A Raiders and Last Crusade Classroom Scene Comparison and Breakdown

Have you ever noticed the weirdly similar classroom scenes from Raiders of the Lost Ark and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade?
I've done a comparison/breakdown of them and what they mean to the larger stories.
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[@napsbrickrailways2290]

Man, this deserves so much more recognition. As someone who’s watched this franchise countless times, I’ve never thought about it in the ways you pointed out!

[@upstartcritic]

@napsbrickrailways5997 I really appreciate that! I've got a young channel so I gotta earn my stripes for a little wider audience but I'll never stop loving movies and I'll keep making content! Thank you!

[@rswearing]

This was great, and nothing I've ever noticed before. Watching I noticed something else that explains Indy's confidence. The classroom in Raiders has anatomical posters and the only artifacts and teaching aids Indy brought with him and set on the desk. He's sharing teaching space with another discipline. In Last Crusade, the posters are archeological and there are artifacts all over. Indy got his own classroom.

[@upstartcritic]

Whoa...what a detail to catch!! I never noticed that before. Wow. Good call. Thank you for that, and the compliment! 🙏

[@octoberTFB]

That's a great observation!

[@gregboyington4896]

The biggest difference is Marcus Brody has changed as a character from someone who says he would go after the ark himself if he were a younger man in Raiders. A confident intelligent and able but older man, to a bumbling fool of a comic relief in Last Crusade. I prefer the original Brody.

[@upstartcritic]

Same here. As a kid, it didn't bother me, he was just a comedic touch in Crusade. Now, I recognize I how cool it would have been to see the Marcus character from Raiders developed more. Unfortunately, for the production, that would have meant no need for an actual father figure, therefore no star power like Connery.

[@gregboyington4896]

@@upstartcritic Yeah Brody did seem like a father figure to Indy in Raiders, the way he looks at him with pride at Indy's house. That was a cool set too, to see a little of Indy's house, the decor and all.

[@normietwiceremoved]

​@@upstartcritic It never, and still doesn't bother me. I would argue that in Last Crusade, Marcus is out of his depth and isn't the same kind of archaeologist that engages in combat and acrobatics like Indy does. His highly intellectual nature was kept intact in Last Crusade.

[@daneast]

I agree the change is a bit too jarring, but I also took it to indicate the Marcus was NEVER that kind of scholar. He was all talk, and when he did get out in the field he was totally clueless.

[@readventurekids]

I love how he has to think about how to correctly spell 'neolithic', it's such a cute bit of writing/acting showing Indy's fallibility and a relatable side. I'd love to know the quip Indy made to the henchman before he took another punch to the face.

[@upstartcritic]

It really helps give Indy the "everyman" feel. So many actors would have been trying to be too cool. For Harrison Ford, his charm comes across anyway!

[@Theomite]

I wasn't with you on the memory thing until you pointed out the subjectivity of Henry Sr.'s appearance. Then it made sense. But there's still one point that sticks out: in between RAIDERS and CRUSADE, Indy has found the Ark of the Covenant, the very thing that represents everything an archaeologist goes in the field for. He also remembers what it almost cost him; the dangers of dealing with mystical artifacts of legendary power. These 2 factors combined with rescuing the Cross of Coronado would put a chill on Indy's determination to find yet another super holy artifact that almost got him repeatedly killed just 2 years earlier. My own supposition is that Indy never lost his thrill for adventure or finding new artifacts, but he was definitely done with "mystical object of great power" type of adventure given what happened to him the last few times he went there. Also, dodging Nazis and surviving the literal Wrath of God would probably make the trivial concerns of a Marcus Brody meeting or a classroom fairly immaterial, so his "coolness" is more or less a "dude, I survived a Hindu death cult and a Bonfire of the Valkyries, what do I have to worry about here in a classroom? P.S. Also, Harrison Ford in 1981 was NOT the Harrison Ford of 1989. If you compare Han Solo in A NEW HOPE with EMPIRE STRIKES BACK you can see the shift from Harrison Ford character actor into Harrison Ford movie star. It's the effortless command of a scene that he exhibits. But RAIDERS was shot around the same time, and the character of Indy was new. By '89, Ford was a veteran and he had his persona and he could phone it in without anyone noticing. That might also be a reason.

[@upstartcritic]

There is always that element of what the actor is bringing to the role years later. And yeah, especially with Harrison Ford and the years he had in between the start of the 80s and the end of the 80s. Guy did SW Ep. 4, Indy 1, Blade Runner, SW Ep. 6 and Indy 2 all in the first five years of that decade. By '89 he was a different person.

[@Indylimburg]

Perhaps the the proper word would be "reverence". Indy now has a reverence for certain subjects and artifacts.

[@upstartcritic]

That's a good word for it... Yeah, reverence. It's more than just an appreciation. And, of course, it carries a religious connotation with it. Nice.

[@mikaelscuiller2394]

I don't know if they really wanted this first scene from The Last Crusade to be a memory, but I certainly hope they did, and I always considered it as such because of one specific aspect of it. I usually hate what they did in that scene, I hate when other movies do it and they do it often. And that is making the entire 'genesis' of a character appear in a really short amount of time (Yes, I'm looking at you right now, Han Solo). In that scene, Henry Jr found his whip, got his scar, aquired his snakeyphobia, maybe even found his nickname Indiana as we clearly see his dog around at this very important moment of his life... and of course got his hat and the idea of his future outfit and attitude through Fedora's character. So many traits of his personnality that werent explained in the first movies happen in less than a morning. It's so.... coarse and knowing people from this movie's team, I really want to believe they were more subtle than that and that this scene is kind of a quick summary of a lot of moments that made 'Indy', all of them packed in a unit of time, just as memories tend to.

[@upstartcritic]

I totally agree. As a kid I loved it! But with a more critical eye it's definitely a little...convenient would be a nice word. It feels like a superhero origin story, all of those elements so magically compounded into such a short time frame. Maybe it worked well in '89 because in a way Indiana Jones, John McClain, Stallone, , Schwarzenegger et al WERE our superheroes...?

[@AndyPlayedGuitar]

And they REALLY don't make 'em like they used to! This is great, I love this

[@upstartcritic]

They sure don't. Thanks!

[@MrAgamble]

Man that is amazing. Last Crusade feels like a resolution, but I never thought about it as probably Indy's last adventure. I think you just made an amazing case that it is. He is done. He did it.

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks! I mean, he still went on adventures and all, but it's like the two halves of his persona had finally found harmony. But, yeah, that whole Indy on a "Crusade" chapter is complete.

[@ragnard5668]

Thank you. That was a great analysis of the two movies' openings. A different mystery is how both Marshall and Barnett colleges can have the same exact classroom for Indy?

[@anthonyschumacher9925]

The wall Marcus leans on. Same wood pattern half way up. Interesting indeed.

[@upstartcritic]

Yeah, and how come Marcus is there too? Those couple of years in Indy's bio are kinda vague.

[@upstartcritic]

And thanks!

[@ramon3404]

@@upstartcritic alot of college campuses in those times where similar clasroom styles ect. The classrooms are different just have to look for the details ,..back then people were loyal to each other so im going to go ahead and assume brody got a position in another school and told Indy if he wanted to teach there after his adventure.....i cant see any college campus keeping a professor who disappears for months on end? (again just an assumption).

[@americossack3870]

That’s cause originally they were never meant to be different colleges. In Raiders the college Indy teaches at is unnamed, both in the movie and script. It’s not actually called “Marshall College”, nobody says the name nor does it appear on signs/props. In Last Crusade, they decided to give it a name and called it “Barnett College”, prominently visible on several props. Problem is that by 1989, other Indy media like novelizations and comics have since given the Raiders college the name “Marshall”, so the only way to reconcile the movie and books/comics was to come up with the explanation that it’s 2 different colleges. To add to the confusion, in Crystal Skull the college is called “Marshall”, although it clearly meant to be the same one as in Raiders, and Last Crusade by proxy. Ignoring all the expanded media, the only explanation that makes sense is that sometime between 1938 and 1957 Barnett College was renamed to Marshall College.

[@matiasmoulin2126]

I never paid attention to the years and missed that Temple of Doom is a prequel. Fascinating stuff!

[@upstartcritic]

Awesome, thank you! Happy to share with a fellow film lover!

[@octoberTFB]

It's a nice analysis of subtle character development. I noticed Indy's change in confidence before, but now I see so much more detail as to why more clearly because of this video. Awesome work.

[@jeffreytan2948]

What also strikes me about both scenes is the tremendous respect and undeniable friendship between Indy and Marcus Brody. Dr Brody you will be missed.

[@upstartcritic]

Yes, he will. It is such a cool relationship between those two. That seen after the classroom in Raiders where Indy is getting packed and Marcus tells him the Ark of the Covenant is "like nothing you've ever gone after before" is so great. He's such a father figure and it would have been cool to see them develop that aspect of the relationship more.

[@hang10wannabe]

Great video on two of my favorite movies. Awesome job.

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks @hang10wannabe, I appreciate the compliment!

[@ront0803]

Great analysis! Subscribed, Sir😎

[@upstartcritic]

Thank YOU, Sir!

[@flashgordon6238]

The school girl with the Love You on her eyelids was supposed to be a young student Indy was in a relationship with. Indy dating a student was sort of a callback to his relationship with Marion Ravenwood, who was underage per her statement in Nepal. The falling out of Indy and Abner Ravenwood was over Indy seducing Abner's daughter Marion. The story of Indy and the student was cut from the script. More trivia, the idol shown at 14:37 from Raiders had eyeballs that moved and looked around inside the temple. There is a video here on YT showing the motorized eyes in the prop.

[@upstartcritic]

@flashgordon6238 Yeah, Indy's past is a LOT more salacious than the movies alone would have us believe. That would have been creepier for sure with the moving eyes. I think I heard you may be able to see them move for a split second at some point. Maybe? It would have cool to see the character of Abner Ravenwood at some point, but that would have probably had to be in some de-aged Indy movie.

[@kthx1138]

There's an outtake in From the Set in the special features disc where Indy interacts with a student named Susan, who is different than the student with "love you" on her eyelashes. This clearly indicates that Indy has several relationships going on with his students.

[@johnnyrocketed2225]

Great video … love the pace. 👏👏👏

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks @johnnyrocketed2225! 😀🙏

[@moviesaredope]

Bravo with your amazing video. You did great work & your runtime is inspiring, good sir

[@upstartcritic]

Thank you for that! Trying to get better with each video. You are an inspiration too, sir! With that profile pic I thought maybe you have a channel of your own. Hope you don't mind I popped over and subscribed. You're great!

[@jamescham]

This was great and I hope you make more of them! One note about the white suit of the Panama Hat guy-Belloq also wore a white suit…

[@upstartcritic]

Yeah, that was a little that got lost in the making of the video. Good catch there!

[@sarlaccstapeworm990]

I remember seeing "The Last Crusade" in theaters with my mom when I was in my teens... DEFINITELY one of my BEST childhood memories! I really HATE what they've relegated Indies character to. Making him play second string to the "strong independent female" (courtesy of the panderverse), but at least we will always have OUR version of the character from yesteryear, to look back on and smile at! ...And that which is "the genuine article" will ALWAYS be a part of our lives! 👍💯

[@upstartcritic]

Me too! I remember coming home and diving over the back of the couch and across the living room table playing Indy. What a great memory!

[@sarlaccstapeworm990]

@@upstartcritic That was a GREAT era wasn't it?! 😁👍

[@upstartcritic]

It really was. I'm thankful I was old enough to experience it. I do wonder if the kids these days get the same kind of high as we did with those movies. Spielberg and the 80s movies were a different kind of psychological experience than the huge superhero movies.

[@chava.fernando]

Great analysis!!!

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks @chava.fernando! I appreciate you watching the video, from one film lover to another!

[@MagicFred]

That’s a pretty young channel! If you do more videos like this excellent one, I will probably subscribe! Keep up the good work!

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks for that @MagicFred! You just made my summer!

[@user-otzlixr]

Keep us updated Fred!

[@robpatershuk]

I really appreciate this video! Subscribed and looking forward to your future stuff!

[@upstartcritic]

Nice, thanks for that @robpatershuk!

[@flancrestenterprises945]

Super video! I knew there were two similar scenes at the start of these movies but never realised quite how similar they were. Shot for shot in some cases! The similarities, including the use of the green object, and then the differences in how the characters navigate the scene are really amazing filmmaking. Thanks for a really interesting analysis!

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks so much! I appreciate you taking the time to watch 😃🙏and comment!

[@Tk-4444]

Thank You

[@REKFilmsMontana]

Dang dude I Grew up on these films and I made this observation years ago before the internet. The first and 3rd film pair together so perfectly.

[@upstartcritic]

Sweet! It was something I figured other people had noticed over the years and was surprised I couldn't find a comparison online. Figured I'd put it out there! They do pair so well- There are so many parallels in the opening action scenes, as well as the rest of the movie, as you know. Thanks for watching the video.

[@REKFilmsMontana]

Yeah man thanks for doing this video. Modern film makers could learn sooooo much just from this comparison alone.@@upstartcritic

[@cortc3177]

Ah ALL THREE Indiana films...love them.

[@LaggingLeland]

Gotta say, underrated stuff man, keep moving forward, improving and mastering your craft!! 👍

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks for that! Yeah, the sound quality (and other aspects) could be a lot better, but hopefully the work will show in future vids. I really appreciate that encouragement @LaggingLeland 🙏 it means a lot

[@steve007w]

The college that was used is actually The Royal Masonic School for Girls in Rickmansworth. It was my daughter's maths classroom, and the room is flat. The windows give the design away. The film production company built the school an indoor swimming pool post the first movie.

[@upstartcritic]

No kidding... they added the levels? Interesting. I guess it's a little more cinematic. Thanks for that tid-bit!

[@jmatos316]

I just had to say thank you, that was awesome 😎 i subbed and im sharing with my daughter -- we love discussing composition and editing and story. Makes me wish i was teaching basic cinema again ❤

[@upstartcritic]

Wow, thank you! That's so cool that your daughter shares a passion for movies too. I bet that was a great job, teaching cinema 😃

[@DonovanWert]

Awesome 😎 thanks brother!!🙏

[@upstartcritic]

Right on, thank you @Donovanwert!

[@samplusker596]

Wonderfully done! Indiana Jones and Pirates of the Caribbean essays are my favorite genre of youtube video. Keep em coming!

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks so much for the comment two months ago! Sorry to disappoint but my next video will be a Happy Gilmore Hero's Journey video. But, a Pirate's video would be a lot of fun!

[@samplusker596]

@@upstartcritic I will also happily watch any Adam Sandler related content. Great Choice!

[@TheRealMonkeyrogue]

Nicely done!

[@upstartcritic]

Right on, thanks @TheRealMonkeyrogue! Nice name btw

[@beckerqueiroz]

Thank you for pointing this out. You deserve more views!

[@upstartcritic]

Nice, thanks for that! ❤😀

[@StarWarsUpdate]

FANTASTIC video!

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks @StarWarsUpdate!

[@marxmaxmuscle1]

only 72 subscribers? whats up with that? great content, lets get this guy over 1000 subs!

[@upstartcritic]

Nice, thanks for that @marxmaxmuscle1 It's slow going but making this kinda content will never not be fun, so I'll keep 'em coming!

[@EsotericaVaFangool]

13:17 yea its so cool how they used the first scene in raiders as a basis to grow his character. writing like that is very camp in a way to me but like intellectually competent.

[@mikeymike2256]

Powerful analysis!

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks @mikeymike2256!

[@NoWells91]

Its funny that the school Indy is teaching at is different from Raiders to Last Crusade, but the class room remains the same. Excellent breakdown/analysis!

[@upstartcritic]

Yeah, apparently they filmed at the same school. It's weird, it's like they both did want and did not want us to notice the difference. And why is Marcus at both places?! They offer no explanation there! Thanks btw!

[@thegneech]

Hat scene as knighting is a detail I'd missed! Nice catch. :)

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks! It only took 34 years for it to occur to me. Haha. I never read it that way until I decided to take a good, thorough look at these scenes for a video topic.

[@Indylimburg]

Fantastic breakdown. These are all things I picked up on subconsciously, but didn't necessarily overtly notice. That's what makes TLC a masterpiece.

[@upstartcritic]

The perfect third movie!!

[@ShaneyBright]

Subscribed. I love this stuff.❤ Edit: I love Spielberg's push-ins. 4:35. He does some nice ones in the Columbo episode he directed, Murder by the Book.👍

[@upstartcritic]

I gotta track down that episode of Columbo. I remember reading about a slow push-in shot of the back of a woman on the phone as she gets bad news. The producers were in a tizzy because they thought it was insane to not show the performer's face. But Spielberg felt his way to be more emotional. Guess he was doing something right 😀

[@ramon3404]

I.J. Kingdom of the crystal skull has a similar classroom scene.....

[@Bonesph]

Fascinating!

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks @Bonesph

[@elder-woodsilverstein7716]

There's a possibility that the reason Indy was stumbling over himself in Raiders was because he was still getting over the loss of the Idol. In Crusade, he felt confident after finally getting the Cross of Coronado.

[@AceLM92]

Wow that was great. I think we all knew that surface level stuff, but never thought there was as much beneath it as you articulated. I think that's why Spielberg and Lucas are such a great team

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks @AceLM92! Yeah, they were/are such a great pair. It was just movie history magic in those days.

[@kenkalinowski449]

When you flashed the sign "Midvale School for the Gifted" I had the incredible urge to push on the door marked "pull to open"...ROFL.

[@upstartcritic]

Yes!! I was wondering if there a single person out there who would recognize that! Thank you!!

[@kenkalinowski449]

@@upstartcritic yeah. It’s my 2nd favorite next to the cows driving by humans in the field. Great video btw.

[@upstartcritic]

Thank you! There are so many great Far Side panels. I recently tried to find one online of (I believe) the Pope falling down stairs like a slinky, but couldn't find it. I wondered if maybe it's been scrubbed for PC reasons. Shame. It's probably in the "Prehistory of the Far Side" book, published 30 years ago, that I have buried away somewhere. Thanks again

[@hikerinaustralia]

7:33 love the Farside reference :)

[@upstartcritic]

Good catch!

[@ranulf8477]

The best in Indy 3 is that Jones and everybody is telling nothing but the truth. Things that can and will happen and things to take care of. Even the bad guys tell him not to trust anybody. And it all really happens later in the whole movie 😂. I noticed it after I watched it for the 50x time or so. The script is just so well written and you can feel the huge amount of work that went into every scene. You just don't notice it when you watch it as a normal movie and don't think about it but it's such a masterpiece of cinema. Everything is there for a reason.

[@upstartcritic]

Man, the care with which they wrote every single line is flabbergasting! I guess it's one of the reasons why we can re-watch it over and over.

[@ranulf8477]

@@upstartcritic Also when Indy and his father escaped the castle in austria on the road to Venice/Berlin Indy says that the diary is in Berlin: The lions den (!). This is what happened to him in 1912 on the train (!). So the beginning has a lot to do with the whole movie. The relation between Indy, his father, the holy grail. Why he had to count 10 on greek (its the X who marks the spot!). This movie has so many levels that you have to think about every line they speak. Its a unbelievable script, noone can do something like this today. I also never thought about that Indiana Jones is just Henry Jones jr. in part 3. Thats a very interesting point of view. I have to watch this movie again even if I watched it today. 😅

[@upstartcritic]

Whoa...that's great! Counting to X marks the spot. The lion's den. Man, it's been 3 and a half decades and these movies are still blowing my mind. Thank you! Yeah, today all of the references are so club-you-over-the-head that there's no room for true poetry like the Indy films. If I hear one more movie or TV show do their version of "You're gonna need a bigger boat" from Jaws I'm gonna scream.

[@ForceMaximus84]

The great thing about the first three Indy movies is that the crew has been predominantly the same, so it makes sense from both the creative and the technical aspects that there are similarities and different within the similarities.

[@upstartcritic]

Yeah, at one point in one of the featurettes Spielberg literally says that he wanted to pretty much make the same movie. Too bad he hadn't thought of the Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings trilogy shoot-em-all-at-the-same-time approach.

[@MichaelAarons1701]

Regarding the declining of the quest: the Cross of Coronado was to Indy that thing that couldn’t be let go over all these years as the Grail was to his father. Indy had just finished getting what he’d had stuck in his craw about losing and obtaining, that eluded him for over two decades, and now it’s as if he’d achieved his personal fulfillment that drove him on these adventures. Raiders had him jumping at the bits not to let the fertility idol get away but, of course, God was waiting. Incidentally, it is an Abrahamic artefact that snaps Indy out of his mindset regarding his initial mission there as ultimately in the third film. The fact that _The Last Crusade_ involves the theme of letting go as Henry Sr. has finally (literally) found his Grail, and now the obsession calls to his son, despite it forming a toxic relationship between them over the years, is rather odd when you consider that the only thing still eluding Indy was his father’s presence in his life (stolen by the Grail obsession) only for his father to bequeath his own obsession onto him with the ultimate solution being, just let it go which his father had just learned. When one gets drunk enough to think about, and factor in, the 4th and 5th 😒 films, in either sequel, Indy has no earnest desire to ever partake the main quest unless there is some personal peril involved sorts like a personal obligation. Is Indiana Jones supposed to be merely a completionist? Or has his entire life been about righting that one wrong from 1912?

[@upstartcritic]

Nicely put. Indy may just be a completions. Or, yeah, he's still chasing that dragon from the first adventure. Ever the reluctant hero, either way. I still haven't seen DoD.... 🤣 "When one get drunk enough to think about..."

[@DrMetPhD]

The Midvale School for the Gifted got me lol

[@upstartcritic]

Good eye!

[@dad_jokes_4ever226]

To further tie the two smash cut scenes together: the blood on Indy's chin , which also changes sides as the scene progresses on the boat .. so a bit of a continuity error there too

[@upstartcritic]

Good catch. Hadn't even noticed!!

[@devinmon]

And the fact that the blood on his lip changes sides like a politician trying to increase power.

[@upstartcritic]

🤣

[@paulpski9855]

Nice take on this subject.

[@upstartcritic]

Thank you @paulpski9855! Hope you had a fun diversion for a few minutes 😀

[@anthonyschumacher9925]

Quoting Bodi from Point Break no less. I too am a serious movie fan. Well done sir. Well done.

[@upstartcritic]

Most excellent quote!! Thank you much!

[@patrickmullane30]

Tremendous- ❤

[@upstartcritic]

Thank you @patrickmullane30!

[@Jjj53214]

The match cut elements are the hat as well as the blood on mouth/chin.

[@upstartcritic]

Nice catch, I hadn't even thought of it!!

[@DavidBallCalif]

Excellent breakdown on everything, but there's ONE thing that's always jumped out to me with regard to Raiders. Indy says he "just needs" $2000 to go get the idol from Belloq, but in 1936 $2000 was equivalent to $43,750 in 2023! Was that kinda cash considered chump change in 1936? During the Depression? I would have thot Marcus' next words out of his mouth would have been, "Are you serious?"

[@upstartcritic]

Dang, I never did the conversion - that's insane! Right?! $2000 in 1936?!

[@sparaz]

Ive always pondered on these two scenes and their contrasts. I always looked at it that he's a renowned archeologist now and the interests of the students in the sequel show that reverence for him. I figured that goes along with his confidence. It's like its superpositioning his character growth directly. The apple thing was a good catch. I noticed he stole it but never thought about it being an accident because i never focused or slowed it during that part. Did you catch it before you started doing this analyis or after?

[@upstartcritic]

I hadn't considered the viewpoint of the students, that's great! It totally makes sense they would look at him differently too in Crusade. And no, I had not looked thay closely at the apple before. It wasn't until I slowed it down that the accident angle occurred to me.

[@madmaxit2]

Great stuff. So the real college that Raiders filmed at was University of the Pacific in Stockton, Ca. Lucas, being from Modesto, knew of that college and probably cruised Pacific ave during the late 50’s. Anyway, the scene were Indy and Brody describe the Ark was in a church that is on that campus. Just an FYI in case you didn’t know that tidbit.

[@upstartcritic]

Oh, that's cool, I didn't know that Indy/Brody scene was filmed in a church. Thanks for that!

[@craZyfoXColorado]

I mean there’s also a similar thing happening in crystal skull, similar shot set ups again in the collage after again a big action piece.

[@upstartcritic]

I definitely gotta rewatch Crystal Skull. I didn't want to over-extend on this first long-ish video, but there is SO MUCH TO THESE MOVIES! Thanks!

[@hughsnyder8422]

We don't discuss Crystal Skull.

[@upstartcritic]

Never heard of it.

[@VenusHeadTrap2]

Spielberg in 1983 "Let's make a completely different Indy adventure and not Raiders part 2." Spielberg in 1988 "Let's make Raiders again and pretend Temple of Doom doesn't exist."

[@upstartcritic]

Hahaha!! Exactly! Everybody hates N*zis!!

[@dad_jokes_4ever226]

23:10: Here is Indiana , or Indy, the dog that we find out later that Henry Junior is named after.. maybe emphasising that Henry Junior is still only Henry Junior at this point and has yet to become " Indy "...... or I'm just overthinking this !

[@upstartcritic]

There is no over-thinking movies haha! Well, maybe at some point. It would be interesting to see the moment Young Henry starts telling people to call him by the dog's name.

[@kristhijs3180]

Last crusade: window open/close/open. Differnt bord and lamps in classroom

[@upstartcritic]

They really did what they could to make it look thw same but different. But the same.

[@panathentic]

That was beautifully put together! Very clear and concise. Amazing quality, both in content and presentation. Do a couple more of these, let the algorithm pick it up, and you'll be well on your way to 100k and beyond, because THAT was the most interested I've ever been about the classroom scenes in Indiana Jones. Bravo.

[@upstartcritic]

What an awesome compliment, thank you @panathentic! Still working and working on improving the video/audio quality 😃🙏

[@kthx1138]

Same scene, more realistic acting in Raiders. In Raiders, Indy was actually lecturing, about Turkdeen barrow near Hazelton, instead of preaching gospel about archeology in general in Crusade. In Crusade, he's more confident and also a pompous-ass. I'm assuming, in Crusade, it's THE FIRST DAY of class in a new semester; whereas in Raiders, we're in mid-semester. In Crusade, Indy is OLDER, probably too old to be leering at 18-24 year old college coed cuties. In Raiders, after narrowly escaping death several times, of course his performance is going to be a little "off" in his Professorial job in the classroom. In Crusade, narrowly escaping death doesn't seem to phase his classroom performance. In Raiders, he's like Superman and Clark Kent--death defying adventurer one minute, meek and humble Professor the next. In Crusade, he's just an all-around stud who seems to have grown weary of teaching.

[@upstartcritic]

@kthx1138 Yeah, by the time we get to Crusade he's pretty much always Indiana/Superman and not Dr. Jones/Clark Kent. I'm not a fan of the Pepe le Pew style wooing of the Elsa character either. As a kid I just didn't pay attention to those lines of dialogue. Now I cringe at the "and my mother's ears, but the rest belongs to you" stuff. It's not the Bogie level of charm and witty dialogue they thought it was.

[@andrewbevan4662]

Well it's basically a lazy remake of Raiders ..after the bad reviews of the gore in Temple they decided to play it safe..

[@upstartcritic]

It was definitely the safe decision. After all, who doesn't love seeing our hero kick the crap out of some Nazis? Safe, but a fitting wrap-up (ahem) to the character.

[@jomomma1072]

0:26 ok you mentioned “the Indiana jones movies” during a screen cap of three movies. Ok I’m listening, you got my attention. This seems to be a fan with some sense.

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks! Hopefully you still feet that way after watching the video lol!

[@HankMeyer]

I think I'm interpreting it slightly differently. The way I interpret it is that Indy achieved his fortune and glory (symbolically via the golden cross), only to discover that it had been distracting him from what really mattered all along. It's a story of a man trying to recover what his obsessions caused him to neglect. In the beginning of the film we see a man obtain his life's quest at the cost of his relationship with his father, then in the end of the film, he watches that father give up his own life's quest to retain his son. He initially has to be Indiana Jones one more time to save his father, but ultimately, the only way to save himself is to become Henry Jones Jr. The theme very much mirrors self-made millionaires and celebrities, and how after reaching the top, they discover that they're not any happier because of who they had to lose to get there. It's a beautiful film. It's definitely my favorite Indy movie. 1989-98 were really peak Spielberg. I like your comparison between the passing of the fedora and the attenpted passing of the sword, and how Indy had learned not to take the bait.

[@upstartcritic]

Hey, thanks @HankMeyer! Those late 80s years really were peak Spielberg. Love that idea about hisbgather having to give up his life's quest to retain his son. Man, they don't do character like they used to!

[@captiannemo1587]

Notice how different the contents of the classroom changes as well, what’s there, how cluttered it is or isn’t it.

[@floppapro]

7:21 In Raiders is in San Francisco and in Last Crusade is in New York

[@upstartcritic]

Good call, I was trying to keep it to movie info only.

[@jandraelune1]

The physical classroom is the same in both, but the building exterior is different.

[@daneast]

Spielberg must not have been able to get access to the University of the Pacific for the exterior shot again in Last Crusade. Considering he used the exact same classroom interior from the Masonic school in England, he clearly intended for them to be set at the exact same place. The first building (at University of the Pacific ) is still standing and looks almost exactly the same still today. Anyone know why he used a different school for that exterior shot in Last Crusade?

[@upstartcritic]

I think it has something to do with the way they're was developed. It sees like they intended for it to be the same school in the movies and then fudged with the canon lore a little bit afterwards.

[@JimAllder11]

Another thing to note: Raiders is more realistic and artfully crafted, whereas Last Crusade is a rather lazy, assembly line effort. Registering a new phase in Spielberg's process and career. *also when Marcus walks in and stands against the wall in Last Crusade, that first girl to the right of him, is Melora Hardin. Jan from The Office. She has confirmed this on more than one occasion.

[@upstartcritic]

Holy canoli! I never knew that was Jan! I don't think I even looked at ther face. That would have been a nice touch to the video: "By the way, this student next to Marcus here? That's Jan from the TV show The Office." with a little bell 'DING!' and an arrow pointing her out. Thanks for that factoid 🙏

[@JimAllder11]

@@upstartcritic She was already an established actress in small roles, but she has stated she was doing a friend a favor.

[@upstartcritic]

Interesting...gonna try to find an interview with her talking about it. Man, imagine the favor you do for a friend is being in a scene in a Spielberg movie in the 80s.

[@rickdeckardbladerunner2049]

I know exactly why Indy is acting like this! He drank the blood of Kali, the Black Sleep of the Kali Ma. The fire did not totally get it out of his system. That totally messed him up for a few years, including Raiders. He bounced back in Crusade because he visited a shaman prior to the Crusade! lol Indy was much more confident in Temple of Doom. The Fedora guy in Crusade sure does look like Indy with the hat and outfit. That must have been Indy's role model to some degree. They did label Indy as a grave robber. I loved the video and subscribed. I did watch the full video to the end.

[@upstartcritic]

Woah. That had NEVER occurred to me. Now THAT would be a great video topic!! Thanks for the comment and subscription! I'm going to need thinking about that Blood of Kali theory all weekend

[@trevorlambert4226]

How do you explain the same classroom being in two different colleges?

[@ChrisRoth1972]

The College from the exterior look somewhat different however Indiana Jones Classroom looks exactly like the same one from Raiders & Last Crusade. Wonder if these are the same sets from both flicks?!

[@upstartcritic]

Apparently they were both filmed at Rickmansworth Masonic School in Hertfordshire, England. It doesn't seem to be much of a concern as there is no explanation as to why Marcus is at both colleges too. Evidently he just follows Indy around.

[@americossack3870]

Great video! I’d love to watch a Last Crusade analysis if you ever make one. Regarding the idea that it’s 2 different colleges, I don’t really buy it, even though it seems like common knowledge among Indy fans. I think originally they were meant to be the same college, at least as envisioned by the filmmakers. In Raiders the college Indy teaches at is unnamed, both in the movie and script. It’s not actually called “Marshall College”, nobody says the name nor does it appear on any signs/props. In Last Crusade, they decided to give it a name and called it “Barnett College”, prominently visible on several props. Nothing indicates that it’s supposed to be a different college. They even shot the scene in the same classroom. If it was supposed to be a different college, they could’ve easily just chosen a different room to film in, but if you compare the scenes aside from minor differences it is the same place, with the same building outside the window and the same wood grain on the wall. Problem is that by 1989, other Indy media like novelizations and comics have since given the Raiders college the name “Marshall”, so the only way to reconcile the movie and books/comics was to come up with the explanation that it’s 2 different colleges. To add to the confusion, in Crystal Skull the college is called “Marshall”, although it clearly meant to be the same one as in Raiders, and Last Crusade by proxy. Ignoring all the expanded media, the only explanation that makes sense is that sometime between 1938 and 1957 Barnett College was renamed to Marshall College. It’s such a minor thing but it bugs me for some reason, lol.

[@upstartcritic]

It is SO vague in all the lore (about the colleges). I agree, they pulled some shenanigans in between films. It's a funny little confusing corner of Hollywood in-movie lore. And thanks for the comment! I just saw it 😬 I've been busy working on a Happy Gilmore Hero's Journey video and I have a tendency to be laser focused, so I neglected my comments - but, I do appreciate it!

[@laraidah]

Nice work I’m in

[@upstartcritic]

Welcome, @laraidah!

[@LuckyBastardProd]

I noticed that on opening day. Despite the monetary success of Temple of Doom it was seen as dumb fun so the ‘berg and Lucas basically remain the first. Another thing was that Spielberg wanted to direct Rainman but Lucas said they needed to start Indy 3, so the ‘bergs heart wasn’t really into it. I always thought Last Crusade was lack luster.

[@upstartcritic]

Yeah, I don't how I feel about that, Spielberg maybe doing Rainman. That would have a totally different movie and I like the Barry Levinson version. And who would've done Crusade instead?

[@smelltheglove2038]

I had always thought he taught at Cornell.

[@upstartcritic]

I had no idea where he taught until researching this video. The lore is actually kinda vague. I don't know why the rooms are so similar. Or why Marcus is at both colleges??? There is an explanation, on IndyWiki I believe, but the time-line isn't solid. Thank you!

[@smelltheglove2038]

@@upstartcritic the plane sequence shows him leave New York from what looks like the Ithaca area. To be fair, I might be remembering this from a computer game from the 90s where he searches for Atlantis.

[@upstartcritic]

Haha!

[@Steinninn]

But why did the student put the apple there? I don't think it was improvised.

[@LucasBenderChannel]

I've always adored the Clark Kent-ish insecurity and bumbling nature of Indy in the Raiders scene. It's sad that we never really returned to it, because it made the character so much more interesting! From there on out, he's always the coolest guy in the room, wether he wears the fedora or not. That said, it's also nice that the two scenes show his growth between films.

[@upstartcritic]

Yeah, they definitely took him the more suave route, especially with the Casablanca white jacket in Temple. By the time we got to Crusade he was chasing after and wooing Elsa like he's Pepe le Pew. It would have been great to keep the Clark Kent angle!

[@watching..........6494]

My left shoe looks totally different from my right shoe but they're the same lol

[@upstartcritic]

Same same. But different. But same.

[@mrliberty8468]

If it's two different schools and Marcus works at both?and why does the interior look exactly the same in both classrooms?

[@upstartcritic]

Great question! I wondered that too and, in retrospect, could have provided the information I found in the video. According to several sites online the interior of both scenes were filmed at the Royal Masonic School for Girls in Rickmansworth, near Hertfordshire, in Southern England. And, yeah, apparently Marcus followed Indy around.

[@Filmsource]

I think the weird thing is that Temple of Doom is set 1 year prior to Raiders. We see a much more confident Indy in Temple of Doom than we do in this scene. In fact this version seems more amateur than the Temple of Doom Indy. I'm not sure why they chose to set Temple before Raiders. However Last Crusade is a nice book end to Raiders in many ways.

[@upstartcritic]

He does seem more amateur-ish compared to a year earlier in Temple. It's too bad we don't get a classroom scene in ToD. I read somewhere that they jumped back a year to avoid using N*zis as bad guys again but decided for Crusade to go back to them.

[@pgrand8888]

Did anyone else notice Indys bleeding mouth changes sides during the boat scene ? Not sure why this fella watching it 1000 times didn't make mention of it .

[@upstartcritic]

A couple other sharp-eyed viewers have caught it. I don't know why I didn't mention it either 😬 There's always SOMETHING (or twelve things) that gets lost in the shuffle.

[@pgrand8888]

Was a very nice break down of the scenes though ! Two of my all time favourite films .

[@upstartcritic]

Sweet! Thank you! And thanks for taking the time to watch it

[@brettalexander.studio]

Very cool video 😎 subbed ❤

[@upstartcritic]

Thanks for the compliment and the sub @brettalexander.studio! Working on improving the the audio/video quality...

[@paulwee1924dus]

Jaws Sherif Brody is the son of Marcus Brody.

[@upstartcritic]

@paulwee1924dus Yes! I love it - Sheriff Brody/Marcus Brody! And man, I gotta go back and watch those Dirty Dozen movies again. Thank you for that

[@paulwee1924dus]

Yes check out those details and timelines.@@upstartcritic

[@joeaustin2919]

What about Kingdom of the crystal skull?

[@upstartcritic]

I was trying to focus on the the first three, and I hate to admit I haven't even watched Dial of Destiny yet. I may do a another video eventually with those two as well.

[@Kink_Shaman]

It’s like poetry, sort of. They rhyme.

[@upstartcritic]

Good ol' George Lucas

[@Kink_Shaman]

@@upstartcriticI typed that comment before I saw that you clipped this quote. Classic meme! Thoroughly enjoyed the vid.

[@upstartcritic]

Nice! What do they about great minds thinking alike? Thank you, it's one of my first, so the quality could always be better. I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment 🙏

[@dickiedocker]

Is there any similarities from the classroom scene from The Dial Destiny?

[@upstartcritic]

Must admit I haven't gotten around to watching it yet (and I call myself an Indy fan, shame!). But, it was my intent to focus on just the 1st and 3rd movies anyway. Did you watch DoD? If so...??

[@dickiedocker]

@@upstartcritic I thought it ok but the CGI is terrible I'd give it a 5 out of 10 For me it's one of those films you watch once and that's enough 😔

[@upstartcritic]

Lol, that is, unfortunately, what I'm expecting. Thanks for the mental preparation.

[@dickiedocker]

@@upstartcritic Hopefully you'll like it, any time people tell me a film is horrible i tend to like it because I'm expecting the worst 😃🤞

[@upstartcritic]

Ha! Maybe if I lower my expectations far enough down it'll be a masterpiece!

[@sallybrown4947]

So What. It better than 10 million other movies that have been made.

[@upstartcritic]

There aren't many movies even close to the Indy movies!

[@christopherthornton4001]

Surprised you didn't mention one glaring fact. While Indy is supposed to be teaching at a 'different' college in Last Crusade than the one he taught at in Raiders--both these scenes were filmed in the same classroom--which is a very strange choice.Maybe you could address that...

[@upstartcritic]

😬 That's a great bit of info that slipped by, thank you!

[@christopherthornton4001]

My pleasure--really enjoyed your video... @@upstartcritic

[@Acrocanthosaurus]

There is only one Raiders of the Lost Ark. The sequels don't measure up.

[@upstartcritic]

There's just something extra magical about Raiders. It's darker than Crusade but not as much as Temple. The introduction of the Indiana Jones character...all of it!

[@scottl.1568]

Well, obviously...

[@upstartcritic]

Haha! Duh...

[@rayvenkman2087]

Crusade is an inversion of Raiders. They’re about the same general idea of a hat wearing bloke beating the Nazis to an ancient artifact but the story beats is different between them. Raiders is about a man looking for the artifact before the Nazis could use it for evil and they explain what the Ark is to us. Indiana doesn’t have much influence over what happens in the story because the villains effectively defeats themselves and he indirectly impacts the plot in getting events to happen as they did. The Ark’s the death of everyone who looked into it and gets taken in for safekeeping. Raider is a pretty negative term associated with tomb robbing, thievery and raiding; both Indiana Jones and the villains wanting to find the Ark. Crusade is about a man looking for his father who is looking for the artifact before the Nazis gets to it and the Holy Grail is a well known mythical object. Indiana’s influence over the plot is more direct but he’s more focus on the personal matter with his father, being involved with the chase because Henry Jones Senior has been trying to locate it all his life and the villains are more focused on the object rather than the illumination the Holy Grail represents. The real Holy Grail itself actually heals the Jones while a fake kills Donovan who assumes it’s a golden chalice and it becomes lost again because it wasn’t to leave the resting place past the seal. Crusade is the name of the historical crusades but it is also a term referring to the hunt or pursuit of something besides it’s other definition in relation to the historical crusades; the Jones for the Grail initially before finding illumination while Donovan looks for the Grail with the hope of gaining immortality out of it.

[@upstartcritic]

Awesome breakdown of those themes! These films have so much more going on than a lot of people have considered and it's great to hear from movie lovers like you. The phrase "Raiders of the Lost Ark" just sounded so cool when I was a kid, and it still does have a ring to it, but yeah, I can now recognize the negative connotation and how it contrasts with "The Last Crusade". Thanks for taking the time to share all that!

[@mxmxpr]

Opening day first show audience at the Chinese Theater laughed disapprovingly through the first part of the Last Crusade classroom scene.

[@upstartcritic]

Interesting...I hadn't heard that. Any chance you know 'cause you were there?

[@Jones607]

Was anyone else spooked by the green apple in Raiders, and green cloth in the Crusade? That’s not coincidence, it’s a deliberate message with a hidden meaning. And for the attention of someone they have in mind, knowing they will see the movies and know its meaning. Its intent could be humorous, innocent, or macabre. Whatever the case it’s disturbing, as the greater audience aren’t in on it.

[@upstartcritic]

Nice - I would love to think the green was intentional. Maybe a little nod to the apple in the Garden of Eden?

[@Jones607]

If it’s not broke don’t fix it.

[@Jones607]

@@upstartcritic The Apple🍏=“In the Beginning,…”

[@Jones607]

In the Garden of Eden, the stealing (disobedience) of the apple 🍏 brought about the fall of mankind. In the opening scene of Raiders, Marcus prevents the apple 🍏 from falling to the floor by stealing it from Indie.

[@Jones607]

The apple 🍏 (in Raiders) is a symbol of the fall of mankind. Whereas in the Last Crusade the Redemption (Cross artefact) of mankind is brought out from under a green cloth. I don’t believe this is ‘just a coincidence.’ If it is, then it’s very uncanny.

[@abelarmstrong8054]

Character development

[@davidjordan2336]

Great stuff here, but I also think you're reading too much into it. It's obviously done on purpose, but to me it feels more like it's just a joke rather than subtly conveying information. And I think the joke is that Raiders and Last Crusade are really the same movie, except that the latter has Sean Connery and the father backstory, and this scene is a wink to say, yeah we know that, we lost the plot with Temple of Doom, but now we're safely back home rehashing the original story. The personality differences are interesting, but I think they are mainly due to the filmmakers not having fully worked out the character yet in Raiders. (This also happens frequently early on in TV series). In the Raiders version of the scene, Indy is essentially Clark Kent. I loved this scene way back in that summer of 1981 because it showed that in real life Indy was this nerdy college professor, who just happened to have this secret life as an adventurer. And that was funny, because the two are complete opposites. The scene is played for laughs at Indy's expense. Like he doesn't seem to realize that all of the girls are crushing on him, and seems thrown-off and embarrassed by Love You girl. But they quickly did away with that aspect of the character, and although he remained fallible, after that he was always supremely competent. I would have preferred it had they retained some of the shy/awkward aspects of the persona. P.S. There are four Indiana Jones movies. Really, Crystal Skull isn't that bad. I originally thought it was, but it's grown on me. It's way better than Temple of Doom, and about what Last Crusade would have been had Sean Connery not been in it.

[@upstartcritic]

Yeah, this was meant to be kinda tongue-in-cheek. A sort of announcement of my love for movies. It seems like some of the lore and intentions for the character should be taken with a grain of salt anyway. And yes! He is totally Clark Kent! And that came across so well in the first one. I was just too young to appreciate the character in '81. I can only imagine... And no shade to Crystal Skull (or DoD, which I have yet to watch). I didn't want to bite off more than I could chew on my first long-ish video. Thanks for watch and the comment!