A Street Fighter Boomer And Zoomer Debate Each Other

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Reacting to ‪@playstationesports‬ video "Street Fighter Pros Debate The Most Controversial Topics".
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[@wadewade3790]

They should have gotten a Street Fighter Doomer as a third Perspective.

[@deadfr0g]

Never, ever let the coomers have a microphone.

[@Youbuu2]

SonicSol (I’m trolling)

[@moosesues8887]

Lowtiergod

[@r0q]

DSP

[@Dickinabox]

Get ltg fr

[@LobotomyPatient]

We need more big names in FGC talking to each other on camera. Always the most insightful and interesting content around imo

[@carlosaugusto9821]

Only if there's an extreme generational gap and if both sides are good talkers, like in this case... otherwise it's just going to be alienated boomer talk aimed at boomers or alienated zoomer talk aimed at zoomers, nothing special since this is how things usually work in every other old game franchise.

[@spman2099]

The Daigo clip didn't get me started, I was already playing fighting games. However, it did clue me in to how small my pond was. Embarrassingly, I used to think I was about as good as you could be. I parried jump ins and thought I was a fucking god. But it turns out everyone I played fighting games against were just ass, and I was slightly less ass.

[@surrendering2within]

dating got me into fighting games (not evo moment 37). she wasn't the kind of lover that was quick to share everything about her past, so since I had no interest in video games, she never mentioned them around me. but one day, we went to her gay friend's house in the hood. I'll never forget seeing a robot girl flying across the massive, 60" television screen that was mounted onto the wall. the robot girl was nonchalantly using her chainsaw arms to dig into somebody's intestines. maybe it was actually because of the blunt that was in rotation, but seeing that, in high definition, really blew my mind that afternoon. i'll never forget listening to the hood gay dude explaining Tekken Lore (he was spilling the Mishima family drama tea as if it was hot gossip about real people lol), as the rap music flowed through all the weed smoke in the air. for hours, all I saw onscreen were bad bitches beating each other up. a few months later, i bought my first ever playstation & my first ever tv. I loved filling my living room with the combination of loud marijuana, loud music, and cool people--who also became loud, once the fighting game shittalking would start😆. nice memories

[@kwamedwards]

The conversation at 7 minutes really got me thinking about how I got into fighting games. For me, the first fighting games I took serious were SF4 and UMVC3. The thing/people who got me into the game and invested were, IFC Yipes popping off on the mic and trash talking some dudes, The Adventures of Gootecks and Mike Ross every Saturdays/Sunday morning uploaded to youtube, and TeamSpooky coming through with all the tournament vods and coverage. I remember as a younger kid seeing JWong on SpikeTV or whatever channel but it wasn't until years after getting into the FGC that I made the connection it was him. For me it was thanks to the internet that I learned about and started playing fighting games.

[@ATLZombie]

What really got me into fighting games was dbfz and the OD content creation we had for the game. JMCROFTS, Dotodoya, LotusAsakura, and Lordknight kept me going. Then, when LK jumped, ship and started playing Strive, I started only watching LK and grinding strive. Now I only play fighting games, lol. The history and the moments I could watch kept me addicted though.

[@muckdriver]

For moment 37 I think there's also this moment apart from when it first blew up, that it blew up in social circles sporadically, closer to early 2010s up to mid 2010s due to things like gaming compilation videos and top 10s like watch mojo or whatever. I don't think anyone started playing FGs cause of it but they did really start getting into them as more dedicated players. In 2008-2012 everyone and their mother knew what SF4, tekken, and smash bros were, even the guys in the hood knew at least about def jam. The moment some people saw that clip, they went "this is the genre I'm sticking with for life, shit is so hype".

[@ElvisMaximus1]

fwiw I started playing fighting games after watching it when that clip was first making rounds. i'd played like, street fighter on SNES or like I think I had XX and alpha on psx. Never really bothered playing them for real until moment 37 showed me what the games could be like

[@Malacai087]

Every comment is either a person giving their life story or someone who somehow thinks winning EVO 8 times doesnt count, cause it was in a game they dont like.

[@niwona_]

It's so fun to see the wide chasm in discourse on the legitimacy of leverless opposed to pad

[@Scarcrw1]

Babe wake up, new Lk chronicles video dropped

[@duckyisded6167]

10:10 hot take but this is THE worst part about the fgc, this type of behavior reflects horribly back on beginners looking into those respective games.

[@TannerLindberg]

Bro just look at it honestly he couldn't even hang in masters in Street fighter five online lmao. But will become the biggest evo chsmp of all time? Make it make sense let me.hear the mental gymnastics of being the biggest evo champ ever but you can't even rank highly in online street fighter or tekken.

[@TannerLindberg]

Mk1 had 300 players enter dude. Mortal combat has been dropped from evo France lmao. There's higher level completion in top 1000 of Street fighter than there is in top 64 in mk1 hrs games are totally bum games and sonic fox is a fraud putting him in the conversation with Justin is INSANE

[@duckyisded6167]

@@TannerLindberg the fact that THIS is your response not only makes you a part of the problem but shows the blatant ignorance of Sonic's UNIVERSAL fighting game skill, they don't just play NRS games, even their evo wins reflect that. If all of those games are so free then feel free to join tournaments and prove the point.

[@youtubeacc69469]

@@duckyisded6167 to me it seems like you agree what he said. But lets clarify do you think MK is on the same competitive level as Street Figher? I think Sonic is a dope player but theres a real argument to Sf and Tekken being more competitive. I do think Sonic is the goat of EVO but Id never put em in the same category as a god of SF. At the end of the day though its all pointless. SF players constantly go into other games and wipe em up. I dont know of a single time that happened in SF.

[@azurepixels]

Like some have already said, I didn't start playing fighting games thanks to EVO moment 37, but that made me realize like "oh shit, there's people out there that play this at a high level and it's SICK" and eventually that got me into the FGC and got me into wanting to get better at these games

[@axis8396]

The controller itself usually handles socd like mine can do neutral or replace with the newer input. So most of the time the controller can just decide how it does the input rather than the game

[@stalok5963]

Another LK Chronicles upload, hell yeah

[@Gleapgoogleplusisgone]

I mean, do we need to wait for sonic to get 9 before we call NRS games bum games? Mk1 didn't even get picked for Evo France. Even Evo thinks they are bum games.

[@jkreincarnation]

LK i miss those podcasts lmfao, amazing vid and good reactions. Steve boomer bias is real tho lmfao.

[@Ay_A_Ron]

Winning 2 finals back to back is insane bro, your friend is right

[@MarcelVincent]

i remember reading about EVO 37 in a gampro?? some magazine anyawy.. before youtube. back then i could only read about Wong and Daigo. the arcade where i lived was closed by 1998. (born 87). In a small town of 20k people i was the only one in my friend group who took fighting games seriously.. i had to pretend like i didn't let my friends win to keep them playing with me lol.... Evo moment 37. inspired me shoot for professional fighting games .. I trained for EVO for SFV.. but nevver went which i regret

[@MagnusXL]

I agree. The average player today is drastically better than the average player of the past. Late 2000s all the way to the mid 2010s I got away with actual murder.

[@JohnXuandou]

The leverless discussion is caaaaaaaaaaap and I'm tired of listening to people who don't play on one talk about it. Leverless in older games is way stronger than it is in modern games BECAUSE the execution is harder and requires more precise inputs. Where did this idea that leverless is not precise come from? It's nonsense. They actually have no idea what they're talking about on this topic. The problems you will run into in older games is that input interpreters are really poorly designed or needlessly strict, such as KoF98 where if you hit a diagonal for only 1 frame it will drop the diagonal input, or games like GGXX where a half circle requires all 5 directional inputs and if you skip one the motion fails. At most, it will limit your character selection based on what you can comfortably play, but you can also grind out exact half circle motions and get good. Legit legit legit the only reason why people think they're a bigger deal in new games is exactly because the execution is so low now that small advantages are easy to come by, more obvious, and add up when there are so few advantages to be had with execution. In SFV, leverless dominated because walk and block and instant dash inputs were incredibly strong dominating strategies and leverless did them the best, but in what old game is being able to instantly input a raw dash input such a powerful strategy? In what old game is walk and block so powerful that it wins games above all other strategies? Old games don't really work like that, they're much faster and have much more bullshit strategies that overpower how good movement could be. They're not highly relevant skills to a bulk majority of old games. Meanwhile, the Hit Box was created for the sole purpose of playing MvC2 faster. That whole chunk of the video was cope, Justin is just spouting his biases he's had against leverless since they became popular and only ever updated when he had to begrudgingly admit they were beating his ass in new games, and Mena doesn't know about old games to have a real opinion anyways. It has been 15 years and people still try to downplay leverless.

[@GlowingOrangeOoze]

Hitbox does make some stuff awkward to input, but Justin claiming that its shortcoming is "precision" is mindblowing. I'm kind of a hitbox hater but if these are the arguments my allies are bringing I am not showing up to the battle.

[@JohnXuandou]

@GlowingOrangeOoze For the record I am a pro leverless radical, I think leverless is easily better than stick or pad, I just also don't believe that to be an actual problem. If I didn't think leverless was the best choice why the hell would I use one? It's wild to me when stick players try to downplay how good a leverless is, because it always comes off as them justifying being an old curmudgeon who refuses to change. "Oh nah, the games that I play? Leverless isn't good in those games." Yes the fuck it is, you just don't want to admit it because you'll feel like all that time you put into it was wasted.

[@GlowingOrangeOoze]

@@JohnXuandou I'm pretty radical myself so I'll take a moment to explain my position. You're obviously approaching the issue from the perspective of a competitor (which is sensible; I don't mean to imply otherwise) whereas I tend to approach the issue from the perspective of a game designer. I think that the way players interface with the game is part of the game's design, and that changing the interface is changing the game just as much as changing frame data is changing the game. (This might seem extreme, idk.I can do more to defend this stance but I'm trying to keep it brief since this is just a youtube comment). Of course, in real life, once the game drops players are going to try to figure out the optimal way to deliver their inputs to the game, and designers are in no position to impose limitations on that practice. So to keep things super brief and jump straight to my conclusion: I think in a perfect world, there would be an input device whitelist that your controller has to be on to be used at events, which would include affordable and disability-accessible options. This opinion is, however, probably well outside of the FGC Overton Window, and I don't see the winds blowing in that direction either. In OUR world, FG devs should be taking more initiative to make sure that the input device they want players to use to play their game isn't obviously limiting in some way. Just to avoid a potential misunderstanding: in no way do I think it's any player's moral imperative to respect some invisible boundary of what they think their game's vision is and stick to that controller. Get your Ws.

[@JohnXuandou]

@@GlowingOrangeOoze I can understand that position, I just don't agree with it. If you're designing novel hardware that is immutable, then by all means design for specific controls in mind, but for PC games and consoles, that is literally beyond the scope of what the developer can control and so I see it as not just a bad idea to try and design around specific controls ignoring all other potential possibilities, I see it as poor form to try and dictate what the player should play on. Once the game is on my system, I decide how I'm going to interact with it, and that's just reality. The developer should be more concerned with fixing unintended outcomes in the software, which is something that is in their control. IMO, the rules are the software, anything that's in the game is within the rules of the game and is fair play. Problems that arise from nonstandard controls can and should be fixed from the software side, not by real world crackdowns.

[@GlowingOrangeOoze]

@@JohnXuandou @JohnXuandou I would reiterate that the controller whitelist concept would only be enforced at competitive events and only in my "perfect world" scenario, i.e., I understand that there are a lot of problems with this proposition that I'm not addressing here, such as enforcement and where the line is for simple controller mods. Trying to enforce the whitelist idea in the current FGC would be very counterproductive, and creating the FGC in which it could actually make life better for people would require a lot of rule-making and money-spending and is just not at all realistic. And, even if I were supreme dictator of the universe and got the opportunity to try my vision and think about all the systems and logistics necessary to make it a reality, I would support and encourage people to experiment with alternative input methods in non-tournament contexts. Their experiments could be pushing the medium forward. But yeah, for the world we actually live in, I think similarly to you. The best thing we can do is just start expecting developers to think about input devices when designing the software, and consider what kind of controllers their software is incentivizing players to use.

[@chrisludwig4729]

Prime Mena stomps prime Justin in SF. You can argue that Justin's dominance in the MvC franchise is more impressive than anything Mena has done, but that's not the question. Yes, Mena benefits from being able to find out tech much, much faster than Justin in his day. However, prime Mena doesn't have a definitive demon that's heavily favored to end his bracket run. Kakeru has been a tough matchup for him, but it's not like people just pencil Mena into losers if he's playing Kakeru. Justin has never been able to consistently beat the best Japanese players in SF.

[@isaiahscaggs]

Sonic is great, but he isn't winning in the most popular fighting games. Marvel back then, and street fighter evo champs definitely hold a lot of weight to me.

[@aspenshadow7920]

bro called hbox honeybox lmao

[@Aegis_Crimson]

I think Justin has been in evo top 8 for the most different games, too. It's scary to think he could've easily surpassed 10 evo wins if things went just a bit differently over the years. Also, I got into the FGC through "It's Mahvel Baybee."

[@beam5655]

Tokido has him beat, 12 games to Justin's 11

[@CookinKungFu]

Would love to hear you yap bout Tekken sir!

[@baileyharris7613]

NRS games are absolutely bum games.

[@baileyharris7613]

Sonicfox is godlike tho, don't get me wrong.

[@popedanei]

10:26 yup crystal ball 🔮

[@Za_Phantom]

18:59 JUSTIN AINY EVEN ANSWER THE QUESTION, BRO TALKED ABOUT THE PAST, NOT THE FUTURE

[@DukeApples]

I was curious how you set up this interview, but this is just you watching a video and reacting 😢

[@loganmcgee18]

This fool said "doesn't Tokido have like 11..?" *checks his OWN MADE GOOGLE SHEET ON IT* Tokido has like 3-4 lolol

[@nameputhpong9041]

Who’as the boomer and who’s the zoomer? Cus BOTH y’all be givin unc vibes.

[@GWEMLINN]

Okay but sonic fox does play against plumbers in nrs

[@tayterrell4723]

I started playing fighting games because of moment 37 :D

[@itloaf]

i said the same thing watching this - this is a good video but it's mad biased lol

[@spman2099]

For the record... yeah, sorry man, I'm not going to rate having an EVO win in Injustice the same as having an EVO win in MVC2. Sorry, dude, but NRS games don't have the same level of competition as the other big titles. I would rate Idom's online Evo win over all that shit. And deep down inside, you know that's right. SonicFox is among the best to have ever done it, but NRS games don't have that same level of competition. Are we all going to just pretend they do? Come on.

[@TannerLindberg]

There's a reason sonic fox can't win outside of Mrs games lmao he's a scrub

[@beam5655]

Nah Evo online ain't shit. A main stage Evo is a main stage Evo, no two ways around it. Having said that, obviously SF and Tekken are the most prestigious due to entrants and competition.

[@ZyroVfx]

@@TannerLindberg we are not gonna sit here and do sonicfox downplay bro

[@doublevendetta]

​@@TannerLindberg Clown take, they've won plenty besides

[@Malacai087]

@@TannerLindberg Skull girlz?? DBFZ??? hello??

[@SmilePecoSmile]

I think arcade sticks are obsolete now and have been for years. I can't think of a single objective reason for someone brand new to fighting games to use one over leverless or pad. Even ignoring pad for older games, what is doable on stick that is harder on leverless? Use what you like and you will succeed but that debate always grinds my gears lol.

[@KeshavKrishnan]

The only real input I can think of is 360 command grabs. Doable on both but harder on leverless. For me, floats like dbfz or mvc2 are harder on leverless than stick but that might be just me

[@TannerLindberg]

Sonic fox should be down played lmao. 300 people in mk1 evo dude its a bum game. Literally

[@beam5655]

Most Evos is most Evos. If he gets 9 then that's just a fact. Now that doesn't mean he's the GOAT or anything, but you can't take it away.

[@Snooopysniper12]

Im going to be real honest the 3rd strike evo clip is mad overrated