A textbook 4Lutz by Ilia Malinin… *overdue lol*

In the last video we analysed the women's lutz jumps so we are going to do the men's this week. Surprisingly only 4 men did the quadruple lutz at the 2022 World Championships, and Ilia Malinin's was probably one of the best lutzes we have ever witnessed in figure skating.
-sorry I know it's a very overdue video but hope you enjoy it.
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[@judith7280]

Ilia has one of the BEST lutz technique, it's a delight to see.

[@ddjr6673]

His Mother (Tatiana Malinina) had an incredible triple lutz in the 1990s. Just amazing.

[@carmenavila591]

It is seen that Ilia inherited her mother's school in terms of its technical quality, and also the work of Rafael Aryatunian is noted 🤓✨

[@angelac2481]

Ilia is really a great jumper!!

[@hw5062]

Have you seen the quad axel he did in training on Instagram?

[@BevanBautista2]

He got it from his momma!

[@Jeremy-wp4yh]

All lutz jumps should be analyzed and scored afterwards by the technical panel. So that the difficulty of the jump can return instead of these funny flutz floop jumps

[@fitgraphisva]

@Jeremy...I could not agree more. With all the current technology, the technical judge should be able to view all the angles we see at home. I am getting weary of seeing these skaters with crapacious technique get rewarded for terrible jumps (cough-cough-Shoma-4F-cough-cough).

[@Jeremy-wp4yh]

@@fitgraphisva I agree shoma has a bad flip technique but I think the Russians are standing in the way of the ISU judging more strictly. If they follow the rules, they'll have to strip medvedeva of her titles and by the technical standards, she never beat Yuna Kim's record. So to cover up all the Russian corruption, they award some individual skaters.

[@fitgraphisva]

@Jeremy...Yep...you hit the nail right on the head. The ISU just looks the other way as the "Eteri School of Horrendous Technique" takes over and becomes the gold (pun intended) standard.

[@Jw71jsn]

It’s quite funny how they don’t do mark downs for floops and flut’z on senior competition but i see it being marked down on smaller competitions.

[@Jw71jsn]

I guess it’s the ISU being an absolute joke

[@ssaverance1828]

I loved Ilia's performance this season! He seemed crushed by the results at worlds, but how awesome is it to score in the top ten in your first major senior event ever?

[@ddjr6673]

And Came back strong at Junior Worlds with clean programs. More artistry as he grows, hopefully no injuries and keep psychologically focused and wow, what a great future ahead

[@dmp7252]

Ahh check, Vincent’s was NOT short of rotation. The shadow of his foot can be seen on the ice but that’s not the same thing as his foot actually touching the ice. I have reviewed the tape several times and my call is that Vincent fully rotated that quad. Thank you.

[@nondescriptnyc]

I noticed that, too! Seriously, if technical controllers can’t correctly/consistently call q,

[@EnzoFoove]

Yeah the 3T was actually much closer to being q than the 4Lz. I swear to god if they wanna keep underrotations as such a big deal, they need to implement an ELECTRONIC review system. It's a mathematical matter, it should be judged logically, not subjectively. Makes me so mad!

[@mrmcflurryviola]

@@EnzoFoove I totally agree. When I watched the lutz and then the toeloop, I said to myself, "ok, if that lutz was somehow under, than the toeloop definitely was," but it wasn't?

[@ketasar2278]

Waited for a bit for this type of a video, thank you, it is amazing!

[@beakiddo9532]

Grassl is such a sweetheart and also i am rooting for him since he represents Italy....that being said, he has HORRIBLE lutz technique, it is a pain to watch him jump sometimes 🤣

[@gogroregogoror]

he has a terrible technique on almost all the jumps, Maya Khromykh among the men

[@Cherry-iq1xb]

I worry for him so much when I watch him jump😭

[@seoelhappymart4429]

He also makes weird expression when in the air its funny

[@aniawacht3882]

What’s wrong with prerotation, he’s born with it and not against the rules

[@carmenavila591]

It's really nice to read fans like you who know how to be objective. 🤓✌🏻💯 I say this because as much as we have a favorite skater, it is also good to know how to recognize their shortcomings.

[@kasvinimuniandy4178]

Glad to see Vincent Zhou back! A pity he couldn't compete at the Olympics individual event.

[@createchaosgossip]

I know. He actually would have had a great chance of getting bronze if he skated clean.

[@cocolauyin]

love jin boyang's text book Quad lutz

[@kasvinimuniandy4178]

Exciting to see Ilia!

[@carmenavila591]

Excellent collection. 🤩✨✨✨✨ Ilia Malinin was definitely the revelation of this season. Now that he is the reigning junior world champion I can't wait to see him as a senior. Keegan Messing is one of the skaters that I like the most, and although he has a tendency to succumb to pressure, his technique is quite good. I can't say the same about Vincent Zhou, I like him too, however I've always been very aware of his poor jumping technique, and that even with Mie Hamada's advice he still doesn't finish polishing enough. And about Daniel Grassl, it is noted that although he and Matteo Rizzo have Lorenzo Magri, Daniel inherited a poor technique from his former coach (that includes his other jumps), and that it will not be easy to fix.

[@bone9jdjkaye]

Matteo rizzo wasn't taught by Lorenzo until recently (last two years ish). Before was taught by his father and Franca Bianconi. Daniel Grassl has been with Lorenzo much longer (2016), when he was 14years old.

[@kris_the_analyst]

I think that Grassl's 4Lz was really 3Lz (3/4 prerotaion, lol). Men's jump like this with trash technique should be downgraded and had negative GOE from judges.

[@aguy3664]

judges dont watch for prerotation never has most likelly never will

[@benbailey159bb]

That's literally what the cheated jump rule says

[@rayneforresy640]

I mean if that's the case then ladies with their prerotated quads and atrocious techniques should be given the same treatment lol. Hell, men at least are consistent in the fact that most of them have problems in their quads. The thing is, prerotation and wrong techniques are such a can of worms that none of the feds and ISU would like to open. They'd call for time to time, but not always and tends to ignore if you come from a big fed. I mean Shoma is for an example, then we got morisi despite coming from a small he always got high scores. We men watchers always joked that he gets eteri points too 😂

[@trashcant69]

@@aguy3664 TECHNICALLY there is a new rule coming that will penalize pre-rotation and the excessive blade assistance, but we all know it's mostly gonna affect the small fed skaters. Rules for thee, but not for me...

[@vistaprime]

Keegan's was beautiful except the landing. Illa is no surprise considering who is mother is and her excellent technique.

[@runerune9689]

Ilia was JUST recorded landing a quad axel! He stepped out of it but it was fully rotated

[@vistaprime]

it was a great attempt but a step out is not a landed jump.

[@runerune9689]

@@vistaprime so? it's still extremely impressive. The question is whether it is worth it to try in competitions because a botched 4A would probably give him wayyyyy less points than a perfect 3A

[@vistaprime]

@@runerune9689 Sure. but just don't call what we see in this video landed.

[@runerune9689]

@@vistaprime it was landed. He stepped out of it but landed it

[@samanthachan193]

And today he actually landed it. Bravo!

[@BP-xv7fj]

Ilia literally just get into that perfect backspin position so smooth. Like the only one I’ve seen... then you look at that Italian Grasel soemthing.... sk bad

[@npe1]

So Ilia's is the best by all factors.

[@Cherry-iq1xb]

Manifesting Keegan 4Lz

[@mrmcflurryviola]

Imagine how phenomenal that lutz he did would have been if he got all the way around? What a fantastic take-off and air position!

[@margaritabonet6811]

Lutz ist very dificult. Thanks for this so interesting video

[@almirasuprajogi4083]

What does this have to do with Yuzuru tho?? Is he related to smth in this video why put him for the thumbnail I'm genuinely curious 😯😯😯

[@moonshadow--1207]

They do that because he draws in views from people who wouldn't watch otherwise. Like me. I clicked because I saw him. It's called click bait. When they do that I always give the vid a thumbs down for being deceptive.

[@citronella-x7j]

@@moonshadow--1207 I happen to disagree. Some channels do that, but I think the Yuzu photo is just being used as a reaction photo due to his "shocked" facial expression.

[@moonshadow--1207]

@@citronella-x7j Oh now, with all due respect I'm sure they could have found a mundane skater with a "shocked" expression. I tend to believe it was done for the clicks.

[@cyrra8865]

@@moonshadow--1207 Its just a simple reaction image. If you click on anything that has Yuzu's face on it without even reading the title, that's your own fault. There is no deception here.

[@tonya--7704]

@@cyrra8865 Right. Sure there's not.😉

[@LenaLight0204]

久しぶりの男子版ね。マリニンが一番だね。GOEはほぼ妥当かな。メッシングは回転不足はあったけど、正しい跳び方なのは間違いない。あとの2人はエッジのみOK。ジョウはほぼルール通りに採点されてるけど、グラスルはルール通りに採点されてないよね。

[@swiftmk5480]

Good technique is getting hard to come by. This is great to see!

[@water9951]

Grassl’s lutz always have this issue… The thing that makes me a bit sad is that he uses lutz a lot. His triple lutz always looks like a double…

[@figureskatinglove1186]

Depending on the camera angle, the body inclination may appear to be opposite. But remember, skaters and coaches: THE CORRECT AXIS IN THE AIR IS either VERTICAL, or slightly leaning to the inside of the circle (i.e. TO THE RIGHT, in the case of counter clock wise rotators)

[@thukhanh2499]

why is yuzuru in the thumbnail

[@alyssaabrarerestain3814]

Same question here? Clickbait

[@o0Nekolove0o]

Grassl fake 4 lutz

[@chinkara2140]

Oh now a 4a🛐🛐

[@jimmypikachuchoi]

awesome lutz edge like his mom!!! runs in the family

[@ddjr6673]

Just said that above before I saw your comment.... totally agree. She had an amazing triple lutz in the 1990s

[@jimmypikachuchoi]

@@ddjr6673 just the spring they get from the takeoff is pretty amazing. The majority of skaters' lutzes these days don't have that WOW factor.

[@lumpyspacecadet]

I think Grassl's going to work on his technique and now has a new coach. We can hope he'll get better with time!

[@bossstories7597]

I want you to make a video analy every jump. (Filp,Toeloop,Loop,Salchow) Please 🙏🏻

[@nadiyasv8704]

Messing has outstanding technique, I hope he lands 4Lz in competitions nearest future. Malinin is next Yuzuru. Sorry for Kolyada wasn`t allowed to perform, but nothing can justify the genocide of the Ukrainian people. Hope he will change the rusish flag.

[@joaocampelo3725]

Quad god 😍❣️

[@warren1564]

With some of these guys, you don't even need the slo-mo to see how sloppily they were performed.

[@mateoferretto2175]

Vincent's lutz was more rotated thatn Illia's though, I don't know what the heck the panel was looking at

[@ssaverance1828]

?

[@benp3485]

Wow thanks for this...subbed

[@tanyagerasimik9394]

there is huge goe for Grassl's "4 lutz"

[@Ева-ж1у6ю]

Where can I watch Ilya Malinin's free program at the adult World Championships?

[@margaritabonet6811]

At ISU You tube channel

[@kadovax6567]

Here you go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpCqgGN6Zp2UnJo

[@briseprintaniere3278]

マリニン君が羽生さんを超えたのならば、羽生さんの単独アイスショーGIFTをそっくりのまま、いやそれ以上に実行できますよね。技術だけでなく芸術性も超えて。マリニン君のスタジアムでの単独アイスショーを楽しみにしています。チケット売り切れすべて自己プロデュースして。羽生さんを超えたスケーターならば確実にできるはずですよね。とても楽しみにしています。満員の観客の前での自己プロデュース単独アイスショー。一番のポイントは技術だけでなく芸術性すら羽生さんを凌駕した総合芸術としてのアイスショー。

[@minnie6163]

That's an insensitive thumbnail given hanyu's history with the 4lutz :) how about you repost the video! With a different thumbnail ....

[@frankiearmas9525]

If you use more than your toe pick to take off during the Lutz, the jump should be scored (or downgraded) to a loop instead … like Zhou’s Lutz.

[@ChristineTheHippie]

I've seen fans call it a "Loopz" (and sounds like oops)

[@lamchileung172]

Please don’t cue Yuzuru. It’s no need to compare them. Yuzuru is Yuzuru he creates new world of figure skating and the new figure skating athletes will have their own completing life under the new marking system.

[@denalihedgehog]

Daniel's jump technique is so... weird. It looks like his head is getting separated from his body

[@Pastadudde]

his basic skating is ugly as hell too. esspecially when you compare him to his countryman Mateo Rizzo.

[@강여운-o2u]

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[@catforwith]

羽生ヘイターの溜まり場。