A tale of two Bonanzas.

Mark goes over the differences between a Bonanza 33 (Debonair) and the Bonanza 36, then flies once around the pattern.

[@TheWiseGuyzz]

I see a new Skywagon Episode I have to drop everything and click!

[@FlyingNDriving]

ME TOO

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Not at work I hope, but thanks. 🙂

[@Marchetti7]

me too ❤

[@billybud9557]

Love these Bonanzas.....now that the new price is over $1 mill, I will probably keep flying my Cessna and dreaming. Love your presentations, Mark. Thanks.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thank you.

[@evangreen7562]

Mark is a super nice guy, really knowledgeable and responsive. Seems to really have a passion for his business and his customers.

[@ArnieTX]

Mark your videos are really getting good. Love the overlayed instruments and below plane rotating view. Keep up the good work.

[@hotttt28]

Awesome video . Sadly so expensive to own and operate but armchair flying is free . Thanks for the Sunday morning flying !

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks.

[@kasm10]

The 470 takes mogas so perhaps an exception to your statement above

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

@@kasm10 Remember that a 470 can only take car fuel if it is a low compression carbuetted one. The 260 HP IO-470N that gets put in Bonanzas is a high compression IO-470 and cannot take car fuel.

[@kasm10]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 I have a Debonair with IO 470 K. Also takes mogas

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

@@kasm10 Ah, OK, Must be 7:1 compression. Is is lower compression to be able to do that?

[@ph5915]

My brother has a '66 Debonair, yeah, it's basically a Bonanza, has the IO-520 in it, really nice plane (for a low wing 😂). But, those 36s with the barn doors are really nice too!

[@jbj27406]

Great video. Great airplane. There's no aircraft on the field that's more stately than this era of Bonanza. That's just class. Taxi up in a Bonanza and your case is made. Airplane nobility.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Very true.

[@michaeljohn8905]

I flew a Debonair for about 10 hours and I’ve never flown a complex aircraft before this. I have to say it made the job so easy when it came to the landing. I just backed off the power and lightly kept the nose high , settled and there it is. I had the same experience on a grass and short field takeoff. With nice power to spare. If I had the money, I would be looking at one of these ..

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

They are great planes.

[@crusher0427]

My father owned a 1966 35-C33A model Bonanza for 25 years until he sold it a few years ago due to failing health. It was the fourth plane he owned after having a BT-13, C172 Skyhawk, and a B58 Baron. He said the BT-13 was the most fun to fly, but it took a lot of effort. The Baron was a beautiful plane that sadly was destroyed when his partner went out alone one day, lost a fuel pump on final approach, and crashed. The 172 was a workhorse that he always said could fly itself. But the Bonanza was the one he had the longest. Sadly, because of the single yoke, it was not a good plane to teach me to fly on, so I never got my license.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

You should have got a double yoke for it.

[@robmiles233]

I’m brand new to this channel. One the best if not the best on youtube on this subject. Very knowledgeable and very well presented.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks and welcome

[@AussieAircraft98]

awesome to see the amount of love going into these films, just wanted to say thanks for all the info!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Glad you like them!

[@Saml01]

Great episode. I love the passion and precision.

[@RaceMentally]

Great channel. You’ve got some great stuff going on. Helping my flying journey. Thanks for doing these.

[@spinb]

Noticed 3 planes taking off right after each other at 9:00.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Busy airport.

[@robparisien]

Great video Mark. Fun to watch and very informative. Nice job as usual

[@tow.JanWinnicki]

It was the best of tails, it was the worst of tails. Serwus!

[@user-su3db5fk9j]

mark love the debonair even though its really a bonanza, love the airplane if i return to flying, i may want to get a debonair instead of a cessna 310. great video.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Marginally slower with half the number of engines, cylinders, plugs, fuel etc etc. Good idea.

[@heinb7]

Thanks Mark your videos are the best.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks.

[@rogerkober9836]

Another great video Mark. Thanks. I’m not a pilot, but a lifelong aviation enthusiast and aviation photographer so you are my general aviation source of information. Here’s a challenge…… a Piper Tri-Pacer!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

A Tri-Pacer? OK, If one comes in I'll do it. We might be getting an Ercoupe which will be interesting because they have no rudder pedals and I've never flown one.

[@loddude5706]

@@skywagonuniversity5023- Intriguing, a 0 kt. crosswind limit or just the old Wright Bros. hip belt for dad-dancing your way down snakey finals? : )

[@onethousandtwonortheast8848]

Your channel is a favorite of mine!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Wow, thanks!

[@gregpennington5305]

Thanks again for another informative and entertaining video! Keep 'em coming!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks, will do!

[@ben3989]

Good one!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks!

[@yukon_wilderness]

I love watching these videos

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thank you.

[@dariusrucker7854]

This is the content I live for!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thank you. Next is a Turbo Arrow III and then at some time soon an Ercoupe.

[@steveconaway774]

I love these videos. Very informative and entertaining at the same time. I feel like Mark is selling me something while not really trying to sell me something.

[@Craneman4100w]

Awesomely done video on my favorite planes. Subscribed.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks for the sub!

[@user-zm9bc2hu6s]

Hi Mark well done again

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks for watching

[@davidpearn5925]

We had a couple of BE36s early 70s with the quick access hood. The absolute RR of singles - and ours had wing levellers which I believe were for non instrument cloud break helping. Moorabbin based, afternoon paper delivery throughout regional Victoria ……and the 58 was for the bad wx days.

[@bernardanderson3758]

Mark this is a great idea to have different types of aircraft besides the Cessna models

[@JimMcCormick17]

Great video! Love the bonanza.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Me too!

[@larryweitzman5163]

Great video and this is coming from a Bonanza, Baron driver. They are the best flying GA airplanes period, as you aptly demonstrated, excepting of course the NAA P-51 and T-28.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Couldn't agree more!

[@matthewjensen9550]

Mark, I love your channel - fantastic videos. Would love to see a video on the Piper Arrow one day!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

We have an arrow here, a 1976 Turbo "low tail" Arrow III. A very nice one. We will do it tomorrow.

[@matthewjensen9550]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 I’m looking forward to watching it!

[@Captndarty]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 if that arrowhead had duel Garmin G3X’s instead of Dynon it would’ve been mine already🤣

[@wushock92]

Life's a Beech and then you fly!

[@sibtainbukhari5447]

Hi Mark only just discovered your channel and subscribed after watching your first video. Really like your style of presentation and the cool British accent is music to the ears 😂 I’m currently looking for a Bonanza in Australia and confused between the choice of an A36 a V35 and a C33 Debonair which are currently available on Australian market. Can tell from your videos you’re not a big fan of the Vtail so youd probably rule that out but between the A36 and C33 which one is your favourite and why? So far through my reading (and watching KZbin!) the A36 has the advantage of bigger door , which would be a plus for me for loading say camping equipment or a bike and also Ive heard the longer fuselage helps with less wag in turbulence. Keen to hear your thoughts on it

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

I'd get a Debonair or any of the 33 models. The V Tail ruddervators cost $17,000, if you need one. They all have aft centers of gravity but the A 36 offers you the opportunity to put more big, heavy things in the back because it has so much room back there. They are great if you respect that. If you need the space get an A36. If you want well balanced for everything and speed get the 33.

[@danhansen3109]

Very relaxing video as always.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Glad you think so!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Piper Arrow Tomorrow.

[@yesode4201]

Thanks for another great informative video! Mark is a great salesman, maybe another way to put it’s way to hot inside to be in both.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

It was a bit hot, but they were very similar.

[@FlyingNDriving]

4:15 ... Just the owner standing over to the side off camera getting absolutely crushed by Mark's knowledge know how. 11:19 got him again!!!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

I'm not sure what this means.

[@FlyingNDriving]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 you said his "a36" is an a36 only in his dreams (who ever owns this 36 bonanza)

[@dennisnbrown]

Man that engine sounds great

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Yes it does.

[@BrettMcNary]

drone footage of takeoff was top notch.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks, Brett! I'm flying manual and it isn't always that good! Need more practice! - Don the Camera Guy.

[@flysport_tedder]

was looking forward to a V vs standard tail comparo! but turns out to be a lot more nuanced than that. really appreciated it. 1:35 I feel like you're a traitor, that isn't the Volt in the background. :)

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Yes, that is Don's Volt. I have one too. Solar powered.

[@flysport_tedder]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 I sent you a pic of my Volt :)

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

@@flysport_tedder Oh yes, I got it. That was you. Great cars.

[@mannypuerta5086]

Ref the IO-550 engine option…Ly-Con does an IO-520 with flowed cylinders, an STC’d performance cam and balanced that develops 350HP on the dyno run in. No change in TBO, arguably better built than stock (no counter weight AD) and less money than a 550 STC. My 185 is running 7-10 MPH faster with the same fuel flows. FWIW, an option worth considering…

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Yes, all very true. Thank you Manny.

[@larryweitzman5163]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 Mark, I am on my third LyCon engine. They build super smooth great engines. Mine were not done with their high performance mods, but still perform excellent

[@craigsanders6925]

Landed at Placerville for the first time last week, videos do not do a good job showing how much angle there is on that runway. Feels like a ski jump. :)

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

It's an uphill aircraft carrier.

[@musoseven8218]

Fascinating video, I never realised that there was so much standardisation on Beechcraft. Nice aeroplanes, but single sided doors always make me feel uneasy🤔😕 Was there a squadron taking off behind you or was that down to editing 🤔🤔😄😄✌️👍 At what speeds can the gear on these or a Baron come down?🤔 Keep up the good work 👍✌️😊💜

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

All the companies do it, Cessna Piper, Mooney, Beech. Shuffle parts around and make a new model.

[@johannviljoen64]

Nice video. 01:34 who planted the MG in the background there...? Future video?😉

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Oh, you saw that.. 1972 MGB Roadster. For sale. Is it worth a video?

[@amiramyss]

Thank you for the video :) Question, is the 36's fuselage taller and wider than the 33 one, or just longer?

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

It's really just longer.

[@boogerwood]

Love the review! But 200 over? Add $30k to the price?

[@stlflyguy]

You turned down the radio just prior to taxiing up the road….perhaps that’s why you can’t hear yourself on the radio. Now the Flying V antenna would be a neat little sidebar……

[@matt_b...]

I'm 0:28 in and I really hope the elephant on the empennage gets addressed "This isn't an A36" (says A36 on the empennage) 🙂

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Watch it all.

[@matt_b...]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 chalk it up to "wishful thinking" on the prior owner's part! :-)

[@FlightSimDude]

👍

[@inverted_attitude]

Nice feature with the steam gauges along the bottom of the screen. How do you do that pls?

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Hi Zia! We use Telemetry Overlay and get the data out of a GoPro 10. - Don the Camera Guy.

[@FlyingTrojan]

How did you add the instruments to the screen and what 360 camera do you use and where is it mounted? Thanks!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Hi Bob! The program is Telemetry Overlay and the data comes out of a GoPro 10 mounted in the cabin. The 360 camera is a GoPro Max and we mount it anywhere we can. In this case, it was on the air step with a very sturdy mount. - Don the Camera Guy

[@publicmail2]

Is it ok to put fluid film inside bolt recess? That would stop corrosion.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

True, You just have to watch that they can drain.

[@publicmail2]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 yes true knowing fluid film, my favorite stuff, even if it sat in water it would protect as new, but yes we take no chances. Love your one of a kind videos.

[@timmholzhauer3342]

It’s recommended to use LPS 3 for this purpose. It becomes more solid than fluid film, so it doesn’t clog the little bathtub drain hole.

[@TheAlf61]

What a beautiful airpark ? Where is it ?

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

It is Placerville Airport in Northern California between Lake Tahoe and Sacramento at 2550 feet elevation. 91 hangars and about 150 planes based here. KPVF.

[@TheAlf61]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 thank you very much I just found out digging on it. Great channel!

[@john-lb5fu]

Hello Mark, thanks for delineating the differences and similarities of these two Beechcraft models. Here's your tagine - "Another Well-done presentation."

[@E69apeTheMatrix420]

Interesting You say You can stand on the flap and I believe Your knowledge however I have seen others with a No Step sign there even though they have the grip paint. I presume thats a sticker the owner put on after to stop people. I do love the Bonanza A36 / B36. Debatably the best 6 seat single. A Piper Saratoga ii TC is a great alternative. I would like to fly both. One thing I have always wondered is if You could swap out the engine for a modern CD continental Jet A Diesel? I know its physically possible even if you have to adapt the current engine mounting points etc. The question is: Is it feasible and viable with all the red tape involved? Insurance, Sign off, and other things I may have not considered? The cost could be worth it if the current engine is due a TBO and you know a good mechanic for example. Do You have experience with anything like that? Great video as always. Truly enjoyable to watch every time. Thanks.

[@TheReadBaron91]

Cost to doc that would be insane. And that’s if the FSDO would sign off on it, likely not.

[@E69apeTheMatrix420]

@@TheReadBaron91 Cost is OK if the engine is die a TBO anyway. The new PA28 offer a CD jet A option so the mounts cant be far off. I know planes and cars are very different however I have done some and seen some insane engine swaps and accident repairs in my time. The engine swap part doesn't scare me one bit its just the red tape Im curious about. The FSDO in in this case. I appreciate everything is 100 safety with planes. And having that signed off is very expensive not worth it. Im sure if piper made a new 32 Saratoga it would have the Jet A option today. Maybe they will relaunch it who knows..

[@TheReadBaron91]

@@E69apeTheMatrix420 yea, I’ve worked on the Austros but never the CD series

[@E69apeTheMatrix420]

@@TheReadBaron91 Thats cool. I defiantly appreciate your comment on the FSDO part. People seem to upgrade planes a lot. The Piper cub is a prime example. The engines available in that are not from that era so they can be changed over somehow. Maybe in America avgas and unleaded is acceptable. In the rest of the world it really isnt. Some countries dont have it available at all.

[@TheReadBaron91]

@@E69apeTheMatrix420 yea, I’d find a shop whose worked on those a bit, which probably not too many at this point, I’d maybe even think about Continentals service department at the factory and see if they could do it as they have APs/IAs that perform annuals even at that location.

[@tpsu129]

Is that a Karmann Ghia in the background?

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

MGB Roadster. We just made a video of it.

[@DWBurns]

So, what is the blue thing with 4 wheels in the mid distance in a few shots?

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Funny you should ask. We just made a video about it.

[@njwatkins1]

That’s an MGB! I had to double take because at first I thought it was a W121 Merc from the late 50s

[@wilburburger6155]

Is it difficult to keep the ball in the middle?

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

No.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

The overlay is created by using GPS data from the GoPro. It is an interpretation of that data and not 100% accurate. The turn coordinator is especially prone to errors ... to the point it looks like it may have been doing illegal central nervous system stimulants. It has nothing to do with Mark's ability to fly. - Don the Camera Guy.

[@publicmail2]

pushing Vne in pattern still with 1-200FPM climb, not full power, lots of power in that airplane.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

They are great.

[@colinfitzgerald4332]

The Vne in the 33 is 195 knots, max structural cruise Vc is 165 knots. The placards on the ASI are not typical of the plane being demonstrated. Definitely lots of power.

[@kmg501]

Does anyone ever scale the plane for precise weight and balancing or is that too much work and they just scale what is to be loaded and then guesstimate the load balance? I know from trucking that you can scale each axle to get real world weights and balances (from front to back). On a small plane that would just be each wheel position for a accurate measurement.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Oh yes, there is very precise calculation that you can do.

[@TheReadBaron91]

You won’t weight a plane every time, GA planes may only be weighed using scales very rarely. Many probably only at factory and any full re-paints. Weighing them is typically via platforms under each wheel or adapters that go on jacks. Mostly, weight and balance is done by calculation, both after maintenance modifications where you determined empty weight and before flight to see if you load is too much/CG in limits. Weight * Arm = Moment