A Transgender Volleyball Players' Path to an NCAA Women's Team | Identify

[@roban9999]

There's a sad moment at 12:10, where the girl says "Either accept it or you're not welcome here, 'cause we include everyone." She clearly doesn't realize how she contradicting herself in a single sentence. We accept "everyone", as long as they believe what we believe.

[@MoiLiberty]

@lukko1978 It is a matter of worldview. A worldview is a matter of myth. Everyone has adopted a myth. The West has abandoned the myth on which it was founded. Now we are like the Golden ball that has fallen into the pond...down into the depths where a deafening potential lurks all around.

[@smokexsmoke99]

Most women support transgender rights. Jade Thirwall (lead singer of band Little Mix) supports transgender rights and she hates transphobes and terfs. Jade Thirwall is a huge feminist, and the band Little Mix is a huge feminist band.

[@dchen345]

All or nothing is a common fallacy of weak-minded individuals.

[@planetrock66]

No more whining about what you want to be. Be who you were born to be.

[@sadiesponge7577]

@@smokexsmoke99No they don’t. We hate them. Just like you said they hate turfs. They are appropriating women. The sports ones are cheating.

[@thangvuong9196]

This is not fair, I was transgender for many years and I happen to play volleyball, I was asked many times to play at a very high level in women's leagues, I never accepted those invitations because I knew I had an inherently unfair advantage. Sometimes certain choices open new doors, but they can also close other doors, those are just realities of life.

[@milanominky2345]

Thang Vuong oh shut your face, your name is a man name. What you mean you're trans? You're just a fake and trying to manipulate. So pathetic and a waste of space

[@thangvuong9196]

Milano Minky The word "was" means past tense. Perhaps you should learn English before commenting.

[@milanominky2345]

Then you never were transgender. You just thought you was. You know, like a confused person that gives all these trans women/men a bad name

[@thangvuong9196]

Milano Minky You miss the point completely, I was a passable female, no one ever questioned my gender, I was invited many times to play and I refused because it is unfair for a transgender woman to compete against biological women.

[@JohnDoe-bm5lp]

Thang Vuong you're wasting your time with an idiot

[@LOLcheeseORZ]

I'm all for equality but I'm also for having common sense.

[@bicuriousdirtbikeboi2594]

I’m gonna bet you’re not for equality

[@annabellelee4535]

@@bicuriousdirtbikeboi2594 Equality is biological women having their own sports, creampuff. Take a few biology classes and you will understand the science.

[@donahrahkoonem]

thats the issue. librals do not have c0mmon sennse.

[@arnoldmacmillan5706]

'Balls said the Queen.'-if ihad two i would be king'-quote from william wagstaff.

[@annabellelee4535]

@@bicuriousdirtbikeboi2594 If you want to allow biological men to compete against biological women then you are definitely not for equality.

[@wolverine9632]

"I definitely can't jump as high as I used to." Understandable. But can you jump higher than a woman of equal size and training?

[@MooseCastle]

@Scott Sullivan """"""her""""""

[@normancastillo3621]

She is a Woman she can not play like a men anymore! Her level is weaker!

[@Sibree]

@@normancastillo3621 once a man always a man

[@stickapot3623]

@@normancastillo3621 trans will always have advantage BECAUSE THIS PERSON WHEN THRU PUBERTY AS A MALE- u are a WOKE moron

[@afonphoenix16]

@@normancastillo3621 She is biologically MALE.

[@azay7706]

"She's a strong volley ballplayer and she's very tall" smh yeah I wonder why.

[@bizzy1107]

ofcourse she is MAN!

[@biancapetalver1379]

Bizzy ` Just the sentence "she is MAN!" is wrong. She is a woman and that is how she lives her life. I do understand what you mean though. She has the body and bone structure of a biological man and that is a disadvantage to everyone. I believe that Chloe is reaching her dreams and making a difference but I completely understand your statement.

[@FrancesBaconandEggs]

Kayla Guy does he think he's like, fooling anyone? Anyone could clock him in a second.

[@USER-qs9od]

lol

[@rachelanderson5619]

FrancesBaconandEggs He looks like a woman with his hair down, I think if it wasn't for the voice he wouldn't be so clockable

[@lilyrose4850]

There is a reason there are gender based separation in competitive sports,males are biologically stronger so how is this fair to the other females competing? This is taking the phrase "its a mans world" to another level.Instead of finding an actual space for trans individuals in sports, allowing a trans person to compete with biological females is unfair.Its not backyard sports just for fun,this is competitive,and a team that wants to win will take only strong players.If more trans athletes show up,wont more women lose their opportunities?Only biological gender should be considered in sports,otherwise its an injustice to the other people competing.

[@MrMuttly55]

Don't tempt them into making a Title IV (a) where schools have to fund that freak show that no one wants to see.

[@CreampieSonata]

Truly unfair for the real girl/women

[@annabellelee4535]

I feel sorry for the girl who was injured so badly by the transgender player whose volleyball hit her so hard that she has a major concussion and neck injuries.

[@annabellelee4535]

@anavang5874 OK What?

[@yunorezzy]

thats just a part of volleyball. it doesnt have anything to do with the player being transgender

[@annabellelee4535]

@@yunorezzy That is NOT a part of volleyball. Stop with the misinformation. Too many people have played volleyball to fall for that lie.

[@yunorezzy]

@@annabellelee4535 i play volleyball. i have been hit in the face with a ball before. ive had concussions before. ive seen female players with better swings than male players! i dont think a biological male should be playing with women, but getting injured is common in volleyball.

[@annabellelee4535]

@@yunorezzy Getting hit with a ball after a woman hits it won't give you a concussion, it takes a man's force. Men and women have biological differences which is why we have segregated sports.

[@hgfffdfh2002]

2017 is like a 2000 South park episode

[@khakis69]

And y'all sound just as dumb as the characters in it

[@clashchaos6019]

In a world where feelings rule over science

[@oldmanballs787]

Just wait until 2023/2024. You'll see how true that South Park statement is.

[@punimaheo6710]

2019:Everything is a joke Strongest man: Male Strongest women: Male

[@marcella_luv8291]

Men's sporting events and co ed sporting events.

[@KrunchyJD]

There should be a separate sports category for trans women. Then it would be fair.

[@live.levi.19]

There is one. And that is men's sports

[@edmundomurillo3666]

I guess this is a good way to make second or even third rate athletes feel important.

[@ngyardhasngyardhas63]

"she has a lot of power, she's also tall" literally the two strengths they look for in almost every single male athlete, and literally the two reasons we have segregated game sports.

[@petergeisel6125]

„It‘s an unfounded scientific fear.“ Wait whut? Clearly someone never heard of basic biolegy

[@Invoilabilis]

Her coach things she is very powerful and tall Nothing to see here people Gender is nothing more than a social construct people move along now.

[@MrMuttly55]

By its own admission it was not a strong student in high school, so there's that.

[@ejiroetisyan2738]

She's got a lotta balls. Like literally.

[@alialshehhri2978]

He

[@BFusey]

What a story. Some say she’s as strong and fast as a man on the court. Incredible

[@7521eric]

👹😂😂😂 that's awesome!

[@yiu-hsinchang1579]

Even if she lost some muscle after estrogen therapy, she is still benefits from her origin male body. For example, she may have lighter and smaller hip joint. By the way, the angle between pelvis and femur also affects athletes' performance and it is one of the reason why in average males run faster than females. I think estrogen therapy can't change someone's hip joint size, the angle of pelvis as well as height. To be honest, I don't think it's fair.

[@ThePhrozenOne]

"He"

[@ThePhrozenOne]

@Balmain Chanel he is biologically a man obviously a mother isn't dumbass

[@ThePhrozenOne]

Facts don't care about your feelings

[@itschikken4132]

@Balmain Chanel woman instincts in their mentality is a feeling lol

[@Fangirlbleach]

Those things do change, but it doesn't happen for every trans woman.

[@andreas.9175]

My favorite part of the video was, "...or get out. You either accept it or you're not welcome here cos we include everyone".

[@maura_the_rose]

That's ironic lol.

[@auotukun872]

One of the girls was like Chloe is a strong volleyball player and she is also tall, well you might wanna check Chloe's pants :D and you will find the mystery there :)

[@darthsilversith667]

Andréa S. “She’s tall and has a lot of power!” I wonder why that is..

[@Doobie603]

Jennifer Holloway you just keep sipping on that liberal Kool-Aid honey

[@0subscriberswithnovideos]

But if a Christian said it, people would send hate

[@solobackpacking]

Why is Chloe so against being on the men's team? I am sure they will accept her as long as she QUALIFIES. IDENTIFY seems to be a get out of jail card for mediocre male players.

[@douglasnorthpole8542]

It is easier to just play against "weaker" players, or quit, than it is to work hard and compete against those in your own league.

[@hhh1200]

can't make the men's team eventhough he is a man dressed as a woman. what a joke!

[@lilypad6068]

its almost like someone who is a woman and identifies as such should play on a team with other females

[@fitthickchic6732]

@@lilypad6068 What woman are you talking about? All I see is a man trying to play against women.

[@jo_jo-u6x]

she wouldnt make the cut for the mens team thats why

[@cryforthemoon]

Why even bother separating the genders if you're going to make women compete against biological males? It doesn't matter if their hormones are comparable, it's about the bones structure etc. I wish this athlete the best with their life, but I feel bad for biological girls that trained for so long only to be beat by a biological male.

[@monpetitgarcon]

cryforthemoon I totally agree. Imagine ur female volleyball team lost to a team of transgender female whom literally have genetic makeup for male. No doubt both teamed trained w sweat n tears. Its just unfair

[@katrina231]

EXACTLY!!

[@faiyez]

+Chloe CheungYeah, imagine a scenario that will surely never happen.

[@FrancesBaconandEggs]

Chloe Cheung that's beginning to happen at the local level

[@bekkahstyles7569]

cryforthemoon well I mean there are a lot of girls who are faster/stronger than many guys so I don't think it's that much of an advantage plus when you take hormones it changed the male body and weakens it closer to the level of a woman. I think they should require trans women to take hormones for that reason.

[@SAINTSROWANGEL]

"You are not welcome here because we include everyone" lmao the irony

[@lancelotxavier9084]

Liberal motto.

[@olie171]

A bunch of oxymoron students.

[@mattr053072]

Not fair, she's playing with women with the physique of a man.

[@Jack789655]

He

[@hhh1200]

he's not a girl. stop calling these dudes she. that's the problem right there.

[@aliciajoohee]

why not play in a trans team. that would be fair.

[@lilypad6068]

ALicia NTan trans people make up such a small population of the world, then those who play volleyball, those who play volleyball in the same area what it probably equates to about 2 people

[@ChillandQuill]

im all for trans rights, but wouldn't a man who became a woman still have the physical body of a man and thus have an unfair advantage against women in that sport? Isn't that why we separate men and woman in athletic activities?

[@xXDemise]

Joseph Gillespie what if someone started transitioning before they hit puberty? Would they still have an advantage? Obviously she has a slight advantage but that doesn’t apply for everyone.

[@ChillandQuill]

wouldnt they? they'd still have the muscle mass and physical frame of a man. I understand theres like a psychological explanation and possible hormonal explaination for a man to want to be a woman, but he would still have the dna make up of a man and no surgery would get rid of that.

[@xXDemise]

Joseph Gillespie they’d actually have the exact muscle mass of an adult woman. Since even if you did sports and we’re on hormones and hormone blockers, you won’t gain any huge muscle mass, you’d have the same muscle mass as any other girl or woman. And if they did gain any male muscles, the hormones would make them go away.

[@ChillandQuill]

hm, ok.

[@strongpony8318]

BasicallySalty still doesn't change DNA, guys still have a advantage in athleticism

[@johnmurph6221]

Coach: "What I noticed about Chloe was that she had a lot of power and she was also very tall.".......BECAUSE SHE WAS A MAN.

[@jamesterpaul]

Is*

[@empressmarowynn]

I have several cisgender female friends who are even taller than she is. I also have a number of cisgender male friends who are under 5'7". Gender does not mean a specific height.

[@saul552]

Still is a man. Delusional, mutilated, and chemically messed up, but still a man. The chromosomes remain the same.

[@HammerheadGuitar]

empressmarowynn Small men still have a stronger skeletal structure and more muscle mass than tall women.

[@reddzjagulus756]

Empress, that's a plain lie, Men are naturally taller than women, Avg height for men is 5'9-5'10 and for women its 5'4-5'5, women are 5 inches shorter on average.

[@camillo1234]

see i am 100pct for lgbt equality. no doubt. but in sports i am not sure this is ok. there are factual physical developments a male goes through that a female doesnt which include muscular development, tendon strenght which hormones wont take away thus giving transgender athletes an unfair advantage. how many female to male transgender do you know that excel in sports? they are negligible compared to male to female transgender athletes

[@desprinkhaan641]

Actually, transgender woman need to have their testosterone levels equal to cis (thus not transgender woman)... and having quite a lot of transgender woman as friends, they all told me the same thing: once on Testosterone blockers and on oestrogene therapy they became a hella lot weaker, even when they still did sports. So yeah, probably that's she's about as strong as the average olympic woman.

[@MmMm-og2cv]

Testosterone blockers does not take away everything. On average, men have longer and larger bones, which gives them mechanical advantages over women, since they have greater leverage, increased height and larger frames to support muscle. Their bones are also more dense, and they have tougher ligaments, making them less prone to sports injury. Since these physical and physiological factors give most men a clear competitive edge in sports, is it fair or even safe for biological males - with larger muscle mass, hearts and lungs and greater strength, acceleration and speed - to compete against girls and women? And the olympics is the worlds biggest sports competition, do you even know how hard it is to compete in it. The avarage olympic woman can wipe the floor with these collage students.

[@dragongod666sevagoth3]

Nazeem Dollie SAME!!! I love the LGBTQ, tho, and you still have a completely valid point being made there!!!😆😆😆😉😋😉😋😉😋😎😎😎

[@liamondlicht4874]

Scott S actually... Trans women need to take testosterone blockers when they go on hrt. So her testicles (if they are still there and not removed bc srs) basically don't produce any testosterone.

[@wolverine9632]

Nazeem Dollie What's your point? Of course there are shorter men and taller women, I am also a 5' 10" guy, but that has NOTHING to do with transgenders in sports. If you are a short guy who wants to play pro basketball, you are out of luck, because they only pick the tallest and strongest players to give their team the advantage. And if you are a 7' woman, you are also out of luck, because the best men's basketball players will beat the best women's players every single time. And if you chop off your male genitals and take estrogen, it doesn't make you a woman, it just makes you a low testosterone infertile man on hormones.

[@travisc6906]

Favorite line: “You either accept it or you get out, you’re not welcome here, because we include everyone”

[@CategoricalImperative]

The current hypocrisy of modern social liberalism.

[@ivanhenderson31]

Welcome to the new liberal arts collegiate education system. Wasnt the point of higher education to open you up to discussion of different viewpoints and ideas??

[@williamburton4461]

Until she plays a team with 3 Trans athletes to their 1, that statement is so easy to say when you know your team will have an advantage every single time you stem on the court.

[@thatguyvlad8939]

Not even fair to women.....the sports world is about to be ruined

[@faiyez]

Transgender people aren't competing en masse.

[@FrancesBaconandEggs]

Faiyez yeah, because these regulations were JUST put in place

[@faiyez]

+FrancesBaconandEggs Okay then. Come back when these people are dominating.

[@mhtinla]

They don't come en masse doesn't make it right.

[@joeyhenson5166]

Faiyez, the amount that compete is irrelevant. It takes one to beat another biological woman who did her best with what she was given, just to lose to a transgender woman with different/thicker bone structure and a more advanced muscular system. You've never been in the situation. You may not even be an athlete. The amount of blood, sweat, tears, and time it takes to be great is incomprehensible. When Chloe and her team takes down another team, those girls will be furious and heart broken and they will blame Chloe, regardless of how "progressive" they are. Because reality hits.

[@livesimplyandhumbly]

Chloe, have you no shame? Do you have a issue with being on a men's volleyball team? UC Santa Cruz "What I noticed with Chloe was that she is a strong volleyball player. She has a LOT of POWER. And she is also TALL." Yeah, those male muscle reducing hormones weren't that effective Chloe. From the looks you can easily beat up most of my male friends and relatives.

[@solobackpacking]

Selfish people like him make this world even more unfair.

[@chloelee2216]

what a joke.

[@jakeroberts4776]

I'd hate to say it... but it's really unfair. Sensitive people will say that I'm expressing hate speech, I don't care. Men have a natural physical advantage over girls. I don't care who you want to be, but this is doing a disservice to the other women teams by adding a player with more muscle capabilities. Just look at the olympics. There are reasons why men are faster than women, because they have physical advantages.

[@LazuliteHalcyon]

So, when Chloe went through her hormonal transition, it changed her musculature, and she had to rebuild everything with female hormones instead. She works really hard to stay fit as a woman, in a way she didn't have to before hrt.

[@chukwudumebienemor3702]

I am 100 percent for Transgender rights, always will be. But as a volleyball player myself, I'm kind of in a gray area, I don't really know how to feel about allowing transgender athletes to compete with the gender they transition into. It's no question that she has technique, you can see when they slow down her snap in hitting and her bow and arrow in serving, but there's no changing that power. As good as a player that I think I am, playing against men is completely different, especially in volleyball. Hitting is all about arm strength and jumping. A man biologically has the advantage. Most of their hits go straight to the floor and quick too. Their serves are bullets. It takes a lot of training on the court and in the gym to get there for girls and some still can't achieve the things that she is doing almost effortlessly. I'm really sorry if this is ignorant of me and if it is, I'm open to learning what I'm not getting.

[@dunnolol7630]

Chukwudumebi Enemor I completely agree with you.

[@minnnuto2959]

She did say that when she started taking the hormones, her body started to turn more feminine. She lost most of her "man muscles", she got wider hips and started getting more fat in her body. You can clearly see her body is visually more feminine than masculine (with the exception of her height, which is not that much since I've competed against even taller women lol). I understand where you're coming from since I've seen men play, and they're on a whole other level. They're stronger and faster by default. But I honestly don't think they'd let Chloe compete if she had much of an advantage over the other girls. The hormones helped her change her body to be more feminine, and that includes her strength, so she's just as strong as most of the other girls. But I mean, that's just what I think lol I'm not an expert in biology or anything like that

[@dunnolol7630]

YourDerpilicousSenpai akaMammaGandalf Fair point, but I'd like to see scientific evidence for that

[@SirHRDking]

Really you shouldn't identify as someone you are not. Once you are born, whatever you have you keep. You should only be allowed to change your name at least. If you are born a boy or girl, you stay that way. This will never be ok and the world will never get over it much like they can't get over this racism excuse rights.

[@beesnjunk]

Chukwudumebi Enemor im getting the feeling you didn’t watch all the way through the video when she explained how hormones worked. Everything about you changes. If a FTM athlete would gain muscles from taking testosterone, than a MTF athlete would loose some because she’s taking estrogen. It’s quite simple.

[@poormansrepublic7823]

and it's funny that athletes who don't want this will have their rights violated, by a person who doesn't want their rights violated. The trans who is the minority, gets the priority treatment!!

[@SirHRDking]

Has anyone even thought about that this is kind of an unfair advantage against the other female player's? Y'know with the man strength and all.....

[@emjivista02]

NEVER WILL I EVER AGREE ON THIS. I accept them and never judge their life choice. But there is a limit in tolerance specifically in sports. The category should be TGF and TGM

[@jessicalenea3573]

That is so unfair to the biological women

[@annabellelee4535]

Nobody in the woke gov't cares about women.

[@Azul901]

Exactly

[@stevenscragg8610]

Yep

[@Tall-Cool-Drink]

"We accept everyone....." but if you don't agree with us get out....lol

[@yardleyj9391]

If you don't agree with them, you are Hateful.

[@memelab5183]

i was thinking that too lmao

[@Emorydawn830]

Exclusion in the name of inclusion

[@chipzdara]

This is really scary. Honestly I can’t even begin to comprehend how bizarre this is.

[@richardmarshall6751]

@@yardleyj9391 No, that is not "hateful", rather it is understanding biology and not thinking you can create your own alternative fairytale unicorn reality 'cause you think you are being sympathetic. You are the hater, you despise your own culture, so you cling to woke nonsense like trans men playing on women's teams.

[@Rain-py9wi]

This is pure silliness. Someones life choices are their own, circumnavigating gender seperation in competitive sports by choice makes no sense no matter which way you put it

[@paultherat9619]

"She's a strong volleyball player. She has a lot of power and she's also tall" Dah!?

[@OReily08080]

Mmmm, whenever I watch my girl friends' volleyball games, you can see that they put a lot of effort in serving the ball. When I watch my guy friends game, they would tap it and it would literally fly over the net and sometimes bounce out on the other side

[@alexs3530]

"If you don't accept everyone then you are not welcome here because we accept everyone on this campus..." Riiiiiiiiiight.....

[@stonks-2457]

What do you mean myth?? Your still twice as tall as everyone, which means you can jump higher. And you still are stronger than a lot of them

[@sergiogodoy340]

So, basically they allow cheating in the form of men competing versus women but steroids are an "unfair advantage"?

[@SAINTSROWANGEL]

Sergio Godoy Their... their is no correlation or relevance between the two things you just said

[@AnniceMichelle]

Sergio Godoy no they are pushing women out of women's sports. Why am I not surprised that it's a man doing it.

[@Sgtvalentini]

I love how many round body soft hand motherfukers are throwing around the word "compete" like you'd ever even competed in anything in your life physically what do you know about anything you little protected child

[@lauraharris8356]

As a high school runner aspiring to make a college team and one day the Olympics.... My dreams have been crushed. Why try? I will always be defeated by how a biological man feels.

[@TTMD13]

She is a woman who has faced just as many (if not more) barriers to her sport than other women. No "men" are taking your spot, and the handful of trans athletes who play at that level aren't either.

[@qazzaq248]

@@TTMD13 She is not a woman. She is a disturbed male narcissist looking for attention. When her volleyball days are over "it" will be just an ugly freak, and want to change back.......at taxpayer expense, of course!

[@TTMD13]

@@qazzaq248 you are wrong. I won’t waste any time trying to educate someone who isn’t willing to learn or see the truth beyond their flawed view.

[@ipromisethatserendipityisa9656]

@@TTMD13 You should teach yourself biology. Biological facts dont care about your feelings.

[@TTMD13]

@@ipromisethatserendipityisa9656 The funny thing is biology actually supports not only diversity, but equity as well. What research have you done, or even read, that you can reference? Because the studies show trans people can be within range of cis opponents when hormone therapy is involved. I encourage you to look into the actual science before throwing around words like biology :)

[@CrazyNikel]

“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

[@r.ianuhh]

5:25 Honey, no. It is a fear but its also truth. I support both transgenders and lgbtq+ people, but its a fact that biological males are much stronger than biological females. You can't change that nor can anyone else. I'm sorry to break it to you.

[@yardleyj9391]

Neither can you change the fact that she is not and will never be a girl!

[@r.ianuhh]

@@yardleyj9391, you just refered to her as a female, though.

[@stitch8296]

After 12 months on estrogen mtf don't have an advantage "I support lgbt" yeah sure ya do

[@kingcharles2606]

@@stitch8296 he dose obviously

[@stitch8296]

@@kingcharles2606 no she doesn't lmao

[@user-ep4jo1ev3j]

They may as well let men and women just compete with each other then and let's see how many women actual win

[@takethedeepestbreath1191]

first of all, people need to understand that being transgender is not like "oh, im gonna have a transition so i can be better than the others", the decision she made is not easy at all considering the society pressure, she is a transgender and she is a person who enjoys playing volleyball, i basically agree that the diffrence between men and women body but people in comment section dont care about equality in sport , they're full of hate to people who have "different" sexual choices these people exist whether you like or not

[@Hakimw21]

ok thats nice. doesn't change the fact that a transgender women has a huge physical advantage over her opponents.

[@takethedeepestbreath1191]

what im trying to say is okay, she has a physical advantage so what? is that such a big deal? she is not cheating, doping she is just a person who wants be welcomed from society, play a part this video means much more than most people think of

[@PoleVaultForLife]

Please please please stay in school

[@oni6903]

Ömer Dinler being accepted by “hateful people” who are recognizing that this born man wants to be a woman is okay, is NOT the issue. It’s not cheating? With that same mindset, athletes should be able to take steroids then🙄. These are facts. Men are typically stronger and faster than females. She still has man muscles and speed.

[@dragongod666sevagoth3]

Ömer Dinler FINALLY, A COMMENT FROM A PERSON WHO GETS IT!!! PREEEAAAACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!😆😆😆😉😋😉😋😉😋🙏🙏🙏

[@CARPETMAN6666]

Can't help to notice that all of these stories are MTF and there seems to be no ftms competing with the men. I find this strange

[@Cleofis23]

Oh they are definitely out there

[@stitch8296]

Ftm can hide more plus it's not controversial because ftm have the same testosterone levels as cis men when they take hormones

[@maytc2011]

@@Cleofis23 yeah but they're no good compared to biological men. Whereas the mtf are taking trophies away from biological women so they get the attention

[@SenEmChannel]

she's absolute take a advantage than other women. I support for LGBT's right, especially transgeners people. But, this is still unfair for other athlete.

[@wolverine9632]

I agree. You can do whatever you want to your own body, but there are two sports divisions for a reason.

[@plank3000]

StealthLava that is absolutely ridiculous, bone density is different, natural muscle, this is a joke. How would you feel about a transgender woman fighting in women's mma??

[@-KPG-]

StealthLava thank you

[@zinkoff409]

@@plank3000 LOL i want u to look up Fallon Fox AHAHHAHAHAHA

[@soldanozogtv4465]

You should support her

[@chellebebuy]

Men and women are different and should not compete. DRUG enhancement/alteration needs to disqualify athletes. This is a NO BRAINER

[@JamesSmith-pp5vp]

Michelle They're not drugs and they're not made for enhancement.

[@fbcasmacvideos2370]

Michelle yep

[@busiedstudent]

Drug enhancements?you mean hormones,what you said is like me comparing someone's insulin to steroids

[@Alchamei]

I am all for LGBT rights, but this is not right. Men and women are bilogically different and even after transitioning your body is biologically the gender you were born in. So competing as a gender you transitioned into makes you completely different from the rest of the field and gives you an unfair advantage. And mainly, if transgenders can complete without transitioning it's even more unfair, since their body is basically the opposite gender of the rest od the field, making a great advantage.

[@Abdulrahman65440]

Alchamei yeah right

[@cr7forballondor199]

Alchamei thats the Truth!

[@sinankangotan32]

You are completely wrong, what about a transgender thai fighter in bangkok who is competing in every championship and beats his opponents.Muay Thai,if you know what i mean.The sport is based upon the things you mention.But no matter what, this is good,This should be even more okay in the era we are living in.

[@Hakimw21]

Sinan Kangotan & 12 RAUNT There's a reason men and women don't compete together. This is not good.

[@sinankangotan32]

Sam O what is separating men and women, don't you know there are dopings already in sport bussiness, don't you know there are weak men like women already and strong women like men .Serena Williams is already like what we are talking about, she dominated every opponent and every tournament for many years in a row,so what difference is gonna be for her if she takes on a match against transgender tennis player.These things doesn't matter and that's why the Olympic commitee thought about it and accepted

[@AnniceMichelle]

This is wrong and he is taking the spot of women who do not have the physical advantages of biological women. This is why women's sports were created. So we could have a place to compete.

[@John-kv7jo]

The Williams brothers are doing the same thing in tennis.

[@KennyBye]

And? She’s a woman playing on a woman’s team! So nothing unfair is happening

[@kevinpower4194]

@@KennyBye No. He's a man in a dress pretending to be a woman. If I stick a dummy in my mouth and wear a nappy could I identify as a baby?

[@jamesdouglass8647]

Make these people a new sports area. There's separation for a reason.

[@wolverine9632]

"I don't think, like, anyone on our team had anything, like, oh my gosh, she's transgender..." Of course not. He's on YOUR team. Might be different if you had to play the other side of the net.

[@darthsilversith667]

wolverine96 Exactly what I was thinking. I bet the people on the other side of the net feel differently about it.

[@KennyBye]

SHE. And I wouldn’t care if I was on the other team at all!

[@darthsilversith667]

Kenzie Bye What if you were an MMA fighter and had to go against a transgender female?

[@bowerthomas1078]

Killing fair competition!! Its gonna be mens sports and coed sports if you keep this up. Sport isn't about feelings people

[@Steevvee]

if someone wants to change gender whatever its your life, but this is just stupid how is this allowed? its like i have a boxing match coming up and if it was a women i was fighting i wouldnt fight.

[@tylanelliott4281]

Hmmmm 🤔 always MTF athletes but never FTM athletes. So, yes, men’s sports and co-Ed sports.

[@tessmargauxhelen3035]

Tylan Elliott Exactly!😡😡😡🤧🤧💔

[@Waterfowler35]

That's because FTM will never have a physical advantage over the other male athletes. But a MTF will always have a physical advantage over the other athletes.

[@yairjones491]

the all point of a woman's sports is that its woman against woman...

[@gracecleveland680]

Yair jones yea and she is a woman

[@GoddessBlueYozakura7]

No "she" is a biological male that takes women's hormones.

[@camicastillo8867]

Grace_is Weird “He” is a man...

[@gracecleveland680]

Cami Castillo she is a woman

[@ManFinest]

Grace_is Weird she is a man

[@gordoncushman7807]

Perfect shave before practice. No testosterone here ? If any other women tested positive they would be disqualified. Ridiculous !

[@xXDemise]

So, although yes her bone mass is different to biological females’, her position in volleyball also very much determines wether it is unfair or not. If she is a setter, all she’s doing is setting, and bumping to another team member, for them to attack. If she’s a libero, all she’s going to be doing is saving the ball, and being defensive. If she’s an attacker, then yes that’s where she’ll be at an advantage since as an attacker, you have to spike the ball as hard as you possibly can, so that the opposite team cannot hit it. If she’s a setter, her power really won’t matter, and she’ll be hitting the ball about 4-6 times every 3 mins. If she’s a libero, she’ll only be hitting the ball to other teammates and saving it, 7-9 hits every 3 mins. If she’s an attacker, she’ll be spiking the ball down, 8-10 times every 3 mins. I feel as if they should allow her to play, but put her on a more defensive role, such as libero. I’m a cis female, I’m on my school’s team and I’m an attacker, I wouldn’t mind if I went against a trans female, but that’s just my opinion.

[@christopherflores1121]

Denis rodman would have been the kobe/mj of the WNBA

[@kainalokoira1633]

Chris Flores i would be the kobe in wnba. it’s so unfair

[@mollywestmoreland9731]

Selfish. That’s the only word that comes to mind.

[@wolverine9632]

Breaking news! Going through puberty makes you an expert on how men's and women's bodies compare!

[@anastanowick9489]

She understands better than most of us because she went through the process for both males and females

[@rotisserie8444]

No it's common sense. You don't have to be an expert to know that males are superior to females, physically. How is it fair to the women who have worked their whole lives to compete in the Olympics, only to get beaten by a biological male who's clearly stronger? MTF athletes have an advantage over their female competitors. Do you really think putting a 300 pound man against a 130 pound woman is fair? Its ridiculous and completely unfair to women.

[@Sgtvalentini]

@@rotisserie8444 you are so ignorant and have clearly never ever worked with female athletes

[@jenanjuice2003]

You’re not winning if you didn’t have a competition. Congrats guys, you beat some females in an athletic sport. Wow. You must feel big and strong

[@robbehan4030]

So many people suddenly turning into doctors and endocrinologists in the comment section lol

[@GoddessBlueYozakura7]

It makes sense seeing as hormones don't change men into women.

[@Steevvee]

dont have to be a doctor to know that women and men are clearly built differently and each are better for certain things.

[@gmpick9793]

But biology was taught in middle school that is all you need to know the difference between a man and a woman

[@louischambers3057]

as a Trans person you lose almost all male physical advantage muscle lose you must have a different feeling since you watched it

[@louischambers3057]

as a Trans person you lose almost all male physical advantage muscle lose you must have a different feeling since you watched it

[@zoeyseely9912]

To everyone shitting on her, didn't you catch the part of the video where she shuts down that argument by mentioning how most of her muscles have melted away and that her testosterone levels are lower than a cis woman's? Also, if you guys are so smart - if she can't compete with women, and she's obviously not going to compete with men - is she just not allowed to participate in sports?

[@Alecto44811]

You are clearly blind, you can clearly see the trans person in this video is a hulking giant compared to the women.

[@zoeyseely9912]

Again, if you see this, her T levels are LOWER than a cis womans and she's lost all of her male muscles? Also, she's a woman. Don't say "the trans person compared to the women". She's a woman and to insinuate she's not is othering trans people quite hard. And again, you didn't answer my question posed - if she's "too strong or big" for the women, but clearly too weak for the men, is she just not supposed to compete in ANY SPORTS EVER? If so, that seems needlessly cruel.

[@Alecto44811]

Mate, he's a male, taking hormones doesn't make you female, if he were to stop all additional hormonal treatment he would revert back to the hormonal and biological activities that occur in males, because he is just that, a male. If you really think muscle mass and testosterone are the only differences in morphology and biology between males and females that make males superior at physical activity then there really is no use attempting to argue with you. And no, personally I don't, if he wants to transition and be a transwoman, absolutely fine, but accept it comes with limitations. Your 0.1% minority or whatever you are shouldn't impact female sports in general. And before you accuse me of being a transphobe, I have nothing against the trans community and would happily vote for basic rights, but I'm also aware of biology and how transwomen affect female spaces.

[@zoeyseely9912]

She ALREADY HAS TRANSITIONED. Did you not know this? Seems like you weren't paying too much attention to what actually was happening in the video. She also talked about how she's lost height and gotten wider hips as a result of the hormones. Do you think those are beneficial traits for a female athlete to have? And no, you act like you care about trans women but you don't. If you imply that trans women do not belong in women's spaces, let alone sports, you are by default implying trans women are not "real" women. That kinda makes you a transphobe. The sports argument is one thing, I'll give you that, but when you call this girl a man and he and say she shouldn't be in women's spaces...that is transphobic. I'm a trans woman myself. Do you wanna call me a man who doesn't belong in women's sports to MY face? Because I compete often with other women in karate all the time and we're on equal footing.

[@dragongod666sevagoth3]

Zoey Seely PREEEAAACH!!!!!

[@Olympics]

You can read more about the IOC Guidelines, which were defined by medical specialists taking all the scientific evidence into consideration, including stipulating testosterone level limits here: stillmed.olympic.org/Documents/Commissions_PDFfiles/Medical_commission/2015-11_ioc_consensus_meeting_on_sex_reassignment_and_hyperandrogenism-en.pdf

[@EdmontonRails]

Biological male, bullshit advantage.

[@dragongod666sevagoth3]

OMFG, THIS IS SO AMAZING!!! FINALLY TRANS PEOPLE ARE BEING ABLE TO BE THEIR TRUE SELVES IN SPORTS!!!

[@HammerheadGuitar]

Well maybe you people of Olympic who I thought had a good understanding of the human body should read a book and find out that one of the main reasons why men are stronger and faster than women is due to bone structure.

[@jlee921]

you're manipulating a emotional desire to dominate a scientific point that men and women are built different. whether you FEEL one way or another your body is your body.

[@KhaosTy]

man this comment section is like a freaking tumor.

[@saul552]

I know, I can't believe people are supporting this delusional bullshit.

[@masonshirey4751]

that insurance commercial. "well shes a guy so"

[@virgo409]

A girl in North Carolina just suffered serious injuries because a transgender “woman”spiked a volleyball at her head going 70MPH. She suffered injuries to her head and neck and still has visual issues. Still seem fair?

[@JJoy225]

You do not have a right to trample on the accomplishments of hardworking women.

[@Sgtvalentini]

Yeah that's the comment section of KZbin job

[@davidchavira6214]

I will predict a huge amounts of m to f trans world record holders in the next olympics. Women's boxing should be interesting...

[@alanatwood1243]

That girl’s voice is deeper than mine.

[@imadawg2833]

It’s a dude

[@taylorjakes2129]

"Transitioning is like going through puberty backwards the other direction twice as far" Oh, so did you become 6 inches shorter after taking hormones Miss Over-Six-feet-tall?

[@lancelotxavier9084]

@9:32 Yup, the medical transformation worked. I can hardly tell the difference between her and her biologically female teammates. None...

[@Invoilabilis]

Just a petite little princess, cute as a button.

[@zml29]

@@Invoilabilis 😂😂😂

[@smalltowngirl4415]

@Olympics needs a separate category for trans athletes. Period. Absolutely nothing fair about it. You may feel like a girl, but you were born a male with a mans physical strength. No business competing against an all female team.

[@descendingoncewhile]

Wow, do any of the commenters even play women's college sports? I do, and as long she's on hormones there's NO COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE. There are all sorts of different female bodies types anyways. So even one born female athlete might have an advantage over another due to height, body type and such. Lol, you all are probably sitting on your couches.

[@dragongod666sevagoth3]

descendingoncewhile YOU'RE THE FOURTH PERSON TO UNDERSTAND!!!

[@wolverine9632]

So what are you saying, that only short weak men should be allowed in women's sports? The problem is that in the Olympics, you aren't just putting any random person against another, they are all the absolute best athletes in the entire world. Elite men will beat elite women every time.

[@mangobango2o4]

you're delusional. Even if she's on hormones her muscle mass is still significantly higher than the other girls. You can just tell from watching the video. She's more massive and taller than the other petite girls. Engrave in your brain what the coach just said in the video about her... cmon man. EVEN WOMEN BASKETBALL PLAYERS DONT LOOK LIKE THAT.

[@HammerheadGuitar]

There is major advantage in bone structure. Men have stronger bones, wider shoulders and thinner hips that allow them to run faster and generate more force with their upper body.

[@alex73217]

... Reading the comments is usually a bad idea, but to have one supporting comment outweighs a lot of negative ones for me... I hope at some point this will be something normal... :D as a transgender myself it's really awesome to see at least some smart people on youtube xD so thanks

[@CategoricalImperative]

That opening montage is not of Long Beach, CA. Don't know why that bothers me.

[@polymathecian]

Men's Tournament Women's Tournament Confused's Tournament Problem solved.

[@LookingDownx]

Lol i love this

[@Rabidanti]

polymathecian loooool

[@Pathfinder-Doc]

That's 100% XY. The muscles, frame, and everything. You can't change your genetic code.

[@aveburyridge7533]

Exactly, spot on.

[@karesz-sg6hc]

The REAL War on Women.

[@iwasadeum]

Well... No - not at all. This is first-world feminism at its finest. The real war on women is going down in Africa, India, China, India, South East Asia... Women have it so good in the first world that they're looking for something to oppress them. Women in these third-world shitholes have to fear for their lives, and are truly oppressed by horrible laws and leaders.

[@einc70]

A girl in a girl's body versus a girl in a boy's body. TransOlympics. Do not mix the 2.

[@karlotta-gn7cp]

Honestly these comments make me very sad. You act as if she is doing this to have a better chance in the sport! She is transitioning, because she wants to be who she truely is! And btw you are being very disrespectful as you're misgendering her. Please just start loving and respecting each other!

[@reddzjagulus756]

He has an advantage because of testosterone.

[@nataliapatolamoosmann8290]

When she said "the last thing I grabbed was my D&D dice set" I was like "MY PEOPLE!"

[@rebeccahyde1006]

Awesome! Great to see her development and acceptance onto the team. Thanks for doing features on these athletes, it was really well done.

[@Marc98338]

Youre an absolute disgrace to all the real woman out there, competing against man.

[@arbieeden4396]

We transgender did all we could and should just to fit in to our gender presentation. So why give rude comments.?? Dont you really know HRT?

[@snowygrainius9791]

he is a man, playing on a women's sports team... how is that fair? his body is still and will always be physically stronger

[@gracecleveland680]

Snowy Grainius *her/she get it right

[@arbieeden4396]

Theres what we HRT....

[@djsuave1]

Anyone know the name of the opening music piece?

[@ecoorbits5164]

"myth" that there's a difference ?!? bs. why is every male olympic athlete 5-15% better than their female counterpart?

[@998adamek]

For me It's a new kind of doping. Who could say, that they realyy wanted to change, because they deserve it, not because of "need to win"?

[@faiyez]

Doping should be allowed too.

[@jdavid413]

It's basic biology that the composition of men's bodies are typically stronger (muscle mass, bone mass, daily required nutrient intake, etc.), than females. You can go through all the surgeries and take all the pills you want, but that doesn't change your DNA. After spending years studying the human body in college and seeing more examples of blatant ignorance for science like this video, it's unbearable. The fact this has unfortunately made its way into the world of volleyball, the sport my parents have been coaching for 30+ years and one of my biggest passions, is another sign the sporting world will be ruined at the competitive level unless we put our foot down.

[@jenniferjohnson4402]

JD Smith after surgery their bone mass and Teststerone is lower than biological females. You need to study more because I learned that in my first year of endocrinology, and please read about dax1 and foxl2, deletion of those genes can change your dna.

[@MmMm-og2cv]

On average, men have longer and larger bones, which gives them mechanical advantages over women, since they have greater leverage, increased height and larger frames to support muscle. Their bones are also more dense, and they have tougher ligaments, making them less prone to sports injury. Since these physical and physiological factors give most men a clear competitive edge in sports, is it fair or even safe for biological males - with larger muscle mass, hearts and lungs and greater strength, acceleration and speed - to compete against girls and women? Men also tend to have larger internal organs. This sounds like a disadvantage for sprinters, but larger lungs and heart result in more oxygen uptake. The more oxygen you can take in, the more that can be transported to your muscles. VO2max measures an athlete’s maximum oxygen uptake. It’s higher in men than it is in women, even for men and women that have the same body mass and equivalent lean muscle mass. Biologically, men have a higher VO2max, all other things being equal. Maybe it is you that needs to study more selene. A simple google search got me all this.

[@jenniferjohnson4402]

you googled this lol i can goolge alot of things online too, including things that are false, no educated person with a degree in anything we trust such a simple tool as google to try an educate someone on a complicated topic as biology, my info comes from books child, books by established doctors and scientist, and your uneducated fool, because androgens and testosterone manage your bones, organs, brain, blood cells, and even oxygen for life, if those hormones change your blood will start to become thinner, your bones will become weaker, muscle are never the same, oxygen levels change, and your unable to run like a biological man because O2 uptake is lower. You would know this if your read an actual book instead of agreeing with anything any stupid person writes online.

[@GoddessBlueYozakura7]

No these things don't change so drastically. Sure maybe after 40 years there will be a change but not a few years in. I mean listen to their voice? They still sound like a man. That didn't change and bone density, ligaments and bone structure isn't going to just fall apart in a few years. If that were the case a trans person would be in incredible pain. Once puberty happens things change that can't be undone. This is why trans Fallon Fox broke the orbital bone and cracked the head open of Tamika Brents. There hasn't been such a horrible life threatening injury in female MMA before. Every biological male that has transitioned after puberty has dominated women's physical sports from weight lifting to track to the point of breaking records time and time again.

[@jenniferjohnson4402]

GoddessBlueYozakura it really just depends on your genetics, fallon fox also lost to a biological female as well and read about transgender bone density it drastically changes to the point of being lower than biological females, some can pass well, some cannot, it comes down to your hormones, genetics, and overall bone structure, caster who is an intersex runner in the Olympics beats all the women there, and people tried to boycott her as well, but if your levels are within female limits or below you should be able to compete.

[@ecoorbits5164]

People can call themselves whatever they want but it should not be forced on everyone else, especially her opponents who dont have the genetic advantage of testosterone, higher muscle mass and leg and hip bone structure better for jumping. this is not fair and completely unsportsman like.

[@jc-hj8up]

How come this got a lot of hate than the trans swimmer

[@andrewstewart8798]

cause mtf sports is a whole other issue compared to ftm

[@virg0_lem0nade]

everyone's getting so pissy in the comments.... it doesn't benefit you to work yourself up into anger but it does benefit a transgender woman to not have to give up her passion for the sport for the entire rest of her life. i'm glad that Chloe has supportive people around her!

[@kyleeren]

I think that trans people should GET THEIR OWN OLYMPICS AND ALL TRANS PEOPLE ARE CELEBRATED, WELCOMED, RESPECTED AND CISHETS GET EDUCATED !!! WOULD THAT MAKE THE TERRIBLE PEOPLE IN THESE COMMENTS FEEL BETTER???

[@gracecleveland680]

kylee andrea listen. Trans people want to be accepted not separated. Having a 'Trans Olympics' would make them feel different. Trust me I know.

[@wolverine9632]

Guess what, they are different.

[@jamesterpaul]

Grace_is Weird Because they are different, it's not natural.

[@andre31601]

First of all, you have to consider that trans people take hormeones, hormones that reduce muscle mass. If the trans person is male to female, they will loose muscle and have same percentage of fat that any cis women has. Technicaly their strenght decreases. Get educated before you make a bigoted idiotic comment. God bless your brain.

[@vladimirputindreadlockrast812]

Was that the guy who spiked the volleyball into Peyton McNabb's head?

[@kurikoweiber5926]

I think they should allow real women to dope to level the playing field. Ps. Still very obviously a dude

[@noonehere4332]

Kuriko Weiber Health>Sport

[@milanominky2345]

I don't understand the hate for trans . They're everywhere and doing amazing things with a stable life while you guys on here wasting your life to comment something hateful as if it's contributing something to the world and then go back struggling and living a horrible life. But hey, you spread hatred on KZbin:) your life must be accomplished for that right?:)

[@douglasbrouwer4516]

I don't hate trans. I believe you can live your life as you chose to, as long as your choices do not unfairly affect other people. Like a trans athlete taking a biological females spot on a team and having the unfair advantages that male puberty gives to the human body. Or the danger for injury to other players because of the athletes added power.

[@almostfakecorporation6004]

We need the trans in female boxing.. unfair, no logic but it will be a good laugh.

[@rakun-raccoon1907]

Ahahahaahaha, I would pay to watch

[@MEGAeyesWillDIE]

They have trans MMA fighters like Fallon Fox.

[@user-oj6uv9su6c]

Music at the beginning ?