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@CKEternity2 ай бұрын
After a quick search I can't find evidence of it, but I swear back in sword and shield there was a mono-water looking team. It had 5 water types and Urshifu-Dark, so at team preview everyone assumed it was water urshifu
@ElectricWindGirlFriend2 ай бұрын
ive heard of this too, i believe it
@something78532 ай бұрын
I think it was a VGC team that had goldeen for lightning rod to trick people into thinking they were using water urshifu
@carlosmunozbastias43582 ай бұрын
It's on FSG's "How good was Seaking actually" video
@Bird-wz7nx2 ай бұрын
Yep. I rarely declare things "Greatest of all time," (unless they're very widely used and proven) but using that successfully in a competitive setting is pretty up there
@traiges4142 ай бұрын
That reminds me of the dude that took a charizard x plushy with him to worlds despite him running charizard y in his team xDD
@tezzetmezzet2 ай бұрын
"i don't know if the iron valiant is choice specs or choice band or choice scarf or life orb or booster energy/swords dance or expert belt/calm mind or destiny bond until i watch inside the box" - iron valiant used encore! "i don't know--"
@dse7632 ай бұрын
Oh boy, that video !
@seifeir69512 ай бұрын
I love that video
@Latias382 ай бұрын
goated vid
@kittyshippercavegirl2 ай бұрын
great video, and great pokemon too. I love Iron Valiant outside of competitve so I'm glad it has meme status within it
@Dz73zxxx2 ай бұрын
High ELO video
@DumGoblin2 ай бұрын
I'm surprised my favorite didn't come up Nicknaming an Arceus-Flying "Arceus-Steel" to lure earthquake
@SerHeadwig2 ай бұрын
Iron Valiant legit has more options than a swiss army knife
@greninjaguy52642 ай бұрын
And yet no play rough which is dumb
@lesqueegee2 ай бұрын
It’s like TTar if he had a good typing. TTar didn’t even get a stronger dark stab above base 80 until last year, it took 22 years for TTar to get Knock off and now it’s not even OU 😭
@tiagoferreira2342 ай бұрын
If the Smogon website cared to list every usable set Iron Valiant has, you would legit take a full day scrolling till you reach the end
@butteredsalmonella2 ай бұрын
@@lesqueegee Okay hear me out Pursuit
@Qu1chu2 ай бұрын
Swiss Valiant
@ValianceGames2 ай бұрын
Love that Valiant perfectly sits between Gallade and Gardevoir. You never know which side of the lineage it'll pull from
@throwawayusername98452 ай бұрын
True nb monarch
@pedrowakisaka20982 ай бұрын
I kinda love how zoroark flops so hard it isn’t here despire it literally being its whole deal
@HeraldOfOpera2 ай бұрын
That's what it gets for having an attack that nothing else learns when its entire deal is supposed to be pretending to be not itself.
@theman64222 ай бұрын
Imagine if Polteageist’s different forms had actual gameplay differences and the other team would just never know unless the camera panned below it
@TheReZisTLustАй бұрын
Legit has +1 ms making counterfeit the superior trick room mon
@bluekirby_642 ай бұрын
0:51 "So what exactly does Iron Valiant do?" *Yes,* the answer is yes
@shytendeakatamanoir97402 ай бұрын
What doesn't it do, really.
@CBSnB2R2 ай бұрын
Offensive toxapex in early SV is also pretty funny.
@ElectricWindGirlFriend2 ай бұрын
there will be a video where i talk about this, i love av pex
@twilightsilver62302 ай бұрын
@@ElectricWindGirlFriend :3
@shytendeakatamanoir97402 ай бұрын
How about Band Ferrothorn?
@samiel87112 ай бұрын
I love offensive Toxapex but I wish they'd give Merciless to a different pokemon
@CBSnB2R2 ай бұрын
@@samiel8711 I absolutely agree with you!
@lameboi12782 ай бұрын
Someone used clear amulet magic bounce hatterene in open team sheets. The goal was so that hatterene couldn’t bounce back parting shot and be forced to switch. And throughout the whole tournament no one parting shotted him. But due to the order of actions parting shot will still switch a clear amulet pokémon. He literally tricked people with open team sheets.
@doctorplague69672 ай бұрын
My favorite 'Bait' in competitive Pokemon was the False Stall team, using pokemon such as Serene Grace Blissey with Tri Attack, Gunk Shot Toxapex and Swords Dance Gliscor to surprise opponents who think you'll be playing defensively while taking advantage of your natural defenses to set up on them.
@eyeguyart86852 ай бұрын
the hidden urshifu form thing is one of the most baffling design choices they've made in recent memory. meta-defining protect-breaking demon with two flavors and the flavor is a SPOOKY MYSTERY until runtime!! fun!!
@maxspecs2 ай бұрын
Shoutouts to the master bait that is running a Zoroark on team preview. Even if you don't bring it, your opponent has to second guess every mon on your team.
@GoomySmash2 ай бұрын
My favorite is Water Absorb quagsire. What I would do is have a support Pokemon trick a choice scarf onto an offensive water type, die, then switch in quagsire. Thinking I'm Unaware quagsire, they click a strong water move to hit for what they assume is neutral damage, and I click whirlpool to trap them. Then they're stuck healing me for 1/4 damage every turn while unable to switch out. It's absolutely hilarious when it works.
@dream_weaver62072 ай бұрын
In ADV, Flygon is one of the best T-tar checks. Unless, of course, if it's running ice beam. Another niche option is counter. With max hp, T-tar can always live adamant Metagross meteor mash and ko back with counter. Combining these two in one set has caused several people to forfeit against me on ladder.
@Gold_Gamer_1002 ай бұрын
Shout out to Dragon Dance TTar for being the ultimate fuck you pokemon. Thought your chipped check can barely survive EQ or Rock Slide? Enjoy a Double Edge. Thought Flygon was safe? Eat Ice Beam! How about Swampert? Eh, HP Grass cuz why not. None of these are staples for a reason, but i'll be damned, they're as annoying as they are funny
@usernametaken017Ай бұрын
@@Gold_Gamer_100You might enjoy GSC
@TheVengefulVadam2 ай бұрын
The Mega Charizards were also playing mind games like this in gens 6 and 7. Although you can sometimes tell which mega zard it is based off team preview (Zard X was better on HO than Y, for example), it wasn’t always that easy to decipher, especially against balance/bulky offense teams. You think your Lando-T is coming in on a Zard X only for it to be Fire Blasted by Y.
@asierx70472 ай бұрын
There came a point where charizard would use Dragon Dance, then mega evolve... Into Y.
@The_Bulbous_One2 ай бұрын
Or you can just put the other plushie on the table
@-libertyprimev1-9022 ай бұрын
@@asierx7047 this strat was huge in Gen 6 Hackmons, send out Zard-Y for the Sun, D-Dance while the opponent swaps in a counter, then Mega into Zard-X for the Sun Boosted Flare Blitz.
@incorporealnuance2 ай бұрын
I love using sap sipper azu purely because of the "??????" response I get when the opponent realizes
@Allen-qs2xr2 ай бұрын
I realised what I like about this PPT slides editing format. Other KZbinrs do it also, except you watch 2 mins of content and 2 mins of meme play out - but in this format you get the meme and the content voiceover, it's succinct and has the same effect. Please keep doing them!
@penitente33372 ай бұрын
As an Ice Type Monotype player, one very funny bait against Water Type teams is leading Ninetales, because Peliepper is slower and Drizzle triggers after Snow Warning, which usually makes people think I screwed up and go U-Turn... just to have their only weather setter ohko'd by Freeze-Dry because Ninetales outspeeds. It's so wonderful. It happens every time.
@LoMaLouis2 ай бұрын
They should make ogerpon forms hidden like urshifu forms because why not, its funny and definetly wouldnt destroy anything important and this definetly isnt something that will happen in gen 10.
@asierx70472 ай бұрын
This is horrifying because the only 2 mons that resist all 4 Ivy Cudgels are Kommo-o and Koraidon, and Ogerpon has Play Rough. There is no way to effectively prepare for all 4 of them at once.
@klodpraisor2 ай бұрын
@@asierx7047thick fat appletun:
@sinteleon2 ай бұрын
They'll likely keep open team sheets from now on, so it'll always be known.
@-libertyprimev1-9022 ай бұрын
Another good one is Dragonite simply having access Inner Focus, it's most likely gonna be running Multiscale but no one wants to run the risk of going for a Fake Out and whiffing it giving Dragonite a free D-Dance turn. Same with Sap Sipper and any other Type Absorbing Abilities, simply having access to it makes it less likely for the opponent to use the affected Moves because they don't want to risk a whiff or boosting your pokemon further.
@lucasgreer17362 ай бұрын
dragonite usually actually runs inner focus in vgc iirc, at least it did in priospam teams which were its strongest archetype multiscale was less useful because they usually had a choice band
@-libertyprimev1-9022 ай бұрын
@@lucasgreer1736 the point still applies, since everyone Usually ran Inner Focus in that case no one would waste a turn using Fake Out on it unless they had a way to reveal the Ability beforehand.
@JaceOKami2 ай бұрын
and that's why i started playing draft. you know what you and your opponent have and it's on you to find and use these little niche tools to gain the advantage in a match.
@jonwoods45902 ай бұрын
one time i fought a troll trick room team whose ace was a snorlax with belly drum and FUCKING TACKLE... i couldn't even be mad when i lost it was so iconic😭
@HeraldOfOpera2 ай бұрын
Similar to Iron Valiant, Lucario has a Special Attack within 5 points of its physical and non-Mega is actually higher. Building it to actually use its signature Aura Sphere may be suboptimal but it requires very different counters.
@JoKad172 ай бұрын
Ffs my brother's bachelor party just ended and I needed some nerd shit to rebalance my world, so God bless you for posting your presentations.
@minty76992 ай бұрын
my favorite bait pokemon is eviolite tera water analytic magneton, luring in ground and fire types who would normally OHKO it and then just going for tera water and instead letting me getting a KO was always satisfying
@reddragon1002 ай бұрын
Kommo-o has a lot of sets to play mind games too
@-libertyprimev1-9022 ай бұрын
One of my favorite Kommo-o Counters is that A) everyone forgets Dancer exists and B) nobody knows Clangorous Soul is classified as a dancing move... Send in Ghost Oricorio on a D-Dance or Clang-Soul setup turn and it is a match wipe! Bonus limited knowledge C) Revelation Dance acts as a 10 Power stronger variant of Tera Blast while having a non-Normal typing outside of Tera, this can lead to some massive mindfû¢ks where they switch in a Normal or Dark type to null Ghost Oricorio's RD only to get slammed with an accurate Stab Fighting Type Special Move.
@Masahane2 ай бұрын
Back in Gen 4 I used to use power herb solar beam on a lot of fire types. It was never in any smogon sets so no one saw it coming
@unoriginal25522 ай бұрын
Running into an iron valiant in randbats has always terrified me because I don't know if you're gonna calm mind moonblast my ass or swords dance close combat my ass. Either way I'm getting my ass beat.
@user-nj1li3pp8i2 ай бұрын
This video is just reminding me that GSC Lax is like probably the most fun I’ve ever had in comp. It’s such a versatile mon and there are so many cool things it can do. Now I wanna play GSC OU again…
@shytendeakatamanoir97402 ай бұрын
Landorus-T was similar iirc. It could really do anything, including counter other Lando sets
@tdfhjd2 ай бұрын
Bears in thumbnail
@tdfhjd2 ай бұрын
I go eat honey bear go yum bye bye
@Aurora_Veill2 ай бұрын
hit zu mon snorlax referenced 🔥
@dantespekken35492 ай бұрын
I had a gen 7 team that I called NOU, which was centered around using the opponents choices against them. One of my favorite mons on the team was focus sash gastrodon with counter and mirror coat, specifically usefull against something like serperior.
@TheBoatis2 ай бұрын
I remember Power Whipping an Azu with Ferro, realizing I was trapped with the rabbit and Gyro Ball couldn't save me, and praying.
@TanatatKnight2462 ай бұрын
I hope for the day that we will once again be ruled by Snorlaxs.
@cactuz1162 ай бұрын
On midladder u can bait by taking a shorter/longer time to choose ur move depending on what the ‘obvious’ move is for u in the current gamestate
@nhuytran5812 ай бұрын
The enemy will never assume that my flutter mane has choice band!
@alucard43442 ай бұрын
When you said "Bait", I thought you meant lucario or lopunny or gardevoir...
@vreeze332 ай бұрын
Gardevoir was close
@shytendeakatamanoir97402 ай бұрын
I mean... Iron Valiant can be both. Because Iron Valiant can really do anything.
@steamenginechet2 ай бұрын
I notice you didn't talk about Shartphan in this video. Shart is a Donphan set using Endeavor, Ice Shard, and Custap Berry
@PrinceSilvermane2 ай бұрын
I gotta comment on that name. WHO CAME UP WITH THAT?
@toniconge70032 ай бұрын
Peak gaming shenanigans I love it!
@Xinnou2 ай бұрын
Gen 5 VGC special TTar is an example of this, picked up many OHKOs on lando with scarf ice beam
@reznorweist62672 ай бұрын
I had a lot of fun running a physical hydreigon in gen 6 UU called blissey bait easy one shot with dragon claw, or maybe it was dragon rush, I dunno that was like a decade ago
@NaughtWalter2 ай бұрын
One bait mon I loved using in early XY was Choice Scarf Torterra. Timid Zard Y was a super popular lead but 80% of the time this would kill it with Stone Edge before it could do anything. no one expects the fast turtle
@Sethafella2 ай бұрын
On ranked doubles I fought two different iron valiant teams and both had destiny bond. I decided to take a break and play the next day only to see another valiant, think it has destiny bond, and lose because it had swords dance w/ sash I hate close team sheets
@pmahcgop66932 ай бұрын
My favourite valiant mind game is sending a non booster val in against a pult bluffing scarf no one will ever risk their pult to a likely scarf valiant
@plumble17842 ай бұрын
Something I like using is sturdy Magnezone as most players just assume it's magnet pull and so don't switch out their steel even though they're not trapped. Sturdy has come in clutch a few times where I would've just lost if it was magnet pull instead, it's like playing with two abilities. That or Analytic for suprise power is also funny
@MrK-bw5oh2 ай бұрын
Sap sipper azu is actually decently popular in monotype on water... or was. I quit playing when they banned every viable ice pokemon. Its a pretty funny set.
@Rehase13972 ай бұрын
You mentioned Sap Sipper Azumarill, but not Water Absorb Clodsire? Heatproof Bronzong and lead Supreme Overlord Kingambit are also fringe
@ElectricWindGirlFriend2 ай бұрын
water absorb clodsire is more widely used so i decided not to talk about it. could've mentioned it for sure tho.
@moyai53172 ай бұрын
Lovely kiss snorlax is also a good skarm check because it isnt always that it runs sleep talk
@xxzmaster04xx292 ай бұрын
I remember having monotype duels in showdown with some friends, and we did my water vs their grass. Iirc they switched their Ferrothorn on my Azumarill for a Serperior. When he realized, he gave up on the spot. And my beloved Iron Valiant, knowing 1000 ways of kicking your ass :D
@9Destra2 ай бұрын
There was one guy who put Clear Amulet on a Hatterene to stop people from using Parting Shot on it
@o-poppoo51172 ай бұрын
Chainchomp sets are really fun Imo, just sniping ferrothorn with fireblast or chunking tusk or hippowdon with drago won't stop being satisfying
@henriquecarballoaranha91002 ай бұрын
Urshifu having the same icon across both forms is some next level bullshit imo. I can't think of any other Pokémon whose forms are like this and it feels definitely intentional to make it harder to deal with. Its almost like it has a second ability At least OTS mitigate the issue but its still pretry stupid
@KonkyDonk2 ай бұрын
In pre home gen 9 anything goes I used thick fat rocky helmat max defense azumarill to hard counter koraidon. It could genuinely switch into it an infinite amount of times. I peaked rank 25ish on that ladder. Thick fat also meant that it hard countered chien pao and could sometimes check iron bundle or chi yu. Chilling water could allow me to pivot around after lowering koraidon's attack Draining kiss did around 50% and allowed me to get more rocky helmet chip Encore is good generally Sing because i have no other ideas on what to slot and sleep is broken. Scarf U-turn from koraidon hurt itself more from rocky helmet than it hurt azumarill so it worked extremely well. I took this team using azu in modern gen 9 AG and while it wasnt as consistent as before azu can still find opportunities to be annoying around calyrex ice which is still pretty impressive
@KonkyDonk2 ай бұрын
Even if this thing brought wild charge azumarill could live on like 10%, leave koraidon at 50% with rocky helmet + recoil combined and then KO with dk. Funniest thing ever
@kfirnachum49282 ай бұрын
My favorite bait was back in the dynamax era of gen 8 OU doubles It was using chandelure,lucario and whimsicott as my lead with whimsicott knowing beat up tail wind cotton guard and a support move and chandelure being the 2nd lead to counter and threaten lead whimsicotts. Lucario was there to dynamax and take a beat up with justified to get a +6 and then OBLITERATE with flying max move's speed boost. My bait is most whimsicotts use a physical set,but if i dont ko im probably getting my chandelure hit with beat up. I then swap to my lucario and get an easy +6
@shytendeakatamanoir97402 ай бұрын
Greninja was peak for that. First of all, it had a crazy offensive Move pool. Then it could be Battle Bond or Protean, and there was no way to know which one it is (unless you played a shiny Female ofc).
@mecha58932 ай бұрын
The Urshifu thing is why I had Tera fairy rocky helmet Amoonguss on most of my Regulation E/F teams because it fucked over both bears
@jai2492 ай бұрын
My 300IQ move I always did when I was younger was add a Zoroark to my team and never use it, leaving my opponent to always think that I might have it ahha
@J242D2 ай бұрын
You forgot the biggest lure ever: illusion
@Verminator42 ай бұрын
My favourite is choice band adaptability porygon Z. Loved to see people switch in their Blissey and get fucking erased by CB adaptability Double Edge or Return back in gen 5
@cortster122 ай бұрын
Truly is the master baiter.
@thelog6114Ай бұрын
Arceus-Steel(Arceus-Flying)
@Swimmy2 ай бұрын
YOU WERE MENTIONED IN A WOLFEY VIDEO
@houraisheperd97212 ай бұрын
You forgot “*Player-Name* sent out Arceus-Dark (Arceus-Ghost)!”
@sinteleon2 ай бұрын
Yes, but speaking of closed sheets VGC.... Maushold. Is it going to support, or just outright wreck you with population bomb? Though closed sheets VGC is already a nightmare anyway thanks to terastalization. Who knows if your opponent has the perfect terastalization to counter your move at any given time. :v
@qsxsqsxs2 ай бұрын
Great video!
@PlusThreeQuiverDance2 ай бұрын
A single Iron Valiant in the team preview scares me more than full legendary teams
@whyareyoulookingatthis2362 ай бұрын
The urshi thing has screwed me so many times on vgc ladder because they both require different checks in come instances and i hate the 50/50
@StarshadowMelody2 ай бұрын
0:30 "hindles"
@rehnhuang15292 ай бұрын
Snor God of slumber
@Bird-wz7nx2 ай бұрын
You hate Skarmory? Like how much? Its annoying to play against, or that it slightly ruins your day to remind you that it exists?
@ElectricWindGirlFriend2 ай бұрын
i hate playing against it so much lol its such a pain sometimes
@Dz73zxxx2 ай бұрын
With my low comps experience, I can say my jank bait is mega sableye with metal burst on gen 7 ubers Ya see, marshadow. Invest max def and HP on m-sableye, and spectral thief got ransacked. Except if its sash lead
@gavinaaric2 ай бұрын
Whdn you talking about baits I thought you meant the clear smulet hatterene bait that happened recently
@certifiedcoomclassic2 ай бұрын
These baits are so funny! In Pokemon
@MrInsdor2 ай бұрын
2:11 there are VGC formats which are closed team sheet? I only ever see open team sheet ones
@ElectricWindGirlFriend2 ай бұрын
there are three. the first is global challenges which are official best-of-one online tournaments that play a real part in worlds qualification. the second is the online cartridge ladder. the third is the best-of-one showdown ladder. the two latter ones don't play directly into tournaments but can make practicing really annoying at times.
@SkorBn2 ай бұрын
It's a bit frightening that gamefreak keeps introducing overpowered fairy types (which they then have to create an equally monstrous steel type) and then leaving everybody to suffer the consequences
@elrichardo13372 ай бұрын
me when the “Arceus-Steel (Arceus-Flying)”
@M1ntyFr3sh1032 ай бұрын
Interesting of no mention of zoroak or its hisuian form, but I mean the pokemon don't do the whole "illusion" thing very well huh lol
@pnx0732 ай бұрын
Its really weird they dont show you the Urshifu form in team preview. Is it that hard to make separate sprites for each?
@cadetjones92052 ай бұрын
Which one of these pokemon is the master baiter?
@lordbobby1982 ай бұрын
What other games do you play?
@elladunham92322 ай бұрын
My favorite is arecus steel (arceus flying)
@BrandyJ2 ай бұрын
Still waiting for valiant to make its vgc debut
@franciscofernandezmedrano96132 ай бұрын
another baitypokemon is mega altaria wich gainz fairy type making it inmune to dragon atacks which most people dont know cuz no one plays mega altaria
@rotomgameboyadvance20032 ай бұрын
IRON VALIANT SUPREMACY!!!
@evougaming56052 ай бұрын
Good video
@franciscofernandezmedrano96132 ай бұрын
you forgot to mention zoroark wich was made for bait
@krumplin89922 ай бұрын
YOLO skarm is my fave
@FrostySnow10002 ай бұрын
Encore iron valiant
@jeremye11592 ай бұрын
No mention of Booster Defense Support Valiant. Unsubbed
@Mahongler2 ай бұрын
Yolo skarm
@Magikarpador2 ай бұрын
my favorite bait is using pokemon that are viable and threatening and using god awful movesets that surprise the opponent with giving them a free win but there is nothing quite comparable to chansey tightening its focus
@whisperingnebula442 ай бұрын
its crazy how val is godlike in singles but garbage in vgc
@LightningAirRomanticPartner2 ай бұрын
Im your evil twin
@eneasantoni11812 ай бұрын
I definitely read it as "furry baits"
@ElectricWindGirlFriend2 ай бұрын
this was the one thing i was worried about with this title. will probs change it lmao
@raeidmorad80932 ай бұрын
I read it as funniest balls
@SarcasticBeingYes2 ай бұрын
Pokerman
@aldrichunfaithful35892 ай бұрын
the greatest bait of all time happens twice per game in gen 9 lol, unrevealed tera is just garbage and nobody can change my mind