#rdr2 #reddeadredemption #arthurmorgan A modded scene made for fun
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@boozypixels8 ай бұрын
I expect whoever's playing Micah gets an instant 'FAILED: You killed Arthur too early" after that exchange
@smilesawayfromhere8 ай бұрын
Snake! You've created a time paradox!
@evergreengaming2.0538 ай бұрын
"That's that paradox @smilesawayfromhere , you see?" "When I'm gone, they'll just find another monster. They have to... cuz they have to justify their wages." "Our time has passed, @smilesawayfromhere ."
@Mtv2500_Studios8 ай бұрын
🤣🤣
@Testiclopps7 ай бұрын
@@smilesawayfromhere🫡
@CAPTAIN_TERMINOTERROR7 ай бұрын
@@evergreengaming2.053 So at the end, i had the guts to shoot but you are dead, @evergreengaming2.0.
@shaunlevin50818 ай бұрын
Funny enough, this might be a good ending. Micah would be immediately killed by everyone and Dutch wouldn't go as insane.
@stevekettelson73688 ай бұрын
I like how you added “as” in there. Noted sir
@bobsempletank53627 ай бұрын
I mean- the loss of a man who was basically his son in such a random occurence may lead to Dutch going insane as well, just taking him longer to do so
@littleaqua327 ай бұрын
Well, he might still go crazy because at the time Chapter 2 Arthur was still Dutch’s most loyal and favored son, so Micah killing him would’ve put Dutch on the warpath and not even Hosea would’ve been able to calm him down.
@thiagotrentin73437 ай бұрын
@@bobsempletank5362 I think he would go a different kind of insane.
@firstlast98467 ай бұрын
Dutch went insane before this game began if you pay attention in the opening
@Brandon-qp9dj8 ай бұрын
Behind the back. The nature of a rat
@ThePalebloodHunter8 ай бұрын
Nice Rhyme.
@TheFunnyKnight8 ай бұрын
@@ThePalebloodHunterclose enough to rhyme
@ninjireal8 ай бұрын
@@TheFunnyKnightIt’s a rhyme.
@Papajohn69548 ай бұрын
Fine by me at least I'll be alive puss cat 🐈
@TheFunnyKnight8 ай бұрын
@@ninjireal oh
@rashoff8 ай бұрын
The fact that everyone is debating whether or not this is real shows how detailed this game is
@nameynamename37588 ай бұрын
or how foolish people are
@huilang8388 ай бұрын
@@nameynamename3758 or how much of a virgin u are
@Scared_Yoda8 ай бұрын
@@nameynamename3758 yeah it's pretty obvious that Arthur's physique, clothes and hair is modded. Micah's pants too
@nomercyoldcrow23738 ай бұрын
I mean, He’s running the game with mods, so people would naturally doubt about it being real or fake.
@YapyYap8 ай бұрын
@@Scared_Yoda Micah has those pants in Chapter 2 sometimes
@jacket23838 ай бұрын
This is obviously fake guys. However, if micah were to shoot Arthur right there, the gang would ostracize micah. In a f*cked up way, that would be a good ending.
@Spidersox19898 ай бұрын
Think they'd do more than ostracise him
@Dev_ChrisDev8 ай бұрын
dutch and the rest of the gang members would probably just gun micah down at that point not just ostracize him 💀
@benkersten17058 ай бұрын
@@Dev_ChrisDevthat’s their were of ostracizing. Less fancy, Mor to the point. Effective. When done right, little back and forth.
@Dev_ChrisDev8 ай бұрын
@@benkersten1705 true
@fetonervouser15908 ай бұрын
n pode mais
@omeraktas50908 ай бұрын
Arthur is not allowed to use weapons in the camp. However, Micah and the others can use guns.
@smoker59898 ай бұрын
Hosea actually aims Bill with one of his revolvers in camp.
@CapaCache8 ай бұрын
cleaning a gun/knife or standing guard is a lot different than what most players would do with the opportunity to use guns in camp
@toxicking24558 ай бұрын
They’re cheating that’s how they’re using guns
@andrewhooper76037 ай бұрын
I don't even want to use them, I just want to be able to clean them.
@TheNotoriousLARGE7 ай бұрын
If we were allowed to use guns at camp, the story wouldn't play out it did
@GiveSic7 ай бұрын
Dutch would still have Micha's back after this. "Arthur! Arthur, why are you laying around? Look at Micha, he's cleaning his gun but your just relaxing on the ground. I have a PLAN Arthur!"
@xBaphomet666x6 ай бұрын
“TAKE THAT BULLET OUT YOUR BACK AND SELL IT! WE JUST NEED MORE MONEY ARTHUR! AFTER THIS ONE LAST HEIST AND BECOME MANGO FARMERS IN TAHITI!”
@mrosskne4 ай бұрын
Christ i read this in his voice lmao
@sameglen70794 ай бұрын
@@mrosskne same
@222kalyanvardhant63 ай бұрын
I HAVE A PLAN😂
@plebisMaximus2 ай бұрын
"ARTHUR! STOP LAYING AROUND ARTHUR, HAVE SOME GODDAMN FAITH"
@StitchPen8 ай бұрын
Everyone talks about what Arthur would do if he could see into the future, but the real question is what Micah would do.
@izrael8207 ай бұрын
The plot to Tokyo revengers if they both could see in the future
@StephenMckeighen7 ай бұрын
Honestly I think he'd stay the same course up until Guarma and Chapter 6 Things went pretty well for Micah all things considered, things only started going wrong when Arthur started leading a mini gang from within Charles, Arthur, John, and Sadie would need to go, and Dutch he could easily lull into a Pinkerton ambush
@Lolpy.7 ай бұрын
All things considered, Micah is all about survivalism and doing what it takes to keep himself going. He would see that the gang would go to shit down the line, and he’d in all honesty probably just leave. He was only a rat because it protected him, not because he wanted to off everyone in the camp.
@FT_077 ай бұрын
@@izrael820if the main character actually had an IQ above that of an infant
@StitchPen7 ай бұрын
@@FT_07okay, I'll catch you later then.
@Lonegunmanonthegrassyknoll7 ай бұрын
That back shooting Micah! 😂😂The actor really played the role soo good. Kudos to him
@thedevil15517 ай бұрын
He played the character so well even he hated Micah.
@RandomInternetStranger3 ай бұрын
Shoots Arthur in the back here, takes backshots from Dutch in the Epilogue
@Lenny_Summers18992 ай бұрын
@@RandomInternetStrangerNooo! He shot him in the stoma- wait… Dutch and Micah are.
@Crinkledpaper23 күн бұрын
@@RandomInternetStrangerreal
@BossKong-lo8ri8 ай бұрын
I’m surprised nobody ever posted Sean smashing Karan in John’s tent lol.
@I_JetFuture_I8 ай бұрын
Are you sure about that?
@BossKong-lo8ri8 ай бұрын
@@I_JetFuture_I I’ve been watching these interactions for over a year now. I haven’t seen it, it might be out there tho. My first time seeing it while actually playing the game was last weekend.
@darthdarthbinkss8 ай бұрын
@@I_JetFuture_II’ve seen it during 2 of my playthroughs. Once you rescue Sean in Chapter 2, there’s a big party in the camp for him. If you stay around the camp all night, you’ll likely get an encounter where Karen and Sean go into John’s tent and bang.
@I_JetFuture_I8 ай бұрын
@@darthdarthbinkss if you take the camera in there, they're actually hugging and moaning.
@nomercyoldcrow23738 ай бұрын
@@BossKong-lo8riThe game is available for 5 years, since 2018. In 2019 there were people posting videos of Sean hitting the box
@hyouka_unforgiven8 ай бұрын
Next time, watch your back, Arthur.
@Mirakuruuu8 ай бұрын
Wow. Im actually not surprised that i expected that ending
@ilikespagett15148 ай бұрын
you know its almost like it was in the thumbnail
@muffiefx19516 ай бұрын
@@ilikespagett1514 do you feel better now that you got that out of your system?
@ilikespagett15146 ай бұрын
@@muffiefx1951 weirdo
@muffiefx19516 ай бұрын
@@ilikespagett1514 not sure how that makes me a 'weirdo,' but okay. im not the one being negative to people for no apparent reason. he commented and you didnt have to reply with that, but you chose to anyway. so tell me, is your life any better now that you said that? we're all dying to know, my friend
@ilikespagett15146 ай бұрын
@muffiefx1951 Jesus christ get help. This isn't as negative as you see it
@mojo_joju4 ай бұрын
Arthur: "Okay, I'll catch ya later then" Micah: "no you won't"
@THE_OUTCAST368 ай бұрын
You already know he's scared of Arthur
@rickytricky57198 ай бұрын
"A modded scene just for fun" -video's description
@Coro7808 ай бұрын
Omg
@HunterShows4 ай бұрын
"clickbait just for fun"
@John._.marston.1873Ай бұрын
@@HunterShows the video is a joke bud
@satriadicky37328 ай бұрын
Fun fact : Micah actually pissed his pants during this scene and he only shoot Arthur when his back is turned.
@demonkingzeldris88357 ай бұрын
Yeah. You can hear the pissing sounds when Arthur says "Name the time and place."
@crapnuggets2024 ай бұрын
When he takes that long sniff that's him huffing the scent of his own pants filling up with shit
@GamesCooky6 ай бұрын
No matter how low your honor gets, it can't get lower than Micah's.
@grivza8 ай бұрын
0:24 if you go frame by frame you can see the exit wound in Arthur's face.
@AlpHakanKurklu-xf9ey6 ай бұрын
How you can do that ?
@Onkelz-Freak19936 ай бұрын
@@AlpHakanKurklu-xf9ey pause the video, and then press the [ , ] and [ . ] keys on your keyboard to move back and forth respectively
@astora87682 ай бұрын
He shot him in the neck not the head
@Ghost-gr4qj2 ай бұрын
@@astora8768no, you can see the bullet behind the right eye in one frame
@Leonardo-hg8sc8 ай бұрын
And Dutch doesnt react at this
@ibrahimkuyumcu26498 ай бұрын
As usual.
@REDACTEDFILE3 ай бұрын
the clip was over before he even hit the ground + its a mod of course he doesnt react. what are you 12
@Leonardo-hg8sc3 ай бұрын
@@REDACTEDFILE no its not a mod because It happens to me too once
@Luuncho3 ай бұрын
@@REDACTEDFILEnot a mod this happened to my buddy
@Tickleyourpickle4202 ай бұрын
@@Luuncho it says it's a mod in the video description 😂
@pipeosaurs8 ай бұрын
The more I think of arthurs character the more i wish he was a sheriff actually hunting down the gang ultimately to fail while also converting john to hunt down the rest
@NikoCigoj7 ай бұрын
Thats…so cool
@bobsempletank53627 ай бұрын
Like an infiltrator? That would be insane
@raydonovan88077 ай бұрын
@@bobsempletank5362no you can’t make out with my butt. Ewww!
@arashsa7117 ай бұрын
Lame
@weirdguy14957 ай бұрын
That sounds a bit too close to the first game, to be honest.
@PoopilussMcDoopiluss6 ай бұрын
This game actually scares tf outta me when arthur has low honor
@06kid8 ай бұрын
Micah: there's only one room for one big pile a shit.. and you're getting too big Arthur Arthur: excuse me wh-
@genericalfishtycoon38535 ай бұрын
That's reserved for low honor Fat Arthur lmao
@lamerdvfb27218 ай бұрын
Aurthur's "just name the place" reminded me of Khabib saying "just send me location".
@Dom_C75914 ай бұрын
Gotta agree, the energy is the same from both individuals
@shalashaska694207 ай бұрын
its insane how micah couldve killed everyone in camp as long as arthur was killed first and everyone was caught off guard
@calebwilson44316 ай бұрын
i always say this. people say he’s a rat and hate him but he’s easily the best shot with a pistol. he’s also the most conniving and willing to do anything
@ORLY9116 ай бұрын
Actually his accuracy is rather average, sometimes poor. He's just the fastest when it comes to hitting the triggers. A few videos compare draw speeds, fire rate, accuracy of the gangs main gunmen. Check them out! Dutch is the most accurate by far tests showed, which lines up with the story, he's had several moments showing how eagle eyed he is, but is a slow drawer. As mentioned Micah is fastest RoF with his revolvers of the gang, while John and Arthur are quickest to draw no surprise there.
@soundwavesuperior285 ай бұрын
@@ORLY911 This is true. AFAIK, Dutch kills 3 people in a second during the Braithwate Manor mission. Give or take a few people and/or seconds.
@sxna44202 ай бұрын
@@ORLY911 I would actually say that Micah isn’t that fast at all considering he uses double action revolvers, meaning all he has to do is just pull the trigger again and again.
@secondhandsmoke103 ай бұрын
Micah sounded more like he saw a mosquito on him or something and thought shooting it would be more convenient than standing up and swatting it away
@mariusbra53214 ай бұрын
"It's just a prank" The prank in question:
@theamazingcj27488 ай бұрын
I'd like to see what would go down in the camp after this. This was clearly before Dutch went majorly downhill.
@brian1308 ай бұрын
Dutch never cared about his gang members individually. Their gunslinging abilities got them their seat at the table. He valued them on this ability. Arthur first. Then Micah once Arthur got sick. Then Bill. He's seen to be a pretty good shot also. Then John. Not as good a shot as the rest, until much later. But obviously the potential was always there. I don't think Xavier and Charles are as good a shot as the others. Not with guns anyway. I'm guessing Hosea was pretty quick on the draw once upon a time. I mean somebody had to have taught Arthur to have Landon Rickets level ability and it probably wasn't Dutch.
@brian1308 ай бұрын
@@welldone. Dutch is never shown to be a quick draw, or a good shot even. He's more of a tactician. Arthur's gunslinging abilities are superior to every known legendary gunslinger in the franchise. Dutch and Hosea raised Arthur from a teen. I feel like if Dutch taught him that level of skill, it would be on display with Dutch himself. It's not. Likely Bill and Micah got recruited by Dutch because of their skilled gunmanship. Lenny seems to be a bit of a crack shot too. Likely had to be to have survived on the run alone for the last few years of his life. And Charles and Xavier are stealthy killers. Proficient in other styles of fighting. Somebody else likely taught Arthur. If not Hosea, then probably his biological father. Arthur hated him, but still wears his hat. Probably for this reason.
@brian1308 ай бұрын
@@welldone. Granted. That was an awesome shot by Dutch. But it was a trap. It was sniper shit. Not gunslinger shit. Yeah. His weapon is accurate. So perhaps he needs it more than the others Who knows, maybe Micah taught him how to shoot better. So he's a better shot in RDR1. Dutch taught them how to read. Not how to swim. John doesn't know how to swim. So clearly Dutch didn't teach Arthur and John everything he knows. And likewise everything they know isn't because of Dutch. Jack Marston knows how to shoot as good as John. So presumably John teaches him some stuff. Jack's roughly the same age as Arthur was, when he lost his father. So literally no reason Arthur's father couldn't be the one responsible for his gunslinging ability. As it's probably the case with Jack.
@Malpais-Legate8 ай бұрын
@@brian130this implies that he was pooped on
@kitsuji_4048 ай бұрын
@@brian130 you just said that jack as a gunslinger has crazy potential if at 19 he was as good as his father and your right
@victorandrade34566 ай бұрын
@brian130 do you remember when Dutch killed Cornwall, the attack on Brontes' house, and basically everytime there was a shootout? Dutch is INSANELY good, that's one of the reasons he's so dangerous.
@cannonballjenkins27578 ай бұрын
ngl i like arthurs fit he looks like one of those old super drunk mentors you see in movies
@Issa.nicholas7 ай бұрын
And right after that we see everyone else draw on Micah he might be lucky and get one more before meeting the same fate as John at the end of RDR1…
@JayIceColdD8 ай бұрын
Micah looking at Arthur like a Starfield NPC...
@V1lg3r016 күн бұрын
"Mission Failed, you killed Arthur too early"
@projectphoenix41398 ай бұрын
that's actually kinda well made, of course its fake but, I really wonder how the hell this was even done
@demonkingzeldris88357 ай бұрын
Mods possibly. Like a "Random event" mod or something. Give the game a little more challenge where nowhere is safe. Not even camp. Idk, that's my guess. That or editing magic with the use of a mod table.
@cryingchildfnaf12 ай бұрын
*survives* "now why did you do that?"
@mx_8818 ай бұрын
nicely edited my friend very nicely
@CapaCache5 ай бұрын
I know it's fake but it's cool to see the other gang members in frame actually react to Micah shooting, Uncle flinches and starts to get up right before the screen fades to black.
@Batman-ro9mj7 ай бұрын
*Stand Unshaken starts playing*
@disguisedNightfallАй бұрын
Arthur Got Killed by Micah in the Camp All Gangs: ...... Were all Fine
@enigma73108 ай бұрын
*The thumbnail cold tho...😮*
@gusmiester7 ай бұрын
MAY I STAND UNSHAKEN. AMID AMIDST A CRASHING WORLD.
@UFCandWeed4 ай бұрын
*Clash of worlds
@faridagasiyev70427 ай бұрын
İ got this encounter when i played high honor, but only until 0:11. İ didn't hear Micah saying something like this. Ending was funny bait though
@balehamada13 күн бұрын
The foreshadow in this one is insane
@SonsofWarMC8 ай бұрын
"Hello There."
@Neo2266.6 ай бұрын
Oh my GOD! That's awesome
@jakemarston54875 ай бұрын
The camp: GELD HIM
@VivekYadav-ds8oz4 ай бұрын
Initially I was very confused as I got this as literally the first camp encounter with Micah and I had positive honour. Then I saw the end and my jaw dropped 💀😭
@MrMilla228 ай бұрын
This is funny as hell
@mr.dome.gaming71038 ай бұрын
Hello There, The last thing he heard
@BartyCrease982 ай бұрын
I would’ve loved to see the aftermath of this
@BruceRobertson-mn6pg3 ай бұрын
Lol imagine the last words you hear "HuH" BANG
@marypalmer004 ай бұрын
God that made me flinch! So good!! Imagine if that was in the game?
@serendipity_hunter39746 ай бұрын
I’ve gotten this dialogue. But I’ve only achieved it at beaver hollow. The only difference being he didn’t shoot. And his last line was different.
@DutchVanDerLinde1645 ай бұрын
This is modded
@dingakakinaja38938 ай бұрын
After that micah get bullet rain
@dapiunhappy79093 ай бұрын
"Hello there!"😁
@Spamaccount9996 ай бұрын
It’s for both low honor and high honor this is my 4th walkthrough of the game and I wanted to get every interaction in the game with the highest honor and still got this one but I’d love to see one that’s actually for low honor only
@honey-hunterslimefanno.32575 ай бұрын
Dude it isnt a real interaction tf you on about.
@Spamaccount9995 ай бұрын
@@honey-hunterslimefanno.3257 dude hop off my dick it’s a comment about a video game real mf don’t respond with negativity so on some real shit be gone lil bruh
@solidnywonsz4 ай бұрын
@@honey-hunterslimefanno.3257 it is real. The gunshot is not
@honey-hunterslimefanno.32574 ай бұрын
@@solidnywonsz Obviously the interaction is real. Obviously the gunshot is not. I know that.
@solidnywonsz4 ай бұрын
@@honey-hunterslimefanno.3257 Are you brain injured like Dutch?
@interestingyoghurt02428 ай бұрын
And by the highest possible honor? Can you kill Micah?
@user-hc3qi9ps8i8 ай бұрын
No 😞
@prime_optimus7 ай бұрын
No because it's fake.
@zippybosscat90887 ай бұрын
@@prime_optimus🤓
@nonyabusiness2041Ай бұрын
For real, that's great shit, never seen that comming 🤣
@Glocky698 ай бұрын
Ngl, this some kind of Unforseen Conciquences stuff
@jbomb12348 ай бұрын
Did not know that was possible.
@curtibirdie35958 ай бұрын
If that could haopen in reality, the whole gan would instantly do the worse they couldnto micah
@koolaid3323 күн бұрын
Question: why did you make Arthur look like Joe?
@Gyorffykee6942018 күн бұрын
Everytime I die in a game I always overthink what would happened if the game ended here and you actually died there.
@zerodrop60436 ай бұрын
This has got to be real, I wouldn't know as I'm a high honor player
@Anatolpinist7 ай бұрын
What's the mod used here for Micah shooting Arthur and what's the mod for Arthur's outfit.
@Rock-lp8lw3 ай бұрын
are you finding mod?
@Sailor6395 ай бұрын
Micah's revolver going trough his elbow...
@Neo2266.6 ай бұрын
Despite being on his lowest honour, Arthur is still too honourable to pull a gun on Micah in-camp
@ThomasSavinelli8 ай бұрын
NICE BRO!
@jaka77468 ай бұрын
I wished that the hole gang just loaded micah with bullets after that
@USAirsoft2 ай бұрын
That's kinda spot on
@Saint_J._Green2 ай бұрын
Are there any mods that can bypass the companionship thing so I can kill the gang members I don’t like whenever I’m in camp?
@YoonSooSuh7 ай бұрын
This feels like a very Joker'esque type thing he'd do on people he doesn't like.
@diggydiggyhole-fan5 ай бұрын
After watching this, i'm glad i've just watched some videos of Micah being in jail and his horse, Baynet being killed.
@nadjibdjefel17024 ай бұрын
"Oh sh!t didn't know it was loaded" Micah's last words
@michaelkorenberg13136 ай бұрын
If Micah actually did that the gang would kill him on the spot. You don’t just kill your fellow man like that!
@supercyberfunk6 ай бұрын
With honor so low, you'd think Micah would become friends with Arthur.
@ReallyIntoxicated2 ай бұрын
You can always go back in the past, But you can't change destiny.
@AngelMayhem2 ай бұрын
Arthur is basically a serial killer.
@seanrobey83357 ай бұрын
When i was at shady belle micah was over by the shack by the water pulled out my gun right at him and his reaction was like THE HELL
@captainlamp2.07629 күн бұрын
Micah: I bet there's some that are scared by that sort of talk. But not me. Also Micah: Shoots Arthur in the back.
@keisaboru11558 ай бұрын
Rdr3 should be freedom of choice to do anything the way you want with infinite endings 😂
@lostmylegstoweed21938 ай бұрын
That’d be so sick but it would prolly take as long as gta 6😂
@sarno4948 ай бұрын
Would take 20 years for it to be released
@prime_optimus7 ай бұрын
@@sarno49420 thousand.
@mordecai63513 ай бұрын
Not the same but BG3 is pretty much like that
@nicholasorosz67245 ай бұрын
Id like to think that after Arthur dies, even though you're yknow.. dead, and you can't see it, that the whole gang ends up either killing Micha there, or deserting him, changing the course of the game for the better. Since that camp is so early in the game I imagine that some characters will live/die because Arthur isnt there.
@nlrenzo943211 күн бұрын
This is actually in the game but he doesn’t shoot you after
@CapralHarrison8 ай бұрын
Strangely enough, i have that Micah encounter when i had a pretty decent honor, so it's not much of secret.
@jackteckers36548 ай бұрын
It’s fake lil bro🙏🏿💀Fym
@CapralHarrison8 ай бұрын
@@jackteckers3654 it's not, i coulda swear i had this encounter and this dialog in my playthrough
@king_bowser5938 ай бұрын
@@jackteckers3654the line is there but the shot is fake
@CapaCache8 ай бұрын
@@CapralHarrison The encounter itself happens no matter what honor, Micah shooting Arthur in the back of the head is what's fake.
@visin89847 ай бұрын
@@jackteckers3654 he got caught red handed LMFAO
@Loose_Cove6 ай бұрын
I totally expected that from Micah 🔝
@TrueRestrictionАй бұрын
This is a real interaction ive had in camp the only fake part is obviously Arthur getting shot
@Loliconman5 ай бұрын
I like the cut of his gub
@RYNOCIRATOR_V53 ай бұрын
Try and get the encounter again, but draw on Micha after he brushes you off
@mumbacrumba8 ай бұрын
5 chapters too early
@cute-a-genic2 ай бұрын
Hello there :D BOOM! ow my spine mister
@AgentDJ-lk7fi5 ай бұрын
Dutch,hosea,javier,lenny, john or bill definitly make sure his live will be shorter then average life of a rat
@user-gp6yb5re6g8 ай бұрын
Foreshadowing...
@yungtheoo4157 ай бұрын
this quotes happen even if you have high or middle honor :)
@DooDleZTv13 ай бұрын
people didn't even check the description no more
@indyscott54373 ай бұрын
I don't know, I think he was scared by that talk
@falcothegreat54705 ай бұрын
Even then he still shot him in the back (of the head)
@bongo1043 ай бұрын
that was....cold
@anthonydelange41283 ай бұрын
Title : micah blows arthurs head.
@agentsmith296 ай бұрын
PERFECT !!! 👍
@johnathenwarner33804 ай бұрын
GAVINNNNN
@Armaliter154 ай бұрын
I imagine in this scenario Micah got absolutely unloaded on or gelded by Bill