face, but still). That just needs to stop. We need to embrace each other. We can do this!

[@aristosbywater9605]

Damn. Well said. You’ve got a new pagan subscriber

[@ShannonQ]

FIRST

[@viatheheathen9087]

Gods damnit I was gonna do that. Second.

[@Esoliken]

>Shannon Q tackled Ocean >Barely survived What the fuck Shannon?! Should be begin worrying about violent Canadians now?

[@OceanKeltoi]

@@Esoliken I had to receive medical attention.

[@Esoliken]

@@OceanKeltoi I stand in solidarity with the Polytheist Firf or whatever it is. We should not allow these violent affections into our community lest it we see more strange images of foreigners marrying each other to trade Syrup for medical care.

[@rosackoh1959]

@@OceanKeltoi frith taken too far perhaps

[@SilentSong123]

I noticed this when Matt filahunty debated a Native American and the disrespect for Native American beliefs tradition and practices really boiled my buttons. I like the atheist experience I also enjoy Matt Dilahunty most of the time but the way he handled that particular argument made me uneasy.

[@SilentSong123]

I consider a part of the atheist community as well as the pagan community.

[@alexquinn2390]

I'm not a polytheist, and I think I've let the far-right within your movement give me a bias against you. I can say that I find Germanic & Celtic history very interesting despite this, and I can say that I respect the religious beliefs of these two peoples. I know of course that you're talking about polytheists in general but I can't speak of other polytheists because I only know the details of European polytheism.

[@OceanKeltoi]

I'm definitely someone distinct from the far-right elements of paganism. I've found that often those elements on the far right aren't even polytheist, but follow some metaphorical mess that doesn't include deity. Some of them are polytheist, but in my experience, most of them are actually atheist when you get right down to it.

[@000Dragon50000]

Am a bit unhappy about any niceties being directed towards Rationality Rules, though. His recent videos on trans people in sports are loaded with lies, and when responding to a critic who corrected these falsehoods, he's made his own response videos deceptively editing his critic's video to undermine the points they were trying to make and just generally being an ass. There is no hope of the tiniest amount of grith with him, so to speak, unless he earnestly admits to and apologises for ALL of this bullshit.

[@OceanKeltoi]

Faithless Forum took place before his response videos. I was also very frustrated with how he responded to the criticism. However, I was also frustrated with how he was criticized. I wanted him to learn and change rather than just be ostracized. I actually spent a lot of time while I was with him talking to him about the subject and how to approach it. But he took very little of my advice in the end.

[@000Dragon50000]

@@OceanKeltoi Hmmm... I mean, I'd like that too, all things considered, but given how determined he was to burn bridges when it came to the public drama with Essence of Thought, despite the latter offering every chance to prove them wrong in the first three or so videos... I really don't blame the community for just flat-out rejecting him until they see evidence of change, and at this point I'm not sure if he's going to actually take responsibility for this situation the way he needs to.

[@OceanKeltoi]

We agree completely. I think he intended to do good, but he very publicly stumbled through a complicated conversation and caused a lot of harm with dehumanizing language and argumentation. The problem is that he doesn’t really seem to recognize that. And I don’t think he’ll realize it anytime soon.

[@karldehaut]

Ocean Keltoi Sadly true, R&R have obviously bias due to a widespread ideology : a devious form of scientist essentialism reducing human morality to personal choice and ignoring social aspect... I'm too abstruse

[@kpheathen9370]

I'm a Louisiana heathen.

[@carter9693]

If you don’t believe that other people are wrong because of their beliefs, you are completely ok. There is no problem with your beliefs.

[@carnival8789]

i feel you,on the pretending..anyone else? (heil odin)

[@KyuuTomoyaki]

Is Ocean part of the Asatru community? I'm asking because I'm a fellow pagan and was curious. I'm also trying to find more people with beliefs similar to mine to connect with online.

[@OceanKeltoi]

I'm a Norse Polytheist, but I self identify as Heathen rather than Asatru. I think the word Asatru only covers the Aesir, and I follow the Vanir as well.

[@BlackFlagHeathen]

Ngl, I was reluctant to watch this video because I though it was going to be you going to an atheist forum website for the lulz and exposing a bunch of Vaush-esque Reddit neckbeards to us for our amusement, I can’t stand atheists like that. Was pleasantly surprised.

[@karldehaut]

I fully agree, sadly I've just seen your great vid. I'm an atheist who wants to live in an apatheist society where no creed will be dictate and everyone is free to believe (yes even christian😉).

[@rosackoh1959]

nice vid thumbs up

[@AlexisMitchell87]

I identify as a Christian. However, I cannot understand the logic behind denigrating or condemning someone else’s beliefs. It just makes no sense. I’ve always viewed my relationship with my higher power as personal. I have no interest in imposing my faith on another individual. At the end of the day I *believe* in theism but, I also recognize that belief might be utterly untrue.

[@jaxthewolf4572]

Wish more Christians were like you. Even Jesus didn't condemn people of other beliefs, he just wanted them to love and care for others.

[@halafradrimx]

By the way, do you accept the ethnic component to Polytheism - in which the faith is inherently linked to who your people is - or not?

[@OceanKeltoi]

I do not accept that.

[@demonic_myst4503]

Im pagan i watch gm skeptic i found this video through his twitter

[@romans8187]

So this is my testimony about getting back into the church after 10 years of being out of it. For awhile I was an atheist and then an agnostic, however, God delivered me out of a difficult and strange period of my life that left me without doubt of His existence and goodness. It's a bit of a long read, so bear with me. A couple weeks into February of 2018 I experienced some dreams of a strange nature during a time where I was isolated, depressed, and desperate. I've dealt with anxiety and depression for along time and I was at the end of my rope. I had considered seriously commiting suicide two years ago and when the depression hit this time I couldn't take it anymore. I was searching desperately for something that would allow me to leave the situation I was in. I was addicted to gaming and was very isolated. I also fell heavily into a series of books I was re-reading at the time that I had a great obsession with, The Dark Tower series by Stephen King. A few months into a reread of this series I had a dreams in February 2018 one of which I think was prophetic, having to do with seeing a woman and man in the dream that I later saw the next day while walking and while watching TV. This was a man and woman that I hadn't met or seen before.There were also aspects of the dreams (which I can't easily get into because it's difficult to explain due to the content) that led me to believe that The Dark Tower series having to do with parallel universes was real. I became convinced that there was a world parallel to ours, like the books, that I could gain access to if I used certain objects that I had in my possession . After weird events also began occuring in my home, with my television, and with me, I told my parents about all of it. They were adamant that what I was experiencing was demonic deception and that I should cease reading these books and give myself over to God. Being stubborn and delusional I decided to continue in what I thought was a great discovery and a way out of my situation. Events transpired over the next few days that left me in a state of confusion and despair. My father also ended up in the hospital that week. It wasn't until I began to cry out to Jesus that things began to change. I began to hear from God during this time. I felt like I should rid myself of the books as well as the stuff I had gathered connected to them. I eventually ended up getting rid of all the books and objects connected to them, as well as a lot of other stuff including my games. We were doing some work in my room at the time so luckily I had something to help keep my mind off what had been happening as well as grow in the word from listening to 107.9 on my radio. When we finally returned to church a couple weeks later the sermon and series was about the book of Daniel, some of which has to do with prophetic dreams and visions among other things. I know now that this wasn't a coincidence. Once I started getting involved in the church again and reading the Bible I found out that these things really aren't as uncommon or unbelievable as they seem. My mens bible study at the time had members that had experienced supernatural and amazing things as well. I know this isn't going to sound credible if you aren't a Christian. Back when I didn't believe, these stories didn't seem compelling or true to me. However I can tell you that if you reach out to God wholeheartedly he will reveal himself to you. I'd like to ask that if you're going through something right now, some kind of challenge or difficulty that you reach out to God and ask him to help you. Sometimes it may not seem like anything is happening, but if you're willing to hold on and push through you can see him move in your situation in miraculous ways. Here's more about the Gospel here: www.tvcresources.net/resource-library/articles/the-gospel-of-jesus-christ If any of you would like to receive or feel led to receive Jesus Christ as your saviour pray this and believe it with all your heart. ❤️ Dear God, I know that I am a sinner and there is nothing that I can do to save myself. I confess my complete helplessness to forgive my own sin or to work my way to heaven. At this moment I trust Christ alone as the One who bore my sin when He died on the cross. I believe that He did all that will ever be necessary for me to stand in your holy presence. I thank you that Christ was raised from the dead as a guarantee of my own resurrection. As best as I can, I now transfer my trust to Him. I am grateful that He has promised to receive me despite my many sins and failures. Father, I take you at your word. I thank you that I can face death now that you are my Savior. Thank you for the assurance that you will walk with me through the deep valley. Thank you for hearing this prayer. In Jesus’ Name. Amen. Good luck and may God bless you! And remember satan is a spirit of fear.

[@TonyJack74]

I love your channel

[@SuLorito]

1755 subs just now

[@alextremodelnorte1905]

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The je

[@alextremodelnorte1905]

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[@subhamraj5365]

​@@alextremodelnorte1905edgy nine year olds be like

[@halafradrimx]

Atheism doesn't works against Polytheism.

[@41Duck]

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Could you elaborate?

[@TheRealEddieBrock]

Christians go to Gay Pride Parades.. Unfortunately with a megaphone speaker... Now to get all factions of Christianity to join each other... Not.

[@muad1916]

Today I believe in Celtic gods and Tree gods, tomorrow the Quantum World Awaken your Mind faith and after that the faith of the Seven.