A STARGATE Tale Left Untold (Dial the Gate)

IN STARGATE ATLANTIS' second season the team discovered a second city ship built by the Ancients, largely identical to Atlantis itself, buried for millennia on a forested world in the Pegasus Galaxy. Where did it come from? What was its purpose, and was it once inhabited by Lanteans? If Atlantis itself was not one-of-a-kind ... how many of these things are out there?
In this conversation with "Dial the Gate," SGA writer and executive producer Joseph Mallozzi answers fans' questions about the show's second season - including "The Tower," the rediscovery of Ancients (and Ancient tech) in "Aurora," and much more.
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THANK YOU for watching! "Dial the Gate" also recently caught up with Stargate Atlantis actor Paul McGillion ("Dr. Carson Beckett"). Check out this clip to watch Paul and David play a little Stargate trivia: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoeyoYCbotyKn80

[@PathsUnwritten]

They also never revisited the huge ruined Lantean city on Athos. Strange considering the large role the Athosians played in the series

[@williamweckel8140]

I was just gonna ask this exact question!!!

[@TheMAZZTer]

Headcanon: The Wraith may have been active on the planet making it too risky to go back, especially since the Athosians can tell them that there's nothing interesting (to them) there.

[@limiv5272]

I may be wrong, but wasn't it an Athosian city ruined long ago after the rise of the Wraith?

[@williamweckel8140]

@@limiv5272 It was a Lantean city on Athos, not an Athosian city. I don't remember the exact details tho. I do know the episode it's from and that's season 1 episode 1. All that could be seen of the structure was the central spire. The rest of it had been "reclaimed" by the planet.

[@yuanmeng2445]

We know there were outposts throughout the galaxy but most were destroyed in the war. We can assume there are plenty of outposts remaining that aren't fully destroyed.

[@TJMODLA]

I thought the Canon reason you couldn't recharge ZPMs was because they were a one-time-use. They accessed their own pocket Dimension and once that Dimension was out of energy, they were fully depleted for good. I'm pretty sure Rodney addressed that in one of the episodes.

[@remington910]

Yes, I remember the same thing...

[@TriNity-GER]

Makes indeed sense! Though one gotta ask then: Why can't the ZPM switch to another pocket dimension to draw power from? In the end ZPMs shouldn't be overpowered so it makes sense that they have limitations.

[@jacobwhogivesadamn1893]

More so I think they should have been looking for where they make the zpms. Gotta be a factory somewhere right? Right???

[@ImperativeGames]

True, but this question can be interpreted as "How to charge (create) ZPM's pocket dimension?"

[@Isaacmantx]

@@jacobwhogivesadamn1893 they found where they were making them. The solar system that Rodney Mckay accidentally blew up was a facility to produce ZPM’s

[@InternationalKarl]

They need to bring back Stargate period!!

[@allanallen1835]

They are, amazon bought it and are making a new series, they don't know if they are going to carry on the storyline from where we left it or re do the lot which would be awful.

[@jimmyhtor9365]

Initial discovery of ZPM: *unlimited energy*. One of the next episodes: it's empty 🤣 Tststs Mankind and energy usage 😉

[@jojosistig4278]

Zpm takes his energy out of a macro universe with zero point energy, so it’s True That it has unlimited power but it can also get empty so you have unlimited energy for time x

[@William-Morey-Baker]

@@jojosistig4278 micro-verse... some say tiny-verse, but those chumps are all stuck in my micro-verse making power for my intergalactic gate

[@Josh-oj9mm]

In some scenarios it would make sense. The ZPM for example only holding off the wraith for a few days not because it actually ran out, but because the ZPM has so much energy, s like wiring a light bulb to a nuclear power plant and the wire and the bulb are broken and worn out, except that power plant is inside a pocket dimension and you have now lost your mechanical connection to it. There will also need to be an energy conversion from zero-point energy to actually usable electric energy and the mechanism for that may also be worn out

[@ThomasCr0ss]

ZPMs would be too overpowered if they could be recharged (with a Star as Destiny does). Every ship could do that. Your shields are unpenetrable, your weapons cut through one shot Hives but, Oh No! Your ZPM is on 10%! Jump in HyperSpace to a Star, Recharge and head back on. Also the Hologram says when asked about the Defeat of the Ancients: "They couldn't create ZPMs fast enough to counter the Wraith offensive". If they could recharge them, she would say that "recharge" instead "create". Sooo, they kinda answered the question in the very first episode! :D

[@tomcat124us]

They were OP and Todd told their weakness in using them... Ancients would use more Z.PM. powered ships into deeper enemy territory and they (wraith) would trap and ambush them and steal the Z.P.Ms to build their Ship, Tech and Clones. Aurroa class battle ships weren't equipt with extra galactic hyperdrives to keep the wraith from learning from it. Only from Aurroa Crew knowledge were they able to modify their own ships to reach the milky way.

[@TheMAZZTer]

Headcanon: ZPMs can't be recharged; you need to make a new pocket universe and assemble a ZPM casing around it to get a new ZPM. ZPMs either can't be charged or the Atlantis team has to find a way even the Ancients couldn't. This would explain why they never figure out how to do it if they basically have to make new ones from scratch (and perhaps have never found the specialized facility the Ancients built to do so... or maybe the Wraith destroyed it,).

[@czbuchi86]

yea .. im imagining that they where groving ZPMs like crystals grow and need like 50 years to do that ....

[@thanksfernuthin]

I've mentioned this before. The first thing you'd search for in the Ancient Data Base would be "How to construct a ZPM." Especially since they were going down due to lack of one. I know why in real life they needed the scarcity of the ZPMs. But I wanted an in story reason. It seemed too obvious to ignore.

[@FlyingwithFire]

It could be they didn't know the ancient word for zpms. Or it was common knowledge and not included

[@thanksfernuthin]

@@FlyingwithFire Yeah. I can think of a bunch of reasons. I wanted an in universe reason. Otherwise people should be constantly asking... "How do we make more ZPMs?" anytime that was a plot device.

[@maxrander0101]

they do mention at one point that parts of the data base are locked or missing so i think the info on the ZPMs might of been within those locked out files or even have been deleted to keep the tech out of others hands

[@kurntechdouglas233]

It was mension

[@thanksfernuthin]

@@maxrander0101 True. But each episode after that point should have been "We need to find out how to make new ZPMs". It should have consumed them. Along with finding new ones. If they discovered a reason... like... "To make ZPMs you need a massive city sized facility at the event horizon of a black hole. A facility that would take thousands of ancients decades to build and by design would be destroyed by the black hole after making a couple thousand ZPMs." Then they wouldn't even try to make them and just search for new ones. A terrible explanation? Probably. That's why I really wanted a great explanation from the talented writers. Maybe I'm the only one that found it distractingly odd. If I am... sorry I wasted everyone's time.

[@rtyler1869]

Considering that Alantis was actually a giant space ship that could travel intergalactic I like the idea that the second tower was a second ship looking the same outside, but slightly different interior wise. Kind of like how two Star Fleet ships of the same class all look alike, but each is the same interior wise, but slightly different

[@whirledpeaz5758]

US Navy ships are like that too. Outwardly, ships of the same class look the same unless you know what to look for. Inside the layout changes based on lessons learned from previous ships of the class.

[@ParanoidCarrot]

It always grinded my gears that they got a ancient it blew up, they could have had like 10 of them but like do they have the man power to use them, people with the gene to operate it, and so on, or had orion be like this big project to keep float. because even 12 ships in total would have still been crushed in a all out war, and the gate bridge should be a thing, it just needs to be like real reason to only use it in emergenzies, like they have finite ammount of dials before a ship needs to go and refuel them for lack of a better word. the midway takeover episode was super cool. Also Also i would love to see a stargate series that would focus on a small crew that on a mission discover some ancient tech and plans and as they bring stuff back their discovery is kinda dismissed but carter or mkay is there and they figure the plans out and it would be for like a max 12 crew ship thats ZPM operated, and they after some drama get support to build it but its more of a permissio to build it but they dont have the resourses so then it would be a scaveger hunt in both galaxies for the missing tech and resourses. TLDR: they are form a new branch of the stargate program, and first its just like 2 or 3, four person squads, and their focus is to get that ship done. they could have like blank hull but nothing else to start with, and the old regulars would be quest-stars.

[@suzrad6643]

Thank you, always enjoy your videos! I hope that when they bring it back they discover more of the city; I’m sure it holds many things and even maybe how or where they get their ZPM’s and other techno gadgets that would help earth from either other enemies or major disasters. Something new to explore! Happy Holidays!

[@nihilityjoey]

To be fair. I've never thought why they didnt ask how to charge the zpms. I think it's pretty clear you dont recharge them. They are used till expiration.

[@josipbroztito6763]

SPACE COPPERTOP

[@ryanjames170]

with the being said it would of been even interesting to have gotten the ancients to have said it was a place that was destroyed, perhaps leading to the siege/evacuation of Atlantis. something like well its this place, and maybe later in the episode they go there only to find its been destroyed or something like that.. would of answered a question of how they were made and why there are so few for fans

[@dustojnikhummer]

McKay said they are miniature universes that get drained until they reach entropy They are giant alkaline batteries.

[@nihilityjoey]

@@ryanjames170 Its been explained. The lab to make zpms in atlantis is hidden out of phase. Much like Janus's lab.

[@jamesfcarlton6890]

@@nihilityjoey *Yeah I remember that but thanks for the info.*

[@andrewthomson5266]

I always thought that the ZPMs were like non-rechargeable batteries that explode if you try to charge them. So the answer would be you can't recharge ZPMs.

[@seecumloo]

my question is zpm becomes depleted it's a dead battery basically and they can't be recharged ,what I don't understand is there in the crowned city of the ancients why was there not specs in the city computer on how to build new zpm why was there no spare zpm lying about in the city in storage as such?

[@andrewthomson5266]

@@seecumloo I would expect something like that. If not in the main database then in the hidden lab McKay and Jackson found.

[@Gpz0]

I always imagined that ZPMs would have an unbelievable energy cost to even initialize, for example sacrificing an entire star to power the process needed to create the artificial dimension the ZPM uses, so recharging one would be seen as a non starter since the SGC is only comfortable with sacrificing planets, not stars. lol

[@aziris7257]

It wouldn't explode, nothing would happen. The energy inside the ZPM is not explosive, it's quantum. Which means that as long as no stimulation that disturbs the quantum wave of the ZPM is applied, it is inert and will not leak energy. But to cause this disturbance, you need to know how it works. The Tauri knows this because they studied the Ancient Control Chair in Antarctica after it was used to fend off Anubis. There is a video that explains how the ZPM works in reality, but I don't know what keywords to search for.

[@Seelenverheizer]

I always thought that the tower was an large outpost with the main structure beeing very similar but all the stuff around was shitty living quarters etc. without an engine and such things. Also regarding the ZPM i remember there beeing a line of them not beeing able to produce them rast enought. There likely is a super secure lab somewhere where they be build. Maybe they have a huge upfront energy cost or something like that. Or the manufacture was lost at one point. I guess they spoke with them offscreen about it and they were like: guys you are straight out of luck here. They could have given them some clues tho where ZPM might still be so the writters would have an in cannon option to go try to get a ZPM somewhere if they need it for the story. Having it set up never hurts.

[@StarrDust0]

Been re-watching SG1 and SGA. I really hope they come out with a new series soon.

[@CZpersi]

THese are great interviews. Thanks! As for ZPMs - I always thought that ZPMs are more sinister artifacts than we truly realize. I mean - imagine that you create an entire small universe, only to draw energy from it. Am I the only one, who thinks that this is kinda... diabolical? The resulting product looks so clean and peaceful, but c'mon, you are basically creating a universe-in-a-bottle only to destroy it, slowly and painfully! Are there really no consequences to this? Unraveling this sinister side of ZPM creation would be an excellent plot for SG: Universe episode.

[@HogW1ld385]

Each ZPM contained its own pocket of sub space where it drew its energy from so you really wouldn’t be able to recharge it. Despite what some think they’re not really batteries

[@i.m-r0d]

P-90s are cool but I loved Ronans sidearm. It kind of had a western look to it.

[@volcanolord100]

The biggest misconception is that people think of ZPM's as battery, where there is a charge that is used up. What is actually happening is a pocket dimension similar to our own is created for each ZPM. So us "using" the energy is the same as us using our natural resources for energy. The amount of energy in that dimension remains the same, but the usability of it decreases. Same as our universe. In an impossible large amount of time the energy present in our universe will be spread our so far that there is no reactions occurring. All the energy is still THERE, but ununusable. This is the way the ZPM's work; they create their own dimension with still usable energy, and over use the energy is spread out, and rendered inert. It's still full of energy, just none.

[@DoremiFasolatido1979]

I always assumed it was a nominally "less advanced" version of the city-ship. Basically them building one to see if they could. All the amenities and primary features, but none of the extra cool stuff beyond things they were already wholly certain would always work. They were nothing if not thorough, after all. . Then, once they'd worked out the bugs, they built Atlantis, shortly before the plague struck. . The original city-ship was powerful, and useful, but not built to full potential. So, during the war with the Wraith, it was disabled relatively quickly, and went down on that planet, never to fly again. Maybe it's nature as a prototype made it too much of a pain to bother repairing, or maybe the damage was so significant that it would've been easier to build another, if they could've. But most of all, the war prevented them from any such megaprojects at that time, and so there the wreck stayed.

[@bennaambo2716]

We’ll assume that they build one to see if they could u would have found the tower city in the Milky Way galaxy and not Pegasus since Atlantis was build on earth and later the ancients moved with it to the Pegasus galaxy

[@mmooney6860]

miss the show

[@kendog52361]

Even setting aside the "cast comfort issue", them keeping the sidearm, instead of the "torch weapon" could be the "characters" are most used to a "standard handgun sidearm", and transitioning to a completely new "sidearm weapon" was considered more trouble then it's worth, with little to no benefits. The only real benefit, I think, was the "stun option", but they aren't generally operating in situations where they want to "stun the bad guys". Add in to that, you have the intars (or Zats) from the Milky Way, and you have the stunning capability, but with a standard issue sidearm.

[@SkateZillaSimulations]

on the Subject of Atlantis, there was likely more than one, as a race that spanned the galaxy, it wouldnt make sense to even only have 1 in the Milky Way, Likely there was multiple cities built, and they all left for Pegasus together, hence going to Tao'nas to get a ZPM from an Identical Outpost that was found on earth, the only difference was earth's ZPM was depleted, they were sparse, as Ra had one and didnt even know it. there was another chair outpost . Either way, assuming Tao'nas had a Ancient city, and Earth, both leaving for Pegasus at the same time could Explain Atlantis and the City found in the Tower Episode, which was originally named "Sister City" btw, Sister City, assumes they were of about the same age, Then you have the Assurians copy and then the copy the outcast Assurian's built to study human evolution. As for ZPM Recharging, they are a self contained artificial pocket of subspace time, so size is limited, as is the vacuum energy, you can't recharge a space time once you use it all. The Reason Arcturus was a big deal is because it bypasses the limits of the ZPM by extracting the vacuum energy from our own space time, which our universe as far as we know is limitless, where as a ZPM contains a small artificial pocket of sub space time. with the ZPM being artificially created pocket of subspace, small and limited power, Exotic particles were never produced or if they were they were contained within the artificial subspace pocket and harmless to us. Arcturus on the other hand created exotic particles in our own space time, and they were unable to control them as they didn't exist within the laws of physics as we or even the Alterans/Lantians know. The one thing they also never covered is why the Alterans Left the Ida Galaxy before coming to the Milkyway, and we never really explored Ida either, Thor said it had hundreds of stargates, and they appear to be the same type found in the milky way, so they were prior to the pegasus model, or even before the milky way.

[@Seelenverheizer]

i to think they must have had other similar cities only that those were lesser versions with maybe like the central spire and not that much around it. Or maybe without a drive and similar cost saving measures. Atlantis is the good mastercrafted stuff the rest are cheap-ish knockoffs.

[@SkateZillaSimulations]

@@Seelenverheizer the sister city didn't have the gate in the main room, but the chair. AFAIK, Atlantis was still the only gate that allowed direct connection to milky way due to how the power systems were setup and the gate had access to the ZPMs of the city, where the sister city had the gate running off the DHD PSU, and the Asurans never knew about Earth, so it wouldn't have been in their database to dial. The Other Asuran City had a fake stargate. Same with Ta'onas, Gate was not part of the ZPM Power Circuit. There was in Canon mention of 3 other Ancient City Ships, These were not directly mentioned in the TV show, but in parts of the now vaporware Stargate Worlds main quest arc. -2 Abandoned in Milky way (IIRC the arc was regarding the Planet from "The Entity"), BP6-3Q1 is also mentioned to have a City ship as well as a few other Lantean ships, but weren't discovered until after Atlantis was back in the milky way (sub space link with each city?), it was also revealed the bugs were a weapon. This maybe covered in the new Series being produced for Amazon. -1 was abandoned because of a computer virus the wraith sent, and disabling the city allowed the wraith to move through a large section of space not covered by Lantean Deep Space Sensors. It seems they did build a few, but they were lost in the war/plague/elements.

[@popcornpower8751]

I never thought that ZPMs were rechargeable devices. You have to create a whole one from scratch, kind of like disposable batteries.

[@mikewhitaker2880]

"the military is beyond P-90's now", well the military is ALSO beyond M-16 and M-4 rifles, but they still use them for 99% of their personnel.... also, found it funny that they had the WHOLE Lantean computer library and people who could translate, and they NEVER focused on using certain points of knowledge such as ZPM manufacturing, which was hinted at being in the computer when they were trying to decide what to save before the Wraith got to Atlantis... and yes, they should have returned to Athos, but they avoided it like the plague for some reason...

[@valkondarvalakev6377]

Great QNA

[@GateWorldDotNet]

Thanks for watching, Valkondar!

[@TykenMcLeod]

I think the funny answer on the question about charging ZPM's would be "Why are you asking? There is a button. They are self-chargeable"

[@jamesfanning3985]

If the new owners (Amazon) of mgm and stargate franchise decided to restart the stargate atlantis series it should be based on the tower from season 2 as the other atlantis would be left on earth for its protection and for transfer of technology and understanding.

[@heathb4319]

So when was the Ancient Stunner introduced? I re-watch various episodes occasionally and watch my favs all the time but i really don't remember them.

[@jayce8001]

The world is not spinning right without a new episode of Stargate each week to look forward to.

[@nerdwatch1017]

I love one of the fan fiction stories of with the new Asgard technology humans received Rodney wants to go back and uncover The tower and the rest of the city underneath all those tons of dirt!!! Please Joseph let this happen

[@andyhutley2857]

Maybe the zpm's are like single charge batteries and a new casing has to be fitted to the core at the point of combining them, that and the shape doesn't allow for easy positive negative recharging the way our cylinder shape batteries do

[@davidmundy2906]

Really, I would have thought it would have been in the Atlantis data base on how to recharge or make ZPM's

[@khyronkravshera7774]

My take on it was that this was a older slightly less advanced city ship. More like a prototype or predecessor to Atlantis than a twin or sister city.

[@BrianSmith-yn2zg]

I thought it might of been the original city ship that was used when they broke off from the Ori.

[@mlt6322]

No body ever said Atlantis was the only ship to leave Earth when the Ancients started getting sick, They may have had a few to carry all their people to safety. They only said that the city of Atlantis was sunk below the sea in it's final days so the Wraith couldn't use it's gate to get to Earth because of the power required to dial another galaxy.

[@Seelenverheizer]

yeah or they build all their cities like Atlantis but those are much lesser version but similar due to cultural and effectivity reasons.

[@khyronkravshera7774]

@@Seelenverheizer Agreed. They clearly stated that Atlantis was the last and greatest technological achievement of the Ancients. Which suggest that other city ships were lesser (although still insanely advanced) in some way.

[@imaginaryfriend9655]

The Answer to the ZPM recharge could have easily been Answered in "Before I Sleep" but, instead they decided to teach Elizabeth to Rotate the ZPM's which never made sense to me as they would of calculated the energy transfer and realised that Atlantis would be on minimal power at best at the end of the Final Rotation

[@Maine307]

EXACTLY!! JUST TELL HER WHERE MORE WILL BE! OR WHERE TO CHARGE EM!

[@summoner2100]

@@Maine307 Watch the damn episode, she did have a list of more locations. But things change over that much time.

[@Maine307]

@@summoner2100 hahahah - i know the episode.. i was talking about a cache on Atlantis., or a factory type location-. with a further expiation. not just 5 location spread around the galaxy of 1s and 2s, that might still be there..etc

[@jamesfcarlton6890]

@@Maine307 *It was a place that’s out of phase to recharge them as said in the series.*

[@alanharper23]

@@jamesfcarlton6890 Wait, you’re saying they discuss an out of phase “factory” in the series? When, which episode??

[@mre9593]

I've been playing "minecraft" for a few years, and most of my game map is water. I came across a "monument" (underwater city) and obviously I named it "Atlantis" then I found another bigger one! I named it Azure, then Lantean,,, I found at least ten of these things. either I have to get out of the water, or Stargate has to add new adventures!

[@Spinobreaker]

I heard "The Tower" was called "Troy" as opposed to Atlantis inside the production, but thats probably be wrong as its second hand information

[@t3h51d3w1nd3r]

I thought ZPMs couldn't recharge, that they pulled power from a specific point in subspace, once they were done they're done. Remember when Camulus offered the ZPM that had been recharged incorrectly, that would have exploded if plugged in. Atlantis really should have had a laboratory or construction facility for ZPMs and an artificial intelligence or multiples to warn the crew. Gene Roddenberrys Andromeda is great this way, the ship has an AI and an android body that be separate or interact over a wifi. There really should have been an "Atlantis" AI character, even if it was just reactivated when the ancients retook the city ship

[@stevenschofield8518]

what happened to the Aurora class ship they found between Pegases and the milky way... they just left it there? its still just chillen between the galaxies lol

[@thetrainhopper8992]

One thing that was never really explained was if the Ancients were a united civilization throughout their at least 50 million years of existence. There could easily been other groups of Ancients running around and not part of the group we follow in the series. Which would explain an extra Atlantis.

[@ekonomija8718]

If I ever decide to write down my fanfic ideas, that's what it would focus on Ancient and Lantean history is so long that there's so much potential. Imagine the brutal conflicts they could have been in against each other

[@jamesfcarlton6890]

@@ekonomija8718 *#Click** the **#Like** button and it’ll send an extra **#signal** so they know they had a **#reply**.*

[@farscape1714]

@@ekonomija8718 I figured there had to been a Civil war between the groups. I mean how can there not be.

[@thetrainhopper8992]

@@ekonomija8718 I would write it down. I'm writing a series of them at the moment.

[@FlyingwithFire]

Hell they where in Pegasus for millions of years they could have easily built and then abandoned millions of Atlantis class ships. Hell the Atlantis we see leaving earth and the one our team gates two might be several thousand iterations removed

[@Jarsia]

What I'd like to know is why the Atlantis crew didn't switch to the Asuran pistol after The Return when there would have been dozens if not hundreds lying around? They were more compact, ergonomic, and seemed easier to aim even if they lacked a proper sight, and they have both stun and kill settings making them more versatile than the wraith stunners. Also they looked cooler.

[@joehiles3148]

My head canon there is that the Asurans surpassed the Lanteans with the sidearm like they did with their larger city expansion. The Asurans wanted to surpass their creators and were originally created as weapons, not too much of a leap in my opinion for them to develop better weapons technology then the Lanteans.

[@outlaw26aow61]

Just a question. What was the power source for the asgard?

[@GateWorldDotNet]

All we know is that their ships used some form of "ion drive" technology.

[@BJCMXY]

The Pegusus Replicators are also an unfinished plot thread.

[@nigelsmith4727]

I noticed the Borg in the background. So I assume you a star trek fan as well . Today I was watching cowboy bebop and noticed a star trek reference. Was wondering if your interested

[@Lyze]

On the subject of why they never asked the ancients how to charge the zpms, specifically the production reason (that it would take away the handicap and make the expedition too powerful), I get that, it makes sense. But it'd be easy to explain away by the ancients saying, 'oh they're charged by a giant megastructure surrounding a black hole' or something like that where the answer doesn't give a solution to problem. What I always wonder is if anyone ever came up with a reason/handwave of why everyone spoke English in space even though they did have their own spoke languages. I realize it's a production issue, but they could have come up with a translation system like star trek or Farscape did, or come up with their own technobabble reason, like when you travel through the gate, it stores language info from the traveler and imparts them on the future travelers or that the Goa'uld adopted English because it was more flexible than the ancient Egyptian derived Goa'uld language. Maybe the ancients they ran across, as being advanced humans had some sort of psychic method of learning languages which would still make spoken Ancient unintelligible unless spoken by an actual Ancient. Just stuff like that, I think it helps with suspending disbelief even if they're just made up technobabble.

[@limiv5272]

A reason for why they never asked the ancients or looked up in the city database how to make ZPMs was definitely missing. I also think they should've had the expedition discover that it was so complicated that they couldn't feasibly do it with existing technology and resources I kinda liked how on the very first SG-1 episode after the pilot they sort of went *wink wink* and had everybody speak English. A universal translator and other plot devices basically do the same thing, so they saved up on technobabble while making fun of such plot devices. I don't think the Goa'uld language was derived from ancient Egyptian. The Goa'uld arrived on earth using FTL capable spaceships, they had to have developed their own language long before arriving here. It's more likely their language was based on the Unas' language but I suppose it also could've been a completely new thing

[@Lyze]

@@limiv5272 I'm going with the assumption that goa`uld is based off of ancient Egyptian from what Dr Jackson said in the original movie, before human host I would guess they spoke Unas.

[@limiv5272]

@@Lyze It has been a while since I watched the movie, but I think the term Goa'uld wasn't in it at all. Either way your theory does make as much sense as the others. I wish they'll tell us which is true

[@Seelenverheizer]

i do agree but especially later on with them having ships etc i could have seen a story arc in season 6 or 7 where they get to that mega structure and get more of them. It wouldnt be too OP due to the enemies power kinda spiraling out of control too. One also cant be the underdog forever and them having access but still having to ration the power somewhat. They show has shown how fast they can burn up if you use them for some reckless manauver.

[@RazudMezeghis]

Where can one get those ships models behind you and other merch from stargate?

[@GateWorldDotNet]

You can drop David a note over on the "Dial the Gate" channel. His back drop has a mix of fan-made models and original props from the show.

[@terrylyons6210]

Dream Catcher's lightstick would make a great scifi prop.

[@bsg75husker]

best shows ever.. i would totally watch the old cast in a new show.. i mean, If Picard can do it....... ;p

[@LokiTheAsgard420]

it would have been cool to have it been a duplicate made from the first test of the wormhole drive like they flew too close too a star and decided it not worth the risk and thats one of the reasons it was shelved

[@DreaMeRHoLic]

Yea, the whole "where to get ZPMs?" part is with the "why not explore whole Atlantis and Destiny " the part that annoyed me A LOT. Sure, you cant give them unlimited access, but after they could transfer people to atlantis in season 2 the city should've been checked out top to bottom 100 times. I mean they found stuff like the "satilie board game" to controll civs and other things and said that those things are basicly to complex to walk in and instandly tell what the reseach in room XYZ is and I also dont think that there would be an open access excel that is open to the public in the cities computer systems, but they should've been able to find the drone factory or other usefull things. But in the end i would also say that a civ like the Ancients beeing limited to one small city doesnt seem very logical. The pegasus replicator city was very impressive... but the whole ancient civ limited to one atlantis, while the relicators had so much, while only living on one planet compared to the Ancients who had the whole universe with some outposts? nah... atalntis could maybe hold like 200.000 to 1 million people max... doesnt make sense anyway. Speaking about it.... i wish they would've used atlantis to dial the Destiny or use the new found superdrive fromt the last episodes to jump atalntis to the Destiny after they FINALLY found the ZPM room, because now that atlantis was on earth there was no excuse anymore to not totally search the city. I know they had plans for a movie to go back to pegasus... but i'm still mad that they ended SGA and wasted to much time on the dark drama in SGU and started so many things without a clear storyline

[@soumilsingh8585]

Stuff like this is why I got into a Stargate fanfic craze for a while

[@mcclintick]

The ancients had cities and outposts on many planets in the pegasus galaxy,, we seen evidence of this in the show. There were maany cities shaped just like Atlantis. Remember the one that was powered by geothermal energy. Atlantis was the newest and last city they built and it also was the only city built by Ancients that was also a ship. I think all the cities and bases were like prototypes, and one day someone was like "lets build a city that can fly." In season 2 most of the city was still underwater, as the shield had retracted to save power so the main part was protected for all the years it spent underwater. And most likely any technology in the flooded sections that wasn't water tight like the Gateships/jumpers would be destroyed or damaged beyond repair from the water which was salt water. But I agree they should have at least sent enough people over to explore the sections that were above water or protected by the shield. Another issue was that they had more important things going on. And the SCG base on Earth is only so big and bringing too many people there could attract attention.

[@Seelenverheizer]

i dont think there is a ZPM room and even with a lot of people looking 24/7 i would expect it to be like search there entirety of New York with 1000 people while potencially dangerous stuff is there would take a lot of time and much can be mist. I do agree it could have been used more often but one of the points i liked about Atlantis that the very next episode might be the one where they find something cool and new just in the city. The city especially early on was a form of secondary character itself.

[@thedoctor8180]

The city from season 4 episode 10 completely destroyed,or still exists on the ocean and just ruined?Can it be repaired somehow in the future?

[@nickcphs5678]

It would be kinda hard to fix the city if you didn’t where it was.

[@Gpz0]

I would think that they would have enough time to a lot of questions from the Ancient crew that the Daedalus rescued between galaxies in the Return, Part 1, especially after McKay specifically said that he was going to "make a list".

[@TheMAZZTer]

Keep in mind their attitude was basically "Thanks for guarding our city and tech, now get out." They promised diplomatic relations with time but were hesitant to offer continued direct access to Ancient tech. So giving humans the means to recharge infinitely the tech they still had access to (especially the Antarctic drones) was probably not something they would be willing to do right away.

[@Gpz0]

@@TheMAZZTer But would that have stopped McKay from asking them anything, not just ZPMs? Even if you assume that there was a ZPM onboard the Ancient warship (I don't think its actually said or shown that it had one), it would still be a full day to get back, if not then over a week. McKay would not be able to restrain himself for that long to ask them everything he could. It seems nothing was gained from that encounter when that was their #1 mission. Personally I would have loved to hear the conversation Hermoid had with them.

[@Visceralreality]

I always thought it was just an earlier version made much earlier than Atlantis was.

[@johnmiller4859]

Did the Ancients have an equivalent to The Prime Directive? Maybe that's why we never found out how to recharge the ZPMs.

[@guitargodthor2]

What i want to know is how the entire city of Atlantis fits in San Fran Bay!

[@ianpage2509]

I thought it was in the ocean but you could see the bridge.

[@GateWorldDotNet]

It's not in the bay itself but outside, looking at the bridge from the ocean side.

[@jamesfcarlton6890]

@@GateWorldDotNet *OH **#Finally** an **#Answer** **#Darrin**.*

[@jamesfcarlton6890]

*Sorry 😐 **#Darrin** I remember your first name and **#JeffDavis** has told me several times your last and I remember **#DavidRead**’s first and last because it’s on the screen so much.* 🤣🤣🤣😂

[@guitargodthor2]

@@GateWorldDotNet can't tell from the POV they gave us. It looks like it's in the bay and most people dont know the ocean is right there.

[@gmeast]

... it's a fictional tale ... created to entertain. There are no answers to your questions ... not even philosophical ones. But I still love Star Gate ... I just purchased the complete series' of SG1, Atlantis and Universe, so I'm not being critical, just real. I like GateWorld too.

[@blacklotten8794]

Honestly I always hated the ZPM's and the search for them. I understand that you need to keep the suspension up and all that, but the argument of always having the ZPM would make the humans to OP is ridiculous. If the wraiths where the end of the ancient's then why wouldn't they have ships on par to Atlantis? and on top of that the humans have access to the Atlantis data base why wouldn't they make it a top priority to find out how to create more of them? I just think the search for more ZPM's or a ZPM showing up just at the last second was used to many times

[@jacoblehnen4372]

Are there more? Is there another in the milkyway? Just curious

[@PK-lz4ho]

I love Stargate, seen them all. However I always felt the ancients/ori would have been a bit more fun if they had a Q Continuum feel to them.

[@drewmcdonald1077]

disagree sorry but Q belongs in the startrek universe not stargate

[@jettison6005]

1:35 🤣🤣🤣💯

[@MrChum1987]

Also at 4 minutes, doesn't care he has a prop lol

[@chrisedmund335]

ZPMs they basicly capture a potion of subspace within its matrix so even tho Rodney Mckay is a genious I doubt he could build a device to capture a portion of an extra dimational region of the space-time continum

[@freindzful]

I always wondered how come when mckay the made human replicator why he didn't have her make zpms or when replicator weir came back with the other replicators that to show they meant peace create many zpms like they did on their copy version of atlantis

[@amandasunshine2]

ZPMs are essentially microverse batteries and I demand an episode where they go inside one to figure out how to charge it

[@johncunningham4820]

Yeah . The ZPM recharge issue should have been addressed . Either " Can't be done . Need Remanufacture " OR ' You need to build one of " These " " .

[@jhayejarvis]

Maybe the zpm is not talked about by the ancients because its something they are ashamed of? What if creating one is highly destructive? Compression of an entire naquita solar body, or instead of a planetoid it requires a white dwarf or simular along the lines of ancient ancient tech like the recharging of Destiny only with more possibilities of misuse , or an actual event of misuse by themselves or others they shared the knowledge with once

[@KohuGaly]

The simpler explanation is that most ancients simply don't know. The knowledge of how such a powerful device is created would be a highly guarded secret - both the theory (ie. the science behind it) and the practice (ie. where the factory is).

[@FatLittleButterfly]

What I really want to know is why there weren't any Asguardians in Atlantis?

[@ThePeacemaker848]

I never thought Atalntis was one of a kind. Like the story had Atlantis as the first city in the Pegasus galaxy and from there they spread out in that galaxy over a long time. When you got a template for a structure that works, why not make a few?

[@christopherjones5446]

I don’t need to know the origin of the second city. Sometimes a mystery is just that.

[@allanallen1835]

Game needs to be made like a fps with many maps like battlefield but set in stargate universe.

[@duozero00]

It is damn lucky that the wrath never launched a full assault in it to get its inter galactic hyper drive because it had to be easier than going after the Atlantis one

[@danielthompson3205]

Opens vid up, some one wants to know about the buried tower.. No refeacnce to which ep season 3/4 been ten years since really seen fresh sg

[@GateWorldDotNet]

There's a title and link in the description above, FWIW. This is a clip taken mid-conversation.

[@nolan412]

Mckay was a too proud to ask about recharging.

[@DaDunge]

Atlantis was the crown jewel of the ancients before they left the milky way. I assume they built many more such city ships once arriving in pegasus.

[@thetruthhurtsmehdi7262]

There are many Stargate Storys who lebt untold. Excepts the First Seasons of SG1. There are this Prison Break Episode. And who are the Taldors. Who are These Insects who bite Teal ' C. And many other Questions.

[@Seelenverheizer]

i 100% there are likely many untold tales of adventures that didnt result in much by the other teams we never seen due to not beeing as fun ;)

[@orionqc]

don't zpm self recharge over time if not they should a really low rate of recharge

[@airwolf12999]

Wasn't there 3 towers seen in the series?

[@GateWorldDotNet]

The other city ship we saw was the one created by the Asurans, in the image of their makers ("Progeny"). Not actually Ancient-built.

[@ydna]

just reverse the polarity on the ancient alternator, BAM! charged. well maybe that would pull them into the mirror universe or something

[@Dr.Sphere]

The original time they really spoke about ZPMs with the Ancients was the time traveling puddle jumper.

[@sniforgeforger9432]

The destiny and atlantis were rival projects... just like theres other destiny type ships that were sent to plant stargates all over the galaxy the same can be said for Atlantis where more ships were made. No need to alternate dimensions. If you have some solid blueprints like the ancients had, you would make more than one.

[@sniforgeforger9432]

*all over the universe* i should've said.

[@zacwicht3189]

the Destiny is over 50 million years old while Atlantis is about 7 million years old

[@Seelenverheizer]

i dont expect for them all beeing knowledgable scientists etc. Even from an inteligence point it would make sense for only a few people actually knowing these things. But i do agree they should have gotten some hints to potencial locations etc. The later seasons did push the small mundane things out of the scope. Of cause they could have had some secondary team mention that there were at another potencial location where a ZPM could have been but they couldnt find it or it has lost its charge but that wouldnt have really fit the current episodes story i guees. I do choose to believe that other teams did that and went there to ask but it was mostly uneventfull and unsuccesfull so we didnt see it in the show. I really did enjoy the times where the team saw those rando units returning from missions all banged up in SG1. How fun would had it been them showing a team come back with a damaged jumper having a broken ZPM with them saying "one hell of a ride but god damn it it was broken before we found it..." just to have the world feel more alive.

[@brianterrill9587]

Would the Asgards have known how to recharge a ZPM???

[@sadev101]

zpm is not a battery.. you dont ask nuclear physist how do you recharge uranium fuel rods you replace them.. 1 time use

[@dbingamon]

Maybe you have to take a ZPM with certain hardware into the corona of a star to recharge it just like Destiny.

[@princedax77]

Being able to recharge a zpm would make everything too easy leading to less thrilling action in the show and most likely could have killed the show part of what made the show so addictive is the appending dangers and at the last moment up goes the shield to save the day

[@mrbojangles8133]

I figured it was more of a back-up

[@jamesfanning3985]

It would be hilarious if years later discovered that he had a kid with princess Mara from the tower and she managed to make it to Earth to accuse shepherd of deserting them. Good old emotional blackmail to make shepherd and team to return to the tower as the new stargate atlantis. Except this time instead of support from USA government it is corporations funding the exhibition with mercenaries as military support as the corporations want direct access of the technology to get them ahead of the competition

[@EvanCarrollTheGreat]

2:12 ouch, lol. wtf happened there.

[@egyeneskifli7808]

More ancient warships? They have one floating between galaxies, and don't even try to salvage, repair it? What happened to the Tria? They could have their own ship in Atlantis! How often they meet the ancients? Come on, there is an ancient who still resides of the Pgasus galaxy. They can visit Chaya on Proculus any time they want.

[@williamverhaegen555]

they had de schans tu kolecte de zpm from de rieplikayters sithy

[@Maine307]

that ALWAYS made me mad.. They never ever asked for more ZPMs..never asked for how to charge, how to make, or is there a storage of more... because Atlantis was huge.. where is the ZPM factory? etc.etc.. always made me upset..4 years and they didnt find more ZPMs in the city???? huge hole in the show that got me upset. When it ended and went to San Francisco.. they get more people to look for more ? in the city. errrr

[@Seelenverheizer]

it doesnt make sense to have some backup ZPM in some random room. They had 1 main one and 2 backups but those got used up. I think even for the Ancients a ZPM was very valuable and most must have been used up towards the end of the war. I guess there was one factory out there somewhere hidden, potencially destroyed during the war.

[@johnwood3465]

I have the real Stargate video recorded in IR as it is cloaked by a phase shield

[@jamesfcarlton6890]

*#GateWay** why **#haven**’t you been posting on **#KZbin** **#lately**❓* ❤️💕 〽️〽️〽️

[@GateWorldDotNet]

James: It's been a bananas crazy fall over here. My unusually busy work season was compounded when we suddenly needed to find, buy, and get our family moved into a new house. Finally ready to get back into the groove for 2022!

[@hokiturmix]

Atlantis expedition. No zet guns. Not standard issue. Clearly missed in Universe too.

[@willytonjc]

I hope he isn't lying about Star Wars... i think he's just embarassed to say that it sucks now.

[@duflyingdutchssswest-fries4941]

🤔

[@specialnewb9821]

Unpopular opinion, I prefer Mr. Mallozzi not to work on stargate again.

[@damenwhelan3236]

I always thought the city ship model was the crown jewel of their domain. And Atlantis was the last one to survive intact. But ingress we'd see more traces of these massive ships where there more.

[@nicholasgilson1412]

We need a new Stargate pa pa please add some sexy women some aliens some crazy missions people going through went looking holes love problems humor and space ships all with today's best effects would be amazing

[@akshunexpress9369]

*made in "ancient" china*

[@TheBigExclusive]

This interview feels like awkward. It's like he's nervous or doesn't want to answer any questions in depth.

[@BeatNCancer]

made in china in ancient lmao