Nice Opinion. What Influencer Told You That?

[@lordknightclips7878]

Go check out the original video here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ3WgXaDrclki5Y

[@tldreview]

Mr youtuber please tell me.... should I enjoy this video? Should I like it and/or subscribe to the channel?? I am lost without your opinion, send help

[@zeywop]

yo LK it’d be tight if you could put like a “Streamed on (X/XX/XXXX)” in the description. if u have ur reasons for not doing so i understand but it helps provide context sometimes

[@lordknightclips7878]

ngl I never thought of that lol

[@negative1n139]

Another issue that wasnt brought up is if you are a low/mid tier player your opinions are always disregarded. Due to the level of your skill you pretty much arent allowed to have an opinion without someone immediately discrediting it. So of course they are going to be looking for pro players that share a similar sentiment in order to get the stamp of approval for their opinions. You cant tell people to form their own opinions when almost unanimously fgc thinks anyone below the highest tier of gameplay isnt knowledgeable enough to have one.

[@eebbaa5560]

this might be the most refreshing thing i've read on the internet in a while. i don't even have much to say about the issue. if you're not in the "in crowd," you don't matter in the fgc. i've never seen such a fake and delusional group of people tbh. and it's also hilarious to see this opinion coming from someone like sajam of all people, who is one of the most insidious "thought leaders" tastemakers whatever you wanna call it in the fgc. i bet if you said this shit live in his chat you'd probably get dismissed by him and then ridiculed by the chat. the fgc is honestly just a miserable and monolithic community.

[@Johnny-su6yo]

I think this is for a similar reason that the opinions of stuff that a kid says isn't often taken seriously by adults. Often times lower level players complain about how broken something is when it has pretty easy counter play if you know what you're doing. I don't think their opinions should really be discredited, but I think that people should try to teach them what to do better in certain situations. And sometimes they're straight up right about stuff as well.

[@ArkadijsZaptesburka]

Whenever someone is complaining about this, I expect them posting some insane shit, ngl. Some people treat twitter as a pvp zone but for the most part no one will care about even fairly controversial opinions unless you hit the perfect combo of highly visible and obviously wrong.

[@scnoz1430]

Because low/ mid level players usually are losing to basic strategies and they don’t understand the game enough to have a worthwhile opinion to listen to. You wouldn’t ask a high schooler for opinions on the latest cancer research.

[@Obviously_Nick-O]

I don't think lower "tier" players opinions should be discredited, but it must be considered that they usually lack the critical knowledge that affects the game. "Small things" like knowing when and how to IB or FD can really change the way a MU is played let alone knowledge checks and OS-es. It's up to us to clear up that knowledge issue, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and even and higher to pro players always argue about stuff since stuff is very subjective - as much as I love LK there's a lot of stuff I've historically disagreed with as both a player and a 3rd party onlooker.

[@no_nameyouknow]

Some people might say that watching a video of LK watching a video of Sajam watching a video is an insane way to spend your free time. To them I say, the future is now old man.

[@Blusmj]

10:38 so real. I could never be a front face for a community. Ppl are way too obnoxious lmao

[@kevingriffith6011]

Seriously. Listen to how people talk to August (a champion designer for League of Legends) on his steam. Guy is generally reasonable, well presented and actually does his research to make sure that he's not stretching the truth... but It's a nonstop storm of "This guy's an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about", "Another L take from Riot August", "Riot should fire this guy *right now*" on every single video.

[@bruhyote132]

@@kevingriffith6011League has a special kind of player base. They don’t know jack shit about game dev, neither do I, but they know that if they put the blame on the devs for making such a shitty game they don’t need to blame themselves for being hard stuck silver lmao It’s the same kind of idiots that would claim “I could be diamond if I really cared and my team didn’t suck”. Yeah sure bro, sure you would be lol

[@dreaomine1008]

The channel pfp and title combo is fucking hilarious on mobile

[@Greenleaf_]

Another point is a lot of people mix up advice and opinions. Like if I wanted to buy a tractor and I ask tractor fans what to buy, should they say "Buy all the tractors and make your own opinion". This applies to characters, if someone's asking a streamer about if a character is good or not it's because they don't want to go and try every character in the game and devote a shit ton of time before committing to one at random.

[@Pandaman64]

This is a real good point

[@lintecassidy206]

i feel like a lot of the time when people come out with the hot take "X is mid" like months or years after release when they didn't think that before, what they're really saying is "I'm bored of thinking about this thing"

[@axis8396]

I think the key distinction is between when people say "x person says y" and "x person says y because z". The former just shows you can parrot the information, the latter shows you understand the point at least to a degree. Most people don't spend nearly as much time and thought into properly articulating their thoughts as they probably should but it's easier to just say "person I typically agree with says x so that's probably at least part of my issue". This is also before factoring that people just naturally tend to surround themselves with people they agree with so they're likely to agree with whatever that person said because of those overlapping tastes and distastes.

[@bug-deal]

Not disagreeing, but "x person says y" is at least a step up from just "actually, y"

[@as95ms98]

Completely agree. It's why in League you'll see weird balance changes that don't seem to make sense or address problems with the majority of players. It's cause those changes are done to balance specificallly pro play. The highest level and professional play in all esports is an entirely different game, even compared to a casually competitive level.

[@dectilon]

I played league for a bit when it was new, and then stopped. I dipped back in about a year ago, and it was absurd. Someone got teeth-grindingly mad at me for picking a non-meta character, and then they died to towers several times. I don't know if their opinions flow up to the devs, but pro opinions at least clearly flow down.

[@ExeErdna]

That's how a lot of fighting games end up "dead" because of 1 major's results and now things are goofy for the casual/mid tier player. Where the pros still ain't happy

[@dj_koen1265]

@@dectilon ye its so silly, they can die 5 times before 10 minutes then blame their jungler for not being there when they got ganked

[@machinethundersamuraiinfan5343]

Players DO listen to Leffen at the lower level, I assure you. You said "they'd just disagree with you," but they don't do that, that's sort of what the guy is saying. They copy their opinions wholesale.

[@user-et3xn2jm1u]

Leffen fans listen to Leffen, mainly

[@machinethundersamuraiinfan5343]

@@user-et3xn2jm1u Leffen fans + people who are new to fighting games and aren't aware of the difference between making a statement and whining (which is a massive part of the community). If you've been in the community a while you typically know who to listen to. But new players have no idea. And they respect the opinion of someone with thousands of hours more than their own, and just take it.

[@bruhyote132]

Haven’t heard anyone else talk about the “ we’re at that point in the game’s life where people say “actually it was mid.” “ when you spoke about Tears of the kingdom. That is fucking FACTS. Bro, the amount of people back in 2011 that used to tell me I should REALLY buy skyrim because it’s the best game ever made is crazy. Nowadays these same bums swear to me that they can only tolerate skyrim with mods 😂😂 They some cappin’ ass mfkers bro

[@fillername917]

0:59 that's oomf 😭😭😭

[@biggiewiggie5557]

Love how much mileage the "yes sirrr" clip is getting

[@jeanrushmer8192]

He's actually so right about the 2xko, lol has had this issue since pros have been making KZbin videos. High elo games does not equal low elo games

[@FranklinODonnel]

One thing I really hate is the classic "if you know so much where's your fighting game?" retort or whatever. Like bruh I don't need to be a michellin star chef to know when my salad is burnt

[@Evil-Fry]

i think the real problem is ppl not making their own opinions instead of them repeating one, because most of the time, ppl feel represented by an opinion of an influencer, and sometimes ppl have problems with a game and they dont find the right words, so they use the influencer opinion instead of their own

[@tylercafe1260]

It's a lot of things. Usually the problem is talking to other players. There's legitimately zero reason to talk to other players in a modern context. So most people arguing are completely insane people

[@OneTiredFella]

I'm liking for that title alone. Gave me a good laugh

[@JameboHayabusa]

I think most people who call a game mid, have never played a shitty game.

[@Yozora_Jan]

>My own opinion is invalid to top level because im mid level so anything i say is offsetted by my lack of high level understanding >If i take top level opinions that resonates with me I'm just a sheep that cant think for myself The solution has been to just accept the game as it is and forget about telling devs anything/accept all FG problems as problems and try to find solutions instead of warcrying for nerfs. Makes my life easier at the end of the day.

[@youtubeacc69469]

nah people definitely copy Leffs opinions. I would just take a peek at his stream/his discord/youtube comments. There are a ton of players that ONLY engage with leffen as an FGC figure.

[@JackTR21]

He's kinda curated his own cult of personality

[@Iminsideyourwalls99]

Lord Knight told me that opinion

[@huevonesunltd]

The "scrub takes" are what have the most weight when it comes to patch notes , in any game, including single player games. and it's even worse when it comes from an "authority" such as a "pro" player or just some inffluencer who is terrible at the game and has no idea but has a lot of views, a lot of people take what these people say to heart.

[@juegobuenoyomalo9501]

is the background music ff 7? I know i know it but i'm not entirely sure. Chrono Trigger?

[@Vanity0666]

Super Metroid Brinstar

[@juegobuenoyomalo9501]

Ahhhh true

[@TheNewblade1]

I thought cross tag was mid. Maybe it's cause I'm a combo goblin, but I couldn't get over not being able to do my original blaz blue combos

[@guiltyoregano7131]

Lk was cooking then he brought up bb tag. That game was goated ngl

[@DeadbeatShadows]

LK, the Zelda community was expressing disappointment with Tears of the Kingdom off the rip. It wasn't the typical Zelda love/hate cycle that occurs over tine, we had multiple hours long essays on its midditude within a month of release. I understand the urge deep down to be a contrarian, I have it lol But TotK just kinda blows imo. (I also got bored of BotW quick though so these style of Zelda games just aren't for me.)

[@porkt3887]

I dont think LK is saying its unreasonable to not like TOTK, more that its a reach to say its a low quality game, even if its not what you wanted from the series

[@DeadbeatShadows]

@@porkt3887 I was more responding to LK's insinuation that the turn against TotK was a part of the grander meme of how people turn on the latest Zelda game after it's been out for a bit, then re-evaluate the game after a new one comes out. The backlash against TotK from many was immediate and was expressed in detail. LK can like what be wants, I respect the unapologetic attitude he has in regards to his takes. But TotK dislike is not the Zelda cycle meme.

[@porkt3887]

@@DeadbeatShadows I mean, you didn't like BOTW so of course you dont like TOTK, but reception at launch was overwhelmingly positive aside from the people who already were unhappy with the direction. It took a while before I saw much of the BOTW>TOTK discourse

[@DeadbeatShadows]

@@porkt3887 Do you watch Zelda lore videos, or are you involved with the lore community? They were expressing disappointment off the jump because TotK did not do BotW lore justice, something I do agree about. I may not have enjoyed playing BotW, but the lore had a ton of potential that TotK really didn't do anything with.

[@porkt3887]

@@DeadbeatShadows No I hadn't seen that, I think that's a fair complaint, it just seems like a bit of a stretch to refer to them as "The zelda community" and that saying TOTK isnt mid would be a contrarian take. I think those who were disappointed have plenty of good reasons but I still think they are greatly outnumbered by the people who enjoyed both, or who got into the series with TOTK (the fastest selling game in the history of the franchise) and enjoyed it, I think they are a part of the zelda community now too

[@xHuie]

super metroid ost based

[@lagspike7763]

The real tech is to sidestep the issue and become part of a community's front-facing image that specifically nobody takes seriously

[@JackTR21]

Can't take an L if you don't form an opinion

[@buff00n3ry]

fwiw, I thought TotK was mid cuz I played BotW and thought it was mid. Then people I know who felt the same way I did about BotW confirmed for me that TotK was mid.

[@Student_DBFZ]

What does "vet" mean? 12:26

[@deaddreamdance]

to "vet" something means to just check it on your own and confirm it with your own hands and experience.

[@Student_DBFZ]

@@deaddreamdance thank you.

[@kyleflournoy7730]

To Personally verify that something meets a certain standard

[@dariusd1090]

Yes sir!

[@labcoatgorilla6784]

I at least have faith that the cannons have seen the constant parroting, and so have league devs. Maybe they can drown out the crowd.

[@tuannguyencanh6096]

"Ky loses on his own offense"

[@emmett_m]

Lk I can’t believe you don’t like BBTAG 😭 that game is my holy text I stg

[@Vanity0666]

Nearly the entire cast is paid dlc

[@emmett_m]

@@Vanity0666 I could say the same about Tekken 7, and SFV and so on and so on. The game still rocks. If u want dlc the full roster goes on sale for 4 dollars regularly

[@seththeace6217]

Im ngl, i would never listen to anything leffen says, he just comes off as entitled and complaining all the time. He would actually be complaining about shit as he counterplays the thing he's moaning about perfectly and kills his opponent for doing it. It just feels like such a disconnect between what he does and what he says.

[@ackmedzambosama5327]

You were wrong on Vegito. Never forget that

[@user-et3xn2jm1u]

Yeah well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

[@atbtrendy9932]

How the fuck you gonna say bbtag is mid bruh

[@KidArkx]

Chipp loses on offense and wins on defense

[@bulb9970]

Open world Zelda is definitely mid tho

[@Void-qz1zd]

Uhh based department

[@notlunaticdancer4393]

Nerf Zato

[@fou.luz1983]

This kind of discussion doesn’t happen in any other pro environment but videogames and especially in the FGC. Not every opinion has the same value. Sorry. A physics college student 99,99% of the cases would probably be wrong against a graduate and expert physicist that actually works as physicist. So, sorry, to have certain opinions to be considered you need to reach a minimum level of knowledge in order to be able to be part of the conversation and be taken seriously. If you don’t know shit about frame data, you cannot be discussing if this should be plus or negative. If you can’t properly land basic combos, you cannot speak about optimization. But we live in an era where it’s more important to have your opinion respected than actually have valid points. And that’s how we got to flat earthers in 2024. Because opinions and belief systems have more value than experience and facts.

[@FlyXcur]

That's not true these kinds of debates happen in almost every community that can exist. Fandoms, sports, critics of media etc. people parrot other people's opinions all the damn time. You ever have an opinion on a movie or a show you've never watched off of other people's discourse about it? You're a victim of em

[@patcoen92]

Addressing the most important point: Three houses was actually mid af wannabe persona5 so bad , batallions more like buttallions, wyvern lord only meta having ass game.

[@wrlk636]

Your videos are way too easy to watch all the way through

[@egebamyasi2929]

Tears of the Kingdom is a trashfire of recycled content, pointless additions and a horrible story. My Fun/Bored ratio was around 20:80, while in BotW is was reversed. There's only so many times I can help a guy put up a sign before I say "Fuck this" and that's maybe 5 times ... but there are 81 of those. What a disappointment of a sequel. And before you attribute it to the Zelda cycle, I praised BotW at launch and loathed TotK at launch. It was simply a dropped ball.

[@Vanity0666]

Ok but I liked it

[@rare9247]

LK I love u but 3 houses is 100% mid. maybe not compared to other games, but compared to other fire emblem games? actual shit

[@eebbaa5560]

it’s solid and better than birthright and engage tbh

[@rare9247]

@@eebbaa5560 engage was a dumpster fire storywise but it felt so much more replayable than 3h. There was so much customization and room for creativity in that game as opposed to 3h. The battle in it was genuinely well designed, just everything else was weak. 3H imo was the weakest title by far cause the characters were all pretty lame, Dimitris story was fun but edelgard was incredibly cringe Claude was just kinda there. No really iconic supporting units either, with pretty boring combat. Obviously its my opinion and anyone can disagree, but im consistently surprised that any FE fan that has played more than 3-5 FE games liked that game in any capacity

[@as95ms98]

...bruh how the hell is Three Houses actual shit compared to other FE games? Let alone mid??

[@rare9247]

@@as95ms98 like I said its just my opinion, but its by far my least favorite to the point I really feel a lot of doubt about future ones. The story felt so shallow and a caricature of how complex other FE games were. Edelgard feels like she was written by a 15 year old, and Claude was kinda just there. I really dislike a lot of the systems they added in 3H and hope they dont continue. It felt like battle was the least fun and creative it ever was in that game. I felt like they leaned so far into the social aspects but at the same time the battle really sucked. I just dont like the social/battle balance ratio in that game compared to the other ones. IMO the battle is the most important part and they whiffed on it, ontop of having some of the most insufferable MCs of FE history. As wack as engage was storywise (worse than 3h) the battle was sick as hell and so creative, it really encouraged you to do second and third runs to see what everyone was capable of. obviously story and battle are both important but if the battle sucks then the story is kinda pointless

[@boredomkiller99]

I played the whole series and three houses is comfortably in the upper half of the series even if we just focus on gameplay. However it does have the issue that it had the most bloated battle preparation. Though most of the modern games have this issue. Also while I do think Engage is better overall in terms of actual battle, but even then there are lot's to complain about like possibly the worse homogenizing of units in the series