"A takeover by dumb" | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter | The Glenn Show

[@karenhuff2777]

I agree with John. This is not a world I want to live in. Getting up each day to fight the fight makes one weary. Being a black woman who is ostracized by other blacks for questioning our race gets lonely.

[@jamessgian7691]

You’re not alone. No despairing or insanity wins. Keep going.

[@bromack3]

You are not alone. I am a black man and conservative. Just understand one thing, what they are doing is called "gaslighting." They figure if they keep repeating the same old nonsense, you'll eventually start to agree with them. The black tribe knows this stuff is stupid, but many have a greater fear of being called an uncle tom or sellout just like white folk don't like being called a racist. You and I don't have that type of weakness in character. And thats a good thing.

[@craigsmith1443]

Karen, it seems to me that you do not 'question your race' but rather lead others in the right way. Many will not follow, but some will, for you are going in the right direction.

[@m.chumakov1033]

Karen, maybe it's time for you to become a Republican? At least loneliness will not be one of your problems.

[@TheUnholyPosole]

@@bromack3 Look up "5th generation warfare".

[@chocmilk10]

I’m a black woman who visits this channel repeatedly like an oasis in the desert. Please understand you two are being heard and appreciated by many black Americans even if you feel like you’re speaking into the abyss. There are many of us who reject the victim terminology we hear constantly and are appalled at the direction this country is moving toward particularly in academia.

[@chocmilk10]

@Brandon May The word black twice in a paragraph is not many. If it’s too much for you or others that’s fine, everything isn’t for everybody. Thanks for the feedback.

[@our2kidsMR]

We are losing the country because adults are conceding to the demands of masses of young people with underdeveloped prefrontal cortices.

[@vladynick]

Then how do you explain the professors and teachers???

[@africkinamerican]

that's a BIG problem. Notice the notion of All-Wise Youth is being pushed from the top down. Including in the music.

[@sillygoose4472]

Very reductionist point of view. These ideas have been preparing for 30 years in the universities

[@junebloom1587]

You have it backwards, the youth are being brainwashed by neoliberal scumbags who are playing them for useful idiots. As you said their brains are undeveloped and easily influenced by propaganda from their teachers. Now is the time to seize control of the schools and send these neoliberal Marxists to the firing squad, each and every one. Neocons who started the war in Iraq can be lined up next to them.

[@lil_sumpinsi9961]

@@vladynick most teachers / professors grew up super liberal , did tons of drugs , remained in the school system their whole lives , went to hs , went to college then started teaching in college . So most professors never grow up . Many still think like children since they are abs were always around children .

[@conorkeyes3930]

I can give you an idea of just how CRT is a virtue signalling religion. I'm Irish and live in Ireland and the black population are predominantly of Nigerian background. They make up less than one tenth of one percent of the population. The Nigerian culture seems very much in line with Irish culture. Nuclear family, education and religion are very important and so the obvious follows on, very law abiding and economically upwardly mobile. Yet , CRT is starting to leak into the culture from the universities even though it have zero relevance to our history and culture or that of the black community here. Pushers of CRT here are the brainwashed wokesters who seem to have no idea that what they are applying their ideology to doesn't make any sense at all.

[@m.chumakov1033]

CRT is a hatred propaganda, sort of like Satanism. Should be opposed at all costs.

[@JB-ti7bl]

Conflict sells.

[@thesmirkinggrape]

You're going to be surprised when you see your next census. Your people are path of being a minority in Ireland by 2050.

[@thesmirkinggrape]

@J T what would you like to know? How demographics works?

[@conorkeyes3930]

@@thesmirkinggrape I don't think that's correct. Over 95% of the population are white. That won't change by that much in 30 years.

[@nubianpwr]

I really like these 2 scholars. Not because they're "Black"; rather, because they're "independent" American thinkers who happen to be of African descent.

[@GoDaveGo]

I agree. Some things they say I agreed with before they said it, some things they persuade me about, and some things I disagree with. But they bring sharp arguments.

[@davethebrahman9870]

I don’t agree. There a very few black academics standing up against the racial grift. If these guys were white their ideas wouldn’t be so potent; and they show enormous courage in following universal principles rather than self interest.

[@nubianpwr]

@@davethebrahman9870 I understand the sentiment, and agree to this extent... they have chosen a more adaptable and less confrontational approach, and in the end it may prove self-sacrificial. But, I happen to think this counterbalance of "conservative" Black American ideology is necessary due to the predominantly "liberal" ideology that currently consumes and degrades Black culture. Think about it...

[@davethebrahman9870]

@@nubianpwr I agree. Much of what they say is obvious, but it takes extraordinary bravery to tell the Emperor that he has no clothes; particularly in the present climate.

[@theblindprogrammer]

The fact that you felt the need to differentiate between blackness and their independence underlines the prejudicial assumption that black people, by default, are not great thinkers, and by implication these two are an exception that needs to be advertised. It is akin of calling black person is articulate as if him being black somehow negates being articulate. You will never hear a white man's intelligence prefaced as a "great white thinker", they are just great thinkers. But whenever a black intelligent guy is praised, there is always a preface, and always an asterisks that needs to be qualified.

[@lebenergy247]

I keep you two at the top of my list for sanity and feedback - this is CRAZY!

[@zengjanezhu]

You shall include Thomas sowell.

[@retrojazzdanceandmore]

Remarkable conversation. I wish, I wish, I wish more people would reflect on your discussions.

[@Thomas...191]

Well said. That has been the thoughts of regular listeners for years.

[@timothyosner3733]

You are not alone John . . .

[@Libertariun]

I wish I had someone like either of them I could bounce my thoughts off. It’s not just the US. The world has gone over an edge. We carry on.

[@HVDonkeyPark]

Regarding reflective engagement, this is the crux of the most important battle of our times. It is not Republican vs Democrat, right vs left, black vs white, religious vs secular, etc, but reason vs emotion. And we can blame our success as a culture because it allows emotion to go unpunished. There was a time when survival required reason and hard work. Emotion should derive from reason, not drive reason.

[@rikcoach1]

And the uber rich sit back and say “don’t pay attention to the man behind the curtain.” Because they know if we stopped paying attention to the outrage du jour then we just might look at the real problem.

[@christinamjp]

My 1st time watching and listening to these 2 guys and it is extremely rewarding and very exciting thank you.🙏🐾

[@kathleenirish]

Exactly

[@JeffCaplan313]

YAY for 3rd/4th wave feminism!!! 🙄😒

[@mkm1206]

May I quote you ? Perfect analogy

[@timty8224]

You are certainly not alone, Professor Mcwhorter. I'm 67 years old and have never felt more depressed and hopeless about the world I find myself mired in. You and I and so many other good and conscientious people are recoiling from the very things you describe.

[@kerwinbrown4180]

Leftest ideology is opposed to the rule of law. It is also "progressive" even though civilization is linked to the rule of law. Read the code of Hamurrabi.

[@prybarknives]

It's a very vocal, dumb minority, Tim, don't despair. The normal people are too busy doing normal things, to get deeply into this mess (unfortunately, and fortunately, I guess).

[@Orson2u]

THIS is America in decline, led by the maleducated and indoctrinated. As John says, DENY THEM!

[@1958lew]

Amazingly profound and thoughtfully expressed insight, …..so much to take in and learn here and…..from the comments of the show too! I moved on from Cable news being my main source of news years ago.

[@purpleivory2]

Mr. Loury is fast becoming my favorite public intellectual and ole McWhorter ain't too bad, either.

[@lisamontez9401]

I think McWhorter is getting even better with each show.

[@AZWings]

"What the fuck is all this?" - perfect. Thanks John (and Glenn).

[@eorobinson3]

John gettin outta character...love it.

[@markemc6007]

Snorted myself out of a work induced trance when he said this.

[@Landofjello]

I love the emotional outburst from John. Emotional responses as always

[@HRPFayetteville]

It's like we're living in crazy town I'm 49 and just can't believe this is happening

[@Paul-fb1em]

Seriously agree Michele! Crazy town, Bizarro world, it's like rational thought has disappeared.

[@billsimms2511]

I can’t either. I’m 40 and I never envisioned this type of thing happening. I’ve lost quite a bit of faith in humanity as a result

[@grieverff8ff9]

@Brandon May No it isn't. You could argue it's a matter of 'lack of faith' in multiple sphere's that allowed this to happen.

[@briansotosf85]

The only thing you can do is be on the right side of history. It's as McWhorter and people like James Lindsay have explained - this will never work in practice when applied broadly. It's impractical, unconstitutional, and recapitulative of pre-civil rights apartheid/reverse-Jim Crow. However many years it takes these momos to figure that out, it will eventually be realized.

[@TheUnholyPosole]

How can you all be so blind? We're living through an authoritarian regime change, orchestrated by the multi-national billionaires, that are going to use technology to control their "built back better" economies. Absence of logic, schools indoctrinating kids, history and words being redefined. All while the powerful, that literally use wars for financial gain, are propping up those it's historically oppressed. Look up "Neo-Feudalism" and "5th generation warfare". ... meanwhile every 80 years there's a big war, and it's been 80 years since the last real war, that was responsible for modern politics.

[@andrewwood7303]

It’s about time someone said it….’taken over by dumb.” This is the harsh truth - not necessarily dumb (stupid) people, although often this may be the case, but dumb ideas. It’s a BIT of what Michael Shermer refers to as “Why smart people believe weird things,” in the same way that anyone can believe weird things. It’s also a LOT of “we are now hearing from a lot of dumb people who would, pre-social media, never have been heard outside their social milieu.” Not only are we abandoning reflectiveness but we are abandoning discrimination, discrimination in the sense I prefer to understand it - namely, the inability to discriminate among ideas on the basis of their merits. John, thanks for your perfectly timed use of the F-bomb.

[@junebloom1587]

These neoliberal Marxist professors and their enabling politician allies need to be sent to the firing squad for treason. Then send their body bags to CCP China with a nice bow on top. They want to make this nation Communist they can be buried in Communist soil in China. My patience with them has run out and now I'm ready to send them to their graves. Third party control is coming in the near future.

[@elizabeth5193]

We absolutely NEED both of you Dr Loury and Dr McWhorter. I so appreciate your talks, they give me hope when I get discouraged like Dr McWhorter does at times. We need more thoughtful, honest, people with integrity like yourselves as we grapple with the extremism, religiosity, self righteousness that appears to be so prevalent nowadays. From a psychological perspective, we need to look at how people who have been traumatized try to exert control and can become the oppressors themselves. The dynamics when we are having these difficult conversations are very important to look at and understand.

[@scuffmacgillicutty7509]

Thanks for the double dose of sanity. Much appreciated. Happy father's day to all.

[@fgIII89]

I drop everything I'm doing when a new video from these two drop. Homework? It can wait. Cleaning dishes? It can wait. Giving my wife a break? She can wait lol

[@lance8814]

These men are intellectual giants compared to most people today...

[@buckatoms]

I feel John's pain. Some days I'm optimistic, other days I wonder if I should retreat. I agree with Glen, however. If we all rolled over, we're definitely done for.

[@billsimms2511]

Yep and I guess one of the biggest problems is knowing exactly what to do to combat this ideology…?

[@davidbuller9696]

"It is possible that we will lose; it is impossible that we must lose." -- Michael Malice

[@africkinamerican]

@@billsimms2511 Defund it?

[@junebloom1587]

@Brandon May Well I'm ready to fight, if they want to have a Civil War 2.0 then they can taste lead too. Send these Marxist SJWs to the firing squad, we need a strong third party to take control, no hope in the DNC or GOP either. They are controlled by narcissistic sociopaths and need to be thrown in the trash along with the politicians who lie and laugh at our collective pain.

[@carylhalfwassen8555]

You echo the theme of Ayn Rand novels like “The Fountainhead” or “Atlas Shrugged”.

[@Scaevola77]

Please both of you get on Rogan!

[@Maria-vo3lx]

ROGAN. God bless his Irish Italian heart.

[@ThunderAppeal]

@@Maria-vo3lx No. Fuck Rogan. He was a 9/11 troofer. FUCK ROGAN!

[@joiedevie3901]

These gentlemen offer a great array of point and counterpoint to critical issues of American society and politics. It is not about agreeing with everything they say; it is about respecting the integrity of their arguments and a willingness to being informed by them when their point is compelling. Even in the (few) areas where they disagree with each other, they engage with respect and consideration. Hopefully, Prof McWhorter's despondence will pass; the fact is that this IS the world he--and the rest of us--live in. No one ever said fighting for it would either be easy or readily rewarded.

[@poweraccountabilityleague6877]

The problem is they don't understand what the term "fighting back" means. They think if power is denied to evil, that in itself is evil. They are lost, because rationality requires a moral compass if it is to do anything positive for life.

[@kaynewling3455]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I admire your intelligence, your willingness to question, to think and to research, your articulateness and your determined courage. I lecture at a university in Texas and listening to your discussions gives me some hope that even in the circumstances of my educational endeavors that thoughtful and astutely examined ideas may prevail eventually.

[@JohnSmith-ji7xt]

We can only hope. :)

[@ATMyles]

We need both of you, gentlemen. I share Prof. McWhorter’s frustration - although mine is outright and utter despair - but please don’t give up.

[@ATMyles]

@Nasim Aghdam indeed.

[@zerofox5458]

A Myles I know what you mean .. take comfort in knowing you are not alone. Prayers and support from Canada where instead of a 🥔 we have a 💩

[@ATMyles]

@@zerofox5458 thanks for that. I love our neighbors to the north. Yes, we’re all governed by goofballs.

[@maryf10116]

Please don't leave us. The country quite frankly needs you both.

[@freespeechmom7738]

As a mom of boys, wife and daughter, it grieves me that we have deprived ourselves of Fathers, that we hold fatherhood in such low esteem that we can elevate a “biological” father and totally undermine the VALUE and necessity of a present father who parents. I’m sure in his daughters eye and her heart she does think her “ daddy” was her father. A child will give a lifetime pass to absent fathers out of their need. That’s another post. But I want to see us elevate fathers who are actually fathering! It maters.

[@lance8814]

Well said! It is so sad seeing what happens to these kids that grow up without a strong relationship with their fathers....

[@RA10H56]

Glenn and John, both of you have given me a excellent intellectual outlet during the past year. I don't know how i could manage without you. I wish you both the best and hope you continue to be one of the few sources of logic out there!!!

[@personanongrata9289]

“I’m underslept today” is not the most profound takeaway from this segment, but I am stone-cold stealing it. Haha

[@texasteri9213]

Thank you.

[@carlosm184]

Stay the course gentleman, the world needs you! Your willingness to publicly share your thoughts and observations are appreciated. I think you challenge people to honestly question some of the prevailing narratives.

[@Paul-fb1em]

I'm always so impressed by the level of intellectualism in your discussions. I look forward to listening to Prof Loury and Tucker talk about the problems confronting our society.

[@karenfornwalt9929]

@ 32:03 " this is not a world I want to be in"... I thank you for expressing my sentiments exactly. It would be so easy to retreat into our own private worlds, but we cannot give in to the Elect.

[@st2rl2]

Thank you John for verbalizing what I've noticed and has been rolling around in my head for some time. Lack of self reflection in our society today.

[@M_M_U_S_A]

Masterpiece. You both are among The Bravest of this generation

[@jdchatelain222]

You guys are needed!!!! More than ever!! Very few voices will be even remotely heard at this point in Time.

[@brianbutton6346]

When I was a teen, I started dating a Japanese woman. A friend of mine (he and I are white) asked me, ~ "Really? Are you dating her?" ~ "Uhhhh . . . yes" ~ "What about, you know, Pearl Harbor?" That is how bizarre the idea of inherited guilt is to me. This really happened. ~ ~ John, I understand why your heart is breaking. Mine too. IMHO this is creating catastrophic harm to a generation of young black people. I am at the other side of the world from Juilliard, metaphorically and literally. Just an entrepreneurial businessman. Young people who have lax parents and are cosseted (and misled) during college have a colossal disadvantage in the job market. It's permanent. And they will spend the rest of their lives thinking the blame belongs elsewhere.

The don’t teach CRT. They indoctrinate the ideology. No criticism of CRT is allowed

[@robdielemans9189]

That's a good one. Teaching any ideology has to include multiple viewpoints on the subject and opening up the classroom for debate and figuring out the pros and cons of said ideology. This is dogma.

[@pariah_carey]

anyone who teaches that ALL White People are invariably Oppressors, and that ALL Black People are invariably Oppressed, is teaching their students a Racist ideology, by definition. it doesn’t matter what it’s called, it’s the ideas which are derived from that ideology that should be considered objectionable. anyone who teaches that EVERY member of any one particular Racial Demographic Group is, or is not, ANYTHING, is by definition, teaching their students a Racist Belief. because they are making a PRE-Judgment about a group, and the individual members of that group, on the basis of their Race, without knowing anything else about them, personally, other than the color of their skin. and “prejudice on the basis of Race” is the definition of Racism, just as “prejudice on the basis of Sex” is the definition of Sexism. for instance, the belief that all White People are inherently racist is itself a Racist Belief.

[@heytoast7129]

I despise CRT as much as the next rational thinking person. I am however wary over the government involvement of banning it, that doesn't sit right with me. If it's as crazy as its made out to be (which I personally believe it is), there should be no problem refuting it and showing just how insane and damaging it is. Parents and, by extension, school boards should be deciding what is taught to our children. I've also noticed lately that proponents of it have switched from trying to defend it directly, instead have taken on a more subversive approach. They'll say, "all CRT is doing is teaching about (negative) history, you don't want to ban teaching history do you?" Trying to make is seem as if anyone against CRT is against teaching of history, warts and all.

[@Doxymeister]

@@heytoast7129 There's probably a great number of us subbed to this channel that are not fans of government involvement in our lives to varying degrees. I think that it's naïve to believe that academia will self-correct in this matter. The right/conservatives (and even center-left) have been asleep at the wheel for decades now when it comes to handing our youth over educators "in good faith". It's become evident that we're not even allowed to critique CRT, much less question the historical accuracy of it. I'm afraid waiting for this to "self correct" will result in another couple of decades of students down the drain. Sometimes we just have to hold our noses and ask government to step in, if academicians are unwilling to "heal themselves".

[@hallucinatedovens8414]

Right and it's not a theory, a theory implies method, it's a doctrine

[@zachking505]

Thank you both for all you do.

[@BS-gj5ot]

You guys are the best. We are all so fortunate to have both of you.

[@YoungSantasGroupie]

“Every time I turn a corner there is this person who is studiously non-reflective and telling me that it’s wrong of me to reflect, and is being elevated by the powers that be for the non-reflection” John McWhorter Yup.

[@iseektruth64]

So, so YUP! As usual, John McWhorter the word wizard lays it out!

[@africkinamerican]

Idiocracy.

[@Maria-vo3lx]

Cough, cough....CULT.

[@philippedesaulniers]

Awesome to get two hours today. This was a fantastic conversation- one of your best!

[@leftybelle7022]

The best conversations. Thanks fellas.

[@mikecross2435]

Thank you guys for everything you do. If we are able to make it out of this tumult it will because of people like you.

[@Sojourner24_7]

Lol, half of your audience are probably also Fox viewers, truth seekers can't be put in an ideological box.

[@kenhiett5266]

This episode is an excellent example of what is still good in this topsy-turvy paradigm we currently inhabit. There is a higher ideal and something left to fight for indeed. I say this as a Tucker Carlson viewer that has already watched the Fox Nation appearance in question. I'm an empirical example that Glenn's appearance was not made in vain. Cheers, gentlemen. Thank you for continuing the good fight.

[@AlphariusandOmegon]

I really appreciate this discussion, I've been feeling defeated lately watching CRT take all our institutions hostage, yet this edifying discussion has renewed my vigor for fighting this with every drop of energy I have. Well done gentlemen, truly appreciate it.

[@jamberry8026]

Lol!

[@cf6713]

Luckily for you CRT doesn’t exist…. So everything is fine

[@moochirumi2553]

Thank you for your viewpoints. I beg you to continue holding your stand firm openly and widely.

[@redronin2898]

First time hearing John McWhorter, very meticulous argumentation, I like him

[@andrewpage8759]

John McWhorter is an incredible, precise orator and a principled man. He’s one of the best

[@sigsfast]

I’m grateful that there are people having these honest conversations

[@michaelparsons3007]

I’ve been feeling the same sentiment as John here recently. Thank you for coming out and saying it. “This is not the world I want to live in.”

[@craigsmith1443]

'Is there any way of stopping this?' Yes, John, and you and Glenn, who are not alone, are the way to stop it. It's a long road. This level of madness will take time, and it will change us, I don't know how, but it will stop. There's no end to idiocy. I tell my history students that history is largely the story of smart people doing stupid things, but there are heroes and geniuses, too. As long as those who value liberty, respect, and unity more than power or even security, we will stop this.

[@craigsmith1443]

@Jonathan McBrine Great idea! Pastors usually are so busy that they see a, 'Here's a really good book,' as an interrupting imposition (they shouldn't), so I would recommend that, when giving them, you ask for a time in the 'near future' (a month? Make it a 'time certain' or it'll never happen) to get together (coffee --- your treat --- or Zoom?) and discuss it. Make sure that they are accountable for hearing *all* the truth. Pastors are human, too. Thanks, Jonathan!

[@craigsmith1443]

@Jonathan McBrine Well done.

[@craigsmith1443]

@Brandon May I appreciate what you say, and it is true that the woke won't go down without a fight, but that fight must not be on their terms or with their tactics. Martin Luther King was right, and fighting this good fight (which it really is) in hope is the only way. Speak the truth, pay attention, listen, and remember that people are listening. They want the true, the good, and the beautiful, not always in that order. Do what is beautiful, point out flaws, yes, but point always to the highest and best, speak about it, show how to get to it, be the best (which takes work). Eventually, it will matter, it will change people. If we respect all and desire their good and live what we say, the true will win.

[@jackmontrose7903]

Please don't stop your podcasts. They get me through the day until I can find that small town where I can be with my dogs and garden and prayers.

[@peetky8645]

hang in there john and glenn.

[@derekmoore6117]

Don’t give up hope gentlemen. The country needs you.

[@pariah_carey]

24:10 my 5th grade teacher showed my class the entire 6-part series of Roots, even though it took us like two weeks to watch the whole thing. and he was actually the best teacher I ever had. but for more reasons than just that. RIP Mr. E

[@antonywilkinson2824]

Gents, that was an amazing conversation and a privilege to listen to, thank you. I agree with Glenn that its tremendously important for the good of the world that neither of you retreat or "go quietly into that good night." Ideas are important and need to be debated because sometimes they are bad. Free speech allows this, making it also important and free thought first allows free speech. If I may, you gents are free thinkers. That is a gift and "to whom much is given, much will be required." Victor Hugo said " a stand can be made against invasion by an army, but no stand can be made against invasion by an idea." He never specified about whether the invading ideas can also be bad......

[@Brian-yc4mi]

It is always an education when I listen to Mr. Glenn Loury and Mr. John McWhorter. Both are engaging, significant thinkers with tremendous depth of real substance - period.

[@richardsandals785]

Please stay strong, John and Glenn. Believe that there are many of us around the world (I am from Oz) that are with you all the way.

[@robertenglehardt9706]

I agree with you John- feel the same way- but we can’t leave our kids with this-you both have a great deal of meaning to offer- not your job but we sincerely thank you patriots

[@Maria-vo3lx]

I feel the exact same way. We have to at the very least offer a hopeful future to our children. I say our children because every child is our responsibility.

[@greenkestrel]

I can't believe how amazing it is to eavesdrop on your conversation. Thank you.

[@StormTrysail]

Glenn and John are so far ahead of the National dialogue on race and black culture. Let’s just hope the rest of the country can catch up or we are done for. John is at a low point and I can relate to that. Let’s just hope things can be turned around.

[@xaspirate8060]

Utterly ridiculous that in the USA in 2021 we are at this crazy junction with all things regarding race. I wish i had a dime for every time G;en and John shake their heads each day. If youre not Far Left or Rihgt these are the guys you need to tune into at least once a week. For the mny episodes Ive seen now I greatly appreciate the transparency.

[@anselbuhrman7419]

What I love about you guys is that there’s no hyperbole. What’s missing in the world we (you) discuss is a reverence for truth. I feel like that should be discussed. Thank you for your videos!

[@ruthklipp3357]

More people need to hear you, Glenn and John. I wish you would go on Joe Rogan for three hours or so!

[@atberry09]

That would be huge

[@carlosgaspar8447]

nah, i think john is right; too boring to simply spew the same conversation while agreeing with each other.

[@SageGamersX]

Every week john agrees with glenn more and more

[@MC-ii2in]

Don't quit! I believe truth will out. Sometimes you need faith.

[@phil5569]

Gentlemen, You two are among several public figures that are the tip of the spear in this fight to return the American experiment toward the path of reason and some sense of enlightened purpose. Don’t give up that fight! The world needs voices like yours!

[@cordyone]

I would love John to present a travel show, touring Europe and discussing the language and music.

[@jaysongibson]

Which is why you two gentlemen are needed. You’re doing good work, more people see it than you know. We do not have platforms unfortunately

[@brianbutton6346]

May I make a suggestion? One thing that would help a lot is to re-brand Critical Race Theory to, say, Critical Race Ideology. Branding is huge in humans for some reason. All kinds of garbage is tucked under deceptive terms. Theories have a special place in our culture and in science. They explain things that previously were unexplained. They are also, as it happens, disprovable. (If you find evidence that contradicts a theory, you discard the theory. That is not happening here.) We also teach theories to school children. Ideologies, not so much. Marxism, Catholicism, Atheism are ideologies. So is CRT.

[@troupsterT]

This is a good idea. Critical Race Theory is hardly a theory, it's more a philosophy or ideology. It doesn't predict or describe, it interprets. It's a normative and ethical ideology that is not objective or universal; its a very peculiar and particular way of interpreting social phenomena that puts assumptions first, much like a religious faith. Maybe it should be called "Critical Race Faith".

[@brianbutton6346]

@@troupsterT Nicholas, thank you. "not objective or universal". That is part of what I was trying to say. Ideologies should be taught in certain college majors. "Supply Side" is an ideology that is taught in college economics, presumably. That is OK for me. If we really wanna keep religion/atheism/Marxism out of elementary schools, then this should not be exempted.

[@africkinamerican]

Yes."Theory" sounds respectable and intellectual. CRT is neither.

[@africkinamerican]

@UberKrassMann it's also racist against people of color, and that it presumes us to need saving by the institutions of power...led mostly by white marxists.

[@theblindprogrammer]

Like Pro-Life means anti-choice, and Pro-Choice is pro-eugenics.

[@mathieuguillet4036]

Another fine conversation, gentlemen. Thank you.

[@ComedyJakob]

I think that John would be a good president. He has great character, and he doesn't want the job, a combination that makes you the right man for the job.

[@Brian-yc4mi]

I think I lean more towards Glenn's politics than I do to John's but I would have tremendous respect for either.

[@cassiecat7038]

He’d be fantastic.

[@dvg4104]

He would get rolled from Day One. Politics is a particular sport. You have to play it for awhile to get good at it. It helps to have experience as both a legislator and an executive.

[@danpeterson7327]

Critical thinking is an art that has been lost in our consumer driven society over the past 40 years. Thank you men.

[@rikcoach1]

When someone says to me “people of color” I’m tempted to say, “so we’re talking about colored people?” Somebody hold me back because I’m gonna do it!

[@zoso73]

I react the same way. These are insane times.

[@cosuinofdeath]

“People of color?” “Looks at white skin huh…Guess I’m just clear or something”

[@John-Brown]

I respond by insisting that I'd be called a "colorful person."

[@yeahaboutthatthough3656]

As long as you're comfortable being referred to as: "people of no color," "useless crayon," "blank Google document," "snow cricket," "vanilla vulture," "mayo monkey," "ranch racoons," "elmer's glue," "cauliflower conquerors," "marshmallow fellows," "no seasoning seagulls," "yogurt yodellers," "salt rocks," "vanilla wafers," "sentient snowmen," "Clear people," "Feta cheese folks," "Toilet paper travelers," and "milk men."

[@gaylacedarpark3094]

This helped me. I've felt discouraged. I remind myself that every reasonable voice must keep speaking. Together is the only way we have any chance. This is the moment. Its hard, its discouraging, but its also absolutely necessary that we fight for this country. I don't want to abandon the future of this country. I keep going for the sake of my child, if not for myself.

[@andrewpage8759]

I’m standing with you

[@SirBoden]

The autistic community, which I’m a part of, has been battling against advocates for us for years. We have a saying: Not about us without us. The virtue signaling advocates have done so much damage and they are so large in Numbers, all I can do at this point is help one young autistic person at a time understand they are not broken even though all the advocates are telling them they’re broken and need to be fixed. The parallels I see many communities going through right now are tragic but people of good consciousness can’t give up, we have to stand between the people who are doing harm while thinking they’re doing good things and the people that they want to “help”. We’re all in this together

[@CryoftheProphet]

These are quite possibly two of my favorite human beings on planet earth. Absolutely brilliant, a pure joy to listen to and if we are lucky catch some of their brilliant nuggets of insight.

[@brianjoyce9040]

Thanks guys, no matter the color. It is just interesting hearing your perspectives vs common major media junk

[@billrichardson2134]

This one of the best, most interesting conversation that I have seen/heard on KZbin. Gentlemen, I have never heard of either one of you. I’m so impressed by your reflections. I’ll certainly be searching for more conversations between both of you. Please keep up the outstanding work. Thank you so much.

[@MM-wi5dn]

I feel the same way as John. DEI is overwhelming every institution and it feels unstoppable.

[@MH-mc3pp]

thank goodness for these guys

[@blueviper8622]

It’s important to remember that we aren’t alone.

[@johnstranack4689]

You guys help retain my faith of staying around. Like John I also feel despair for the way things are going . Hang in there we need the voice of reason.

[@jedlee2194]

Being truly helpful is so much work with rarely any recognition. Raising kids to be functional adults. Going to work every day to keep the world turning. Wokeness offers all the recognition with out any of the work. The only thing they sacrifice is the truth. Which is incredibly easy if you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain in a new hierarchy that can be climbed by simply stating certain moral positions and beliefs.

[@TheAnniegoo]

Well put.

[@africkinamerican]

It's just another version of what Bastiat called political plundering. Some gain by producing; others gain by taking what others produce.

[@nowcsp]

Thanks guys!

[@posieglom3215]

RE Reflecting: I mentioned to someone (woke) that I would love to know what a certain brilliant deceased famous person would say about our times, on the whole range of politics from left to right, and he said, "You'd be disappointed." I said I couldn't be because I simply want to know what they would think. And he continued insisting I'd be disappointed, implying that the famous person would take the opposite stance of my own. It was really hard to convince him that I COULD NOT be disappointed, because I simply want to know what that person thought, and even if it was opposite to my own leanings, I'd be interested to hear the person's "whys." And I think that is a huge part of the problem, as you both are saying. People do not even understand what it means to reflect. They do not understand or feel the need to turn issues over and examine them from all angles, whether a few degrees off or 180 degrees. To hear something that does not fit snuggly into their own world view is to be automatically disappointed, and there is no curiosity around alternate viewpoints. And maybe that is the curse for those of us who cannot help being that way. Life would be so much easier if we didn't turn stuff over in our heads and, as a result, see things in this heterodox way. And of course I always wonder WHY this seems to be a scarcely found trait (which I think has less to do with "intelligence" than a need for logic and justice (not the fake kind)). Anyway, please stay the course and as always, thank you for all you do.

[@RA10H56]

I wish more people would listen to you, understand you and believe you both

[@ryanalexander5438]

As a descendant of a Scot, Braveheart is too painful for me.

[@deanisabella3307]

00⁰000⁰0

[@jamesdodge7941]

I've got Scott in my blood, I enjoyed the story

[@carlosgaspar8447]

or you have a man-crush on mel with them locks.

[@coreymc9650]

Just discovered Glenn Loury and I greatly appreciate his objective and logical reasoning. I hope his influence can reach out to more millennials like myself.

[@nicholassmith3719]

I appreciate serious scholars taking this seriously and confronting it.

[@Survivalsheath6]

Great conversation

[@bobtoner9820]

I'm thinking of a favorite quote from Socrates "the unexamined life is not worth living"

[@faedri]

Glenn, that was super inspiring. We need both of you. Thank you.

[@marcopolo242]

Can we all just figure out a way to get these two guys on the ticket in 2022?

[@robertferguson533]

They’re way too smart to be politicians

[@marcopolo242]

@@robertferguson533 agreed, but it is that mentality over the last couple of generations that has led to our government being run by a combination of ideologues, criminals and outright buffoons

[@robertferguson533]

@@marcopolo242 There are some good ones but they’re few and far between. I like Desantis , Kristi Noem and Tulsi Gabbaed

[@robertferguson533]

I meant Gabbard

[@chadtucker8060]

Don't quit! The world needs truth. Intention does not supercede fact. Thank you for this video. It brought me hope.

[@miamikaos5958]

The funniest thing about John being a liberal but somehow not equating all he has problems with (ie: being called uncle tom, not black, shunned if you appear on fox, protested on college campuses) all come from the left, the side he's aligned with.

[@glenschumannGlensWorkshop]

Enjoyed the conversation, gentlemen. Thank you.

[@henrigraves8307]

I think John should consider that a lot of Fox’s audience are also on the fence on many subjects.

[@zoso73]

He should go on Tucker -- I didn't say Fox. Tucker is far and away the smartest of the Fox talking heads who is less ideologue than people think. Which is why I have little patience for Hannity and Ingraham and the Five.

[@zach3305]

I agree and that is a good point. Fox is nearly the ONLY right leaning legacy media left. So that means that anybody who is at all conservative curious will invariably have some contact with it.

[@lauraswartz3781]

I used to like listening to Tucker. But he has gone down the pandering route. His latest bit accusing the FBI of being provocateur in the Jan 6 debacle... without factual evidence . He is no longer challenging thoughts, but is just rabble rousing.

[@africkinamerican]

@@lauraswartz3781 it's a lot more plausible than the notion that Trump incited and led an "Insurrection."

[@ZZ-yw5sh]

No, we know that the 1619 Project is full of lies, CRT IS RACIST, and the looney liberals are being RACISTS by accusing whites to be racists strictly because of skin color. We are NOT ON THE FENCE at all.

[@bibihoehn3315]

I love ya'll's common sense. I've been listening to John for about 15 yrs -starting w/ The Great Courses! Was so glad to see you 2 partner with your podcasts. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with all those who tune in. John, you are not alone in your wanting to go live in a small town away from the maddening crowd of today's obsessive wokism! You ought to think about it, too, Glenn! My husband and I came to a small town in 1979 after he broke his neck, changing our lives 180*, leaving the internat'l foray of rocket science. We didn't realize it at the time, but it was the best thing we ever did! Reducing our stress level was remarkable. You can work remotely now. Think about it for your own peace of mind, both of you!. A dear young friend who works with a University, has a generator /WiFi electronics for her computer & sets up her corner office in a nat'l park with a vista of the Maroon Bells in Aspen! You're now at a point in your lives where I hope you can pick and chose what's best for yourselves.

[@greatvalleyone]

You guys look exhausted , doing all these mental gymnastics everyday trying to make sense out of these batsh*t crazy times is enough to make anyone frustrated and tired, but I thank you for your efforts, it gives me hope to know I'm not the only one who sees how backwards things have become.

[@siggyincr7447]

John, Glenn, please keep your heads up. It's people like you that are a breath of fresh air in this age of hyperbole and derision . It's hard to find people who are cogent with nuanced and carefully considered views.

[@stephanieferraro6036]

We CAN NEVER GIVE UP !!!! Our future children are to precious to let down 💕🙏🇺🇲🗽💪

[@everevolvingself9327]

Two extremely well versed and intelligent men having an insightful and sincere conversation is inspiring.

[@crystal7245]

You should go on the shows because it’s not about Fox, their viewers need to hear different opinions and perspectives. I’m a conservative and I always appreciate perspectives that I didn’t think of.

[@LesActive]

You fellas give me hope, thank you for being.