A Song of Ice and Fire: Tabletop Miniatures Game - Game Play Overview

Watch It Played is a series designed to teach and play games. In this episode we're going to provide an overview of the game A Song of Ice and Fire: Tabletop Miniatures Game which is on Kickstarter at the time of this recording. Join us as we run through a full round of play!
You can visit the kickstarter page here: cmon.co/asoiftmg
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[@JohnPappas]

Lot of people are talking about the cost of this game. Just a heads up, check with your local library. I'm a librarian and we circulate board games, RPGs, and purchase tactical miniature games like this for in-house play. We have the Stark v Lannister and the Night's Watch Start Sets. This overview is included with the material we circulate. Just wanted to thank Rodney and Pep for putting this material out. It is always a huge benefit to libraries.

[@MrBlef666]

funny how Rodneys videos are much better then CMON videos on presenting the rules of the game...I think they just should hire you as a regular

[@eric949800]

"Winds of Winter has a secret deck". For lovers of the books, that's perfect! But would be better if the secret deck was always going to be made available "next year"! Great video!

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thanks for checking it out Eric!

[@ramonserna8089]

Yesss!! I've been waiting for this game for months now.

[@nogps1225]

So stoked for this game. Thanks for the good overview.

[@WatchItPlayed]

You're very welcome!

[@paulvidal3679]

Excellent video. You guys played it flawlessly, and it looks like an amazing game!

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thanks for the kind words Paul!

[@ForgottenNoble]

This game is amazing

[@reuelsolomon9049]

Thanks Rodney thanks to you I was able to pledge to the Kickstarter of "song of ice and fire the game looks amazing .thank you Rodney .

[@WatchItPlayed]

+Reuel Solomon Hope you enjoy the game when it is delivered!

[@user-ht3uf1gt4l]

Thanks for the video, you guys are great! Ya'll helped me learn Zombicide and really start getting into board games.

[@WatchItPlayed]

So glad you've been enjoying the hobby Greg (and our videos!)

[@monkeywizard77]

"GoT" mine delivered yesterday, thanks for the video.. sifting through the rule book now.. I got so much for my $150 pledge, I seriously thought they mis-shipped me extra stuff!

[@WatchItPlayed]

I hope you have a great time with it! Do keep in mind that the rules we show here are based on an early version of the rules at the time, and many things have likely changed :)

[@YoshMaster]

Looks super cool, really deep!

[@ck702]

I'm way late to seeing this video, but I wish I had seen it sooner. This is by far the best video showing the gameplay of this game, and it is the first that actually makes me want to play it.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thanks for checking it out - glad you liked it!

[@tutiostreamplay8128]

Hello have you another video talking about NCU and there cards rules?

[@WatchItPlayed]

This is the only video we made for this game.

[@chuckeldridge4981]

As always the best most informative videos

[@WatchItPlayed]

Very kind of you to say Chuck! Keep in mind, this particular video was shot during the Kickstarter for the game, so the final rules will have some changes.

[@Lannes03]

Looks Pretty Good! Gonna have to back this : ))) The quality of the Figs and the Quantity you get make this a Great deal for the minis Alone. On top of that we also get all the unlocked stretch goal miniatures and this thing is gonna blow through quite a few of those! Its already exceeded its funding goal and the sun hasn't even set on day 1 of 23!

[@BlackfyreProductions]

That's a great overview of the game! I thoroughly enjoyed watching it and can't wait to try out the game myself! Oh and some of the stretch goals! I'll probably be doing battle reports for the game when released, so excited for it! - Adam

[@WatchItPlayed]

Glad you enjoyed what you saw!

[@BlackfyreProductions]

Watch It Played Very much so! Looking forward to further content! What was your overall thoughts on the game?

[@WatchItPlayed]

My show is a little different, as I don't review on this channel. I talk a bit about that here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmGvp2uCfcaXg8U&t=10m55s

[@ErrantSquire]

This game IS Warhammer Fantasy Battle (WHFB) with political intrigue & some arguably simpler/better rules. Of course all of us know that it has turned into Kings of War as Games Workshop no longer supports it. When I see a game like this it makes me think that CMON might be targeting that hole in the market for a ranked units tactical game. With the IP of Game of Thrones I think that they're hoping to bring people in that may not know that they'll like miniature war gaming. The game is already set up to use a lot of the terrain that war-gamers have sitting around or that your LGS has available that's not getting as much use these days. The game looks like it'd be an ok game for those that want a single table top experience as well. The average Warhammer game takes between 2-3 hours and something tells me that this will be a bit of a time commitment which may put off some board game players that are aiming for that 1-hour experience.The main challenge I see is that other companies have tried to break into the mini war gaming realm and it's a tough market. I still have a bunch of GW LOTR stuff up in my closet because it's daunting to think about painting up all those units for a game that no one plays. Other games like X-Wing, Warmachine, Malifaux, Infinity, and Relic Knights are skirmish based which means a lower model count. Less models is a lot easier for me to deal with and it feels more like every model on the table matters. I played WHFB for many years and although having a fully painted army on the table looked great and made me feel good, it didn't feel good to see units which were essentially cannon fodder. This game is a high model count game and features a lot of the tactics that you use in WHFB, I hope it does well and I'll probably throw in on it.Here's some of the things I notice that this game fixed from WHFB. Movement is a lot better and makes more sense. In WHFB your unit could only charge units that it could see and it could only see in its front arc. That's like saying a people can't look to their flank. In SoIF you get a lot of free wheels which means that you can always charge something if you're close enough. They also included variable charges although failing every charge 1/6 times might not be a great gameplay mechanic. Combat rolls seem to be much more efficient needing only rolls to do damage and rolls for saves whereas WHFB needs 3 rolls for every exchange. Morale tests will make more sense as they want high numbers compared to WHFB wanting low numbers. There's no confusing retreats where you lose control of your unit, you choose when to retreat and when you lose combat you just lose more models. It's also arguable that the magic in WHFB is replaced with the much more engaging political intrigue in SoIF.

[@Sacrilege83]

People don't like that the factions are all humans and that there isn't any magic. I couldn't care less about that sort of stuff because I'm a ASOIAF fan as well as Warhammer. I would appreciate a game without overpowering magic spells.

[@yeeoldeseabass]

ErrantSquire more like Warhammer Ancient Battles.

[@hardyworld]

I generally agree with you. I'm a big WHFB fan that is still mourning its demise. I am interested in FFG's Runewars Miniatures Game and CMON's SoIF Miniatures games because they are both board game companies trying to capitalize on in that ranked miniatures battle niche that was abandoned by GW. However, after watching several reviews of both games, neither Intellectual Property interests me as much as Warhammer and neither game appears they will adequately scratch my Warhammer itch. I wish both of them well, but I'll stick with 8th Ed. until further notice (it still has much to offer....if I can find opponents).

[@dr3dg352]

This game looks really fun! When I first read A Game of Thrones in 2014, I really wished for a tabletop miniatures game of these great armies. Can't wait until I can afford the starter game! I also really like how you guys imagine the story as opposed to just thinking about the numbers.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thanks Alex, glad you enjoyed.

[@anderspedersen7661]

For a miniature wargame this actually looks quite good! How many points were spent on the armies in the video and how many points does the system support?

[@WatchItPlayed]

25 Point armies were shown here. For larger battles you can go much higher.

[@MelodicMethod]

What is, roughly, the highest point value you can build with the units in the box? Thanks!

[@paulvidal3679]

Jim Auer people who pledge the "Hand of the King" get all that you see in the video, plus an extra unit each of both Sworn Swords and Lannister Guardsmen, PLUS a ton of attachment characters and Noon Combat Unit Characters PLUS four full new units that haven't been featured here. So if you back the Kickstarter with the $150 pledge you'll have enough to field two 50+ point armies.

[@zazyman]

Ah, I can see that you've used the two layers of the table to great effect (First martians). Must've been a good investment!

[@WatchItPlayed]

It's been VERY helpful in cases like this.

[@TheSupertedd]

Cheers for the write up, looks great.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@igcon4491]

Great gameplay going to pickup this game the minis look awesome.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thanks for checking it out!

[@gurtana]

I like the look of this

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thanks for checking out the video!

[@maxnachname5384]

This looks amazing

[@WatchItPlayed]

+Max Nachname Thanks for checking out the video!

[@FuckGaryTanguay]

Great preview of how the game works. Definitely influenced my decision to back this kickstarter (my first one). Where did you get or make those sweet open ended dice rolling trays?

[@WatchItPlayed]

Those are actually picture frames, on their side with the glass removed (and fabric put in their place :) ). Glad you liked the video!

[@FuckGaryTanguay]

Great! Thank you very much for the reply!

[@GentlemenAtPlay]

So, will this game be available only if you supported the kickstarter or will you be able to get it normally in stores as well?

[@WatchItPlayed]

In stores as well, for sure.

[@SeveredBooks]

Wondering how/when are the tactics cards played? Do you just play them instead of activating a unit?

[@WatchItPlayed]

Sorry, this isn’t a tutorial video, but an overview of the game that was made during the kickstarter. You’d need to check the rule book for those details.

[@bernardorippe7024]

Thanks for this video, could be nice that you present how to play with the revised new rules.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thanks for checking it out!

[@longwarvet6335]

KickStarter is going on now! Great initial range of miniatures for those that are considering getting into the game. www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/a-song-of-ice-and-fire-tabletop-miniatures-game

[@wolfandfx8846]

The way this game is packed in the box reminds me of the Conan game from a few years back. Can anyone tell me if they are 28 mm and how do they compare size wise and proportions to whiz kids or reaper bones or even the Conan game miniatures? Any help would be deeply appreciated thank you

[@WatchItPlayed]

The version I had at the time was the kickstarter prototype, so I don't have those now to check for you, I'm afraid.

[@teekcooper1473]

Can I ask where you guys got that dice tray? Looks perfect for wargaming.

[@WatchItPlayed]

That is a picture frame that I took the glass out of, replacing it with fabric.

[@teekcooper1473]

Watch It Played Oh wow. That ledge is perfect for setting aside successes that will need to be blocked.

[@kristianrother]

First of all...awesome production Rodney. I'm quite surprised by the negative feedback. I dabble in miniature games and play quite a few board games. I have a couple of Warhammer Fantasy armies collecting dust. This system actually seems great and I say that as someone who usually prefers non-tray miniature games like Infinity or 40k. The off the map influence board seems neat and thematic and the tactics cards are great. The minis also look great and the I&F IP is nice as well. I love that all the information is on the cards no extra ramy or rulebooks to consult. My gut feeling is that this game will have some depth and be reasonably easy to explain. I wasn't really a huge fan of the original Zombicide and still think it's a bit stale (I enjoy Black Plague a good bit more). This looks a lot more like Blood Rage on the "will the mechanics be lame or fun" scale of things. I am very worried about balance though.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Did you end up giving it a try?

[@Bloodthirstier]

I really hope my local store gets into this. I miss playing wargames but quite after Age of Sigmar came out for Warhammer. This might be enough to lure me in.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thanks for checking out the video. The Kickstarter page has a special deal for retailers who want to offer the game to their customers through this project.

[@Bloodthirstier]

I will consult with them. I am not interested in the Lannisters so it would be great to split the game 50/50

[@hpyle5592]

Wow, two videos in one day! Is today Canadian Christmas or something....?

[@WatchItPlayed]

You must have been good this year!

[@MrReddy64]

Can a fallen commander be revived and added back to a unit or are they eliminated completely from the game? Thanks!

[@WatchItPlayed]

The cards we saw didn't seem to have an effect like that, but I wouldn't count out the possibility in the future.

[@Arachnomen]

Great video! A couple of questions! How big are the infantry bsses? How big are the cavalry bases? How big are the trays? How big are the terrain pieces? And near the end the Stark side used a card with Robs abillity, even though he was dead by then, so are the card abillities disconnected to the need of having the designated unit left of the board? I have pledged for the Ks already, but this video got me even more excited!

[@WatchItPlayed]

Hey Kallstrom, after shooting the video, we had to send the prototype pieces back, so I can't do any measurements for you, I'm afraid. The cards in your tactics deck are based on the Commander you started with. If the Commander dies, you only lose the specific Commander attachment card (not the tactics cards as well). Hope that helps!

[@Arachnomen]

Ah I see, well thanks for the information! Cheers!

[@newworld75]

Would it be worth buying two core sets for some of the scenarios or is one core set enough?

[@WatchItPlayed]

More core sets allows you to play bigger armies, but I refrain from trying to assess the worth for our viewers, as that will come down to your individual interests.

[@gunplaygaming2749]

Hey dovm you have to buy the game or can you just buy units with cards etc?

[@WatchItPlayed]

I believe the base set comes with all of the tokens and tools you'd use to measure and track the game, but you can buy individual units with their cards as well. Some units may be exclusive to the main core set.

[@DavidSmith-te9gg]

How did you use Robs ability when he had earlier dies?

[@WatchItPlayed]

Tactics cards the Commander adds to your deck are not removed when the commander dies - just the card specifically for that character, which was attached to the unit.

[@andraslibal]

Very informative. Thanks.

[@WatchItPlayed]

You're welcome - I think the game has changed quite a bit since it's final retail release, but this should give you a good idea of the basics.

[@andraslibal]

@@WatchItPlayed I am into Bolt Action and not at all into Warhammer but this seems like a more fun to play than Warhammer and in a setting that might entice non-tabletop gamer friends to try :)

[@haldir8103]

i really like this game but i have a questions. is going to be only two factions?

[@WatchItPlayed]

No, other factions are planned - in fact a 3rd faction was unlocked during the campaign.

[@reuelsolomon9049]

And do the other sets on the page come with it to?

[@WatchItPlayed]

The stretch goals get unlocked as more money is donated to the project. Some sets will automatically come with the kickstarter when you back it at the regular amount because they got unlocked. OTehre are called "add-ons" and cost extras. From some of your questions I've seen posted here, I think perhaps you aren't familiar with how Kickstarters work, and that's a big enough topic that I can't really explain it all in the comments of this video. You might find it helpful to do a couple of quick google searches on common questions about Kickstarter, which can probably give you the help you need.

[@David-cz7mm]

This back and forth between you two was so awesome and fun to watch 😂🥳👍🏼 I’m wondering, if this game is really that fun, or just if I watch you guys playing it 🤔😂

[@WatchItPlayed]

A game IS made more fun by the people you play it with, that's for sure!

[@MattiaPiola]

Damn you guys. Now I want it. Badly.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Ha! Well, either way, thanks for checking the video out :)

[@franzmann3744]

The starks ripping them Lannisters a new one.

[@mpelka]

Hello Rodney! That dice tray impressed me more than the game XD Where do I find one like that???

[@WatchItPlayed]

Glad you liked it :) It's a tray I made by taking a picture frame, and laying it down (and replacing the glass with cloth)!

[@shinraco]

Good video, guys.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thanks Harry!

[@mattcappelli5822]

Super easy to follow. Very helpful. Will you guys be reviewing the Harry Potter miniatures game?

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thank you for the kind words! We don't generally announce our videos ahead of time, so I can't say for sure! Thanks for the interest though!

[@TrashDaddy629]

The game isn't the hard part. The hard part is finding someone ELSE who was willing to take out a second mortgage to pay for their own set.

[@bgm-1961]

One copy of the game is enough for two players, unless I'm missing something.

[@shaneannigans]

One day someone will make a miniatures skirmish/war game with some kind of AI or app and I'll be all-in. Until then, I agree, it's hard to invest heavily when you're not sure if you'll find other players.

[@RollingSolo]

Shane Annigans Fallout Wasteland Warfare ;)

[@horacethehippo2445]

Your crazy if you think these are expensive for miniature gaming. Try warhammer 40k and play tyrannies then come back to me

[@WatchItPlayed]

You end up giving it a try?

[@haldir8103]

I wondered if you are going to make a second video with the new rules?

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thanks for the interest. I avoid pre-announcing games I might feature as my schedule an change and I don't like to disappoint.

[@haldir8103]

okay thank you i hope to see it soon

[@jstroketillyayoke]

random question, you guys are from eastern Canada aren't you? I'm guessing Nova Scotia?

[@WatchItPlayed]

I grew up in Nova Scotia. Now in PEI :)

[@jstroketillyayoke]

I can tell a blue noser easier then lot of people can tell Newfoundlanders ahaha.m

[@asowle]

Massive tray`s..!!! also i enjoy the TV show, so the art work is like " which one is that" so its a shame its not the tv series...

[@iamlordstark]

This game looks like so much fun! I would love to get it when it actually becomes available. Don't feel comfortable with Kick-starters :(

[@WatchItPlayed]

CMON has a pretty proven track record for delivery, but it will be available at retail as well, so you've got options!

[@CultistGrenadier]

could they be kitbashed/used as 9th age units/AOS units?

[@WatchItPlayed]

Most likely.

[@CultistGrenadier]

@@WatchItPlayed So they arent too big in scale? Couldnt find any reference on the internet....

[@WatchItPlayed]

@@CultistGrenadier Ah, I'm not sure about the size comparisons, sorry - wasn't thinking about it from that angle.

[@marcelloconte5588]

What's the measure of miniatures? Like 28mm ,32mm or?

[@WatchItPlayed]

32mm

[@marcelloconte5588]

Thx! Do you know when will be avaible ?

[@WatchItPlayed]

You'll want to keep an eye on the Kickstarter page for the game, for that. They will post updates there.

[@reuelsolomon9049]

Am able to buy the game now?

[@WatchItPlayed]

Hey Reuel, you'll find that information here: www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/a-song-of-ice-and-fire-tabletop-miniatures-game

[@Ceahorse]

Is that 150usd price tag accurate? Seems a bit high. Might/t just be MSRP.

[@WatchItPlayed]

That's the price it shows for it. Seems similar to other prices I've seen online too.

[@Ceahorse]

I guess it's to be expected. CMON don't make cheap games. But the price tag has discouraged me. Rather just play Battlelore. But the politicians in this game add a nice dimension. As do the customization of the unit squads.

[@killgun2]

did the rules changes this much since the demo of CMON convention? flanking and charging was different with auto hits. and failed morale made you lose an entire rank

[@WatchItPlayed]

What you see here are the rules at the time of this video's recording.

[@NevTheDeranged]

I don't even watch GoT, but this game looks pretty cool.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Glad you liked checking it out!

[@Drizna]

Hey Rodney. Long time no speak. How have you been? Just out of curiousity two questions. One for the game is How does the game end? Is it like Warhammer where you play x amount of rounds, then compare scores? Or can you do Warhammer 40K style which is you can play until annihilation of the other army? O.k. so three questions. :P Next question is, Where's luke? Did he lose interest in helping you make vids, or did life take over, and made him busy? O.k. four questions. I apparently can't count. :)

[@WatchItPlayed]

I don't know the rules for all the modes of play. For the scenario we were playing here - it's a set number of points (or you could wipe the other team out). Luke is getting older and so his time is much less free (and the videos are very time consuming), but as he's able and the game suits, he'll be back I'm sure.

[@johnsmith3085]

I see this going the way of X-Wing. Cool idea, great minis. And I'd get the characters to paint, but I don't want entire armies of nobodies. Any chance you guys are going to do a bit on Massive Darkness?

[@WatchItPlayed]

I avoid pre-announcing in case something in my schedule changes (I don't like to disappoint).

[@marshallmanna]

Would have like to see Greywind in action..

[@WatchItPlayed]

Sorry about that!

[@surful]

Nice game if you're a game of thrones person and a wargamer i think you would buy it., And $150 is nothing compared to the cost of other wargames.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thanks for checking out the video!

[@justwannabehappy6735]

I seriously don't understand the beef people have with this game. Maybe most of the people disliking it aren't into wargaming ? As a wargamer, see no problem with this game.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Every game will always have people who don't like it and people who love it. Just the way it goes. Enough different types of games for everyone's particular interests :)

[@ericcook8254]

Just from. Being on the Kickstarter before changing my mind (I own to many wargames I don't have time for) a lot of people still think it's a board game and don't know what wargaming is. I think it looks amazing and if I had a grand to drop on it and had people near me interested in it id have two decent sized armies. It's very 8th edition Warhammer and CMON did a great job making it their own. I love the added tactics cards.

[@timothyzufelt955]

See, I had to pick between this and the new lord of the rings game today, and I honestly prefer this. It's so thematic and more tactical! It feels like some just wanted another "we smash you" style game. Ps. I also feel like the LotR mini game was just warhammer Tolkien edition

[@CastelDawn]

@@timothyzufelt955 that's a pretty ignorant comment, middle earth is more a skirmish game.

[@Slaitaar]

Jaime can kill any unit attachment, even a commander on a 3+? Stuff like that is an auto-"nope not buying" for me!

[@WatchItPlayed]

Glad the video was helpful, thanks for checking it out.

[@mafost26]

I was miffed about it too but then I thought about it and all it's going to do is make you think a little harder about how to engage his unit. The only reason Jaime got the free shot in this video is because his Halberdier unit was charged from the front, triggering their special ability. Obviously that wasn't a good idea tactically but this video was just for demonstration purposes. You could throw lots of units with no attachments at him, soften him up with ranged units before delivering a decisive charge from the flank, etc. It makes sense from a theme standpoint too because in the books Robb openly avoided direct, 1v1 conflict with Jaime and wasn't even shy about it.

[@stevepruneau6561]

Expensive game.. not one to add to my collection anytime soon, but in the long run, I have seen the CMON demo before and now I understand more about the game, so looking forward to buying it in the future. :D

[@oswaldosalinas1992]

Can you send to México?

[@WatchItPlayed]

We don’t make the games, we just create videos about them. You’d need to talk to the publisher, or a store, if you wanted to buy this.

[@oswaldosalinas1992]

Thank you.

[@Fearior]

Pre-colored and assembled

[@confidentinterval3603]

Watching this because I'm thinking of buying it now. But for any of you MTG players, you know how much the keyword Banding triggered me.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Keep in mind, they've changed some of the rules since this video was created, but it should still give you a good idea of the game play.

[@reuelsolomon9049]

Can I ask if you like the game and think it's good and if you can't answer because of the fact that they paid you to make the video then I anderstand

[@WatchItPlayed]

+Reuel Solomon It's not really about payment, I just don't use this channel to review or recommend games. My hope is that I can share enough information about the game that you can assess whether the game would suit your particular tastes.

[@ilqrd.6608]

when I see someone pull out a measuring tape I opt out. It's just a bit too much

[@WatchItPlayed]

We're always glad to help someone figure out whether or not a game is for them!

[@benfoster6715]

I know this is just licensed fodder, but how and why is a model on a battlefield influencing politics

[@WatchItPlayed]

Sorry if that wasn't clear in the video, but models like Cersai and Catelyn influence the politics of the world, which trickles down to effects on the battlefield (not the other way around).

[@Teilnehmer]

This is far from licensed fodder. Judging from the rulebook it's going to be one of the best licensed games out there.

[@benfoster6715]

Teilnehmer It certainly looks like one of the best of the new crop of boardgame-y miniature games!

[@mattlowder]

CMON is losing their way. Number one, too expensive. Number two, I'm never playing a game where I push a tray around the table. Nope.

[@TheMrE]

matthlowder I'm not sure if you are aware that there is a big segment of gamers who play only miniature games in the style of Runewars, Warhammer 40k, StarWars: X-Wing, StarWars: Armada. Those systems are all expensive. This game is for them.

[@WatchItPlayed]

I'm sure Matt was just speaking from his own point of view, about his personal preferences. There will be many people who won't find this too expensive, and who won't be bothered by the trays. That's the nice thing about this hobby, what one person can't stand, someone else will adore. Lots of great options for everyone's particular interest.

[@mattlowder]

TheMrE respect for the lovers of this style. I know all about minis. I like Malifaux, but that's as far as I go in that gaming medium. I can't see getting this to the table in my personal group regularly enough to merit the cost. Cheers, everybody.

[@CastGamingVideos]

Clearly never played Warhammer Fantasy... Or anything Games Workshop related...

[@RoderickEtheria]

Is there too much sex in this game? There is in the television series.

[@WatchItPlayed]

We came across no sex in the game. Everyone is also fully clothed. Can't speak to future models.

[@javierper3z]

Watch It Played well, this comes from the books, while the mandatory naked ladies belong to HBO, I believe