A PURPOSE FOR NEW LONDON | Faith vs Order - Frostpunk Rap Battle! / DB Reaction

[@hunterwaguespack3963]

Yeah Dan bulls version has an alternate ending where he sings the last section,but a lot of their lines are the same and I saw a comment from Stupendium once saying something like it intentional to show both groups wind up the same despite their intentions at the beginning

[@Shadow-sword]

Ya, it’s a pretty way to demonstrate how both of them end just as overbearing and cruel as the other

[@Kronosfobi]

Its also funny that you could think of it as propaganda. Dan only showing his last part to his followers, Stupendium only showing his last verse to his. Both are trying to seem like they won. Consistent with game's lore.

[@gamesandglory1648]

horseshoe theory

[@crypticwriter7001]

"both of them are bad guys" Welcome to the end of the world.

[@PaulinaZna]

fr

[@hunterwaguespack3963]

Ya ,the world is freezing over and you have to try to keep everybody warm and build up the city again the rap battle is between the two governing types you can pick in the game, I love this song glad u reacted to it,easily one of my favorite chorus lol

[@sofiadragon6520]

It goes down to -150°C. The carbon dioxide from your breath starts to rain at that temperature.

[@nicholasthompson9722]

@@sofiadragon6520 it only remains that cold for a short period of time though, at the very end of the Great Frost Storm.

[@Ивашка-ф9з]

I think many have noticed, but during the second chorus the background changes. The posters become more menacing, the drawing on the glass, the appearance of watchtowers, etc.

[@ThisIsSimplyJay]

Dan bull and Stupendium actually made another Frostpunk rap together before this one. Personally, I like that one more, but there's hardly any reactions of it. You should check it out. It was their first song together.

[@lop90ful1]

This one is pure poetry love how you caught that two forces are each bad as eachother. That peope are sheep line is genius.

[@usernotfound-jw7xs]

in the order ending the people are "mere vermin" instead

[@AskiFin]

In game, there is no "good guy" its more of you need both faith and hope and people to do what is necessary.. In game you play balancing act (which might blow up in your face) and you just try to keep most amount of people alive with least amount of horrible acts of destruction.. child slavery is good, if it keeps your people alive for slightly longer..

[@spillersoda]

Yeah it's not so much oppressed vs oppressor. More like a power struggle between two cultish societies

[@JoshSweetvale]

If you do the horrible laws like prisons, executions, riot police, human sacrifice... Your people *will* obey, but will die in dribs amd drabs. If you don't go totalitarian, you need to manage the morale meter as well as the other stuff, which is *really* hard.

[@patryk7071]

Why I never bother with moral stuff and go dictator mode as fast as I can?​@@JoshSweetvale

[@akawater]

How do you choose between two evils? What an insane game! It’s crazy! Thank you for covering! 👏👏👏👍 Thanks for pointing out the no correct side in this power struggle.

[@sofiadragon6520]

Both paths can go too far, and the ending (for the game modes that have ends) judge you for how far you took it. At a certain point in the faith and order progression trees a decision is so obviously evil that the game rings it in flames, but the game grays out choices more than 1 step ahed, hiding them in a fog of frost that obscures the 2nd and 3rd step. So, by the time you notice that visual warning, you are likely already over the line. It is as well done as the songs.

[@Kronosfobi]

@@sofiadragon6520 Ironically, Faith part is great for early game where you can still keep hope, as there are options to RAISE hope. But its late game is pretty lacking and you'll be squandering your earlier progression if you abandon hope. While Order gets stronger the more you go for it. As a matter of fact if you dont get rid of Hope as a Order player, you will have extremely difficult times during/near the storm. But it IS much stronger in late game IF you are willing to sacrifice your morals.

[@sofiadragon6520]

@@Kronosfobi Yeah I never see the point of going all the way up the faith tree, but going all the way down Order is very powerful. It's almost impossible to ballance an Order play if you stop somewhere in the middle unless the lawbook was very kind (ceremonial burials, kids as medics, no soup or sawdust, all that good stuff.) Of course, if you are kind in the lawbook, you better be on top of those resources.

[@patryk7071]

​@@Kronosfobi For me f morals dictator is me

[@LolaZeta]

One of the places you stopped is a part that really amuses me, because one of the things that Dan Bull has done occasionally in his songs is throw in references to bands; it's not a mistake that he runs the words "joy" at the end of one line and "division" at the beginning of the next together, because Joy Division is legendary in their genre. If you check out his song for Control, he mentions "House of Pain" and follows up with "It's Lethal and Everlasting, Danny Boy". Which works thematically as a description of the Oldest House from the game, as well as a sly mention of the members of the group.

[@DeaconBlues117]

And "Ushering the death of Joy/Division brings a New Order".

[@thetalantonx]

10:36 - I love your reaction and review, coming at it from a rapper's perspective rather than someone invested in this particular game. As a writer and as a gamer, the eloquence of the poetry is what catches me first and the ways in which the perspectives of two factions are embodied in two characters so masterfully portrayed.

[@SecretLars]

Order and Faith, both are powers, each have a line. Don't cross it.

[@Arkouchie]

And how much are you willing to lose to not cross those lines

[@mistermanfiveofive9180]

You should react to the other frostpunk song by stupendium "SHELTER FROM THE STORM", its brilliant

[@DeaconBlues117]

Stupes' second verse also echoes a lot of the lines from their first song - then again, Dan does something similar in his second verse.

[@kinguard3515]

The phrase for this wouldn't be rap battle in my opinion. It's a clash of ideals.

[@usernotfound-jw7xs]

the choice is do you get people to comply through deception and manipulation or forceful oppression. both end up tyrannical and totalitarian, they just take slightly different paths

[@wowiexist9875]

It's funny aint it, cause it's not a 'rap battle' in the traditional sense. Rather than rapping against each other, it's just two people making speeches which are talking shit about the other, but there's no real correlation between the two. It really does feel like politicians in the real world just subtly roasting each other in their speeches. Well, UK politicians at least, in the US they just insult each other to their faces lmao.

[@seigeengine]

It's a battle between religious and secular fascism.

[@Ивашка-ф9з]

in this game there is no fascism

[@olivinator]

@@Ивашка-ф9з it's all fascism in this game.

[@Ивашка-ф9з]

@@olivinator where?

[@EmperorAmbrose]

@@Ивашка-ф9з you are the one in total rule either way

[@Ивашка-ф9з]

@@EmperorAmbrose It turns out the monarchy is fascism? And any dictatorship is fascism? Was Napoleon a fascist? I have a suspicion that some in this discussion generally perceive fascism as "Something dictatorial, where there is no democracy and bad." By the way, do you seriously think that organizing political squabbles and elections in the middle of a cold apocalypse is a good idea?

[@JoshSweetvale]

Is gospel rap even a thing? Well it is now!

[@granthaber1341]

I have heard both versions of the song & the full song in A Purpose for New London both Dan & Stupendium have picked between the 2 factions & powers you can choose between in the Frostpunk games it all comes down to you morality & Ideology.

[@kizukun001]

Gotta enjoy how in character they get

[@BeyonderGames]

I usually choose Order only for the fact that if I have to be a dictator. I’m not gonna pretend I’m not a dictator.

[@noisyash4234]

It's not a rap battle against each other, it's a rap battle for the support of the people

[@noisyash4234]

Faith: outwardly reassuring but controlling beneath Order: just as controlling but doesn't try and hide it

[@noisyash4234]

Both the religious and the non-religious are the oppressors

[@noisyash4234]

The whole games about how far you will go to survive, starting with innocent choices, and slowly becoming more fascist

[@LetMeFLY649]

ngl, the order side seems more reasonable, the lesser of two evils

[@DirtySheriffx]

I hope you give Dan's side a try to get a full reaction.

[@thetalantonx]

The Stupendium and Dan Bull both are primarily known for their video game raps (Frostpunk is a video game and they're taking the roles as leaders of two main factions/drives) but they are both lyrical geniuses.

[@cutemutadedbearwithtwoheads]

The great thing about Frostpunk is the two ways of governing an city in the game it tries to teach that you shouldnever as an ruler go to far for example in the beggining of the religious tree you build an couple of churches while in the beggining of the order tree you start building an police then the further you go your realise thta the church way and the Order way are ectreamly alike aktually the Order tries to go for efficency and secruty becoming over time an dictatorship while the church first seems like the more friendly way but it just an more manipulative and less direct Dictorship

[@lawrencestanley4514]

Can you take into mind that rap battles between the two have two seperate endings, one on each channel

[@AlexanderAzarov]

Almost every single time Dan Bull and The Stupendium do a song together, the two of them each release on their own channel a slightly different version, usually the ending is different (but not always).

[@itsmxtwist]

Often in especially Christian sects of religion a lot of times we (the people) are akinned to sheep as Jesus is our shepherd.

[@1IteleportedBread]

Can’t wait for his video on 2…

[@1IteleportedBread]

I meant them

[@oliversherman2414]

I love your channel keep up the great stuff!

[@underthethunder]

I love this song and I loved your reaction If you ask me I'm team Dan Bull

[@uksoloz]

Well some people hot here before me so no need to explain haha but ya both sides in the game got pros and cons I always go order coz let's be honest if you in the second coming of the ice age you want to be praying or making sure you got food to eat, coal to burn wood and steel to build with? 🤔 It's an interesting game wish it was a little more play time I could get out of it tbh though haha 😂

[@star11261]

I think more people are going to unsubscribe from the little jingles in the middle than are going to subscribe

[@matissebrement1938]

In Frostpunk there isn't a "good choice" there are only choices

[@juanpablogonzalez8528]

I also laughed at "erector"

[@herbivorethecarnivore8447]

Constantly interrupting the video to tell me to subscribe only makes me want to subscribe less

[@mandyogilvie686]

273 like

[@monsterdawg2909]

Anyone else not just realized that order has a few to many similarities to communism?

[@sofiadragon6520]

It's explicitly fascist.

[@monsterdawg2909]

@@sofiadragon6520 Idk, I think theres a bit of both

[@sofiadragon6520]

@@monsterdawg2909 The entire game is communist in the sense that all resources are pooled and nobody has any private property, really. City builders and God games as a genera rely on communist principles of collective effort and ownership of resources - just to have the mechanics of the game work with wood, steel, etc as state-owned resources for any games that have more than just population and cash as resources. The Order system in game descriptions are fascist, the poster designs are fascist, and both paths become more authoritarian as the player takes more severe laws.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Russian Communism was essentially fascist, especially in the mid-20th century. Remember: The guys who made this game are from Poland. They've gone see-sawing between religious extremism and tyrannical fascism several times, from without and from within.

[@revaslatts4301]

Yup, and that scared me immediately.

[@matthewsuntken1970]

This game is the best example of how fast can I become a monster