To those who want’s news from this boat I sailed her last summer (2020) from it’s ship yard (Saint-Gilles-Croix-de-Vie) to Port-la-Forêt (south britany, France) and it works pretty well ! We were downwind and we reached 10 Kts With 20kts winds. The project has been abandonned due to shipyard decision (cost reduction and changing in project développement). The boat stayed in land for 5 years waiting for a buyer and it turn out to be Michel Desjoyeaux
@marklong860810 жыл бұрын
It's wonderful to see one of the major manufacturers trying something innovative. There is huge room for improvement in the efficiency of the standard sail plan. I hope they learn a lot and we see something new coming to the market. Put one of these on a lightweight weekender catamaran and I'll write a check!
@meadmaker45253 жыл бұрын
I would be really interesting to see a rig like this, perhaps a little larger, on a 40-50 foot catamaran or trimaran. I hope they've continued developing this.
@pioneer_11482 жыл бұрын
With their lower wave drag they could make way better use of the power and truly fly
@davidsicha3143 жыл бұрын
It looks very interesting. I would like to see the reefing process and how the sail behave in strong winds and big waves.
@timdunn2257 Жыл бұрын
This is a good rig design. My own version predates this, and incorporates junk style sheets that attach along the leach. Junk sheets provide more positive control of the camber, and reduce both the static and jibe loads compared to sheets that attach only at the boom. In essence, the sail is stayed rather than the mast being stayed.
@TRabbit19704 жыл бұрын
Wharram has been using wing sails for decades, and he developed them from prior designs spanning centuries. This one is a nice combination of sailboarding bows and sail batons, permitting better stability of and control over the shape of the sail.
@Daveinet10 жыл бұрын
I had a thought of a similar idea, except I wanted a rotating oval mast to shape the sail. Basically you have the cloth looped around the mast. The front of the mast shapes the leading edge of the wing. You have battons attached to the slot in the rear of the mast. The idea is that the mast rotates farther than the boom. Since the battons are rigid to the boom, they create the curve of the leeward side of the sail. The windward side is stretched flat, just like an airplane wing. Because the mast rotates, one can control the depth of the draft, just by the rotating the mast less or more compared to the boom.
@senatorjosephmccarthy27207 жыл бұрын
Daveinet + A flexible airplane wing. Sounds promising.
@LoanwordEggcorn2 жыл бұрын
@@senatorjosephmccarthy2720 It's called a morphing wing in experimental/theoretical aviation.
@yachtingworld10 жыл бұрын
Comparing the speeds with a conventional Sense 43 was the next stage of testing for Beneteau and not available at the time I tested the boat. This project is in development and we were one of the few granted a quick look at where they had got to so far. For the full feature and analysis see YW June issue - out Thursday 7 May
@ChrisThompson-dh7mv7 жыл бұрын
So why not do a follow-up report AFTER the testing? It was three years ago - surely it's been completed now. Or is this like the wing trials in the Seascape 18s, where the wing was shown to be slower and therefore those promoting the wing kept it quiet?
@isailwind34716 жыл бұрын
It turned out to be a dog. The mast looks like a freakin telephone pole.
@vincent55 жыл бұрын
You have to Pin your comments
@RogerWilco14 жыл бұрын
It’s years later. Would be nice to have a follow up.
@Race3532 жыл бұрын
@@isailwind3471 So what, form follows function. No rigging, only one sail with considerably lower CG. Way less cost to maintain, no rigging to trip over or maintain. Win win. IMO - even if it was a little bit slower, say even 20% slower, I'd still convert to this wing. So much less to do and so much easier to use.
@ram25004fun4 жыл бұрын
Funny you say its a new invention when in fact wingsails have been around for decades. My first contact with a wingsail on a cruiser was in the early 2000. Kelsall has always been a strong supporter for wingsails, especially on cats.
@minimax97269 жыл бұрын
This wingsail looks like what we see in windsurfing they call it cam sails and it feels better in the gust than a "normal" batten sail
@matthewprentiss14605 жыл бұрын
I'd pay 5 bucks to hear this guy say innovative aluminium vitamin schedule.
@elliottrobert61893 жыл бұрын
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@edenronald89913 жыл бұрын
@Elliott Robert yup, been using Flixzone} for since november myself =)
@jcfrazier58537 жыл бұрын
I think I'm going to experiment with this concept and use one of my old inflatable beds, modify it, and try to use it as a inflatable wing sail on my canoe. Seriously! Then when you are ready to dock overnight, just deflate or take it down and sleep on it. Lol
@macrumpton8 жыл бұрын
A review of a wing sail with no mention of performance?
@jeromefaulle4 жыл бұрын
It's a double sided junk rig, so less performence then a bermudian/marconi I guess. more over it has 3m2 less then the original rigging for this boat.
@tullochgorum63234 жыл бұрын
@@jeromefaulle On the other hand it's a full 100kg lighter, which also wasn't mentioned.
@andrewyork38693 жыл бұрын
@@jeromefaulle there is nothing stopping a headsail being used. Maybe not a cutter rig, but a sloop maybe.
@martijnheil88253 жыл бұрын
@@andrewyork3869 Just make the wing bigger.. any other sails are gonna interfere with it's airflow
@andrewyork38693 жыл бұрын
@@martijnheil8825 you can only make it so big before it becomes mater of practicality namely in regards to mast hight and the center of effort.
@TampaTec Жыл бұрын
2 years turned into 8 years later. What ever happened to this evolution of sail boat?
@Bluenoser61310 жыл бұрын
How do you reef? What wind speeds can it handle? How do you rig a storm sail?
@aaronr.96447 жыл бұрын
wondering the same
5 жыл бұрын
Every batten is a reef point.
@Nagpadawala9 жыл бұрын
It was so long ago that I did not think youtube would have any footage BUT there it is. Check out Planesail and the video of the 60's rig pop up. They are the ones that hold all the major patents and were promoting the concept. The boats could even go in reverse. Many a commercial tanker were built with it. So what are the frogs chiming about.
@rogercrier7 жыл бұрын
Has anyone mentioned "Walker Wingsail" yet? It seemed to work when I was at the helm of one! With today's electronics and today's tech, who knows how good these wings will get. Good luck to the innovators, just ignore the Luddites.
@davidprocter35784 жыл бұрын
I remember a chap trying to sell his wing sails at the boat show {Earls Court] back in the early to mid seventies, designed for cruisers, he had little success but a great deal of interest. I wonder if the development and acceptance of wing sails in the racing field will win over the general sailing public ?
@lightbox6177 жыл бұрын
In the 1990's, I was invited to sail a small catamaran on Barnegat bay in NJ USA. At the time, it was the fasted boat I ever drove poorly.
@yohon89774 жыл бұрын
I've never been on a sailboat but after watching this I think I like it LOL
@Boris_Chang4 жыл бұрын
I’ve known a few sailors who got conked on the head during a “surprise” jibe-one of them actually knocked off the boat and suffering a concussion. I couldn’t tell in this brief video really how much “safer” this wing rig is with a “crash” jibe.
@911naimplate7 жыл бұрын
Wow, that's really something Lex!!! Seriously, Try a Nonsuch, they got it 100% correct 40 years ago and its much better made and far less of a hassle!!!!!!!
@glandoremarine7 жыл бұрын
I work as an engineer on an aerorig yacht called Jacquelina built in Pendennis. We are currently working on a project to do away with the aerorig and modify it to have a non overlaping jib a mast that rotates and a normal boom as the boat sails like shite at present
@montiraystyron15462 жыл бұрын
Saw this same set up on a canvas and paper catamaran in wooden boat's mag. Twenty years ago .
@pforce96 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the "Fast 40" back in the late 70's or early 80's. Some guy took a skinny 40 foot boat and put a balanced rig on it similar to what you are showing here. The balanced rig almost did not need a sheet because it would just stay were you put it. Loosening the sheet did nothing, you had to push it out. It had a big single sail that wrapped around the mast and on downwind legs, you opened the thing like a butterfly. He did a few races but eventually we saw him running around with a conventional rig. Anyone out there know any more about this rig?
@MrTeneric10 жыл бұрын
Won't say it's the future but like to see the experimentation. Reefing, weather behavior, etc. still a lot of questions to answer. Thought the rig would be heavier but 100K lighter without the hardware. Expensive to build?
@laurentfroggy66317 жыл бұрын
2017 now. I haven't heard anymore news on this. Does anyone knows how far this project went?
@Дмитрий-в2ч8к6 жыл бұрын
Да никак. Судя по всему.
@coenzwarts69345 жыл бұрын
2019 now
@tonybrowne72204 жыл бұрын
Laurent Froggy 2020 now
@ubbeus4 жыл бұрын
Well, I think it’s safe to say it’s not smooth sailing for the marketing company....
@CessnaPilot994 жыл бұрын
2021 now
@Motrus013 жыл бұрын
So 7 yrs on. Seemed such a good idea. Any more progress into production cruisers??
@Champsvisions3d4 жыл бұрын
2020 what is the update on this?
@960Design7 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of my first sailboat. Pearson 23C 1984. Very easy to sail.
@pioneer_11482 жыл бұрын
Why was no jib/genoa fitted alongside the wing? I'm sure that you get plenty of power from the wing but it looks like there's still space and I'm sure you'd get more power with a jib/genoa added.
10 жыл бұрын
Actually, this is not a new idea at all. This is basically a junk rig with an airodynamic fairing added, and it has been independently invented many times. It will point higher and sail faster than other cruising rigs, and it's a dream to reef.
@Sean_Coyne7 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. Blondie Hasler would salute you, with a G&T.
@f.j.h.41947 жыл бұрын
That was my thought as well. There's also some similarities to the Wylie and Nonsuch cat rigs.
@radioboys89867 жыл бұрын
also kinda reminds me of a big balanced lug rig
@dominiquestephenson15417 жыл бұрын
It's similar to fully cambered windsurfing race sails with large luff sleeves and flat leeches......
@davidb.cutter46316 жыл бұрын
M/S Olivebank: Junk rig, same characteristics. An English Claymore 30 converted to junk rig by Peter Tripp prior to 1988. Home port: Kittery, Maine.
@Hoppie19832 жыл бұрын
It'd be interesting how this copes with bad weather
@valvetrom10 жыл бұрын
How do you heave to?That rig would be good on a catamaran(like Pha ) One mast and sail on each hull.
5 жыл бұрын
Fin keels don't heave to, anyway.
@JohnJones19877 жыл бұрын
For all the "wingsails are no good" crowd, the big problem isnt performance as you keep stating, but the fact that you need a unstayed mast. How many of us would be willing to remove all the stays and hope the mast stays upright under passage? With a wingsail that weighs a ton. Not many i bet. Moreover, a wingsail mast should be fairly close to the bow. So even if your mast is up to scratch, it's probably in the wrong place. So the market for these sails are brand new boats, and buying such a boat really puts you in the wing/junk sail camp for life, as you'd have to move the mast if you wanted to go back to a bermuda. So that's why junks/wings aren't as popular as they perhaps should be. Technology-wise, its not exactly rocket science, and they do perform better than anything else. It's just the masts are in the wrong place.
5 жыл бұрын
I sailed across the Pacific with unstayed masts, 40 years ago. The masts are still standing after a circumnavigation and long voyages. To me, standing rigging is dangerous. Metal fatigue and crevice corrosion make every little metal bit in standing rigging very vulnerable.
@WolfHertzberg10 жыл бұрын
Two questions for Yachting World: 1) Is Beneteau looking to add a headsail? It seems to me that there would be no reason a rig like this couldn't work with a jib, genoa or spinnaker. 2) How does it work with regard to sail controls? On AC-72's we hear about the fancy hydraulics they use to manipulate every surface and corner of the wing. Obviously, traditional sail controls don't work for something shaped like this. cheers
@texasyankee351210 жыл бұрын
Whole point is no complications, why would you destroy your primary design goal -- simplicity of operation -- by adding complexity ?
@nicolasartheau8226 жыл бұрын
We might say thank you at last ,it is more than forty years that this idea has arisen . What about stormy weather and reduction ?
@SteveInTheOC3 жыл бұрын
As a old guy this looks fantastic. How do you you reef with this?
@TheZzzzzzzz7 жыл бұрын
nice now we getting somewhere I want one
@WojciechP9152 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much more lift you can get from this sail vs a conventional modern sail. In Principles of Yacht Design they discuss trying to minimize turbulence over the mast and I can see this design improving that condition.
@ericoschmitt2 жыл бұрын
Compare with hang gliding wings (they are sideways sails!): Single surface gliders with exposed crossbar and 30% double surface in the leading edge will have a glide ratio between 9 and 10,5 to 1, something like the Icaro Piuma which has wing tip wands may be at 11. Double surface intermediates are at 12 to 14 with 70 to 85% double surface, competition ones with 95% double are at 16:1 and some approach 17:1. Modern rigid wings are at 21:1 like the ATOS. These figures could give you an approximation of the potential lift performance gains. Older single surfaces without battens (rogallo standards) were around 5:1.
@WojciechP9152 жыл бұрын
@@ericoschmitt that is very useful. thank you for sharing.
@FoxingAround7 жыл бұрын
Once you get the bug's out and make it easier to deploy? Like to see it progress. What are people going to do if everything is so automated?
@nealgrieb66603 жыл бұрын
So, it has been 7 years. I've been waiting (5 or so versions of this wander through roughly every 10 years; Oceanwings is another one). What is the hold-up? Does anyone have a good read on the pitfalls of unstayed masts? Is that the issue?
@glutenfreegam3r1772 жыл бұрын
Looks like a modern twist on the junk rig...not known for the fastest rigs but excellent for single/short handed sailing and no need to keep damp sails in the cabin which helps fight against mold/moisture.
@Tigersmundo9 жыл бұрын
On a Catamaran with a genoa HELL YA!!! PERFECT
@sirdon94334 жыл бұрын
Dam! Another of my inventions gone!
@bethells867 жыл бұрын
English had this on Prout Catamarans about 30 years ago. Suddenly its become a cool invention :)
@jeromefaulle4 жыл бұрын
chinese had 3000 years ago, only one side though.
@xoffdraccel11744 жыл бұрын
There is no mast reinforcement. So, how are the lift forces balanced? It could be some serious issues at strong wind. But please keep working on it and improving the design. The wing sailing has proven itself before.
@peteypie3333 жыл бұрын
Would love an update!
5 жыл бұрын
There have been reefing furling wingsails for over 60 years.
@ebeegeebeefofeebee31813 жыл бұрын
How do you feel it?
@oldyeller98494 жыл бұрын
Looks somewhat like a cross of the Walker wing sail and a Beirig Camberspar.
@dougfitchmusic10 жыл бұрын
Cool! I did have to chuckle a bit during the gybe as they discussed safety and the line flipped through the cockpit as if to take off someone's head? Just a a funny little thing. Obviously merely a prototype but I bet this will be the next big thing.
@ckeith201110 жыл бұрын
Beside it's innovative style, are there any performance benefits to it, like something tangible that we can look at and see that indeed it increases speed or stability?
@LoanwordEggcorn2 жыл бұрын
In principle it should have lower drag due to streamlining the mast and having a very clean airfoil shape. Also it should be easy to reef, but might be easier with junk style mainsheeting.
@melcrose9 жыл бұрын
They should put the mast on a pneumatic system that collapses and extends as needed: taking the wing-sail with it.
@senatorjosephmccarthy27207 жыл бұрын
Jeff Wulf + weight, complications, expense, maintenance...
@melcrose7 жыл бұрын
Wait: things break down on sailboats? (You're absolutely right on all points) :)
@terranborn567 жыл бұрын
It's 2017, any updates from Beneteau?
@sailorshavemorefun9 жыл бұрын
How it handles in stronger wings? it is just released a bit or needs a reef?
@ManWithAVision8 жыл бұрын
Where is Beneteau's Wingsail rig now-Oct 2016? Have they brought it to market yet? Has anyone tried one on a catamaran?
@stephencrowther5247 жыл бұрын
ManWithAVision The problem on a catamaran,as with the junk rig,is mast "bury." Catamarans have been built with a mast in each hull for both junk and swing wing rigs and worked well,as far as I know.
@mazdarx78878 жыл бұрын
almost two years , where is it
@TalkCafe7 жыл бұрын
Already 3 years passed and still no news about it. Maybe it was a failure and kept it quiet.
@appmagician32406 жыл бұрын
Make that 4 :)
@mikha0075 жыл бұрын
they made another one and stuck them on a plane
@CheekyMonkey17768 жыл бұрын
How is sail area reduced in heavy weather/high wind?
@CockatooDude7 жыл бұрын
Just lower it.
@Csqd19756 жыл бұрын
You can just lower panels, it's the same as junk rig so fast and easy to reduce sail you don't even need to go to mast or tie up sail.
@mikkoleirimaa106110 жыл бұрын
Some speed comparison data would have been nice (Sense 43 with both conventional and Wing-rig). It looks quite inefficient...
@rainmechanic9 жыл бұрын
Mikko Tuovinen ... The object in a Cruising Rig is not peak sail efficiency or maximum hull speed.... Its easy of use, safety, low effort single handed sailing, ease of dropping sail and reefing.. All of these features are done better than a Bermuda rig by Junk, Gaff, and these Wing Sail's.. This is the Future of the Cruising Boat.
@isailwind34716 жыл бұрын
They ended up being a lot slower with it, esp. off wind. Most sailors will not be interested in this. I have a 50ft Ben i sail alone all the time with no problem at all.
5 жыл бұрын
Almost as bad as an airplane? Does it hurt to be so clueless?
@spelunkerd7 жыл бұрын
Three years later and I still haven't heard about it. Most sailors I know want to be involved in the complex decision making of sail shape, tacking angles and sheet control. This looks like a rig for those who don't like sailing. But, what do I know, I've always been a luddite, embracing old technology. Come to think of it, many sailors are of like mind, ha ha.
5 жыл бұрын
It is Luddite to prefer the far more complex Marconi rig.
@EnholmesHall2 жыл бұрын
So its an Aerorig with a sail that looks a bit more complex
@effingsix3825 Жыл бұрын
Looks like it needs a leading edge slat.
@tomwilliams86755 жыл бұрын
I want one!
@rvpirates7 жыл бұрын
It's been 3 years, did wing sailing become a reality?
@jeanfrancoisdetaille4 жыл бұрын
Twist on the aero Rigg
@DH-sm7sw4 жыл бұрын
Jean Francois and Freedoms
@johnedwards36214 жыл бұрын
Pirate's of yesteryear used fore 'n aft rigs (sloop) because they can sail closer to the wind than anyother type -- for very good reason. Being upwind enabled them to periodically lob shells onto their victim until they submitted. Off the wind, no other boat can compete with a crab-claw sail unless your course requires frequent tacking.
@icemaneu5 жыл бұрын
2019 now and no sight of wing sail on normal sail boats.
@funnelvortex77224 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they are a really old idea that becomes a hype bubble in the yachting world from time to time. To be fair they are not a horrible idea, but their niche is moreso high speed high performance racing, when it comes to typical cruising their cons largely outweigh their benefits. The people who act like they are this grand new futuristic development are typically marketing journalists.
@paulpleasur40364 жыл бұрын
Can this be adapted to other sailboats ?
@briansrensen82047 жыл бұрын
So, how did it go with this magic?
@jeanfrancoisdetaille4 жыл бұрын
Twist on the aero rig
@tinytree1002 жыл бұрын
Can you reef it in high winds??
@Spar19row7 жыл бұрын
I can't believe you did not say anything about boat speed.
@byronfranklin36124 жыл бұрын
Myself and two partners were at the Miami yacht show back around 1983 and tried to show you guys this way back then but nobody would listen to us the inventor of that type of sale is passed away many years ago now we tried hard to show the world that there’s a better way to make a sailboat travel but nobody would listen. The man’s name was Warner Martin Moss
@andypag10714 жыл бұрын
How do you reef it?
@Serhiy347 жыл бұрын
So what about the revolution now?
@SandyGarrity10 жыл бұрын
It will suit some but not me.
@Telcontarnz4 жыл бұрын
So what happened with this?
@movieklump6 жыл бұрын
What about the freedom 40?
@egenc9410 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to fly a gennaker with this rig. Or a genoa?
@DH-sm7sw4 жыл бұрын
Used to on Freedoms 30 years ago - basically same rig
@golf6110 жыл бұрын
Nonsuch sailing boats have been in this, single mainsail only, direction for many years. I believe the "wingsail" is coming up fast.
@theovanveen53759 жыл бұрын
golf61 This is an old concept really. I've had an aero rig on my boat for about 10 years now. Same principal.
@chasx7062 Жыл бұрын
The "junk" rig??? Wharram Wingsail or modernised Gaff rig is better?
@4291juneau4 жыл бұрын
Can it be reefed in a blow?
@aldobongers8073 жыл бұрын
I would love to see two on either side of a cat
@Stevie6714 жыл бұрын
This is probably silly, but why doesn't the mast revolve?That way you could fix the rigging. Ok,go on, shoot me.
@petergrundy80814 жыл бұрын
Interesting
@peterdauphinee458710 жыл бұрын
Does it reef?
@shinjithenegotiator27954 жыл бұрын
its been six years
@CheekyMonkey17768 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to heave-to with this rig?
@jpthomason8 жыл бұрын
+Cheeky Monkees It doesn't look like it, or reef? Sea anchor only maybe?
@brimstone337 жыл бұрын
Just release the sheet and let the wing luff. It should feather perfectly with no flapping.
@dundeedolphin4 жыл бұрын
Performance information would have been good.
@vincent75207 жыл бұрын
It's only a variation of the "cat rig" that has been in existence for … decades if not centuries !… And this particular versions has been under sea trials since 50 years as articles in Yachting World and others magazines show.
@vincent75207 жыл бұрын
PS Not to mention the junk rig * !!!… (where's my head ???…) * And the western version with Jester and a few other yachts.
@a-skepticalman69847 жыл бұрын
It looks like a lot of delicate stuff to break in a blow or mishandling incident.
@5818fa110 жыл бұрын
Why not put a wind turbine on the sailboat. Then it would be easier to go against the wind and if the wind died you could go to battery power.
@bill7391238 жыл бұрын
+Doug Doug There is a video on this channel of a sail boat with such a wind turbine . It looked very good and seemed to work very well
@terranborn567 жыл бұрын
Plus a sizable wind turbine would create a lot of drag.
@hersailor8 жыл бұрын
New stuff is cool but I was taught in the beginning, never have something you can' fix yourself. My gather is that's a carbon fiber mast. The sail is twice the yardage. Besides the price though... I'm too old to relearn a new rig... I would be vulnerable to big mistakes like wondering out on deck half asleep and peeing over the side, leaning out against the shrouds that are now gone. I love my boat. Send me a new rig. I'd love to shake it out on my old Rawson 30+3
5 жыл бұрын
Solid hand rails, friend, and a pilot house with hand rails on top.
@valeriykuznetsov44292 жыл бұрын
Dove vederti?
@Carterofmars6 жыл бұрын
How would one go Hove-to?
5 жыл бұрын
I've never known of a fin keel Marconi sloop that could heave to.
@timhedgesmusiccomposer28612 жыл бұрын
Yes but how about when you need to redo sail when it’s really windy?
@ColinMill15 ай бұрын
If it handles as easily as the junk rigs it's derived from then the answer is that it reefs by simply letting out the halyard to drop one or more panels into the lazy-jacks.
@sionnachog8942 жыл бұрын
Pity the Chinese thought of it a few thousand years ago ...looks very like a junk rig to me!
@macrumpton4 жыл бұрын
I guess it wasn't the future of cruising sailing.
@joshlower1 Жыл бұрын
You can still get them just most brokies can't afford them.
@crapisnice Жыл бұрын
its indeed, once people learn this marvellous easy way of dropping people overboard by tacking they will sell it by the trillions zillions fillions lol, anyway this balanced rig will stablish itself after stayed rig competition mania
@lastmanstanding19544 жыл бұрын
BUT , IS IT FAST ? THIS WAS 2014 , IT IS NOW 2020 AND I HAVE NOT HEARD A THING ABOUT IT, SO MAYBE IT DIDN'T PASS MUSTER.
@id1043354094 жыл бұрын
A wing dies not have symmetry. This "wing" is the same on both sides. An efficient wing must have a curve in one side and be flat on the other.