A Smash Player SOLVED Ranked in Tekken 8

[@CONEYZZ]

Thanks for your Beginner Guide, helped me out a TON starting out!

[@supersonic7218]

The legend himself!!

[@MatthewMorganReddwood]

Coney my GOAT😭🙏🏿

[@PhiDX]

AYYYYY

[@CROWGUN]

Armor kick, armor kick, armor kick…..

[@IceeSwirl]

Bro saying starting out like that wasn't 5 days ago 😂

[@reysinx3345]

Seeing Coney become a celebrity overnight in the tekken community out of everything is very funny to me

[@cartmansnipples]

I had no clue what the story was and to hear its Coney is absolutely hilarious and amazing all at once

[@MasterHeracross]

And now many tekken players hate him either cus their jealous or bc he plays King often both. Grow up you guys 🙄.

[@anuraexe]

Coney was elite in Project M and Brawl. Competent in 4 and Ultimate because of legacy knowledge and skills. He doesn’t even play it like that anymore he’s mostly been a commentator. He knows how to learn and how to take a few good tools and use them effectively. Very conscious player in all genres. He got far in Street Fighter 6 as well. He’s just a gamer, that’s my goat 🙏

[@mjeezyca]

Nerd

[@D4VID9724]

@@mjeezyca ngl we all nerds bro. we are watching a video about Tekken ranked lmao

[@heyimmk5226]

"use the tools your character has - you don't get bonus ranked points for being honest" words to live by ❤

[@dpokan]

Yeah but I don't have to respect the guy who won a sword fight with a shotgun.

[@HeimTarch]

@@dpokan expect respect isn't worth shit when you're dead. if you have an RPG , use it

[@Hermelin69]

"A fight is about who's left standing. Nothing else" Kazuya knows ya'll are bums and even told you to fight to win smh

[@CONEYZZ]

​@@dpokan Your respect is not a prize worth earning

[@k-yo]

Yeah, I used to feel bad and cheap using King's power crushes. But fuck it, if it works, it works. Now at Ruler I need to keep my fundamentals in check.

[@reguba3534]

A lot of comments aren't impressed by this achievement, but I've been playing Tekken for a little while and I'm not purple rank yet so how can I speak on anything? I think Coney is actually amazing at dominating the lower levels of many games. He's good at seeing the win condition and sticking to it. Picking King might mean you can simplify the game into real-time RPS, but the man knows how to play RPS. If anyone knows anything about Dedede in Brawl, this will all make sense

[@AodinValar]

Picking King is like being a professional boxer and you get to beat up kids in high school

[@YaGirlGumption]

"dominating the lower levels" sounds like mid to me. I mean purple ranks is rad for his first Tekken experience but this video feels like a lotta glazing for what's really generic fighting game knowledge applied to a different game. I started with smash too, and it's not like I suddenly forgot what the hell spacing and whiff punishment was the moment I picked up Tekken.

[@reguba3534]

@@YaGirlGumption What is lower level in a game is very relative, could be mid to some. When I saw a graph showing ranked distribution, more than 80% of ranks were below purple. I think top 20% is pretty good. What you say is generic fighting game knowledge I think severely over-estimates the average person who has picked up and played a fighting game I've met a lot of gamers who are more concerned with honesty and "playing sick" than actually seeing the game in front of them, and I think it's worth commending someone who can break it down to the base elements. Feel free to think this video and comment section is all a fuss about nothing, we're all talking about casual gaming here. It just seems like a lot of people here are missing the forest for the trees and deciding to rain on someone's parade because of it

[@Kekkai_]

It is, in fact, a decent achievement cause people overhype King waay too much. At lower ranks it's easier to dominate with characters with many plus frames strings, safe launchers and CH pressure but because King has the best grabs and low ranks don't know how to deal with grabs they cry about him the most. I'm not impressed personally, because I know Time = Rank and if you grind the game enough you will for sure get a high rank if you are even a little bit decent especially this early on. Content creators obviously have this time and since it's early and popular, these content creators are beating up people who mostly don't have time to play games all the time. Getting past blue ranks is pretty impressive since most people above that aren't casual players. This is like people getting Master ranks in street fighter all over again lol

[@baconbitz7804]

I think a lot of people don’t remember how they played 4 days in cause I was mashing like crazy trying to find moves I liked

[@aznkim1127]

I played Smash a shit ton. One thing I want to highlight is that when I first started playing Street Fighter 6 and Tekken 8 the concept of Okizeme came very naturally. This is because it’s basically the same idea as what we call “Tech Chasing” in Smash. I assume this is why this was also one Coney’s strengths given his long history with Smash.

[@hermankermit-warm1121]

Dude let's not pretend it isn't being King and he's getting hard carried - or are we all now saying once you can mash in yellow you may as well be purple rank? Reallllllly?

[@DudeBroEasy]

​@@hermankermit-warm1121it gets real at blue. Below is character dependent

[@DudeBroEasy]

​@@hermankermit-warm1121it gets real at blue. Below is character dependent

[@DudeBroEasy]

​@@hermankermit-warm1121it gets real at blue. Below is character dependent

[@gaarafan89]

​@@hermankermit-warm1121 This is a real scrubby thing to say lol

[@PeppoMusic]

It is almost like the okizeme mindset and respect you must have for being at a disadvantagr and also taking the advantage when your opponent is grounded can be carried over from recovery and ledge grab plays in Smash. Both limits the options of one player a lot, where they risk getting punished by picking unsafe and offensive options. And both allow the other player more mixup and picking options that beat the limited safe options.

[@TDSpyder]

I've played smash for years and yes, this is on point. In smash you learn a very intricate advantage state compared to other FGCs, because of tech chasing in smash.

[@VannTango]

Agreed. In Smash, you have to rotate your options from the ledge or the opponent will blow you up. I wouldn't be surprised if smashers have better than average abare when they pick up FGs.

[@jaiiclipped805]

I’m telling you smash is one of the hardest FGs. You learn a lot from it and a bunch of skills and concepts carry over.

[@bortle]

the way you have broken down tekken for first timers, PhiDX, cannot be understated. I’m not an elite FG player, but your tips and videos have seriously helped me learn what tekken is all about. Thank you!!!!!❤

[@Bonaby]

I don’t know how Coney would feel about that “Smash Player” label 😭

[@BeretBay]

lol man is the storyteller of all time 😂

[@KobunLaunch]

his ass aint playin smash ICANT

[@PhiDX]

What should I have said 😭

[@0000-r2b]

Lol he's just a commentor. He's booty at SSBM 😂That's not even shade, he's jokes about it all the time. (Also you should do a video on *how* to generally practice. I'm curious to hear your thoughts.)

[@kgeo2686]

@@0000-r2bIt’s all relative. The laymen would thinks he’s incredible at smash

[@aqueelkadri8371]

I woke up in the middle of the night to catch the tournament live and I'm just glad that you are still alive Phi. I thought you were gonna have a heart attack

[@onizagru]

I played a ranked match where my opponent was pulling out some old Street Fighter 4 Ultra behavior, and he whooped my ass for the first couple of rounds until I caught on to what he was doing. It's neat to see what kind of behaviors that other fighting game franchise players bring to Tekken 8.

[@castelgelin]

What kind of behaviors?

[@onizagru]

Just the classic of doing a combo, running in on their wake up to grab/frame trap, wake up 'supers' with heat smashes and rage arts, playing the classic SF4 aggression cards. It was kind of neat to see Tekken not played like a cautious footsie game. Though it didn't really work for them in this style of fighting game. @@castelgelin

[@dikkebal]

ghost of standford kelly is still screaming 'Pick a Top Tier''

[@Evilj82]

I always go back to that clip every so often.

[@patricksreels]

an absolute classic

[@CapcomSwagg]

Bro fought a Feng, who is top tier lmao. Y'all keep acting like it ain't skill.

[@Sharkofspace]

@@CapcomSwagg It's not skill. He literally picked King because he wanted to cheese people to death instead of actually learning how to play the game. It's not like that's a secret lol.

[@re-gaming3913]

​@@Sharkofspace If it works even at higher ranks and the character is designed to play this way, can you really call it cheese?

[@fireren25]

Honesty is self applied mental stack. Opponent gets pressure for doing nothing.

[@monocyte2210]

What does "honesty" mean in fgc?

[@shovelhead4201]

@@monocyte2210 Honesty is an arbitrary limit some players put on themselves where they will refuse to use moves or strategies that feel too strong while condemning other players for using those strategies. Honesty is the opposite of cheese and it has no place in a competitive environment (within reason) imo. The devs gave everyone a set of tools to undercut everyone else's tools. No point not using them.

[@Shirikatsu]

@@shovelhead4201 The only useful notion of honesty IMO is in the context of characters, not playstyle. Anyone using honesty as a play-limit is stupid. If you're playing a character, use them, if you want to be honest, play an honest character that doesn't have what one considers cheap or OP.

[@Vespyr_]

​@@ShirikatsuThis is still a form of honesty, and is still self limiting in some way. If the only reason you're not playing Dragunov or something is because he's S+ Tier and he otherwise would fit your playstyle you're going to war with smaller bullets.

[@yaboytony3028]

​@TreyMM-qz4wgNo honesty is game play. Zackray got to where he was with lit because he realized how strong Pits advantage was. If you think getting comboed from 0 to 80 is honest, do I have a bridge to sell you.

[@MostWoap]

One of the most fun things about Tekken and fighting games in general from a spectator standpoint is watching people adjust and figure out what works for them. Even at lower/inexperienced levels it’s so cool to see people’s brains work it’s like doing math in real time

[@petrkucera2426]

Mr. PhiDX. You are literally my Tekken 8 coach. Im attempting a long time to beat my friend on this game, when we are partying. He is goat in this game. We both pre-purchased this game and we are having so much fun. Your guides help me a lot to understand this game more. I still have a lot to learn and he is still punishing every mistake I do, but thats the way how to learn the game mechanics. Thank you so much for your content

[@kayanims]

Sajam has no idea the hornet nest he created by setting up this tournament. He needs direct sponsorship from Bandai Namco

[@fluffyisyermom7631]

Honestly of all the tekken videos ive watched, this was the most helpful. You explain waking up on block. What a punish is and emphasize the mechanics like Your turn Auto grab on armor :) im still having issues with knowing when jts my turn personally but after this video. I feel like i can take that grain of intuition and do better

[@FFXfever]

Nothing I hate more than the worst members of fgc and smash interact. Here's coney, showing good performance due to his solid fgc fundamentals, and here's phix, breaking down his gameplan and explaining his understanding of said fundamentals, but majority of the comment sections are both sides of the communities are at each other's throats and being scrubs.

[@Ghakimx]

Reminder that when Poongko entered the Tekken scene with Akuma, he gave the top players a run for their money. I welcome Coney doing whatever he does best.

[@danlima2068]

Lars CAN block in limited entry, that high kick is a launcher and heads into limited entry because it makes the move safer even on whiff. That’s “safer” not safe. You should be able to launch as when he goes to limited he’s still committing to 16 frames it’s just high crushing. On block it’s plus 4, so he doesn’t get his limited entry options as the mid/low mix is 16f. Remember that it’s limited entry so he doesn’t get to do the mix up for free there if it did get blocked. But he DOES get his low kicks (all minus even on hit) and wake up 4, none of those get him into stance so we’re Gucci even if they do hit….only the while standing 4 will leave him plus 6 on hit, which lets him try for a button into stance. But if you block the move or the next stance attempt it’s your turn. don’t let Lars steal the turn away cause he looks like he’s gonna blow you up. He’s not, he’s minus af Lars can’t block in both his other stances. That important because he only gets to run his offense on HIT. so for the people that struggle against Lars remember that if he hits your block and tries to start going crazy he’s super vulnerable it just looks scary. Launch him like the champs you are friends 🎉

[@tourpS]

Backdashing and whiff punishing is the biggest thing that got me to purple in 5 days. Especially at round start (which Phi already has a video on lol). But often times people at lower ranks will toss out a launcher or jab string right at the start and a single backdash can make that whiff and give you a free punish. If you happen to land a launcher as a whiff punish then you get the start the round with a 40-60% lifelead and you're at or near the wall. It's an insane position to get in the opening seconds of a round. You also don't need to korean backdash a million times either. Just 1 backdash, or 2 if you can cancel even once, is fine in 99% of situations. I've backdashed during people's strings and made them whiff the final hit giving me a free whiff punish. Second thing I think would be pumping the brakes sometimes when you're at full screen away from each other. Just mindlessly running at them with a big running move (unless you're Azucena) is an easy way to get sidestepped or getting stuffed with a big move they just throw out because they're scared. If you just run and stop just out of range of someone they might throw out a move that you can whiff punish again. I'm still doing this to people in high red / purple now. That said, I'll probably be here for a while lol. I think I've reached the point where I need to stop playing Street Fighter and start learning other character's moves and properties.

[@Renegade0Funk]

Great stuff as always man. Your content just keeps getting better

[@fieclaussell9879]

20:09 Against high power crushes like this (or Jin's zen 2, or Hwoarang's backlash), you can do a single jab to freeze the armor move then duck for a ws punish.

[@WeMissDimebag]

Yeah it’s funny because I’m Raijin and basically the only difference I noticed in A LOT of purple players vs red players is that their flowcharts are a little tighter, they run their offense much faster, and they’re way more willing to block. There are some purples that got their by being more solid but honestly for the most part the gap is not that large and if you can just learn how to punish properly and punish people for mashing, you will get to purple with just that.

[@P-Likan]

Very educational and expertly presented. You are a credit to the community, thank you.

[@ICantSpell]

3:48 this is also a huge part of smash bros. Trying to predict wakeups, teched landings, and how someone is going to get up from the ledge plays a HUGE part in maintaining your turn on offense.

[@Renzo9898]

Phi can I just say how good your intros are?! Youre quickly becoming one of my favourite content creator. Glad to see you keep growing!

[@majones117]

People in the comments underselling how much Coney has learned just because he plays King. Go watch his matches from the group stage of the tourney. He knowledge checked people and then adapted his play style to his opponent without any live coaching. He is a smart player and earned his purple rank. Hell, the dude almost never uses any grab but his generic even if it keeps getting broken. He's a legit smart player.

[@weiwu1442]

it goes to show how important pure fundamentals are in tekken.

[@theguardianarchives433]

King is an easy character

[@Vespyr_]

Let's be honest. King carries people. It's really that simple.

[@OctopusH2O]

@@Vespyr_only against unprepared players

[@Vespyr_]

@@OctopusH2O Which is around 99% of players. It's a fighting game. Believe it or not but most people have not so much have done a round of Tekken. So a character like King will absolutely carry you against the great majority of players because he gets major combo damage for free and beats most players buttons.

[@MessiahBoi]

You say it's not to demotivate but goddamnit it's definitely doing that LOL. Then again, when you work full time and go to school full time, you really can't and shouldn't be comparing yourself to someone who's job it is to commentate, entertain, and stream all day! Not taking anything away from him either. He's a great player at any game he plays

[@alex2d]

I knew Coney was going to excel when I watched I think his second night with the game. He recognized opponent habits EXTREMELY quickly, I knew as soon as he learned the answers to what he was seeing instead of just being able to identify them, he'd be a menace.

[@bbqchippiez]

Competitive Smash player here too who's also getting into Tekken. Your guides literally helped me to getting blue ranks in 2 weeks they honestly are super super helpful i love this game lol

[@chiyue5676]

as a tekken player learning smash the latter feels impossible to play so kudos for making the transition

[@dj_koen1265]

@@chiyue5676 smash just requires a very different way of thinking compared to normal fighters just like how tekken and streetfighter require different ways of thinking

[@chiyue5676]

@@dj_koen1265 5-month follow up: after having been to a number of locals (without seeing much success, best result was 3-2), i can confidently say that smash (ultimate at least) has a lot of options that translate across traditional fighters, albeit non conventional. most up-b OOS are essentially reversals and the game surprisingly has elements of footsies and strike-throw mix (although very limited considering how unsafe the majority of moves are on shield/the absence of true block-strings). DI and air dodging is still weird though + hit confirming in this game is even weirder

[@THENIGHTMAREINC]

A friend of mine picked up Tekken for the first time and within a week hit red ranks with Kuma. I was kinda flabbergasted. It took me a year of T7 to hit that bar.

[@zadenhomunculus8652]

Seeing Coney come to TEKKEN and climb the ranks is honestly super hype.

[@RagnellAvalon]

"block on wakeup" that sign can't stop me from pressing ws2,2 on wakeup because I can't read

[@woahblow4127]

Already knew it was King. Grab mixups are one of the biggest parts of smash. Tekken and smash are some of the most movement/distance control games as well

[@woahblow4127]

@TreyMM-qz4wg na grabs are half the game. In every smash game they're the most consistent kill option and damn near every character has multiple ways to kill off a grab at different percents

[@mediaproductionpro]

I’m a fellow smasher, and I honestly play King very similarly. I think that’s just the natural response based on how we are used to interactions working in smash. Props to Coney for hitting purple in 4 days though, that’s crazy.

[@FFXfever]

It's not even a smash thing. Most competitive players of others games that I know immediately pick up the concept of oki. In a game with a bazillion interactions, oki is the only part of the game where the win con is clear, so simplifying it to that is the easiest thing to do. It's basically the same thing as getting a piece ahead in chess and trade down to simplify the game.

[@dasamster]

TL;Dr is play King, spam knowledge checks against newer opponents, win

[@Gekidofury]

All the way to purple?

[@ranges787]

@@Gekidofuryall the way to prime obviously 🙄 let’s be real he could have picked steve and people would come up with some excuse

[@andreirving779]

​@@ranges787"Whine about the character that my lacluster defensive skills are totally trash against" - Tekken Forever

[@jonwhite549]

Smash is lumped in the party/platform genre but as a tekken player since tekken 1, smash can help with reaction timing in any game because the speed and pacing is so much faster than any other fighting game and there’s so much to pay attention to.

[@juhanakaarlehto7754]

13:21 I think coney was fishing for the low wake up attack that dent used earlier

[@Jaynesslessly]

gotta give him props, bro went on twitter, asked for the most braindead character that requires the least amount of effort with the easiest flow chart, and just spammed 6 ish moves to upper intermediate in record time. it really shows how easy it is to break a fighting game if you can embrace cheese

[@kurowkarasu]

If anything it just showcases a bunch of flaws with the game itself.

[@BennyC023]

Bro is in the top 15% of ranked players, stop gatekeeping and just admit he’s good?

[@Heskeyali1]

@@BennyC023 Pretty sure it just shows how rank is an awful reflection of skill at such an early stage of the game. The guy is new to the game, and I think he deserves all the praise in the world for picking it up as fast as he has. However, that doesn't change the fact that regardless of the rank, this was some piss poor Tekken gameplay.

[@BennyC023]

@@Heskeyali1 if you wanna watch top level gameplay; you ain’t gonna find it with a dude who’s just picking up the series.

[@Jaynesslessly]

​@@BennyC023 did you see his twitter post? he literally asked for the most braindead guy to flow chart and straight up said he doesnt want to put in any real effort in winning and only wants to use around 5 attacks, im straight up regurgitating his own words not even intending to discredit him

[@kujakuu]

understanding your character will get you somewhat far, but to actually be good, you have to understand all the other characters

[@Arnuld15Governator]

I'll say one thing that has accelerated me to purple ranks. Just hold back at the start of a round. So many people just love pressing buttons at the beginning of a match. I've had opponents get really frustrated because they expect me to start pressing buttons but I just block. I usually let my opponents have a few free lows, but then I start blocking or low parrying lows during my next match. I'm working on KBD atm but I cannot stress how OP blocking is in Tekken 8.

[@rodionlee2533]

Yeah, just do it with a game plan as random kbd is the easiest way for parking your back next to the wall.

[@monocyte2210]

Or you can dash back at the sart of the round for the safest

[@eggjones6039]

26:00 7 dang seconds to put em in heat 😂

[@durdukyeretahrik]

The rank system in Tekken 8 is quite different from Tekken 7. There are less ranks and you can rank up much faster. Even losing a rank is not that punishing in Tekken 8 because you don't get a hard reset but keep your points so you can immediately get your rank back. Additionally, all system changes and mechanics are making the game easier for beginners/casual players. Any player who learns the basics of the game and is paying attention to what's happening on the screen can get these ranks pretty easily. Many players just ignore the opponents actions and reactions and try to mash their way through with flowcharts.

[@1wakuralain]

Hitting Rage in seven seconds is Absolute King Factor lmao 26:00

[@tobiasvik3278]

I wish I could agree with the statement that you can make it to blue rank by just being aware of frame advantage. But at purple rank it really feels like blind aggression beats out a clever defensive player almost every time. Aggression always keeps you safe and plus in this damn game. I'm stuck on purple, btw. :)

[@Xanek]

A Super Smash Player (Derogatory) Jokes aside, nice that people are noticing Coney. Though Coney said on stream that he doesn't like Tekken and doesn't know if he'll really play it past the Sajam event

[@ruve_9074]

He knows hes about to hit the wall where scrubbing it out wont work anymore

[@WizardyDylan]

bro he has a kid and doesn't wanna learn 3000+ moves to fill out his game

[@kibbylol]

@@WizardyDylan u only use like 8 its more learning matchups and he cant just spam stupid shit and win so its annoying to learn and lab to get better happens with literally every competitive game

[@cloudstrife8436]

why is it derogatory tho? u do know that Harada and tekken team were heavily involved in designing smash right? They are just different styles of games and I like both games. Def. Tekken is much deeper and I personally like it more but that doesn't make smash any less competitive

[@KobunLaunch]

bro its an obvious joke of a youtube comment, no need for a paragraph lmao.@@cloudstrife8436

[@monocyte2210]

Ive been playing tekken since T1. I think T8 has managed to get so many new players to the community. Everybodys welcome here

[@monocyte2210]

Ive been playing tekken since T1. Back then we did not have a lot of resources to really get a deep dice in the game. Now we have so many creators like Phidx creating contrnt and tutorials.

[@anuraexe]

30:08 mom look! i’m in a phidx video because coney passed me in ranked 😂

[@Zel-Veraan]

I'm booting up right now to apply these tips. 8 is my first Tekken game. There's a TON of fundamentals I'm currently lacking but learning to play fighting games well is something I love.

[@Zel-Veraan]

Followed these instructions and IMMEDIATELY ranked up. Standing jab is a super power.

[@nelsoncontreras7047]

I just saw King. And it all made sense

[@Vespyr_]

Yep. That's all this is.

[@CrowleyDX]

True shit, man

[@lukagrlanovic81]

Noob cant tech grabs get gud

[@nelsoncontreras7047]

@@lukagrlanovic81 some king grabs are not predictable sir

[@jimslimtim743]

@@nelsoncontreras7047 I mean correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t they still 50-50’s? It’s not 100% but one out of two you should escape in theory

[@Pavidota]

Every single time someone gets to a decent rank without having a clue what they're doing there always seems to be a certain tiger-masked wrestler involved, I wonder why, such a mystery

[@lukagrlanovic81]

Cause ppl are too stupid to use 10 sec and learn how to tech throws

[@Supersmallpig]

Man this is really important to newbies back to I was a newbie I got hit by same stuff again and again. It could help the newbies build their confidence. ❤

[@lastnamefirstname8655]

very interesting to see how smash players approach games like sf6 and t8.

[@paulolivo9618]

Let’s goo coney! Let’s go phi for the technical explanation for his play style

[@RyanBedecki]

kazuya main in smash on smashbox coming to tekken maining reina, it has been a blast. The concept of neutral helps massively

[@lagiraffthannoo651]

Smash player: *holds back and blocks* Tekken players: OMGGG!!!

[@dtalg]

I know glazing is unreal!

[@hermankermit-warm1121]

It's literally 1% smash experience 99% being King or are we all now saying you can be in masher yellow ranks and you may as well be in purple, do me a favour let's see Mr block break his own throw mixups and hand him Kazuya so he has to, you know, earn damage rather than being given it for spamming 8 moves.

[@Blubbernugget12345]

@@hermankermit-warm1121dude no reason to be salty, I’m a king player and one of the first things I learned was what each break to my throws was, cause if I notice someone breaking with 1 a lot I switch my grabs to 2 breaks or 1+2 breaks. I get there’s players that abuse their tools but almost all of kings grabs function the same way as other characters, you can tell which break it is from either his hands or his moves before the grabs

[@govegan92]

​@@Blubbernugget12345except for the 3 most important throws

[@CONEYZZ]

​@@hermankermit-warm1121You know they hated Picasso for his art, too

[@CapcomSwagg]

Ain't this the guy that did the "do smash players know fighting game characters?" Video?

[@guffingtonreal]

Before I picked up Tekken seriously again, I was pretty good at Little Mac on Smash and various characters in Rivals of Aether and now I'm pretty good at Tekken too.

[@NicoSleepyLeen]

That Lars made me think about how much i dislike Jun and her moves, especially that awful hopkick I've seen it countless times but my brain can't pick it up

[@Vespyr_]

Doesn't this just say more about Tekken 8s over accessibility, and less about anyone's individual skill? Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think a healthy ladder should be this easy for beginners to climb with balanced characters. This is literally my first Tekken and I made it to Mighty Ruler in a month. Is it really the achievement we think it is? It doesn't feel like it is.

[@Vespyr_]

If you say so. I've not played a fighting game since Street Fighter IV, am learning leverless for the first time, and I made it to Purple. But alright. ​@TreyMM-qz4wg

[@FFXfever]

About your second half comment, not necessarily. There will always be a bell curve, with half the player base needing to catch up to people who already have transferable skills. This may be your first Tekken, but I bet it's not your first competitive fighting game.

[@gaberyan6283]

I just got to mighty ruler today on dragonov, I swear to god where the fuck did he find opponets like these? The people I am facing are playing so much better than pretty much anyone shown in this video, this was honestly painful to watch. I think imma try to pickup king that B3 looks particularly broken, from the looks of it, it can't be more than -12 on block, hits mid, clears the entire stage and has a startup of what looks to be 19-22 frames.

[@ChiefTakinawa]

Bro I HATE when my promotion matches are mirror matches lmao good on him 😂😂😂 I wish I had more free time to dedicate to fighting games, but it’s cool to see people who don’t normally play Tekken loving it and not being discouraged.

[@simpson6700]

Mirror matches are fun, i usually just knowledge check my opponent and copy their stuff. It's pretty funny how many people can't deal with their own gimmicks that they've been using for hundreds of matches.

[@kylespevak6781]

7:09 Smash Bros is basically all reads lol

[@NorbertoRivera-mm2qn]

I think its fair how he plays, everyone has a diferent fighting style and he is learning but its also refresing to see a diferent playstyle

[@benjaminbeltran7004]

That tip about losing rounds is SO important. Sometimes i even get happy about losing a round, specially if it's the first round, some people get this fake sense of confidence and they are easier to beat.

[@blueye95]

I recently hit purple as a newcomer, 100 hours in so seeying Coney hit purple so fast was almost a little upsetting. But its fine, more things to learn from ^^ Finnily enough my promo match was also a mirror. He found the hidden cheat code and many things you point out ring true. Matches where i do really well is where i can throw all my strong tools with a few reads here and there (including the power crush :D). Also Oki in smash is called techchasing and thats a fundamental skill in smash, so no mystery it translates well to Tekken.

[@TheXell]

I literally tought a friend about blocking on wake-up yesterday after noticing that he got hit by 2-3 running attacks every time he got knocked down. I shudder to think what entering online-play without knowing this would be like.

[@tenquestionmark_s]

Honestly as a mishima player, I’d love to see you look at Super. He made it to ruler with Reina very quickly and he’s not even that much of a fighting game player.

[@Твибстед]

Hey PhiDX, I recently picked up Tekken 8, and currently am going through the ranks. I am a Dragunov main currently sitting at Cavalry, and after watching this video, I see that you have a very keen eye for small details that "make up the whole product", so to speak. So, seeing as you are an experienced Tekken player, I want to know if I could send you some replays of recent matches to see if there is anything that I do decently, or if there is anything I need to improve upon. If you would rather not (as this could possibly lead your comment section to be filled with a lot of copy-pastes of this kind of message), I respect the decision.

[@emocelot]

Personally, I disagree with the sentiment that you shouldn't learn other characters in order to defend against them. It'll depend person to person, but because I don't really have a main in this game, I'm just playing every character I hate to fight, and personally, as I become more familiar with them, I find knowing how - certain things are, or what is the answer to X sticks in my brain more. For example, when moving from Reina to Bryan, the amount of Reinas who don't rematch after I jet upper FCDF4 certainly stood out.

[@Nova_Afterglow]

19:46 lars players love the feel of pressing buttons. homie was just finishing out his combo even though he had already dropped it. legit ran into a lars player that did the same thing last night. mofo combo'd to the whole other side of the stage with his back completely turned away from me. i just kinda stood there in disbelief before shooting him, (im a vic main)

[@UnksaWhy]

After this guide i got all the characters to god of destruction and my wife come back with the kids and all my debt was paid ty phidx

[@northdakotabeast1547]

Lars' DF+3~f is +8 on hit and transitions into DEN(Dynamic Entry). If you try to hit a button after getting hit by df+3~f, the DEN 1,2 will CH you and heat engage Lars.

[@RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS77]

I feel like I should be using my armor moves as King way more often than I am after watching this

[@KebsCS]

just shows u how far u can go getting carried by a character, forsen stuck on red ranks with steve for weeks, but got to blue ranks with jun in 2 days not even knowing her moves

[@senspideyfan]

I do wonder if there's anyway to tell when you're plus or minus by observation alone. Going to the lab or to the replay to do it seems really inconvenient, and the animations on the characters aren't very clearly indicating when it's their turn or my turn (unless it's obvious like blocking a rage art). I guess I'm wondering if there's anyway I can "learn on the job" and pay attention to specific animations or sound effects instead of memorizing frames in practice mode.

[@LEWfromdaHOU]

You can absolutely learn "on the job".

[@senspideyfan]

@@LEWfromdaHOU Nice that means I'm not wasting my time. I'm still gonna use the training mode for stuff I REALLY struggle with of course but it's nice to know my approach isn't ineffective.

[@assassinonprozac]

You can jab after a move and if it counter hits their jab or d/f 1 or punishes the move you can work your way up from there using increasingly slower moves, you have to really pay attention to what move you counter hit but you can do it (but frankly, this is a more time consuming process than just going to training mode).

[@naindoza]

As a Coney watcher (I hope he will never read this comment) I want to mention that he isn't 'just' a commentator or an average Smash competitor, he used to be a top competitor in Brawl. IIRC he was one of the best players of his character in the world during those times about 100 years ago. This means he has substantially more competitive experience (and maybe 'skill') than many other streamers. Not saying Smash translates well to Tekken but any competitive gaming experience will help out I think (learning new concepts, frame data, punishes, etc). Also one more thing, the chain throw he did vs Feng was the braindead one where you can mash Ki Charge (I think..). You mentioned he learned those but no learning needed there, haha.

[@PhiDX]

I'll send this to him

[@drhighpinger7934]

ranking up with kings makes it 10 times easier.

[@azzor4134]

13:59 I bet that Feng crouched. For some reason, I noticed this as someone stuck in Eliminator - Garyu (100k to 130k prowess) ranked players (edit: this is in South America) like to crouch a lot vs King's heat engager. I think they're too afraid of King's throws or are fishing for a launcher.

[@Wakasan626]

I know kings dash throw is unbreakable but a reasonable amount of players duck after a heat engager because they're not confident with their throws breaks, it's all about reading habits of the opponent

[@SleepyDice]

Ngl, when I saw "solved Tekken" I thought the plugger problem got taken care of lmao.

[@OverlordGattone]

"Defending against a character is different than attacking with a character" Yeah, I play exclusively Yoshimitsu and the only advantage that gives me against him is knowing which moves are punishable and theoretical knowledge of how to beat the situations. But if the reflex is not there it does not help when the attacks are coming in

[@IIRyuujiII]

Is this ''stubborness"? Or does he just not know the next layer to this particular flow chart yet? I dunno. It would have been interesting to see what the response to players that were consistentently punishing him would have been.

[@fluffydestroyer8336]

I got my mum to play tekken 3 against my 7 year old nephew the other day. after I told her what the buttons do she quickly realized how to block my nephew's mashing and punish with a simple punch, and she won thanks to her patience

[@milesmobley9564]

I think almost all fighting games help when it comes to Tekken. I’ve come from UFC and Fight Night. And that helped me with defense, spacing, and countering.

[@Blind_Death]

You say "smash player" then I saw it was Coney...lol. Actually part of why I came back in T7 was Kazuya in Smash

[@realspookyhd9878]

Just made it to purple on Leroy. The tools he has seems to be weak all around or a gimmick in 8 though and I think I may need to consider a new character....

[@Blubbernugget12345]

I played lily recently, and on stream you compared my king to coney and I originally didnt know who that was but after reviewing the footage… yeah us low level kings like to spam power crush cause a lot of people in our ranks apply fake pressure and that’s the easiest way to counter. I’ve been trying to get better at sidestepping and learning which strings to duck, but pressing B3 is so much easier 😂

[@konshance]

As someone on the cusp of garyu. I can tell you as a king main. Literally cant land a hop knee combo yet. All i know is most of the moves for king. Know i shouldnt mash after most of my strings. Focused on defense and attempt some sort of movement cause king movement is bad. And focused on mainly mixing up my grabs between move buffers so its hard for them to tech it. And thats pretty much it. Im still get ROCKED every other game. Its a constant fight ranking up. But it is what it is. Even for king.

[@Craft2299]

This might be patting myself in the back but, whenever I see videos like this where someone explains solving something, like a lifehack in video games and then I already figured it out, if not much further, I kinda feel bad because despite being better than the average, I still feel like im terrible.

[@sstanford1331]

Throws single handedly got me 70% of my losses😂 hasn't stopped me tho

[@FieryAnubis]

As a King main since T1, I'm very proud of Coney.

[@ErraticPillow]

24:22 jun taped forwardf and died, remember jun was doing alot ot f1,2 and was being punished for it, jun didnt realise king wasnt respecting that move and anyway f1,2 is a hit confirm move you rsoposed to use to bait you opponent into pressing longer buttons and then using the 2 to launch, tldr jun presses f because her monkey brain wanted to do f1 again

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodbe5996]

It's weird to see Coney in a Tekken Video... But he's a pretty good king.

[@Cronic16]

King carries hard. He's gonna feel it every time he fights a good legacy player lol

[@hermankermit-warm1121]

Exactly, this is bullshit, explain how you can be in Yellow improve literally zero and get to purple if you're not getting hard character carried, my fucking mum could get King to purple and she's dead.

[@robertjames939]

All these flavors and these two gotta pick salty 😂

[@callanharvey6264]

@@hermankermit-warm1121 bro took this vid personally🤣

[@kgeo2686]

@@hermankermit-warm1121um… watch the video??

[@lostmnt]

@@hermankermit-warm1121 Take away from this video is literaly abuse grabs, mash armor as soon as you get hit and hold block (wake up only) literaly, there is nothing to learn about actual fundamentals and defense. When he plays vs someone that actualy adapts by using more lows and grabs, anyone doing this just dies, this is nothing but a short cut with a massive short coming

[@spectri1990]

Well to be perfectly honest the new purple rank is pretty much the old orange or red rank in tekken 7. Most people mash at those levels so you can just frame trap and kill most people in those ranks. Last king is pretty broken in this game. He has fast low the high crush and counter hit launches. Hop ki k that is 13 frame punishable but most people in purple dont punish correctly so its kinda free. His heat is a scrub killer. His heat smash nukes your health. Also it takes some good fundamentals and skill to play smash at high levels. Bottome line this is t8. You don't need too many interactions to to win a round in king is a character that takes games really fast

[@KITSVNE_FM]

great fucking vid bro. just subbed. so much value in this vid!!!! looking forward to more vids from you

[@CreamyFSGaming]

Punish game also seems to work wonders! People love to throw out their coolest moves. (which are usually punishable) You gotta work for those situations.

[@starb4453]

Watching those games got me like "Do i want to be right or do i want to win" 😅