A Quantum Excelsior: The Obena Class

[@CertifiablyIngame]

Trekyards Interview with Lower Decks design team: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHzVZXmbat55i5I A solid channel with some fun in-depth takes on starship design.

[@TheBigExclusive]

Design is fine but how does Starfleet repair and resupply all these different Starship types? The replacement parts and logistics must be an absolute NIGHTMARE. (Even worse than WW2 Germany with all their different tank designs). Keeping all these different factories running just make parts for one specific ship class.

[@Corbomite_Meatballs]

@@TheBigExclusive You have industrial replicators to simplify things. There are some components that are bespoke items, but overall if you can replicate it, you're good.

[@patrickwilkinson7351]

I always figured that the Obena class was an example of Starfleet going back to basics after the Dominion War. The base design of the Excelsior allowed it to stay a front line starship for almost 80 years, and during peace time, it was the backbone of Starfleet alongside the Miranda. Now that most of those Excelsiors and Mirandas were lost in the Dominion War, there was a need to replace them, and someone had the bright idea to simply make a bigger Excelsior with the latest improvements in warp drive, shields, weapons, and ablative armor. After all, if the Excelsior was good enough to stay in the game for nearly 8 decades, surely, building a bigger version with modern tech should be even more successful.

[@mickeyholding7970]

Agreed

[@navblue20]

You might want to go into the excelsior to thread and explain that to the people who don't like it.

[@TheBigExclusive]

How does Starfleet repair and resupply all these different Starship types? The replacement parts and logistics must be an absolute nightmare. Even worse than WW2 Germany with all their different tank designs.

[@SOULSONICFORCE619]

Industrial replicators

[@japzone]

​@@TheBigExclusive170+ member worlds, many with their own ship yards and logistics. 900+ billion total population. Replicator technology. Just going off all the different aircraft we have on Earth at any one time, if you scale that up to space ships and a good chunk of the galaxy, the capacity of designs and production is hardly something to write home about.

[@wolfpack_104]

The Excelsior class will never die. It's too clean of a design for Starfleet to abandon and I have no issues with this.

[@JBTriple8]

helps it was Captained By legendary Starfleet Helmsman Hikaru Sulu that has elevated it as well

[@EnderMalcolm]

It is the B-52 of Star Trek.

[@eyedunno8462]

​@@EnderMalcolmWith a face only a mother can love

[@JoacinoDaGona]

My take on the Obena is basically that it got a major refit to bring it up to modern tech, like the Constitution class did between the series and the movies. Hence why it got sovereign nacalles, deflector and saucer section.

[@JNArnold]

Honestly this looks closer to just a refit of the Excelsior class than the Constitution refit appeared to be.

[@wolfpack_104]

It was nice to see Sonya Gomez return. I thought it was weird how she only appeared in two TNG episodes and just vanished

[@Cdr2002]

Yeah, she was set up as a very promising character

[@rossallan3585]

Same for the other Chief Engineers. S1 had at least two, and Geordi was on the helm. Which raises something I want to see in a future series, a semi-rotating Bridge Staff. I mean, we know there are shifts, and nobody except perhaps Data can work 24 hours a day, every day. By all means have a core staff, the most senior that even on their off-shift time remain on call for serious developments. But show us who’s running the ship when the bigwigs are off sleeping or stuck on the holodeck again.

[@numberyellow]

She was originally intended to be a love interest for Geordi. When this didn't work out, they just sort of forgot about the character.

[@Cdr2002]

@@numberyellow probably for the best that he wasn’t dating someone who directly worked for him, honestly

[@numberyellow]

@@Cdr2002 That IS a fair point. Though, i don't think that's why they scrapped the idea.

[@jaymikevillanueva1212]

I like to think the Obena-class is a cost effective ship to bolster Starfleet's numbers after the Dominion War. The Galaxy and Sovereign class ships are time and resource draining ships to make but Starfleet still need ships that can serve as flagships in a pinch while serve as long range explorers and have enough of a punch to make potential enemies think twice. I like to think its a better replacement for the Ambassador-class while have a niche role originally made for the Galaxy and Sovereign. I don't think it's made to be a workhorse but it fits being the kind of ship where you want to "speak softly and carry a big stick".

[@casbot71]

Even Burst Quantum Slipstream is _very useful,_ both to get out out of trouble by running away really fast from superior firepower, and to intercept and come to aid quickly. It's not for long range exploration, it's for getting to and from trouble. There were a number of situations (episodes) where the Enterprise-D would have really benifited from having such a capability.

[@bearnaff9387]

**Captain Gomez pulls the Picard Maneuver while already at warp**

[@MoonjumperReviews]

It seems kind of a badass ship to be so quickly set aside. I could see it as a live action hero ship-a far better Enterprise-G than what we got.

[@robstoppablecosplay]

When I saw this ship for the first time I fell in love with it, and fancied myself being captain of a ship like that. Hope we get to see it again in Lower Decks.

[@blazewagner3974]

Please Star Trek Online!!! We need this!!!

[@TacComControl]

One of these days I want to see the Excelsior/Obena type hulls used as what they look like. That engineering section looks like it's topped with a carrier deck, imagine seeing a couple rows of Type 11 shuttlecraft along that deck, shuttle crews beamed directly to their respective shuttles to launch on location for something like a planetwide extraction or something similar.

[@originaluddite]

The engineering section is indeed very 'ship shaped'. :)

[@OhnoesFroz]

Obena makes a lot of sense in the world. It's a cut-back Sovereign but in a platform that is probably easily manufactured and serviced using older infrastructure at a time when the Federation is hard pressed to rebuild after all of the chaos in the decade previous. So kind of just, throw something together using existing technology and get it out there. I guess Excelsior II would then be seen as like a fully new design to fulfill the role and make full use of new technologies and infrastructure.

[@drksideofthewal]

The Excelsior stared as a Transwarp testbed, so I guess it makes sense that the same design could be used as a testbed for Slipstream.

[@paulbeaney4901]

5:42, she was built with a Voyager scenario in mind. What i mean is being tens of thousands of light years away thanks to the slip drive. Then, having it break down or be destroyed with only warp left.

[@entropy11]

I wish we could consider Wolf359 Project canon, because it gives a very emotionally satisfying reason for the naming of the Obena class.

[@Brian-ok2bh]

The Obena class is essentially the Excelsior version of the Sovereign class

[@originaluddite]

And (in real life) the Sovereign took some of its cues from the Excelsior anyway. It's a natural blending and I like it better than the Excelsior II.

[@HeadlessChickenTO]

Venon Geek Media brought up something interesting about Quantum torpedos. He mentions how it would have elements to have it considered as a subspace weapon, which were banned by the Khitomer Accords (according to dialog from ST Insurrection). If so, that would explain its limited use and why we only see Photon torpedos used by Picard-era ships. As for the Obena-class to house Quantum launchers, and a way to replenish its supply of that munitions, was probably a product of Dominion War design requests during its pre-production stage that was just never bothered to be removed post war.

[@SanguineRoku]

A small, fast, light on her feet Sovereign sounds like just the thing the Federation needed... a few years before this ship came out. She's still a beautiful design and absolutely a powerhouse, but without a dominion war to fight a warship masquerading as a science ship becomes questionable.

[@Deltarious]

I quite like the idea of this ship to be honest, as a "B-tier" ship, we've seen the absolute A/S tier ships like the Galaxy/Sovereign class, we've seen what are arguable D tier ships like the California class and now we see some "okay" classes like the Obena class that are a bit stop-gap-y but which are otherwise fine, with no major flaws

[@jeremiahrex]

Excelsior is my favorite. I like Obena more than 2 because it has more clear visual similarities. However I really really dislike the stretched saucer of all the Sovereign style designs.

[@sardonicspartan9343]

Agreed. The only style worse than the stretch is the missing saucers section style.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Also, I definitely like the return of bright white Hulls, as apposed to the Dull dark Grey and Gunmetal colours of current federation designs. Too dark and brooding…

[@Alan1701b]

Great vid. I love the Excelsior-class and I'd be very interested to see the Obena-class side-by-side with its predecessor and Excelsior II successor once the proper sizes for all of them are know.

[@ronin2963]

Nice table of contents. Thanks for that

[@The_Philosophoenix]

On Sunday our star trek adventures group voted for using the Obena, nice timing!

[@baystated]

Which Excelsior variant is the one with the mega-neck shown in some shots? The that the true Excelsior-2? 2:29 I think I just answered my own question while searching for the clip's timestamp.

[@TravisJohnsonncc1701]

I have 3D printed Obena class on my bookshelf. Its one of my favorites!

[@alfredpedneau9598]

Was there a NCC 2000 A ???

[@Jimir]

Am I the only one that feels like the Sovereign was already a next generation of Excelsior? The profile always gave me those vibes, and when the Excelsior first came out, it was considered to be a big, powerful, and advanced. It only feels not like that later in the TNG era when the shear numbers of them from decades of being built, plus being 50+ years old, that they kinda lose that luster.

[@michaelwaldo9363]

I feel you on this. The existence of the Obena doesn’t really make sense to me.

[@MrMcSpiff]

You say it doesn't innovate; I say it's a perfect platform to act as the backbone of Starfleet going into the 25th century by being the final, most efficient iteration of all the DS9/Sovereign-era technology. I'm of the opinion that Starfleet doesn't *need* to pump out a radical new ship design that only has six members in its class every 20 or 30 years before focusing all of its effort and resources onto the next 20 or 30 year leap; that kind of thinking is exactly what led to them having to use an overwhelming majority of Mirandas and Excelsiors to supplement their hastily-built waves of Anti-Borg Fleet ships during the Dominion War. The Galaxy did beautifully in the War after having its shields and engines modified to compete with new enemy tech, and the Defiant was basically a Galaxy's tactical capabilities shrunken down to its smallest possible form--so imagine how Starfleet would have done with a fleet of upgraded Galaxies and Galaxy-derived frigates and light cruisers--like the Wolf 359 background ships--instead of a fleet 80 years older with the occasional hero ship to lead an attack wing?

[@ViroVV]

Its always interesting to me to think about how design would actually work out. So I am looking for a "warp core" lighting system which got me to thinking about when the Akira class was built would likely be in timeline with when the Intrepid class was in HEAVY production, which means that in all likelihood the Akira class warp core would look much like the standard Intrepid class warp core (Maybe with some extra greeblies to indicate it is bigger) But it should be that brushed chrome frame around its "cloud" type core fade (Compared to the pulse type of Galaxy) So you would see a healthy blend of Voyager grade interiors but with some Sovereign elements. So things like the Bio neural circuitry and expanded holotech were being tested out in this early "borg fleet" era of ships So as it relates I can see a concept of the Obena class being a test bed ship for a planned Excelsior II. Where the precursor is a smaller ship which tests out new technologies intended for large scale production of its child ship. Once they know if the intended design actually functions they can easily scale it up to its intended size and by the time the excelsior 2 would be coming out, that size would undoubtedly be somewhere between a Sovereign and an Odyssey class leaning more toward Sovereign size. Around about 1000-1200 crew compliment. SFC likely thought that once they had the E2 the Obena class would serve to replace many of the lost Excelsior 1 ships that was serving as the backbone of the fleet and would be easier and less time consuming to produce. Essentially using Obena to beta test and then retrofit with the release versions built into the E2. With the Obena ultimately serving as a major player in the second borg fleet wide overhaul.

[@phoboskittym8500]

They realize that deep space explorers need a serious punch to show new potential threats that you don't mess with Starfleet. The Voyager experience in the Delta Quadrant only proved this, which didn't get quantum torpedoes, but went to the badlands with tri-cobolt weapons ( because probably the Cardassians) Voyager would have probably been fit with Quantum Torpedoe launchers if it had not been flung into the Delta Quadrant. Even Enterprise D had the 2 stories tall Multi Launcher system that can just spam photon torpedoes in massive numbers, which almost no other class had, because Enterprise D is a deep space explorer

[@tenchraven]

Do we know that these are actually new hulls? They made Excelsiors for decades. Gutting a couple of secondary and rebuilding them, putting on new nacelles and a new saucer (assuming the Excelsiors had the usually emergency separation of primary and secondary that we have going back to the Constitutions) wouldn't be that hard as I recall there is a Sovereign-era ship that is about the size of the Excelsiors with a 2/3s size Sovereign style saucer. Give up a lot of the old cargo space in the engineering hull for the QSD drive, and move it up into the larger saucer. Since you're using the replicators to make lunch, not stored rations, and can make your own ammo you need to carry less sustainment load anyway. Just a thought.

[@StarMandoForge]

The great experiment Excelsior & Sovereign had a baby Obena class 😄

[@LTDLimiTeD1995]

I just assumed that whatever Excels survived the Dominion War got refit to bolster the fleet. Sort of like how they refit the Connies while awaiting the Excelsior to push into the next phase.

[@PaulGuy]

This was my thought, too, except with heavily damaged Excelsiors that weren't total loses. They could strip them down and fill them with new Sovereign-type gear easier than with a fresh Excelsior, since they needed fixing anyway. That explains the new class name, but not Ex-2, since it was already in development.

[@rhylin26]

The Obena class looks way better than the Excelsior II class.

[@3100620842]

I agree even tho I’m doing events on Sto to get an excelsior 2 lol

[@SmartSmears]

I wish this was in Picard instead of the Exelsior II. Picard really feels isolated from the rest of the Treks that come before it in the timeline and the decisions the show makes with the ships is a big part of it. Also i just like this design more, Statfleet taking inspiration from older designs will always appeal to me more than just reusing the old designs wholesale On that note, not a single Parliament Class in Picard may just be one of the biggest missed opportunities in the modern franchise

[@Hartzilla2007]

"Picard really feels isolated from the rest of the Treks that come before it" Well it is about 20 years after all of them.

[@numberyellow]

@@Hartzilla2007 and in an alternate continuity..

[@justinbeath5169]

​@@numberyellowonly two episodes of Picard were in an alternate reality

[@numberyellow]

@@justinbeath5169 No, the whole series, just like every other kurtzman era show is in an alternate continuity.

[@justinbeath5169]

@@numberyellow it's not in an alternate universe because you don't like it

[@Icarus8311]

Obena and Excelsior mkII - those are some pretty ships. Id have loved to see those as part of a Master Replica series.

[@JBTriple8]

Love The Execlesior Class and its Updates The Excelsior II and Obena

[@rahxephonmanga9802]

I have an idea for a video you could do. Are there any features a captain can request that might change the function or look of a ship.

[@firstcynic92]

Yoyodyne gets even more Starfleet tech. The Red Lectroids must be thrilled.

[@stangundam01]

have you done a video on the resolute class?

[@zephyr8072]

Thanks Obena.

[@Centurian128]

If the Secondary hull were extended forward just a little bit then this would be my perfect Excelsior successor. It's still a gorgeous ship to me though!

[@nekophht]

Looking at EAS, they estimate ~630m based on Sovereign nacelles, possibly 700+ based more on the three decks visible on the saucer. Personally, I see the Obena as taking unfinished Excelsior hulls, swapped in Sovereign-y pylons and nacelles, a more Sovereign-y saucer, modifying the neck to fit the new saucer, and slapping on the extensions from the Ent-B (plus all the modern tech/systems/etc internally). Think of it as a Life Extension Program that didn't really take off regarding in service ships in favor of just more Nebula class ships.

[@shabazzstuart7977]

Trek is suffering from over-design when it comes to Starfleet ships. IRL Trek was based on naval principles and in a naval fleet each ship really fulfills a specific role in the overall fleet. The Sovereign class always seemed like a natural Excelsior replacement because it's similar in size (slightly bigger), but then now we have the Obena Class and the Excelsior II. What exactly is the difference between all of these ships?

[@jrggrop]

Came from different designers? Plenty of real world military examples where you go with unneeded duplicate designs. Maybe you backup options in case one programs turns into a dud (British V-bombers), you want to keep multiple yards with different technical capabilities active (USN LCS program) or you just want to keep different design bureaus happy (the Soviet T-64/T-72 saga)

[@shabazzstuart7977]

@@jrggrop Yes, but now with PIC we're on the 6th design of ship that is in the same overall category. But overall in my head canon, I like to think that different federation shipyards have their own design teams and all build variants of the same class-types.

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

"Whatever is out here, we're going to be the first Humans to see it. And I want to be a part of that. I want to understand it." -- Sonya Gomez

[@deksroning125]

The Obena has pretty much the same look as Excelsior II design excepting the nacelle pylons. My thinking is that the Obena class is an upgraded Excelsior class. During this period, it seems SF was Sovereign-izing their older ships (hence why the Obena has a more oval saucer, sovereign deflector, nacelles and pylons - otherwise and from in-universe POV it makes little sense to base your design on something from 100 years ago). In effect, it would be very simple for SF to convert existing Excelsiors to Obena by using replicators, transporters, tractor beams and DOT's. They can simply beam out various sections (since they should be able to beam something the size/mass of 200 klingons which easily exceeds a shuttlecraft - VOY was able to do that - and the safety reasons were mainly because they were living people, but inanimate objects should be fine), and just recombine it in the matter stream to new/modern bits and then reassemble with tractor beams and DOT's - sort of like prefabrication and assembly on site. And then by the 25th century, they underwent yet another upgrade into Excelsior II (when the design and technology were finalized). In all honesty, I was never a fan of the Excelsior. I was hoping the Excelsior II would do away with the pointy/blocky nacelle pylons and the more angular design bits in favour of more smoother lines of the late 24th century which would make it more interesting, but sadly, it did not.

[@PaulReed]

I feel like a bit of a Star Trek traitor because the first time I saw the Excelsior in the third movie I loved how it looked. The Enterprise will always have a place in my heart but the Excelsior was sleek, a modern (at the time) design and I fell for it. Not until the Sovereign class Enterprise-E did I fall for a design again. I loved the Enterprise-D too but it was designed as exploration first with families on board whereas the Sovereign felt battle ready from the start.

[@TheBigExclusive]

How does Starfleet repair and resupply all these different Starship types? The replacement parts and logistics must be an absolute nightmare. Even worse than WW2 Germany with all their different tank designs.

[@gfun511]

Easy answer would be giant replicators. I think they make mention of an industrial replicator in the ds9 tech manual and how they were given to Bajor to help rebuild after the occupation.

[@enisra_bowman]

Replicators?

[@paladinboyd1228]

@@enisra_bowman Devices that can convert energy into matter. Allowing for anything from food to machine parts to be created from a database. These are used by the federation, eliminating the need for currency and make ship building a lot easier.

[@enisra_bowman]

@@paladinboyd1228 you do know what a rhetorical question is? 🙄

[@paladinboyd1228]

@@enisra_bowman Sorry just thought you were new to star trek.

[@mcintoshpc]

I was REALLY hoping this was new lore about the Excelsior II so soon after the first video

[@jasonthompson6594]

She's an interesting ship!

[@midnightlumina7]

people compare the transition from Excelsior to Excelsior II to the IRL F-15C/D to the F-15EX, but to me it's more of the transition from the F/A-18C/D to the F/A-18E/F because the latter transition is also an upsizing of the original.

[@WanderingCactus]

Was this design inspired by the modifications done to the USS Lakota?

[@originaluddite]

The neck is interesting. It slowly creeps forward towards the saucer _and_ it seems to have windows in it.

[@kingdomofvinland8827]

@CertifiablyIngame can you please make a video about the narendra class?

[@shogun2215]

I take issue with Sonya Gomez being a kind of example that people in the 'Lower Decks' can succeed. She served on the USS Enterprise-D under Jean-Luc Picard, something tells me that's going to bump her above an officer serving a less famous Captain on a non-descript California class.

[@navblue20]

I would beg to disagree with you you go up in ranks on your own merits no matter what ship you are. Being on the Enterprise is legendary a ship as it is does not make you a better or worse officer. Tell me was Captain Janeway a lesser officer or Captain Sisko? Neither of them served on the Enterprise as lower deck officers. The ship you serve on does not make you what are. You make yourself that way.

[@Tk52781]

Yo-Yo Dyne !!!!! Love the Buckaroo Bonzai reference!!!!!!! 😂

[@maybetoby]

I love the Excelsior and Sovereign, so this is a win 👍

[@SarcasticChef83]

Can you do a video on what the "CLASSES" mean? Why are there so many? Is it... size? Function? Speed? Or does every new ship get its own class?

[@stormy0307]

A “class” is basically a model name for a group of ships of the same design. Traditionally the class is named after the first ship built of that class.

[@Hagunemnon]

A starship class is kind of analogous to a car model; think a Toyota Camry or Corolla vs a Dodge Dart or Challenger. They're all cars and based on the same or largely similar technology, but built by different groups of people and/or for different purposes. Just like how you have your sports cars, muscle cars, people-carriers, sedans, station wagons, trucks and so on, you have starship classes that fall into similar categories by use case: cruisers, freighters, exploration/scout craft, garbage scows, workhorses, diplomatic vessels and such. Just like your Camry and my Camry are different individual cars, they're still both Camrys and are built to the same general specifications of that model of vehicle, even if some minor details might change like paint colour or whether or not it has Bluetooth.

[@flynn567]

I'm curious if you're going to do the resolute class?

[@matthewsalazar3575]

This seems like a Lakota replacement with all the extra features. And what about the Repulse and Resolute classes from Star Trek Online? They are also Excelsior variants. How do they fit into all of this?

[@laveroflove]

Star trek online isn't cannon. but I would love for them to bring the Obena into the game. I really want to but those necels onto my Excelsior.

[@matthewsalazar3575]

@@laveroflove Good point. Actually, I wish there was a way to make your own “Frankenstein” ship by being able to use any parts from your owned fleet ships.

[@hogfry]

Can we get a Manticore or Chimera. For Capt Nog!

[@CalasTyphon488]

Some style of ships in Starfleet never seem to age , this is one , the miranda and nebula are few others.

[@vonnshlabbah]

Awesome design. Excelsior mixture with sovereign

[@barrybend7189]

Wish this was a freebie for the STO Excelsior.

[@alphaone5406]

Look for the Resolute Class in STO

[@barrybend7189]

​@@alphaone5406the Obena is a good half step between the regular excelsior and Resolute.

[@stankyyboi]

they're completely different sizes so it wouldn't work and has been very consistent in not mixing different size ships

[@barrybend7189]

@@stankyyboi doesn't stop the fact the Resolute is a quarter smaller than the original Excelsior.

[@stankyyboi]

@@barrybend7189 the Resolute has nothing to do with the Excelsior, it's a refit Centaur Class and is available as a Miranda variant in game because the Centaur and Miranda are basically the same scale just realized you're talking about the old T6 Resolute skin and not the Resolute from Resurgence, it's still approximately the same size as the Excelsior because it was an original ship designed to be on that skeleton, the Obena is as big as a Sovereign and the overall volume simply does not match the Excelsior at all in any way. the Obena COULD however be available as a skin on the Exceslior II since they're roughly the same size and shape

[@Daginni1]

I love this version of the Excelsior over the Excelsior 2 type.

[@TheStammzilla]

Video is pure conjecture. Starfleet doesn't need every ship at every moment to be innovative at all times. They just need them to work. Personally I prefer this version to the Excelsior II.

[@dancoad2250]

Cornishman watching after getting home from the pub here! Loving the USS CORNWALL name on the galaxy class model! Any other cornish brothers and sisters spot that or no?

[@carolprice1389]

It's a good thing that Scotty did what he had done to the excelsior because if they had activated the trans warp technology the ship would have been destroyed at the event horizon of the trans warp corridor with no survivors and only tiny bits left of the ship.Then there is the fact that the trans warp technology was for going from one sector of the galaxy to another!!!

[@WarmongerSmurfOnXbox]

The excelsior out lived its replacement. Which does happen in real life. Like the Arleigh Burke destroyers. The A4 Skyhawk. And my favorite the WWII prop plane still flying in Vietnam the A-1 Skyraider.

[@stevengalloway8052]

Obena is quite a big ship for one that goes into oblivion... 😏

[@gislasson]

amaizing video sir i love this ship desing

[@Phil-D83]

Unless they were going to reuse old space frames, it was likely not much cheaper to build these from scratch versus building a sovereign.

[@KevinTheID]

This idea wasn't new and was probably adapted from the already-existing idea of the Chabot class from a Starfleet Command III mod which was essentially a kit bash of the Excelsior and Sovereign classes.

[@exc911ence_channel]

Looks like a refit Excelsior class... something to fill the gap between the original and the Excelsior II.

[@mandroid-rb4uy]

hello Captain Rik happy new year 2024 and WOW!!! 153k

[@sabre0smile]

Visually, I always just kinda viewed the Sovereign as the successor to the Excelsior. It has the same general feel but updated for a new era. Far better to advance (And keep the original around) than just continue to ape the more iconic predecessor.

[@rooster2268]

So this in STO when?

[@timeywimey6664]

My favourite class of ship

[@warwolf88]

i love this ship great job buddy😊

[@ToallpointsWest]

She's a beautiful ship!!!

[@knightofavalon86]

My biggest problem with the Obena is that an Excelsior made with the Sovereign tech package....is a Sovereign.

[@navblue20]

Not true.

[@Davey-TheDJ]

You did not state what type of shields that ship has

[@Revkor]

farnkly I think the lakota variant of the Excelsior could have lasted longer

[@RealengoPrimordialDemon]

Obena class is refit of the Excelsior type 2 like the Enterprise B. Same ship with different nacelles, pylons and a bigger saucer section.

[@ruringas1432]

Wow, i got to this one early, huh.

[@JuanNgtse]

yea same

[@aldolajak1267]

Unfortunately, the Excelsior configuration will apparently continue for at least 700 years. As a result, the Wesley Crusher class sloop (class lead NCC 4709) will apparently never achieve proper recognition, due to it's interloper reputation among Star Fleet Captains. Never the less, the Crusher class vessel USS Jack, continually tries to undermine Federation protocol regarding non-foodal-interrference.

[@mastasolo]

I have a question for major star trek fans, does star fleet at anytime construct any bases in space that don't orbit a planet, or planetary body?

[@anarchyantz1564]

What is that other ship that had the Excelsior in a tractor beam, the one with the weird nacelles that stuck out in front like a pair of space boobs?

[@hanshawks5088]

We need a Excelsior 3

[@kittenclaws5775]

I'd kill for Obena to be added to STO

[@matthewst537]

I think if they went with the tng engines it would looked to much like the b the sovereign class bazaards give it more of a different style

[@danielgertler5976]

It just seems like they took the engineering hull of old excelsior clases and slapped on some newer warp nacelles and saucer section from a sovereign.

[@EdricLysharae]

It's like an Excelsior and a Sovereign had a baby!

[@KOSMOS1701A]

what if the Archimedes actually was an Excelsior that just ended up getting all Sovereign-y after a spacedock visit?

[@jeffery7281]

All I want is the CORRECT Obena-Class ortho views.... Come on Obena, give us something!

[@jameslynch2399]

This really just looks like an Excelsior (with a stretched saucer) that has had its nacelles and struts replaced with those of a Sovereign. The two aesthetics don't blend particularly well, so it just looks like a mish-mash of parts. Like someone had leftover pieces of a couple Star Trek model kits and glued them together, and not even in as creative of a way as some of the TNG era kitbashes.

[@Flight--tz5nf]

Not the best look for and Excelsior. But serviceable. Nothing can pass the original look. Followed closely by the Excelsior 2.

[@sadness3337]

I kinda wished the class was like a protype for the Ex II class

[@LarsLoveToMosh]

So the Obena is the unlucky middle child? Introduced with State of the Art Technology of its time(Sovereign Era) to replace losses of a proven Design and then shortly afterwards get's quickly outdated enough trough a Technology Leap that it is no longer feasible to Produce a great amount of it.

[@joelker41]

The original Excelsior is my favorite Star Trek ship of all time. (Not the bastardized upgrade crap). I absolutely love the update that the Obena provides. Such great depth of character and you can see how it is a bridge to the future and the past. Love it. Probably in my top 5 now for Star Trek.