A PowerPoint about Baits in Competitive Pokemon

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[@CKEternity]

After a quick search I can't find evidence of it, but I swear back in sword and shield there was a mono-water looking team. It had 5 water types and Urshifu-Dark, so at team preview everyone assumed it was water urshifu

[@ElectricWindGirlFriend]

ive heard of this too, i believe it

[@something7853]

I think it was a VGC team that had goldeen for lightning rod to trick people into thinking they were using water urshifu

[@carlosmunozbastias4358]

It's on FSG's "How good was Seaking actually" video

[@Bird-wz7nx]

Yep. I rarely declare things "Greatest of all time," (unless they're very widely used and proven) but using that successfully in a competitive setting is pretty up there

[@traiges414]

That reminds me of the dude that took a charizard x plushy with him to worlds despite him running charizard y in his team xDD

[@tezzetmezzet]

"i don't know if the iron valiant is choice specs or choice band or choice scarf or life orb or booster energy/swords dance or expert belt/calm mind or destiny bond until i watch inside the box" - iron valiant used encore! "i don't know--"

[@dse763]

Oh boy, that video !

[@seifeir6951]

I love that video

[@Latias38]

goated vid

[@kittyshippercavegirl]

great video, and great pokemon too. I love Iron Valiant outside of competitve so I'm glad it has meme status within it

[@Dz73zxxx]

High ELO video

[@DumGoblin]

I'm surprised my favorite didn't come up Nicknaming an Arceus-Flying "Arceus-Steel" to lure earthquake

[@SerHeadwig]

Iron Valiant legit has more options than a swiss army knife

[@greninjaguy5264]

And yet no play rough which is dumb

[@lesqueegee]

It’s like TTar if he had a good typing. TTar didn’t even get a stronger dark stab above base 80 until last year, it took 22 years for TTar to get Knock off and now it’s not even OU 😭

[@tiagoferreira234]

If the Smogon website cared to list every usable set Iron Valiant has, you would legit take a full day scrolling till you reach the end

[@butteredsalmonella]

​@@lesqueegee Okay hear me out Pursuit

[@Qu1chu]

Swiss Valiant

[@ValianceGames]

Love that Valiant perfectly sits between Gallade and Gardevoir. You never know which side of the lineage it'll pull from

[@throwawayusername9845]

True nb monarch

[@pedrowakisaka2098]

I kinda love how zoroark flops so hard it isn’t here despire it literally being its whole deal

[@HeraldOfOpera]

That's what it gets for having an attack that nothing else learns when its entire deal is supposed to be pretending to be not itself.

[@theman6422]

Imagine if Polteageist’s different forms had actual gameplay differences and the other team would just never know unless the camera panned below it

[@TheReZisTLust]

Legit has +1 ms making counterfeit the superior trick room mon

[@bluekirby_64]

0:51 "So what exactly does Iron Valiant do?" *Yes,* the answer is yes

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

What doesn't it do, really.

[@CBSnB2R]

Offensive toxapex in early SV is also pretty funny.

[@ElectricWindGirlFriend]

there will be a video where i talk about this, i love av pex

[@twilightsilver6230]

​@@ElectricWindGirlFriend :3

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

How about Band Ferrothorn?

[@samiel8711]

I love offensive Toxapex but I wish they'd give Merciless to a different pokemon

[@CBSnB2R]

@@samiel8711 I absolutely agree with you!

[@lameboi1278]

Someone used clear amulet magic bounce hatterene in open team sheets. The goal was so that hatterene couldn’t bounce back parting shot and be forced to switch. And throughout the whole tournament no one parting shotted him. But due to the order of actions parting shot will still switch a clear amulet pokémon. He literally tricked people with open team sheets.

[@doctorplague6967]

My favorite 'Bait' in competitive Pokemon was the False Stall team, using pokemon such as Serene Grace Blissey with Tri Attack, Gunk Shot Toxapex and Swords Dance Gliscor to surprise opponents who think you'll be playing defensively while taking advantage of your natural defenses to set up on them.

[@eyeguyart8685]

the hidden urshifu form thing is one of the most baffling design choices they've made in recent memory. meta-defining protect-breaking demon with two flavors and the flavor is a SPOOKY MYSTERY until runtime!! fun!!

[@maxspecs]

Shoutouts to the master bait that is running a Zoroark on team preview. Even if you don't bring it, your opponent has to second guess every mon on your team.

[@GoomySmash]

My favorite is Water Absorb quagsire. What I would do is have a support Pokemon trick a choice scarf onto an offensive water type, die, then switch in quagsire. Thinking I'm Unaware quagsire, they click a strong water move to hit for what they assume is neutral damage, and I click whirlpool to trap them. Then they're stuck healing me for 1/4 damage every turn while unable to switch out. It's absolutely hilarious when it works.

[@dream_weaver6207]

In ADV, Flygon is one of the best T-tar checks. Unless, of course, if it's running ice beam. Another niche option is counter. With max hp, T-tar can always live adamant Metagross meteor mash and ko back with counter. Combining these two in one set has caused several people to forfeit against me on ladder.

[@Gold_Gamer_100]

Shout out to Dragon Dance TTar for being the ultimate fuck you pokemon. Thought your chipped check can barely survive EQ or Rock Slide? Enjoy a Double Edge. Thought Flygon was safe? Eat Ice Beam! How about Swampert? Eh, HP Grass cuz why not. None of these are staples for a reason, but i'll be damned, they're as annoying as they are funny

[@usernametaken017]

​@@Gold_Gamer_100You might enjoy GSC

[@TheVengefulVadam]

The Mega Charizards were also playing mind games like this in gens 6 and 7. Although you can sometimes tell which mega zard it is based off team preview (Zard X was better on HO than Y, for example), it wasn’t always that easy to decipher, especially against balance/bulky offense teams. You think your Lando-T is coming in on a Zard X only for it to be Fire Blasted by Y.

[@asierx7047]

There came a point where charizard would use Dragon Dance, then mega evolve... Into Y.

[@The_Bulbous_One]

Or you can just put the other plushie on the table

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

@@asierx7047 this strat was huge in Gen 6 Hackmons, send out Zard-Y for the Sun, D-Dance while the opponent swaps in a counter, then Mega into Zard-X for the Sun Boosted Flare Blitz.

[@incorporealnuance]

I love using sap sipper azu purely because of the "??????" response I get when the opponent realizes

[@Allen-qs2xr]

I realised what I like about this PPT slides editing format. Other KZbinrs do it also, except you watch 2 mins of content and 2 mins of meme play out - but in this format you get the meme and the content voiceover, it's succinct and has the same effect. Please keep doing them!

[@penitente3337]

As an Ice Type Monotype player, one very funny bait against Water Type teams is leading Ninetales, because Peliepper is slower and Drizzle triggers after Snow Warning, which usually makes people think I screwed up and go U-Turn... just to have their only weather setter ohko'd by Freeze-Dry because Ninetales outspeeds. It's so wonderful. It happens every time.

[@LoMaLouis]

They should make ogerpon forms hidden like urshifu forms because why not, its funny and definetly wouldnt destroy anything important and this definetly isnt something that will happen in gen 10.

[@asierx7047]

This is horrifying because the only 2 mons that resist all 4 Ivy Cudgels are Kommo-o and Koraidon, and Ogerpon has Play Rough. There is no way to effectively prepare for all 4 of them at once.

[@klodpraisor]

@@asierx7047thick fat appletun:

[@sinteleon]

They'll likely keep open team sheets from now on, so it'll always be known.

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

Another good one is Dragonite simply having access Inner Focus, it's most likely gonna be running Multiscale but no one wants to run the risk of going for a Fake Out and whiffing it giving Dragonite a free D-Dance turn. Same with Sap Sipper and any other Type Absorbing Abilities, simply having access to it makes it less likely for the opponent to use the affected Moves because they don't want to risk a whiff or boosting your pokemon further.

[@lucasgreer1736]

dragonite usually actually runs inner focus in vgc iirc, at least it did in priospam teams which were its strongest archetype multiscale was less useful because they usually had a choice band

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

@@lucasgreer1736 the point still applies, since everyone Usually ran Inner Focus in that case no one would waste a turn using Fake Out on it unless they had a way to reveal the Ability beforehand.

[@JaceOKami]

and that's why i started playing draft. you know what you and your opponent have and it's on you to find and use these little niche tools to gain the advantage in a match.

[@jonwoods4590]

one time i fought a troll trick room team whose ace was a snorlax with belly drum and FUCKING TACKLE... i couldn't even be mad when i lost it was so iconic😭

[@HeraldOfOpera]

Similar to Iron Valiant, Lucario has a Special Attack within 5 points of its physical and non-Mega is actually higher. Building it to actually use its signature Aura Sphere may be suboptimal but it requires very different counters.

[@JoKad17]

Ffs my brother's bachelor party just ended and I needed some nerd shit to rebalance my world, so God bless you for posting your presentations.

[@minty7699]

my favorite bait pokemon is eviolite tera water analytic magneton, luring in ground and fire types who would normally OHKO it and then just going for tera water and instead letting me getting a KO was always satisfying

[@reddragon100]

Kommo-o has a lot of sets to play mind games too

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

One of my favorite Kommo-o Counters is that A) everyone forgets Dancer exists and B) nobody knows Clangorous Soul is classified as a dancing move... Send in Ghost Oricorio on a D-Dance or Clang-Soul setup turn and it is a match wipe! Bonus limited knowledge C) Revelation Dance acts as a 10 Power stronger variant of Tera Blast while having a non-Normal typing outside of Tera, this can lead to some massive mindfû¢ks where they switch in a Normal or Dark type to null Ghost Oricorio's RD only to get slammed with an accurate Stab Fighting Type Special Move.

[@Masahane]

Back in Gen 4 I used to use power herb solar beam on a lot of fire types. It was never in any smogon sets so no one saw it coming

[@unoriginal2552]

Running into an iron valiant in randbats has always terrified me because I don't know if you're gonna calm mind moonblast my ass or swords dance close combat my ass. Either way I'm getting my ass beat.

[@user-nj1li3pp8i]

This video is just reminding me that GSC Lax is like probably the most fun I’ve ever had in comp. It’s such a versatile mon and there are so many cool things it can do. Now I wanna play GSC OU again…

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

Landorus-T was similar iirc. It could really do anything, including counter other Lando sets

[@tdfhjd]

Bears in thumbnail

[@tdfhjd]

I go eat honey bear go yum bye bye

[@Aurora_Veill]

hit zu mon snorlax referenced 🔥

[@dantespekken3549]

I had a gen 7 team that I called NOU, which was centered around using the opponents choices against them. One of my favorite mons on the team was focus sash gastrodon with counter and mirror coat, specifically usefull against something like serperior.

[@TheBoatis]

I remember Power Whipping an Azu with Ferro, realizing I was trapped with the rabbit and Gyro Ball couldn't save me, and praying.

[@TanatatKnight246]

I hope for the day that we will once again be ruled by Snorlaxs.

[@cactuz116]

On midladder u can bait by taking a shorter/longer time to choose ur move depending on what the ‘obvious’ move is for u in the current gamestate

[@nhuytran581]

The enemy will never assume that my flutter mane has choice band!

[@alucard4344]

When you said "Bait", I thought you meant lucario or lopunny or gardevoir...

[@vreeze33]

Gardevoir was close

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

I mean... Iron Valiant can be both. Because Iron Valiant can really do anything.

[@steamenginechet]

I notice you didn't talk about Shartphan in this video. Shart is a Donphan set using Endeavor, Ice Shard, and Custap Berry

[@PrinceSilvermane]

I gotta comment on that name. WHO CAME UP WITH THAT?

[@toniconge7003]

Peak gaming shenanigans I love it!

[@Xinnou]

Gen 5 VGC special TTar is an example of this, picked up many OHKOs on lando with scarf ice beam

[@reznorweist6267]

I had a lot of fun running a physical hydreigon in gen 6 UU called blissey bait easy one shot with dragon claw, or maybe it was dragon rush, I dunno that was like a decade ago

[@NaughtWalter]

One bait mon I loved using in early XY was Choice Scarf Torterra. Timid Zard Y was a super popular lead but 80% of the time this would kill it with Stone Edge before it could do anything. no one expects the fast turtle

[@Sethafella]

On ranked doubles I fought two different iron valiant teams and both had destiny bond. I decided to take a break and play the next day only to see another valiant, think it has destiny bond, and lose because it had swords dance w/ sash I hate close team sheets

[@pmahcgop6693]

My favourite valiant mind game is sending a non booster val in against a pult bluffing scarf no one will ever risk their pult to a likely scarf valiant

[@plumble1784]

Something I like using is sturdy Magnezone as most players just assume it's magnet pull and so don't switch out their steel even though they're not trapped. Sturdy has come in clutch a few times where I would've just lost if it was magnet pull instead, it's like playing with two abilities. That or Analytic for suprise power is also funny

[@MrK-bw5oh]

Sap sipper azu is actually decently popular in monotype on water... or was. I quit playing when they banned every viable ice pokemon. Its a pretty funny set.

[@Rehase1397]

You mentioned Sap Sipper Azumarill, but not Water Absorb Clodsire? Heatproof Bronzong and lead Supreme Overlord Kingambit are also fringe

[@ElectricWindGirlFriend]

water absorb clodsire is more widely used so i decided not to talk about it. could've mentioned it for sure tho.

[@moyai5317]

Lovely kiss snorlax is also a good skarm check because it isnt always that it runs sleep talk

[@xxzmaster04xx29]

I remember having monotype duels in showdown with some friends, and we did my water vs their grass. Iirc they switched their Ferrothorn on my Azumarill for a Serperior. When he realized, he gave up on the spot. And my beloved Iron Valiant, knowing 1000 ways of kicking your ass :D

[@9Destra]

There was one guy who put Clear Amulet on a Hatterene to stop people from using Parting Shot on it

[@o-poppoo5117]

Chainchomp sets are really fun Imo, just sniping ferrothorn with fireblast or chunking tusk or hippowdon with drago won't stop being satisfying

[@henriquecarballoaranha9100]

Urshifu having the same icon across both forms is some next level bullshit imo. I can't think of any other Pokémon whose forms are like this and it feels definitely intentional to make it harder to deal with. Its almost like it has a second ability At least OTS mitigate the issue but its still pretry stupid

[@KonkyDonk]

In pre home gen 9 anything goes I used thick fat rocky helmat max defense azumarill to hard counter koraidon. It could genuinely switch into it an infinite amount of times. I peaked rank 25ish on that ladder. Thick fat also meant that it hard countered chien pao and could sometimes check iron bundle or chi yu. Chilling water could allow me to pivot around after lowering koraidon's attack Draining kiss did around 50% and allowed me to get more rocky helmet chip Encore is good generally Sing because i have no other ideas on what to slot and sleep is broken. Scarf U-turn from koraidon hurt itself more from rocky helmet than it hurt azumarill so it worked extremely well. I took this team using azu in modern gen 9 AG and while it wasnt as consistent as before azu can still find opportunities to be annoying around calyrex ice which is still pretty impressive

[@KonkyDonk]

Even if this thing brought wild charge azumarill could live on like 10%, leave koraidon at 50% with rocky helmet + recoil combined and then KO with dk. Funniest thing ever

[@kfirnachum4928]

My favorite bait was back in the dynamax era of gen 8 OU doubles It was using chandelure,lucario and whimsicott as my lead with whimsicott knowing beat up tail wind cotton guard and a support move and chandelure being the 2nd lead to counter and threaten lead whimsicotts. Lucario was there to dynamax and take a beat up with justified to get a +6 and then OBLITERATE with flying max move's speed boost. My bait is most whimsicotts use a physical set,but if i dont ko im probably getting my chandelure hit with beat up. I then swap to my lucario and get an easy +6

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

Greninja was peak for that. First of all, it had a crazy offensive Move pool. Then it could be Battle Bond or Protean, and there was no way to know which one it is (unless you played a shiny Female ofc).

[@mecha5893]

The Urshifu thing is why I had Tera fairy rocky helmet Amoonguss on most of my Regulation E/F teams because it fucked over both bears

[@jai249]

My 300IQ move I always did when I was younger was add a Zoroark to my team and never use it, leaving my opponent to always think that I might have it ahha

[@J242D]

You forgot the biggest lure ever: illusion

[@Verminator4]

My favourite is choice band adaptability porygon Z. Loved to see people switch in their Blissey and get fucking erased by CB adaptability Double Edge or Return back in gen 5

[@cortster12]

Truly is the master baiter.

[@thelog6114]

Arceus-Steel(Arceus-Flying)

[@Swimmy]

YOU WERE MENTIONED IN A WOLFEY VIDEO

[@houraisheperd9721]

You forgot “*Player-Name* sent out Arceus-Dark (Arceus-Ghost)!”

[@sinteleon]

Yes, but speaking of closed sheets VGC.... Maushold. Is it going to support, or just outright wreck you with population bomb? Though closed sheets VGC is already a nightmare anyway thanks to terastalization. Who knows if your opponent has the perfect terastalization to counter your move at any given time. :v

[@qsxsqsxs]

Great video!

[@PlusThreeQuiverDance]

A single Iron Valiant in the team preview scares me more than full legendary teams

[@whyareyoulookingatthis236]

The urshi thing has screwed me so many times on vgc ladder because they both require different checks in come instances and i hate the 50/50

[@StarshadowMelody]

0:30 "hindles"

[@rehnhuang1529]

Snor God of slumber

[@Bird-wz7nx]

You hate Skarmory? Like how much? Its annoying to play against, or that it slightly ruins your day to remind you that it exists?

[@ElectricWindGirlFriend]

i hate playing against it so much lol its such a pain sometimes

[@Dz73zxxx]

With my low comps experience, I can say my jank bait is mega sableye with metal burst on gen 7 ubers Ya see, marshadow. Invest max def and HP on m-sableye, and spectral thief got ransacked. Except if its sash lead

[@gavinaaric]

Whdn you talking about baits I thought you meant the clear smulet hatterene bait that happened recently

[@certifiedcoomclassic]

These baits are so funny! In Pokemon

[@MrInsdor]

2:11 there are VGC formats which are closed team sheet? I only ever see open team sheet ones

[@ElectricWindGirlFriend]

there are three. the first is global challenges which are official best-of-one online tournaments that play a real part in worlds qualification. the second is the online cartridge ladder. the third is the best-of-one showdown ladder. the two latter ones don't play directly into tournaments but can make practicing really annoying at times.

[@SkorBn]

It's a bit frightening that gamefreak keeps introducing overpowered fairy types (which they then have to create an equally monstrous steel type) and then leaving everybody to suffer the consequences

[@elrichardo1337]

me when the “Arceus-Steel (Arceus-Flying)”

[@M1ntyFr3sh103]

Interesting of no mention of zoroak or its hisuian form, but I mean the pokemon don't do the whole "illusion" thing very well huh lol

[@pnx073]

Its really weird they dont show you the Urshifu form in team preview. Is it that hard to make separate sprites for each?

[@cadetjones9205]

Which one of these pokemon is the master baiter?

[@lordbobby198]

What other games do you play?

[@elladunham9232]

My favorite is arecus steel (arceus flying)

[@BrandyJ]

Still waiting for valiant to make its vgc debut

[@franciscofernandezmedrano9613]

another baitypokemon is mega altaria wich gainz fairy type making it inmune to dragon atacks which most people dont know cuz no one plays mega altaria

[@rotomgameboyadvance2003]

IRON VALIANT SUPREMACY!!!

[@evougaming5605]

Good video

[@franciscofernandezmedrano9613]

you forgot to mention zoroark wich was made for bait

[@krumplin8992]

YOLO skarm is my fave

[@FrostySnow1000]

Encore iron valiant

[@jeremye1159]

No mention of Booster Defense Support Valiant. Unsubbed

[@Mahongler]

Yolo skarm

[@Magikarpador]

my favorite bait is using pokemon that are viable and threatening and using god awful movesets that surprise the opponent with giving them a free win but there is nothing quite comparable to chansey tightening its focus

[@whisperingnebula44]

its crazy how val is godlike in singles but garbage in vgc

[@LightningAirRomanticPartner]

Im your evil twin

[@eneasantoni1181]

I definitely read it as "furry baits"

[@ElectricWindGirlFriend]

this was the one thing i was worried about with this title. will probs change it lmao

[@raeidmorad8093]

I read it as funniest balls

[@SarcasticBeingYes]

Pokerman

[@aldrichunfaithful3589]

the greatest bait of all time happens twice per game in gen 9 lol, unrevealed tera is just garbage and nobody can change my mind

[@MDIDITY]

Hey cool im early

[@GGTaino]

I’m a madterbaiter

[@Elizabeth-by7gz]

:)