A Real Stumper for the Marriage Permanence Folks | Little Lessons with David Servant

[@amado4249]

Many people teach this to justify their adulterous actions, or the actions of the congregation. Stand strong brothers and sisters. We are to be set apart, and the world will hate us.

[@gregorylatta8159]

Cast the first stone ye who hath not sinned.

[@amado4249]

@@gregorylatta8159 Not sure what you're implying from posting this. Regardless, this passage isn't canon, it was added later. At any rate, the Bible doesn't say, "Never judge". We are to judge a tree by it's fruit, take out the plank in our own eye first, etc.

[@gregorylatta8159]

@@amado4249 So you are the person who determines biblical cannon? Impressive. Christians cannot justify sin but Jesus paid our debt for us.

[@amado4249]

@@gregorylatta8159 No, but there are methods by which we can determine it, through the Holy Spirit, prayer, and the history of canonicity.

[@amado4249]

@@gregorylatta8159 I agree that Jesus paid our debt, brother.

[@EdwardsEvelyn]

I’m not going to hell for anyone-including my kids. I don’t care how people try to justify it. To marry another while first spouse is still alive is the SIN OF ADULTERY.

[@dh605x]

Really? Then I have these questions for you: (1) Was adultery lawful under the Mosaic Law? (Don't say "we are not under the Mosaic Law" - I never said we were.) (2) If not, how do you explain Deuteronomy 24:1-2? (How could she have become the wife of another man without both of them getting stoned?) (3) Did Jesus abolish divorce even for serious causes (domestic violence, financial recklessness, drug use, refusing sex, attempted murder, etc?) (4) If so, when did Heaven and Earth disappear? (Matthew 5:17-18, Luke 16:17) (5) If Heaven and Earth have disappeared, why didn't I get the memo?

[@BennettJonWayne-xw9vi]

You are fearful and unbelieving, of the scriptures. If you are fearful of hell, which we all should be, you should be afraid also of false teachings, and becoming a false teacher. The scriptures that teach against divorce and remarriage also give an exception for divorce and remarriage because of immorality, both in betrothal and in marriage, because Jesus does not condone or permit immorality in marriage. You also advocate uncleanness in marriage, if a defiled wife commits adultery and you tell the innocent husband to "just live with it." She can even mock her husband every night, and tell him that she loves her adulterous lover's manhood erections more than her husband's (even reminding him of that daily), but the man just has to live with that every day? And be a shame to his family and to his entire church congregation, and be the focus of gossip and uncleanness? Not so. Jesus to the rescue !!!!

[@BennettJonWayne-xw9vi]

Just pattern your life after the Bible. Obey Matthew 19:9 and Matthew 5:32, two clear concise Bible verses, and do what they say, and say what they do say, instead of something else.

[@BennettJonWayne-xw9vi]

@@dh605xThe "marriage permanence" folks want to make "cuckolds" out of men. A cuckold is the husband of an adulterous wife; the wife of an adulterous husband is a cuckquean. In biology, a cuckold is a male who unwittingly invests parental effort in juveniles who are not genetically his offspring.

[@dh605x]

The clear guidance in Scripture, taken as a whole, is that you don't dump a faithful spouse just so you can run off with someone else. It was the abuse of divorce and remarriage that Jesus spoke against in Matthew 5 and 19, not these things per se.

[@Tatiana-cp1fc]

She does not have to reconcile with her first husband. She can remain single and raise her children in the Lord.

[@mustardseedist]

They always use that false argument that we always will reconcile. You can't force someone to reconcile with you. Nontheless, your still bound till death to a covenant spouse. 1 Cor. 7:39, Romans 7:1-3

[@nealdoster8556]

@@mustardseedist 1 Cor. 7:39 The wife is bound by law to her husband as long as he liveth Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by law to her husband as long as he liveth Notice the context is speaking about a “woman which hath an husband” or a “wife” in these text. This is essential for understanding the context because it is specifically speaking about her responsibility as a woman who IS MARRIED. Secondly, remember the principle in these verses are age old. They go back to the very beginning of time. In other words Paul is NOT speaking of some new “law” that keeps marriage from ending as some suppose. There are two ways to comprehend these verses, with and without the phrase “by the law.” Think with me the subtle difference this makes to the imagination. Here is the first part of 1 Cor. 7:39 with and without that phrase. Option 1. The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth. Option 2. The wife is bound as long as her husband liveth. Those who think a marriage can't end understand that statement as option two is stated. Therefore (for them) marriage produces a bondage that nothing but death can end. Conversely, option 1 (which is how it actually reads) qualifies the bondage by using the expression “by law”. Marriage would not possess any lifetime obligation without “this law”. Therefore the phrase “by the law” qualifies the bondage and is rightly included in verse 39. Therefore we can establish that option 2 is a wrong rendering, a wrong way to interpret the passage. Paul is saying marriage produces a lifetime obligation because there are inherent principles in marriage. Only the husband and wife can fulfill “the law”, the law cannot fulfill itself for them, understand? Paul is not addressing divorce in 1 Cor. 7:39 and is not saying that only (physical) death ends the marriage. Context is essential here. Paul has a change of address in verse 25, “Now concerning virgins” and he ends in verse 39 stating the general principle God ordained for marriage. Marriage sets forth a lifetime obligation. “Bound” is in reference to the obligation set forth “by the law.” “bound” speaks to the status of a MARRIED WOMAN who is under the dominion of her husband until he dies. This section of scripture reminds those who are considering marriage, particularly a virgin, the lifetime obligation she will be under IF MARRIED. In context Paul wants the virgin to consider the freedom singleness offers her. 1 Cor. 7:39 sets forth for the virgin the obligation she would be under if she becomes a MARRIED WOMAN, it does not address the contingency of divorce. In other words there is nothing in that text that says an unmarried woman is bound to her former husband as long as he lives. That is a false supposition imposed on that verse as well as Romans 7:2. Marriage imposes this law, the law imposes the bondage, but the law nor the bondage can keep a marriage from ending. What you must understand about this law is that it’s an inherent principle in marriage, it is not inviolable. As a matter of fact when men divorced their wives throughout biblical history they were the one’s responsible for her not fulfilling the obligation set forth by this law. Divorce rendered her UNMARRIED and remarriage rendered her under the same law and obligation to her present husband.

[@jesusislord3604]

That is unforgiving. And putting asunder! If reconciliation is possible it must be done! 70 x 7 You can’t just go be “single” for life once you are one flesh! The hubby remains the head of the wife! That doctrine is misinterpreted just like most misinterpret the exception clause and not being in bondage if an unbeliever leaves

[@nunyabusiness5275]

Amen

[@nunyabusiness5275]

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[@barefootdgypsy3233]

Marriage is honorable among all. Yes she is a covenant and she needs not live in adultery but not go back remain unmarried

[@dw6505]

This man, like most modern Christianity, is ruled by worldly psychology and subjective situational ethics. Stumper? No, it's stated very clear. Marriage is for life. Remarriage while first spouses live is ongoing adultery. The options are also clearly stated. Remain single or be reconciled. Just because Christianity is drowning in adultery, doesn't change the truth or make sin, not sin. Just because repentance is difficult doesn't mean it isn't required. And it doesn'tmean we can play word semantics and pervert the full meaning of repentance into just a mental worldly sorrow. It's pure humanism and worldly wisdom. Another gospel. If a relationship we call a "marriage", is adultery to God, then "divorcing" from that adultery would be repentance to God. Tell me, should two men in a same sex "marriage", with four adopted kids, divorce/repent from that sinful lifestyle? Be consistent now. Yes they should. "Divorce" is only a paper for the state government. It has nothing to do with God's truth. Same with a state marriage certificate. Just because you file a status with the state, does not mean God recognizes it as the same thing. Though man or the state calls it a legitimate marriage, God does not see it as such. Repentance involves forsaking, ending the sinful practice. No matter what we call it, or how much we love it, or how costly it is.

[@dw6505]

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[@nealdoster8556]

Grace to you Dave You write in regard to remarriage. "Though man or the state calls it a legitimate marriage, God does not see it as such." Please provide the text where any Author of scripture makes the argument that "God does not see it as such". I do not find in God's Word where remarriage after divorce is not legitimate. This is where you change God's Word by presuming upon it. It is you who is preaching another gospel by adding the false supposition of "divorce to repent". It is you who is relying on humanism and worldly wisdom by adding your own beliefs to God's Word!!!! When Jesus said "divorce" and "marries another" He actually meant divorce and marries another, understand? Your view is built on the premises that Jesus didn't mean divorce when he said divorce and that He didn't literally mean "marries another" when He said marries another. You pick and choose what you take literal about Jesus' teaching. You must believe Jesus literally meant divorce and marries another in order to interpret Him properly, understand? This would mean that the first marriage ended and a second marriage constituted. After the fact of divorce and remarriage there is NO divorcing the present spouse "for repentance sake" in God's Word. To get to that conclusion you must rely on worldly wisdom and humanistic thinking. In God's Word divorce and remarriage are real and effective events so it is you who is inverting Jesus' teaching by claiming "God does not see it as such". By inverting Jesus' teaching you missed His whole point. Worse, you are part of a group of people destroying families and marriages. Try literally believing everything Jesus said about this issue and NOT just the part about adultery.

[@moguedavid3670]

Paul commands no one to go back to the unsaved ir Muslim marriage of the unbeliever doesnt want them. But he doesnt say you are free to remarry. He says later "a woman is bound to her husband for as long as he lives and if goes to be with another she commits adultery.

[@cryptojihadi265]

He flat out says they are no longer bound. So quit lying.

[@johnruiz3059]

If a person is sold against their will into a so called marriage, it is not a marriage.... it is rape/human trafficking/slavery. If a person willingly made a covenant with another person regardless of their salvation status, they must honor the terms of that covenant.

[@nachis3]

If I was that exmuslim woman I wouldn’t even consider marrying anyone else. She obviously married her 1 ,2, 3, 4 husband in ignorance. So what if they were Muslims. I was a catholic before I got born again but I was in the same boat as the Muslim exes lost sinners in need of a Savior. The Bible does not make any exceptions. This is not that complicated. Either you believe what God says in His Word or you don’t. That flesh is a big old baby saying I need to remarry to be happy. It needs to shut up and realize that Jesus is enough. Sorry but I am not stumped at all. I would remain single.

[@timsadventures1954]

Staying single is definitely a choice and may you be blessed in your choice. If you are speaking about the woman at the well she was Samaritan.

[@nachis3]

@@timsadventures1954 Samaritan or whatever we are if we’re outside Gods will we are lost. And as far as it being my choice to be single you’re so right, it’s my choice so I choose to obey Gods Word above all else.

[@timsadventures1954]

@@nachis3 You sound very angry in your choices. The context surrounding the woman at the well is important as she is the first person Jesus revealed himself to. Jesus recognized she had been married 5 times. Mosiac law only a man could divorce the woman. The questions surrounding this are, was she widowed 5 times, or had she been rejected by men 5 times? The scriptures didn't state which but one would have thought Jesus would have said she was widowed 5 times. Accurately reading scriptures is important before making statements surrounding them. I'm not here to change your mind only to let you see what others such as David have without prejudices or anger. What is most important to remember is doctrine is to follow scripture not scripture follow doctrine. Divorce to repent is a doctrine found nowhere in the scriptures and I refer you to the previous sentence. Blessings

[@Tatiana-cp1fc]

Amen. This was not a stump to anyone who loves and obeys God. Christians like him make a mockery out of marriage.

[@JayReacio]

The main dilema you have is that you seem to think God is a pragmatist of some sort. That’s why you pose scenarios where the answer seems unpractical. Here’s a clue for you, GOD IS NOT A PRAGMATIST, nor is He a consequentialist. He demands obedience to His ideals, not your practical solution to the consequences. If God tells you not to touch the Ark, you don’t touch the Ark, even if it’s gonna fall. If God tells you to face off against a Giant, you buck up and do it. If God tells you to tie yourself and go lay down next to a pile of cow dung, or go around bare naked for years on end, you do it. If God tells you not to remarry….. you don’t remarry.

[@brianhemmert9394]

Jayreacio, great reply!

[@lauraabell9668]

This is a great point! Living a celibate life is hardly the strangest or most difficult thing God has called someone to do throughout history. And yet, Christians act like that is an unimaginable sacrifice and cruel and unusual punishment.

[@gregorylatta8159]

Did God tell you to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior?

[@gregorylatta8159]

@@lauraabell9668 No sex out of wedlock is forgivable but remarriage is not.

[@lauraabell9668]

@@gregorylatta8159 any sin that a person forsakes can be forgiven, with the exception of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. But yes, I believe remarriage and sex outside marriage are both against what God wills

[@nunyabusiness5275]

Where's the stumper? are you going to tell a homosexual who became saved that he can stay in his homosexual Union because he got into it before he got saved? So how is remarriage as a Christian any different?

[@jesusislord3604]

Unfortunately they love to say that homosexuality was wrong in the Old and New Testament and then say that proves that divorce is in the same context They go by the pronouns though we know to make it gender neutral now in the New Testament even though it is still Written to favor men and let some of them remarry

[@seiliwennam]

Um, really? Yes Luke 16:18 does show a distinct gender difference! It says whosoever marries HER that is divorced! Where is the verse saying whosoever marries HUM that is divorced? It doesn’t exist Luke 16:18 “Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.” King James Version (KJV)

[@nunyabusiness5275]

@@seiliwennam this proves marriage is between a man and a woman. What's your point?

[@seiliwennam]

Yes it’s between a man and woman however the laws have always been different for the genders and Luke 16:18 shows that too when it says it is adultery to marry a divorced woman but does not say it is adultery to marry a divorced man

[@nunyabusiness5275]

@@seiliwennam that's because women couldn't divorce their husbands. So the woman was always divorced from the man. Not my fault you don't understand English

[@sharonhenry5479]

Jesus is recorded 8 times telling us that a remarriage is ADULTERY. 17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. 18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

[@seiliwennam]

Go by the pronouns then. It’s not about everyone

[@maunder01]

Puts away! Where is the divorce certificate??

[@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295]

Amen Sharon.

[@dh605x]

I see you cited Luke 16:17-18. If any and all remarriage after divorce is adultery, then by your logic, either adultery was lawful under the Mosaic Law, or Heaven and Earth have passed away due to the failure of Deuteronomy 24:2. How do you explain this absurdity?

[@sharonhenry5479]

@@dh605x The answer is in the cause of the first divorce, erwat d'var. ERWAT occurs 54 times and 31 times it refers to incest, which is why the husband divorced her and why he could not take her back. It was an unlawful 'marriage' and so had to be ended.

[@johnruiz3059]

You Sir, are terribly wrong. Their adulterous remarriage is as valid as a homosexual "marriage". First I have studied this subject out with much prayer. Second, The Scripture teaches that one can separate. This is known as the law of separation found in: 1 Corinthians 7:15 KJV But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. Here is where most get the idea that they are free to remarry but all it says is >[IF]< they leave let them because God doesn't want you arguing or fighting. Third, If you do get a divorce you are to remain unmarried or be reconciled to your spouse because only death breaks the covenant of marriage. This is evident because an adulterer would have been stoned to death if found out. 1 Corinthians 7:10‭-‬11 KJV And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. 1 Corinthians 7:39 KJV The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. Romans 7:2‭-‬3 KJV For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Fourth, Jesus said Mark 10:11‭-‬12 KJV And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. Luke 16:18 KJV Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. Fifth, When Paul says 1 Corinthians 7:8‭-‬9 KJV I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. The unmarried are not the divorced. They are people who have never had a spouse or ones that no longer have a living spouse because only death breaks the covenant. This is the reason widows are also spoken of. Sixth, The Apostles had trouble with this doctrine and after Jesus told the Pharisees what God's original purpose was, they asked him in private. Read Mark 10:10-12 after Mark 10:2-9 Mark 10:2‭-‬9 KJV And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Mark 10:10‭-‬12 KJV And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. As you can plainly see, Jesus clarified God's standard of marriage. We do well to remember that God created marriage in the Garden of Eden and at that time man did not die. Meaning that marriage was lifelong/forever. And yes in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9 it states the "Fornication clause", but this was referring to the Jewish custom of the 1 year betrothal period. Jewish tradition treated that time as a contracted marriage, and you would have to get a bill of divorce if you found your spouse to of had sex before marriage see . Deuteronomy 22:13‭-‬21 I.e. Your fiancee cheats on you before the "I do" and you find out you can call off the wedding/marriage. Joseph, Mary's fiancee was going to do this until God stopped him. Matthew 1:18‭-‬20 KJV Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was >>>[espoused]>[before they came together][husband][put her away privily]

[@jesusislord3604]

My story for those who haven’t heard yet: I think many know part of mine. I was raised in a fake Christian home but didn’t know it at the time. My parents are remarriage adulterers and have been all my life. I am an uncovenant child. My father has a living first wife but she had left him at a young age and then he got saved later and “married “ my mom. Saying that the equal yoke makes the marriage since his first unsaved wife departed even before he believed, he likes to assume the bondage to her as his covenant spouse is broken. He’s been a deacon in the church all my life. My parents act all holy but now I know the truth. I at first thought like them so as you know I “married” a woman who like my dad had a first hubby who left her, never had kids and she was unsaved then. So we “married” and had 5 uncovenant kids. One day a lovely new secretary came to the church and caught my eye. I felt guilty until I realized my “wife” was not my own! Blessed indeed to be freed from that awful union and now in covenant marriage with the secretary Tally! Though the churches and my parents side with my fake ex and support her stand for my return since they all believe professing Christians need to keep their “marriages” even if they had a living spouse before they were saved that left them! They like to claim this is how the Bible is and how God makes covenants and that he only allows a believer with an unbeliever in yoke one flesh as long as the unsaved stays in the marriage. Trying to get them all to see the true nature of covenant marriage, that God joins ALL first time or widowed marriages of a born man and woman, happily and until death! The bond, the binds, the bondage stays for life even if both are satanists! Or one is a saint and one is a satanist! There is never any sin in covenant marriage. It is never to be repented of. #remarriage #divorce #remarriageadultery #remarriageisadultery facebook.com/tally.wran.9

[@kenw772]

Completely wrong about the Muslim women going back to her first Muslim husband. His ignorance of scripture is shocking. He doesn’t know the Greek.

[@carolsanborn5332]

John Ruiz, yours is the best explanation I have read thus far. It is certainly a very complicated issue for most, due to being not very well versed in the Bible +/or not knowledgeable in the will of God ,or on the customs of the day, such as things, like the fact that an adulterous spouce would have been put to death for the very serious crime of adultery, (thus remarriage would not be an issue for the betrayed spouce as relating to adultery upon remarriage). Today, not enough people care if a heart has been irrepairably broken by their adulterous spouce. It seems more people are either in some stage of adultery themselves, or have a loved someone who is involved in it that they know in their lives that they love more than they love Jesus, so their loyalty is not to obey Christ first. Being one of the emotionally mortally wounded, I can tell you that I feel the sting of death of my heart daily. I can testify to the fact that the betrayal feels like a murder, robbing me of the life I was solemnly promised, free of the mortal health risks that were one of the important reasons I chose to give my virgin body to only one person for life (to avoid sexually transmitted disease, as well as emotional heart trauma from being cruelly abandoned for another. It doesn't concern me what people choose to do afterward, if they are the cheaters or the cheated once the sin has been committed , because I have no ability to have an interest in pursuing ANY FORM of sexuality, after being so permanently scarred by my husband's betrayal after 43yrs of what I relied upon his marrital vow as being as rock solid as my vow is. My present lifelong + future trust factor is zero, + minus -100%. So there is no chance at all for me to try to believe in the love between myself+ anyone to be worth risking the possibility that I could be hurt even more by so called love. Just the fleeting reminder of anything of a sexual nature fills my core being with intense agony, so I have no relief from the torturous pain of betrayal ,except frequent shedding of many tears. Regardless, I am too wary of the future harm to my health (both emotional+physical),to even fathom letting sexuality be in any part of my life. It is a sorrowful part of the loss I feel as a human being. But I try to focus on the fact that I trust that my eternity will be worth the suffering that I'm experiencing in this life. As I said, I think your explanation is the most scriptural accurate that I can tell,+scripture , when discerned by the Holy Ghost, is as true as truth gets. Thank you for offering what you have found from your obvious study. It is best, IMHO , not to let our personal emotional feelings dictate our beliefs , as I suspect Dave has done here. Dave is a sweet man, but he seems to love being lienient with people a little more than he loves obeying God. It's not enjoyable to tell the truth when the truth is hard for those we tell it to, to swallow. But truth is sort of like some health care ; painful to submit to, but sometimes quite necessary in order to save our lives. If we had gangrene +were told we would die if we didn't allow the whole part infected to be amputated, I hope we would all submit to having it done, regardless of what we would be missing+have to give up. Some people just don't seem to be willing to submit to the will of God, tho. They refuse to believe that God has His reasons (that they may not be aware of) for not allowing some folks to be or stay married. We must conclude then, that God knows best, + it's just our job to trust Him that He knows what He's doing with alliwing the events that He allows in our lives. Let's just rely on Him with all that is within us, + leave the promise keeping up to Him... ❤🧡💛💚💙💜🌈

[@seiliwennam]

Jesus’ words were gender specific. Not all are mentioned as in adultery. This is also seen by Paul who says he speaks by permission except in the one spot where he gives a command from the Lord and it has different commands to the woman then the man. The woman is to remain unmarried or reconcile and the man is just not to divorce. Very different things. Also there are not covenants with unbelievers. When one in an unbelieving marriage comes to Christ THEN they are sanctified it then stay. And then the children are holy. Shows it was not so before one of them got saved

[@kymmieco7359]

It makes me wonder if this guy is remarried? What Bible do you read? The fact the you are worried about what other people think versus what the Bible says makes me question why you are telling people it is okay to continue in a adultery. Peoples lives are at stake, Jesus is coming back he he specifically said in Corinthians 6:9-10!!!! I’m searching for truth, I’m in this situation and I certainly don’t want to be given false hope. I’ve been praying, crying, researching this very topic!! I’ve been meditating, reading Bible scripture after Bible scripture, and watched many post such as this one and only find a couple I truly question. I don’t mean to sound disrespectful, but our lives are at stake!!! All I want is what Jesus, said this is truly a touchy subject, but divorce, and remarriage is running rampant even in the Church which is suppose to be different from the world!

[@Tatiana-cp1fc]

Amen! Would you be interested in joining a fb group that discusses this topic? We believe in marriage permanence. This man teaches false doctrine.

[@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295]

@@Tatiana-cp1fc Hey Tatiana. Good to see you standing for Truth still. Praying for you Sister keep standing for God's Truth on this issue 🙏

[@1980shameka]

Exactly! This man is not speaking the truth according to the Word of God. No one needs to ask or tell anyone else anything (children involved) about what the Word of God says. His word is just that and it needs no validation. This man is either remarried, has married others that have already been married previously, and/or has friends and family who are remarried. Listen to the Word, Ya’ll not others. The cross is supposed to be heavy..I know for me it is..

[@lizzyumoh]

I think it comes down to what you put first, the Bible or your circumstances. As hard as the circumstances may be, God is bigger than them. I think in this situation, the woman could separate with a divorce so her rights are protected and then remain single.

[@Tatiana-cp1fc]

Not a stumper at all Sir! Read Ezra 9-10. A Lukewarm Christian, a Muslim, a Hindu, and an Atheist all fall under the same category "UNBELIEVERS". It makes no difference what religion they came from. God recognized their marriages. Your argument is that God would NEVER expect a person to depart from an unlawful marriage because there is children. There IS scripture to the contrary. God expects His people to obey. When they enter into relationships HE calls sin, they need to repent. God speaks to believer/unbeliever marriages in the NT and that they are binding. However, He also speaks to marriages in which the parties are NOT free to be joined to others--He says such are committing adultery. You have been stating that to divorce itself is sinful. Scripture does not support your belief in this as evidenced by Ezra 9-10. Putting away adulterous partners and putting away other forbidden marriage partners (as in Ezra 9-10) is only due to the sin that occurred BEFORE the putting away. The putting away is not the sin, it that people got themselves involved in forbidden relationships to begin with.

[@jesusislord3604]

That was the only time God broke up some covenant marriages

[@seiliwennam]

Shows that God doesn’t make covenants with unbelievers

[@brothergrimaldus3836]

Did John the Baptist refute every divorce and remarriage argument in history? Mark 6:17-20 For Herod himself had sent forth and laid hold upon John, and bound him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife: for he had married her. For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife. Therefore Herodias had a quarrel against him, and would have killed him; but she could not: For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly. 1. Legal divorce argument: Herodias was legally divorced from Philip. If a legal divorce dissolved a marriage, then it why wasn’t it lawful? 2. Adultery argument: This argument has many facets. One is that divorce gives the right to divorce. Another is that the first act of marital relations in a remarriage is a “singular act” of adultery but from then on adultery dissolved the previous marriage and God now recognizes the new marriage as holy. However, Herod andww Herodias were living together as husband and wife and had been for some time. If adultery dissolved the marriage, why wasn’t it lawful for Herod to be married to her and why does John still refer to her as his brother’s wife? 3. Abandonment argument: Herodias clearly had abandoned Philip and had even taken her daughter with her. Clearly if abandonment was grounds for divorce and remarriage, then Philip was free to remarry and if the marriage was dissolved, she would have been free also. And still John says Herod’s marriage was not lawful and refers to her as his brother’s wife. 4. God doesn’t recognize/join unbelievers in marriage argument: By their fruit ye shall know them. Neither Herod, nor Herodias showed any fruit of righteousness. Herod enjoyed listening to John but his actions clearly show that he was unrepentant. For Herod’s marriage to be unlawful, God clearly must have recognized Philip and Herodias’ marriage. The status of their soul’s salvation was irrelevant. Even in this divorced a remarried state, Herodias was still Philip’s wife. 5. The cross of Christ wipes the slate clean and gives a fresh start argument: This argument also has many facets. At its most basic application, all previous marriages/divorces are forgiven and no longer binding. The divorced new Christian is told that he is now free to find a new Christian woman to marry or that is current marriage is now sanctified. I’ve even heard this combined with 1Co 7:24 to say you not only can but should stay in the marital state you were in at salvation. There many problems that arise from this argument, but does John’s statement apply here? John came preaching repentance. When the Pharisees came to him, he wouldn’t baptize them until they had shown fruit of repentance. He didn’t tell them to simply repent and God would sanctify their sinful state and they could continue with the status quo and be ok. Similarly, while in prison, John and Herod apparently talked often. When Jesus came to be baptized, John introduced him as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29). Being the forerunner of Jesus, and filled with the Holy Spirit, if Jesus’ work on the cross would invalidate unbeliever’s marriages and sanctify current or future unions, he could easily have informed Herod of this hope. Instead we read that he stayed locked up making Herodias more and more angry with his stubborn refusal to budge on the permanence of marriage. 6. Incest argument: This argument, if true, would theoretically invalidate every point I’ve made thus far. Simply stated, John was not condemning Herod’s remarriage because of divorce or adultery but because of incest. It is difficult to say from history because the birth a female was not always as well documented as that of a male. But historians believe that Herodias was also Herod’s half niece. She may have been the granddaughter of his father Herod the great by a different wife. Any accusation of this being incest and the reason for the condemnation doesn’t hold water. She was also the half niece of his brother Philip but John still said she was Philip’s wife. The next part of this accusation is that Leviticus 18:16 forbade having relations with your brother’s wife. However, this clearly only condemned such an act while the brother was still legally married to her. Deuteronomy 25:5-10 commanded marriage to a brother’s wife in the event he died without children. And if he refused, the brother’s widow could publicly spit in his face. If divorce or adultery dissolves a marriage in the same way that death does, there would have been nothing unlawful about Herod’s marriage to Herodias.

[@jesusislord3604]

Amen and we must teach wolves to ignore some parts because they just focus on the words of John telling herod not to be with his brothers wife which was from the law. But we know Moses is done now.

[@seiliwennam]

John didn’t address divorce and remarriage. He said Herod was not to have his brothers wife. That was the Mosiac law. It was unclean to have your living brothers wife. Not one word was said about divorce

[@maunder01]

@@seiliwennam you speak the truth

[@brianhemmert9394]

Great explanation and proper interpretation of scripture. Most in western Christianity will not except sacred scripture as it is clearly written when it comes to MDR. As in the days of Noah.

[@maunder01]

@@brianhemmert9394 is your reply to Amaranth

[@barefootdgypsy3233]

Don’t go back. Remain unmarried

[@nealdoster8556]

Fundamental to Pastors who thinks marriages are not ended by divorce is their use of the eisegesis hermeneutic - the interpretation of a text (as of the Bible) by reading into it one's own ideas. Introducing theoretical ideas and getting others to believe them is fundamental to maintaining that view. Realizing "Permanence" suppositions to be false is fundamental to coming to truth on this issue. I believe you can find differences in the teachings of Permanence Pastors (from one to the other) but fundamental to their positions is the belief that “divorce” and “marries another” (as spoken by Jesus) is NOT to be understood literally. Most Permanence Pastors maintain that Jesus did away with divorce somehow. A long time ago, I don’t remember the year right off, I read Stephen Wilcox article entitled “Restoration of Christian Marriage”. I subsequently E-mailed Stephen in hopes of dialoguing with him about his belief that Jesus “abrogated” the Old Testament divorce concession. He let me know right off his position wasn’t up for debate and he had no interest in discussing the issue. The thing that stood out to me was Stephen wasn’t limiting his beliefs to scripture or to that which could be proved. He interjected liberal suppositions into Jesus’ teaching on the matter. Thus creating a different narrative then that of the Lord Himself. That is NO small matter!! These suppositions allowed Stephen to recast Jesus’ teaching on divorce to make a more stringent argument than Jesus Himself made. Identifying Stephen’s suppositions as subversive to the text lead to a greater understanding of the passages historic interpretation as it was originally understood by those to whom Christ was speaking. God used Stephen’s suppositions as a means for me to understand Jesus’ teaching more literally and what it would look like if “divorce” and “marries another” (as spoken by Jesus) wasn’t mentally inverted. This was needful for me because I too was following the belief that something of the husband and wife relationship was surviving divorce, a common mistake for interpreting Jesus. Why? Why not believe that this adultery was following the termination of the relationship (as a literal interpretation would concluded)? Well it seemed to me that everybody was having a hard time believing that adultery could ensue unless something of the marriage relationship survived divorce. For me it wasn’t the marriage or the one-flesh union, maybe it was related to the covenant (was my thinking). Many years later I realized that Jesus WASN’T saying that the marriage survived divorce, He WAS specifically revealing what transpired by the marriage NOT surviving. That was a radical thought and a completely different way to understand Jesus. It allowed me to interpret everything Jesus said literally (without the need to invert His words). NO more need to think of the relationship as surviving divorce. Once I got it into my head that there was NOTHING in Jesus teaching claiming the relationship survived, the whole passage became simple and basic. It’s historic application to Israel becomes evident and the house of cards built upon “abrogation” and the theory of “indissoluble marriage” (a couple of Stephen’s suppositional beliefs) crumble. In God’s Word "divorce" and "marries another" (as spoken by Jesus) are real, actual events that change marital status from one spouse to another, just like it did from the history to which Jesus refers. After these facts individuals were obligated to their present spouse and not their former. These realities are inverted through Permanence interpretation, understand? Their theories about the husband wife relationship surviving divorce are the very reason there is so much confusion for this issue. While Christians should come together to maintain marriages, they should NEVER deceive fellow believers who are remarried into thinking they are "still married to their first spouse in God’s eyes", understand? Permanence advocates has to come to terms with their false suppositions over against the simple truth Jesus revealed to His covenant people about divorce. Jesus was simple saying that if you end a marriage before death it will cause those divorced to commit adultery against their former spouse when they remarry (Mark 10:11). Once Christians accept the TRUTH that Jesus revealed to Israel what transpired by them NOT maintaining their marriages, they will NO longer need to perpetuate the theory that He was claiming that the first marriage survives divorce, understand? Jesus WASN’T saying marriages survive divorce (a theory causing much confusion), BUT conversely what transpires when a marriage DOESN'T survive. Christians will be well on their way to understanding the historic CONTEXT of Jesus’ teaching. Conversely discarding the fact that Jesus revealed what occurs from an actual divorce and subsequent marriage under the law, Permanence chooses to claim that the first marriage continues until death, the total opposite of what Jesus actually meant when He spoke of divorce. Hope this helps everyone understand the difference between Permanence teaching over against that of the Lord. Blessings

[@dh605x]

I've heard many people claim that Jesus' use of the word "adultery" implied that the marital relationship continued to exist after the divorce. If that were so, how do they explain Matthew 5:28? Jesus used the same word to describe the actions of a man who looks upon a woman with lust. Do either the man or the woman need to be married to anyone for this offense to occur?

[@1Sackettgirl]

Dear Neal do you have a website where you explain yourself more?? Or youtube videos?? or and email address??

[@nealdoster8556]

@@1Sackettgirl Grace to you I don't have a website but a guy who does featured my position in several of his videos. The site is called "standing strong for marriages". Look for the video "Understanding the arguments against Marriage Permanence and DTR" (divorce to repent) 2 years ago. Also the video, " Neal Doster Response to Bibles and Burpees recommendation" 4 years ago. Also the video, "Q & A from the comments (Which are great)" 1 years ago. This video states underneath "Discussing Divorce To Repent with Tim". Tim is in a marriage where there was a previous divorce and has found my position very helpful. He has a lot of comments on that video because it is based on his view. Lastly, if you have any specific questions for me please ask (here or there). Blessings

[@1Sackettgirl]

@@nealdoster8556 Thank you Neal. I read all your comments that SSFM compiled, and will be going through the ones under the videos you recommended. You have blown some big holes into the position I thought was the most clear, solid and safest. Giving me ALOT of questions. I am willing to sacrifice all for Christ, also I dont want to be an over-bearing extraloading self-righteous Pharisee who thinks adding to the Word of God is a commendable thing to do so as to stay in the “safe zone”, I believe the “fear of the Lord” is a colloquialism for respect and faith in God, faith that He kills, faith that He saves. I will keep reading and thinking about it all. I am legally separated by almost 10 years to an unrepentant adulterous nonChristian( once made a short term profession of faith and was baptised, but for many years now says the Bible contradicts itself, wants nothing to do with God, aligns with extreme left-wing ideologies and lifestyle/s, friends with sodom etc.) spouse, we have 3 children which I have custody of and whom he has chosen to have virtually nothing to do with of his own free will. Some of the things which you have shared which have hit me the hardest are: #1. Christ was not requiring DTR for all remarriages coming to Him initially at the time He was here as flesh, if not then why now? #2. If divorce had already been abolished by Christ 30 years or so earlier why was Paul still talking about it as even a possibility in ANY case? #3. A thought I had: If it is impossible for man to “put asunder” a marriage why then did Christ say “what God has joined together LET no man put asunder” Matt. 19:6, Mark 10:9 ? Seems God may not need to warn us not to break something that is unbreakable.

[@nealdoster8556]

@@1Sackettgirl Those are great thoughts. My objective is to say that forcing individuals into a life of singleness WASN'T Gods response to divorce. Christians have options that include the fact that reconciliation in some cases is not advisable. I appreciate your heart in this matter and pray that you have peace to make the right choice for you. Continue with your love and devotion to the Lord and may He give you the desires of your heart.

[@BennettJonWayne-xw9vi]

David Servant, you are awesome !!! We need more people that understand that marriage is a holy covenant, and that is why Jesus gave us the great exceptions listed in Matthew, which are as much a part of the Word of God as any other part of the Bible, so that the covenant will remain holy. There is nothing holy about adultery in marriage. Everyone agrees that marriage is designed to be a life long covenant, but there are exceptions given by Jesus to guard against immorality, betrayal, infidelity, uncleanness, and abomination in marriage. Only Jesus has the right to make an exception to the rule, and the Lord did so twice.

[@servantsmith9780]

The BELIEVEING spouse may save the unbelieving spouse..

[@maunder01]

Unless they choose to leave

[@Matt-jz6ek]

Amen, God cab work miracles

[@darthjedi99]

It is a simple answer , Jesus said your in adultery. What if your first muslim husband gets saved? 1 Cor 7:10-11 says to remain single or get back with your spouse. So if getting back with your first husband is not possible stay single. You are in adultery right now Jesus says Mark 10:10-11, Luke 16:18, Matt 5:32, 19:9 and Romans 7:2-3. Jesus is the authority not you.

[@sharonhenry5479]

A covenant marriage is not forced on one. It must be consensual. And BTW if a Muslim wife if saved, the husband can also be saved. You have no discernment. The spouse of a believer is set apart for God's work. 1 Cor. 7:10-16. And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. 12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

[@nealdoster8556]

A Hebrew father often arranged the marriage of his daughter and it was NOT always "consensual" to her as Sharon Henry claims. Secondly, verse 12 has a change of address "But to the rest" revealing another circumstance other than the one Paul just spoke to. Under this circumstance Paul concludes a believer "is not under bondage in such cases" Conversely in verse 11 they were. Paul obviously did not instruct them the same. Thirdly, verse 16 ask a hypothetical question a believer cannot answer. No believer knows if their unbelieving spouse will be saved. Lastly, there is NO "divorce to repent" instruction anywhere in scripture in regard to remarriage. That false supposition is derived from other false suppositions within Sharon Henry's teaching. Being faithful to whom one is presently married is the present obligation of those remarried. Sharon Henry's teaching goes far beyond Moses, Jesus or Paul. Be aware of how she changes the Word of God to make it sound like one is still married to their former spouse. No one in God's Word taught that.

[@seiliwennam]

It shows the marriage was not sanctified before one of them became a believer. Even the children were not holy.

[@sharonhenry5479]

@@nealdoster8556 God supernaturally joins two into one, never to be two again.The one you may be presently married to is the one that Jesus refers to in Luke 16:18, "18Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery." The parents of Rebekah asked her for her consent: Genesis 24:57 And they said, We will call the damsel, and enquire at her mouth. 58 And they called Rebekah, and said unto her, Wilt thou go with this man? And she said, I will go. 59 And they sent away Rebekah their sister, and her nurse, and Abraham's servant, and his men. 60 And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them.

[@nealdoster8556]

@@sharonhenry5479 Please explain to any readership what Jesus meant (according to your interpretation) when He said "marries another? Did He literally mean that (according to your interpretation)? Also please explain what Jesus literally meant when He said "putteth away his wife" (divorce)? It would serve others well to know how many theories your position creates by inverting Jesus' words and thus creating a new narrative for His Teaching on divorce. Lastly, Jesus would not have admonished His covenant people Israel to stop putting asunder the one flesh union in Matthew 19:6 if it was impossible to do so (as you claim). You need to start believing everything Jesus said from the Biblical precedents to which He refers instead of following false suppositions that non-literalizes the meaning of "divorce" and "marries another" (as Jesus stated). When you believe everything Jesus said literally, it won't be necessary to interpret Him as if the first marriage didn't end and the second marriage as if it wasn't actually constituted, understand? Blessings

[@sharonhenry5479]

@@nealdoster8556 Admit and Quit it! Do not continue in sin. Do NOT be "faithful" to another man's wife or another woman's husband. The second marriage vow which is adultery, does not undo a first covenant marriage vow.

[@casseophealejarde-khaizen]

Sir, you totally step away from Jesus commandments in Matt 5:32, 19:1-10, Mark 10:1-10, and Luke 16:18. We are to crucify our flesh, carry our cross, and follow Jesus. This is more worth than the sensual things in life. Loving Jesus is to obey Jesus.

[@EdwardsEvelyn]

If you ‘remarry’ you will be in the sin of adultery. While divorce is permissible because hardness of heart, NOWHERE in the Bible God gives the green light on ‘remarriage’ I’ve been divorced 8 years now. God showed me in April of 2020 that I would be in sin if I ‘married’ another man while my husband is still alive. I would rather suffer a little while here being single, then to lose my soul for all ETERNITY. Anyone can ‘talk’ about God, but OBEDIENCE to His word, makes the distinction. People, read your Bible allowing the Holy Ghost to give you wisdom and revelation. It’s not man you’ll stand before on judgement day. “But for those who are married, I have a command that comes not from me, but from the Lord. A wife must not leave her husband. But if she does leave him, let her remain single or else be reconciled to him. And the husband must not leave his wife.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭7:10-11‬ ‭NLT‬‬ “A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. If her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but only if he loves the Lord. But in my opinion it would be better for her to stay single, and I think I am giving you counsel from God’s Spirit when I say this.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭7:39-40‬ ‭NLT‬‬ “Now, dear brothers and sisters-you who are familiar with the law-don’t you know that the law applies only while a person is living? For example, when a woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as long as he is alive. But if he dies, the laws of marriage no longer apply to her. So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:1-3‬ ‭NLT‬‬ “Later, when he was alone with his disciples in the house, they brought up the subject again. He told them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries someone else, she commits adultery.”” ‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:10-12‬ ‭NLT‬‬ ““For example, a man who divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery. And anyone who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.”” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:18‬ ‭NLT‬‬ “He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:8-9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@philipbuckley759]

in a separation, or divorce the options are to reconcile, or if this is not possible, remain unmarried....

[@ric_gatewood]

True joy comes from the salvation of our souls and faithful obedience to Christ. No matter what the cost. Christ was obedient to the point of death and is an example for us. Celebacy is not to high a cost to obtain the blessings that are only available through obedience to the commands of Christ and the salvation of your soul.

[@a11an72]

Im a "marriage permanence person": Really , you're not doing this topic justice if you expect a thourough answer in a youtube coent section that takes ten seconds to read ... But i would say : Study how all the early church leaders were unanimous in saying that ALL remarriage while the first spouse was alive is always considered a sin . Note how the early chirch leaders speak dearly about love, just like Paul after his conversion, he went from being a hard hearted pharisee who murdered christians to speaking dearly about live and how he was willing to die for his brothers in Christ if he had to. Notice how the early church fathers spoke in the same way and most of them died gruesome deaths as martyrs for Christ Note how almost all the new testament verses on remarriage forbids it Paul attacks the topic of marriage from several angles and seeminly gives us all the relevant knowledge he has on the topic , and he DOESNT allow remarriage , romans 7 is clear = NO remarriage , and this exact message is repeated in 1Cor7,39 Paul also says to the divorced = stay single or reconcile Mark 10 Jesus repeats this absolute message TWICE , first to the pharisees then to the disciples Its also said in Luke 16 The clauses in matthew specifically uses the term "porneia", and this does not specifically mean adultery even if many protestant preachers today claim that , we have a word for adultery and that is "Moicheia", and Jesus specifically did not use that Porneia may be an umbrella term but at the same time it is also used as a specific term to describe fornication And this is its main meaning especially in the new testament For instance : "We were not born of fornication, we have one father, God" "Adulterers, fornicators will not inherit the kingdom of heaven" (Here we see it used specifically as something thats not adultery) "This is Gods will- your sanctification, that you abstain from fornication/ porneia, that each one of you know how to win his own wife in sanctity" "For the sake of fornication each man should have his own wife" (Here we see that the ledicine for porneia/fornication is being married, on other words it referrs to non marital sex In deuteronomy 22 we also see that the young women who is not a virgin on her wedding day is to be stoned because she has comitted fornication/ non marital sex in her fathers house It also says in the same chapter that if a man is born in fornication (out of wedlock) his decendants can not enter Gods ministry for ten generations So we see that the word porneia can have sort of a cameleon effect , it can be fully yellow in one situation and fully green in another, just like many other greek words like soul/life , or woman/wife Context is king and the context specifies Before ww2 ten out of elleven mayor english bible translations translated the word porneia to mean fornication After ww2 the translation "sexual immorality" has increased in use , this is an umbrella term and it might be very wrong in this situation In matthew the term pornea might refer to something premarital , maybe the betrothal period since its written to a jewish audience , or even protection of virginity , we see the same principal in deuteronomy 22 where the young woman is to be stoned because she commited premarital sex before the wedding without telling Joseph is called a just man when he wanted to divorce Mary in silence as betroth , maybe theres a connection Look up Dawid Pawson and Joseph Webb on their videos on this topic Did the guy in this video prove his case with one bible verse? Or was everything just ridicule ... Cus its no laughing matter when it says "Adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of heaven"

[@kemiramson4593]

Everything you are saying is based on your opinion and feelings and not about what the scripture says.I tell you God can not alter his words because you think or feel its unfair to anyone.

[@toddkerestes594]

@kemiramson4593 you spoke wisdom and truth....I was set to reply to this video, and then I saw your comment....enough said, no need for my comment, just a thumbs up 👍 to you.

[@jenniferalshouse8254]

Obviously she doesn't have to go back to her Muslim husband. But she should have remained single and prayed that her Muslim husband comes to Christ.

[@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295]

Very well said.

[@mustardseedist]

This guy is a blind guide. Most pastors behind the pulpit are wolves like he is. They usually avoid the topic altogether.

[@carolsanborn5332]

Awakened Won, I don't know Dave's heart to be that of a preditory wolf,+ since I can't see into his soul as God can, I won't accuse him of purposely misleading folks down the garden path , for purely selfish gain. In my view, he appears to be more of a fluffy, sweet, gentleman pigeon type guy...I tend to think he's more like many of us, too easily emotionally manipulated by the sob stories of others,+ his desire to be a comforting source of information of forgiveness + tolerance overrides his zeal to adhere to the letter of the law, which, altho I tend to hold myself way more strictly accountable to Bible doctrine, do try to give everyone else the benefit of the doubt, when it comes to the question of motivation. I believe that if Dave took a little more time to consider that not only is God completely deserving of our attentive obedience, but will bless each of us best after we have suffered a while. Altho I don't really relish pain ; I do recognise that it is impossible to get thru this life without it. The Bible states that all who will live Godly will suffer persecution. Pain + suffering is how we grow in our faith. Dave acts like God is an overprotective Dad who keeps his kids wrapped in bubblewrap + feeds them nothing but cotton candy+ soda. Life is tough,+ we need to be aware that taking the easy way to quick self gratification by putting gratuitous marital fulfillment at the top of our priorities, ahead of our right relationship with God, is making marriage an idol in our lives. Marriage is supposed to be as much about glorifying Christ as having a live in sexual companion. Anyway, we are all learning as we go+ hopefully finding that we always have more to learn+ to appologise for, when we see we've made rash judgements without all the information to be truly accurate. God bless !

[@escalus84]

Well, then. Hopefully no one is saying they should go back their previous spouses as they are still Muslim. But when considering what it says in Deut. 24 that after a remarriage returning to the first spouse is not an option, NOT even after the 2nd husband's death. And Paul in I Cor 7 states if a woman does depart she should stay single or be reconciled to her first husband. So even if a couple gets divorced it is God's intention that in the future there is hope of them getting back together. To be honest, at this point the spouses' decision for repentance is theirs, but the solution is not to go back to the old spouses. That ship has sailed. If they were still single, and their first spouses also converted to Christianity - different story altogether. I don't understand why the second spouse, if he was already a christian, why he considered marrying this divorced woman. The second part of Matt 19:9 and Luke 16:18 where it states whoever marries her who was divorced commits adultery. That's prevously married, never-been married, and widowers. The whole gamut.

[@1Sackettgirl]

I dont think the “its adultery to marry a divorced person" applies to someone who was divorced but then their estranged departed spouse dies… when their spouse dies that divorced person may remarry according to Romans 7.

[@escalus84]

@@1Sackettgirl Agreed. The perspective I take with this isn't the man or woman who has been divorced who is currently asking, "Can I remarry?" It is the never-been-married or widowed asking, "Who can I marry?" If a divorced person's original spouse dies, that person does become a widow/widower at that point, and can marry another widow or never-been-married at that point. If they are a widow/widower from a second marriage, but they still have a living ex from a first marriage, the person marrying them would still be breaking a command of Jesus.

[@1Sackettgirl]

@@escalus84 Amen.

[@troy3889]

It is good to see so many people in the comments not agree with this heretic.

[@thurmanmills4021]

Well i don't think they should go back knowing that there going to be killed.. But the Lord said there is no man or woman without sin that's why we pray an if they are not condimed in there hearts i think they should follow what god puts in there hearts it said no sin is greater than the other ....forgiveness

[@nicolecuellolao3025]

Your condescending tone during your video is what turns me off. A posture of humility would be more appealing if you’re trying to explain a very sensitive topic. Going directly to my Bible for the answers/guidance.

[@nachis3]

Very condescending. It’s like he’s saying look at these foolish people for believing what Jesus said in His Word. False teaching.

[@dh605x]

I didn't find David's tone condescending at all. I often find that tone among those who insist that you are forever barred from being married again if you were divorced, no matter how compelling the reasons for that divorce were. People who insist that you are "still married in God's eyes" after a divorce are often wrong but never in doubt regarding the Scriptures.

[@patriziavalerio6315]

False teaching

[@nachis3]

Big time.

[@sharonhenry5479]

"Whosoever marries her that is divorced commits adultery." So adultery is OK?

[@nealdoster8556]

Adultery is never OK but this way of committing adultery is different than the narrative you create by thinking that it can't occur the way Jesus described. The adultery Jesus described was not punished because it was the inadvertent consequence of the divorce concession He mentions in Matthew 19:8 and Mark 10:5. In Jesus’ dialogue with the Pharisees He recalls the historic concession for divorce from centuries before. Hard hearts were causing conflict for marital relationships and like Paul (1 Cor. 7:15) Moses conceded divorce for peace sake. In that CONTEXT Jesus chose to answer the Pharisees question with a response they weren't expecting. He chose to reveal the end result of prematurely ending a marriage, or simply put, the byproduct of the divorce concession. You on the other hand have created an elaborate interpretation of Jesus' teaching by thinking that adultery only occurs during marriage. In other words, the adultery that was punished. By not differentiating between the two ways of committing adultery you equate them both as "unfaithfulness while married". Thus the need for you to think of divorce "as if" it doesn't end a marriage. Your whole testimony (on your web site) is predicated on the theory that divorce does not end a marriage. The irony is, Jesus described a way of committing adultery because the first marriage wasn't sustained. The very opposite of your interpretation. There are three biblical truths in your quote of Jesus (above). All three factors were relevant to those to whom He was speaking. Jesus revealed to His covenant people Israel how they were committing adultery by prematurely ending their marriages (divorce). Truth one * Whosoever MARRIES her - a second marriage constituted. Truth two * that is divorced - one no longer married. Truth three * commits adultery - inadvertent unfaithfulness to the former spouse by not remaining one-flesh with one person for life. Your teaching Sharon denies the reality of truth one and two. Then claims the unfaithfulness is occurring in the first marriage as if there was no divorce in Jesus' teaching. Your interpretation of Jesus has greatly effected your life by not realizing that adultery can follow a terminated marriage. Causing you to think that you wasn't actually married to your husband. I wish you hadn't been deceived because you really was married to him. Grace and peace

[@seiliwennam]

Whoever marries HER

[@letstalkbiblewithshun.s]

This man will help to lead you to hell. He might sound like an angel of light but Jesus word trumps this mans laughing and smirking throughout the entire video. God is not mocked.

[@dh605x]

David Servant has not promoted false teaching. You have. The marriage permanence heresy is just that: heresy.

[@letstalkbiblewithshun.s]

@@dh605x What did I say that was false Daniel?

[@dh605x]

@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s You don't lose your salvation for getting a divorce and marrying again. Jesus did NOT do away with divorce, or any other part of the Law of the Prophets. There is no adultery in marrying someone simply because you were divorced some time ago.

[@letstalkbiblewithshun.s]

@@dh605x interesting

[@Phil-bm4xo]

Read Mark 6 and Matthew 14 concerning Herod and Herodias’ marriage. Yes, she would need to divorce, stay separated, or be reconciled to her covenant spouse, or be celibate. God’s words, not mine! 1 Cor, 7:10-11, 39; Romans 7:2-3. Bound for life, not bound until religion change.

[@BennettJonWayne-xw9vi]

To the "marriage permanence" folks: You are fearful, and you are unbelieving of the scriptures, if you try to hide and conceal the exceptions given in Matthew, that are as much a part of scripture as the general rules. If you are fearful of hell, which we all should be, you should be afraid also of false teachings, and becoming a false teacher. The scriptures that teach against divorce and remarriage also give an exception for divorce and remarriage because of immorality, both in betrothal and in marriage, because Jesus does not condone or permit immorality in marriage. You also advocate uncleanness in marriage, if a defiled wife commits adultery and you tell the innocent husband to "just live with it." She can even mock her husband every night, and tell him that she loves her adulterous lover's manhood erections more than her husband's (even reminding him of that daily), but the man just has to live with that every day? And be a shame to his family and to his entire church congregation, and be the focus of gossip and uncleanness? Not so. Jesus to the rescue !!!! Trust in His Word, all of His Word, and obey, and you will be saved.

[@dh605x]

Well said! Where is the sense in that odious heresy?

[@BennettJonWayne-xw9vi]

@@dh605x The "marriage permanence" folks want to make "cuckolds" out of men. A cuckold is the husband of an adulterous wife; the wife of an adulterous husband is a cuckquean. In biology, a cuckold is a male who unwittingly invests parental effort in juveniles who are not genetically his offspring.

[@BennettJonWayne-xw9vi]

@@dh605x Just pattern your life after the Bible. Obey Matthew 19:9 and Matthew 5:32, two clear concise Bible verses, and do what they say, and say what they do say, instead of something else.

[@dh605x]

Even better to abide by the Scriptures taken as a whole. Nothing in Matthew 5, 19, or any other chapter should be constructed as preventing divorce for serious and compelling reasons (domestic violence, cruelty, drug use, financial recklessness, attempted murder, etc). It was the abuse of divorce and remarriage for selfish or trivial reasons that Jesus spoke out against, not these things per se. It is heresy to assert that divorce is not allowed in compelling cases, especially when mere separation would not be an adequate remedy.

[@purplemoose6431]

Jesus said if you lust after another you have committed adultery . Apparently we are all going to hell. Adultery isn't the unforgivable sin. Also Jesus said to the woman at the well she had been married 5 times AND didn't tell her to divorce and return to the first husband. And Deuteronomy 4 says you can't return to your first marriage !

[@nataliewelcometoo]

The biblical permanence view of marriage Does Not suppose a remarried person should divorce their new spouse. Studying the scripture/God’s character reveals that truth. We often misinterpret scripture because we are blinded by our sin. In all of scripture, I do not find that we can go back to undo our sin when we’ve already sinned against God. Jesus does the fixing. If the acts of divorce and remarriage were treacherous, divorcing again would be the same. We can’t fix it to please God. We can’t please God outside of Christ. As God gives us more knowledge of the truth, let us repent and come boldly before the Throne of Grace, having faith that the blood of Jesus has cleared the debt of our divorce and remarriage. Hebrews 10 speaks about the work of Jesus. Have faith that Jesus fixed the mess we’ve made in God’s sight. ...He never asks us to go back to fix things. Jesus told the woman to “go and sin no more.” John 8. He never asked her to divorce and fix anything. God help us to “work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.” Philippians 2:12

[@randalnethery22]

Scripture clearly teaches: anyone who divorces and remarries while their covenant (original) spouse is still living (with the exception of fornication) is an adulterer or adulterous (Matthew 5:31-32, Matthew 19:3-9, Mark 10:2-12, Luke 16:18, Roman's 7:2-3, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Corinthians 7:10-15, 1 Corinthians 7:39). In addition, scripture clearly teaches in order to receive God's mercy one must repent or they will perish (Luke 13:3). According to Proverbs 28:13, repentance has two elements confessing AND forsaking our sins: "People who conceal their sins will not prosper, but if they confess AND turn from them, they will receive mercy." Remaining in an adulterous remarriage is not repentance. The liar has to repent and stop lying; the thief has to repent and stop stealing; the homosexual has to repent and stop committing homosexual acts; and the remarried adulterer and adulteress has to repent and stop committing adultery. Sharing the scriptural truth regarding divorce and remarriage infuriates those who are supposed to be followers of Christ. The words of Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul anger his alleged followers like no other topic. Perhaps it's time to obey Jesus and to begin believing He means exactly what He says. Most importantly, ALL sins are unforgivable without genuine repentance...including remaining in adulterous remarriage. According to the clear, easy-to-understand words of scripture, Jesus most definitely sends unrepentant adulterers and adulteresses to the lake of fire. It's time to confess and forsake adulterous remarriage.

[@seiliwennam]

The passages are not gender neutral

[@maunder01]

@@seiliwennam sincerely, can you please share with me how you came to this conclusion?

[@nealdoster8556]

Grace to you Natalie You made some wonderful observations. As you can see from the first reply you received some Permanence advocates do believe "a remarried person should divorce their new spouse." You qualified your statement by saying "biblical permanence" and that's the difference between you and him. Blessings

[@dh605x]

You're right on the money. If divorcing from a so-called "adulterous marriage" were a prerequisite to salvation - as proponents of the marriage permanence heresy often claim - then the instruction to do so would have been clear and explicit. It also would not have been lawful under the Mosaic Law. God isn't known for being fickle. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. And pi is 3.14159...

[@robertstutler6229]

I.chalenge anyone to show me where Jesus commands a divorce...God even says that if a partner divorce and remarry there former spouse is an abomination to god...paul says to stay in the situation where your called...and says if a non believer departs the brother and sis ter are no longer bound...romans you to are dead to the law because of grace to marry to bring forth fruit...

[@troy3889]

Wow, so much distain for the truth. This man forget that our hearts are deceitful and our minds are corrupt we need to stay with the Scriptures. God calls all second marriages adultery while first spouse lives. No, God does not say you have to remarry 1 Corinthians 7:11. You have one other choice. don’t listen to this man. Wow.

[@moguedavid3670]

If you knew the answer and what they were going to say, how is it a real stumper?

[@traxxasmike]

It's exciting to see so many views and comments on this lesson within hours! Some people still won't see the stump until tripping over it. Thank you again, David and Family.

[@Tatiana-cp1fc]

Read my comments. This is not a stumper at all.

[@jesusislord3604]

My story for those who haven’t heard yet: I think many know part of mine. I was raised in a fake Christian home but didn’t know it at the time. My parents are remarriage adulterers and have been all my life. I am an uncovenant child. My father has a living first wife but she had left him at a young age and then he got saved later and “married “ my mom. Saying that the equal yoke makes the marriage since his first unsaved wife departed even before he believed, he likes to assume the bondage to her as his covenant spouse is broken. He’s been a deacon in the church all my life. My parents act all holy but now I know the truth. I at first thought like them so as you know I “married” a woman who like my dad had a first hubby who left her, never had kids and she was unsaved then. So we “married” and had 5 uncovenant kids. One day a lovely new secretary came to the church and caught my eye. I felt guilty until I realized my “wife” was not my own! Blessed indeed to be freed from that awful union and now in covenant marriage with the secretary Tally! Though the churches and my parents side with my fake ex and support her stand for my return since they all believe professing Christians need to keep their “marriages” even if they had a living spouse before they were saved that left them! They like to claim this is how the Bible is and how God makes covenants and that he only allows a believer with an unbeliever in yoke one flesh as long as the unsaved stays in the marriage. Trying to get them all to see the true nature of covenant marriage, that God joins ALL first time or widowed marriages of a born man and woman, happily and until death! The bond, the binds, the bondage stays for life even if both are satanists! Or one is a saint and one is a satanist! There is never any sin in covenant marriage. It is never to be repented of. #remarriage #divorce #remarriageadultery #remarriageisadultery facebook.com/tally.wran.9

[@jesusislord3604]

Tatiana you must reconcile if the other spouse will. It is unforgiving not to. Forgive 70 x 7. Reconciliation is of God. It’s a false interpretation that people think you can stay single after being one flesh. It’s sick! It’s puttong asunder! The hubby remains the head of the wife! Your covenant hubby is your head till death!! The bed undefiled! The separation doctrine is evil just like most Christians believe a false exception clause doctrine and a false belief about bondage if the unbeliever departs

[@randalnethery22]

Scripture clearly teaches: anyone who divorces and remarries while their covenant (original) spouse is still living (with the exception of fornication) is an adulterer or adulterous (Matthew 5:31-32, Matthew 19:3-9, Mark 10:2-12, Luke 16:18, Roman's 7:2-3, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Corinthians 7:10-15, 1 Corinthians 7:39). In addition, scripture clearly teaches in order to receive God's mercy one must repent or they will perish (Luke 13:3). According to Proverbs 28:13, repentance has two elements confessing AND forsaking our sins: "People who conceal their sins will not prosper, but if they confess AND turn from them, they will receive mercy." Remaining in an adulterous remarriage is not repentance. The liar has to repent and stop lying; the thief has to repent and stop stealing; the homosexual has to repent and stop committing homosexual acts; and the remarried adulterer and adulteress has to repent and stop committing adultery. Sharing the scriptural truth regarding divorce and remarriage infuriates those who are supposed to be followers of Christ. The words of Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul anger his alleged followers like no other topic. Perhaps it's time to obey Jesus and to begin believing He means exactly what He says. Most importantly, ALL sins are unforgivable without genuine repentance...including remaining in adulterous remarriage. According to the clear, easy-to-understand words of scripture, Jesus most definitely sends unrepentant adulterers and adulteresses to the lake of fire. It's time to confess and forsake adulterous remarriage.

[@seiliwennam]

Those are lies. The passages are gender neutral

[@phyllisgold4536]

God doesn’t change his mind on sin. He says in Deuteronomy 24:4 and Jeremiah 3:1 it’s defiling sin for divorced spouses to reunite if one them remarried. Jesus does not contradict the Father... Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Verse One) The woman and her husband entered into a marriage covenant for life. (Verse Two) The woman had sex with another man with the first covenant in effect. (Verse Four) The woman is defiled after the first covenant gets violated by adultery. (Verse Four) God forbids the continuance or renewal of the first marriage covenant. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 is a concession in which God breaks the first life covenant and recognizes the remarriage covenant. The presence of remarital adultery in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 proves that Jesus was identifying the sin within that passage in His debate with the Pharisees. Mt. 19:1-12; Mk. 10:1-12 He was NOT revoking or replacing the law; He was teaching it! Another good lesson on this topic, David. I hope any under the bondage of Marriage Permanence / Traditionalism will seek the truth in prayer and Scripture. God is immutable, his morality is eternally perfect and without change. May the Lord open their eyes, Phyllis - What is wrong with Marriage Permanence Doctrine? kzbin.info/www/bejne/bH3WlX1nj6h4m9U - Are people who remarry in danger of committing perpetual adultery? www.gty.org/library/questions/QA518/Are-people-who-remarry-in-danger-of-committing-perpetual-adultery - The Tame Divorce Doctrine tamedivorce.com

[@wolfgangsebastian8357]

Phyllis Gold One can argue that if you go back to your former spouse then both of you are in 'constant abomination' in God's eyes. It's actually hilarious if it weren't so damaging to so many. As David said, maybe hundreds of thousands.

[@traxxasmike]

Phyllis, I suggest reviewing the multi-part "Marriage Permanence" Little Lessons, to bring additional scripture and perspectives to the table. Thank you for sharing and bringing your opinion.

[@mustardseedist]

Actually Jer.3:1 says "return again to me".....You meant 3:8.......People cherry pic verse 8 while ignoring verse 1,14, 20, 4:1

[@mustardseedist]

Follow Jesus, not Moses....Mathew 19:8, Genesis 2:24

[@dw6505]

We are no longer under the temporary Mosaic law that was given to the nation of Israel, until the Seed came. Jesus did away with what Moses permitted and commanded. See Jeremiah 3, and Hosea 2&3 also, to see that Deuteronomy 24 is not God's heart either. It was regulations for what hard hearted people were doing, before Christ. "The times of ignorance God overlooked. But now, commands all men everywhere, to repent. "

[@wewiveslifechats5157]

Wow

[@gregorylatta8159]

The main issue is when people connect salvation to remarriage. They point to scripture that say adulterers with not go to heaven. This is false doctrine because it is out of context and speaks of believers when they were unbelievers .

[@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295]

You sound just as apostate as the maker of the video. Give us SCRIPTURE EVIDENCE that "Christian aduleterers" go to heaven...

[@dh605x]

And not only that, they conveniently ignore Deuteronomy 24:1-4. If remarriage after divorce is adultery, then either adultery was lawful under the Old Testament, or Jesus changed the Law to alter the definition of adultery. It's bonkers either way.

[@jesusislord3604]

My story for those who haven’t heard yet: I think many know part of mine. I was raised in a fake Christian home but didn’t know it at the time. My parents are remarriage adulterers and have been all my life. I am an uncovenant child. My father has a living first wife but she had left him at a young age and then he got saved later and “married “ my mom. Saying that the equal yoke makes the marriage since his first unsaved wife departed even before he believed, he likes to assume the bondage to her as his covenant spouse is broken. He’s been a deacon in the church all my life. My parents act all holy but now I know the truth. I at first thought like them so as you know I “married” a woman who like my dad had a first hubby who left her, never had kids and she was unsaved then. So we “married” and had 5 uncovenant kids. One day a lovely new secretary came to the church and caught my eye. I felt guilty until I realized my “wife” was not my own! Blessed indeed to be freed from that awful union and now in covenant marriage with the secretary Tally! Though the churches and my parents side with my fake ex and support her stand for my return since they all believe professing Christians need to keep their “marriages” even if they had a living spouse before they were saved that left them! They like to claim this is how the Bible is and how God makes covenants and that he only allows a believer with an unbeliever in yoke one flesh as long as the unsaved stays in the marriage. Trying to get them all to see the true nature of covenant marriage, that God joins ALL first time or widowed marriages of a born man and woman, happily and until death! The bond, the binds, the bondage stays for life even if both are satanists! Or one is a saint and one is a satanist! There is never any sin in covenant marriage. It is never to be repented of. #remarriage #divorce #remarriageadultery #remarriageisadultery facebook.com/tally.wran.9

[@nunyabusiness5275]

You say remarriage is adultery, yet here you are bragging that you divorced your wife and married the Church secretary. Disgusting. Repent!

[@jesusislord3604]

She has a living hubby! She acts like it was okay to marry me since he divorced her and cheated and they were childless and she was unsaved, but she is wrong.

[@nachis3]

@@nunyabusiness5275 Repent for what. His first wife was not his wife. Did you not understand how he said she had a living spouse. Now if the secretary had been married and divorced and her ex was still alive then he should repent but it sounds like he knows the truth. Right JesusisLord?

[@freya0620]

you're justifying yourself. repent.

[@BRAINWASHED.NETWORK]

Permanence view doesn’t say get a divorece from ypur 2nd husband...thats a lie...plus why are you being smug and pompous when there are those who believe marriage is for life. Lastly Permanence view doesn’t say divorce is an unforgivable sin...so all this hell stuff is rubbish If you make a vow before God..Permanence view says keep it....thats simple

[@drjohnschmuttermaier]

These marriage permanent people sound like the Pharisees of old, the law is everything! Well that’s not grace! Let’s put it in context shall we. When Jesus spoke about this issue he was talking about the mosaic law and to His disciples. It was within the context of Jewish thinking and Jewish conundrums. Christ fulfilled that law and in so doing broke the chains that bound us to it. Or are they now saying that the law supersedes grace? It sounds like it to me.

[@randalnethery22]

Scripture clearly teaches: anyone who divorces and remarries while their covenant (original) spouse is still living (with the exception of fornication) is an adulterer or adulterous (Matthew 5:31-32, Matthew 19:3-9, Mark 10:2-12, Luke 16:18, Roman's 7:2-3, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Corinthians 7:10-15, 1 Corinthians 7:39). In addition, scripture clearly teaches in order to receive God's mercy one must repent or they will perish (Luke 13:3). According to Proverbs 28:13, repentance has two elements confessing AND forsaking our sins: "People who conceal their sins will not prosper, but if they confess AND turn from them, they will receive mercy." Remaining in an adulterous remarriage is not repentance. The liar has to repent and stop lying; the thief has to repent and stop stealing; the homosexual has to repent and stop committing homosexual acts; and the remarried adulterer and adulteress has to repent and stop committing adultery. Sharing the scriptural truth regarding divorce and remarriage infuriates those who are supposed to be followers of Christ. The words of Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul anger his alleged followers like no other topic. Perhaps it's time to obey Jesus and to begin believing He means exactly what He says. Most importantly, ALL sins are unforgivable without genuine repentance...including remaining in adulterous remarriage. According to the clear, easy-to-understand words of scripture, Jesus most definitely sends unrepentant adulterers and adulteresses to the lake of fire. It's time to confess and forsake adulterous remarriage.

[@seiliwennam]

The passages are not gender neutral

[@brianhemmert9394]

Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly righteously and godly in this present age. The hyper grace camp believes grace=sorry, so I can continue in sin. Jesus didn't come to save us in our sin, Jesus came to save us from our sin!

[@escalus84]

Jesus didn't abolish the law, He fulfilled it. Moses gave this law in Deut 24 and it's main context is about return to the 1st spouse after being remarried. Somehow that got turned around into "What is uncleanness" and "Oh, so it's OK to remarry then?" Jesus arrives thousands of years later and rebukes their intentions apart from what the law was about. So, when Jesus addresses the law and affirms it, we also are to conform to His viewpoint of it. This is not legalism or Phariseeism.

[@drjohnschmuttermaier]

@@randalnethery22 and yet we all continue to sin daily, and in many cases we do not even recognise we are sinning in some cases, what then of repentance? How do you repent of a sin you don’t even know you have committed? If we could live a sinless life then there was no need for Christ to go to the cross! Jesus fulfilled the law period! Yes, He said that the law still stands. Of course it has to. But Jesus delivered us from the penalty of sin and thus from the law! But we are still called to be righteous and to resist temptation and to strive to be holy. That’s part of our calling. But onto e van ever fully do this that’s why we need Christ to intercede for us?

[@timsadventures1954]

Once again thank you David

[@nachis3]

For what. He’s not teaching truth.?

[@timsadventures1954]

@@nachis3 Would you please give us your qualifications, ministry where we may hear you preach your message. If you would take the time let us hear your message of truth. Apparently you are not in agreement with David and I'm all about learning so by all means help us all out. Blessings

[@paul3441]

Very foolish argument. The Bible does not require anyone to go back to their original spouse. It only allows it, but never requires it. Bogus argument from top to bottom, laughable.

[@ObeyJesusOurLord]

I agree with your perspective, David!

[@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295]

Of course you do you must also be a reprobate 🤦‍♂️

[@kathleenelmer4848]

It's also says in the Word of God, Divorce can be done if your wife or Husband have a sexual affairs outside the marriage or if you're beaten you may leave they leave the marriage. Legally.

[@paul3441]

What a total clown show.

[@leialee6820]

They should stay in their new Christian marriage of course. Why is it that some Christians think that God can forgive every kind of wicked evil sin except marrying the wrong person for all kinds of reasons including not only not being a Christian at the time but due to a bad upbringing where their was not much love & you were mixed up inside & may be married the wrong person where their was no love as you were vulnerable, alone & in great need. Not everyone has had the same start in life. No one keeps all the commandments & is without sin. Would they say that it is fine if someone sleeps around loads of times but never marries anyone free to be married. Surely, Jesus can forgive all our mistakes, wrongdoings &;sins.