A Turbulent Release: Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 & The 97% Squad

[@v1rotatev230]

They need to let us download as much stuff as we want, because my biggest fear with the simulator being almost 100% server based was if the servers have issues its virtually unplayable.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@v1rotatev230 absolutely. Allegedly this is a feature that'll come when Marketplace unlocks but that can't come sooner - until then I feel like there's no point even trying

[@Jeff-ct2xe]

@@v1rotatev230 correct. Which is why this was a terrible decision on their part. Even Jayz 2 cents did a review and said this was nothing but a money grab and isn’t even utilizing multi cores correctly. The sim is bad y’all. I’m so disappointed.

[@pieterduplessis6906]

@@Jeff-ct2xe let's face it, Jayz 2 cents produce on of his worst content segments ever. Not a week goes by where he does not bash every tech company. so, when he bashed Nvidia and AMD, did you return your GPU. when he bashed MS, did you switch to Linux when he bashed apple, did you sell your macbook He only voiced in opinion and if you base your actions on that mad man's opinion, then it is all on you I don't him see sell all of his gear, he still uses computers today, even those ones he bashes And if you want it all to be perfect from the get-go before you do anything, then I guess you are very disanointed in life all over the sim is not bad. they have capacity constraints. Do you not understand that ???? is it such a difficult thing to grasp listening to one reviewer talk crap for 20 min on day 1 release. This guy has lost his touch.

[@alanplayford]

y agree! Anybody with half a brain cell could have foreseen this disastrous launch. The reliability of the web and servers has been assumed by MS even though those of us in the real world know that reliance on the upload/download process is so flaky at times!

[@v1rotatev230]

@@Jeff-ct2xe oh wow, I’ll have to go check out his video. I mean, I am might be labeled a hater, but I don’t think this was $140 upgrade to be honest. I feel like we basically paid for a little bit better graphics and a career mode. People wanna say look at all the new planes we have and I’m like and as soon as the third-party developers get their planes working, everyone will forget about those default planes anyways.

[@JRSideProject]

It's a good thing I didn't take the plunge right away and buy 2024 with all of the day one issues. I'll be sticking with 2020 for a little while longer.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@JRSideProject January/ February might well be the best time to buy

[@hypnotoad5041]

@@JRSideProject they already fixed a big part already and its really good already

[@awesomeman116a]

It’s day two now, basically all the day one issues are now fixed

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@awesomeman116a incorrect - I still can't get into the sim beyond the menu

[@awesomeman116a]

@@BritishAvgeek Oh last I played was during night so maybe the servers are getting overwhelmed again, I haven’t gone on today so I didn’t know sorry

[@stephenjones8928]

The only MSFS videos I've watched in their entirety in the last 36-hours are your Avro RJ tutorials. Thanks for the oasis in the middle of the storm.

[@PluckyUnderdog]

It's a disaster, let's be honest. They underestimated the server load, and in my opinion have not thought this cloud based stuff through. They seem to assume everyone sits at home with a 1TB ethernet connection and can stream huge amounts of data very quickly. Most people are unlikely to be able to enjoy this sim as intended. I have a 170mb/s average speed and it looks terrible. Smooth textures, blocky fuzzy rendered displays, it's awful. There isn't one thing that is making me want to fly this sim at the moment. If anything it's making me go back to 2020 even more.

[@BritishAvgeek]

I've got 500mbps average speed at home fibre to the premise but the issue is on their end not ours. I saw a lot on Facebook etc deleting MSFS 2020 (I did think at the time that seemed very naiive!) and now they're regretting it somewhat 😅

[@PluckyUnderdog]

​@@BritishAvgeek agreed, I am keeping 2020 for the foreseeable. Invested probably thousands on aircraft and scenery. It looks stunning, still. And runs almost flawlessly (for me anyway). I'll not uninstall 2024 as it takes up very little space. But nothing is really pulling me back to it at the moment, if I'm honest. Hopefully you're right and the issues regarding loading in things are server related.

[@rogerrees9845]

Well said.... Roger

[@loynsmodels]

i got 557 mbs download and mountains are coloured squares its a disaster

[@rogerrees9845]

@loynsmodels That's much higher than their requirement... ASOBO couldn't fix 2020 and they won't be able to fix this either I fear...

[@kendalley2314]

… yep based in the UK … clicked to download at 16.00 … stayed trying for hours … then up early this morning … spent the whole morning on it … got no further than the stuck on 97% or customise identity freeze🙈 … fortunately kept 2020 … thanks for all your superb content throughout 👏

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@kendalley2314 97% Club unite! 🫡😅 I'd suggest just giving it a week or so before trying again

[@tankieboy2]

Are you on Steam? Are you still stuck on Identity?

[@alanfaulconbridge2261]

People complained about the large install of MS2020 but I'd rather have more local stored data than streaming from a cloud for stability. Also not everyone has a fast internet connection for cloud based streaming.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@alanfaulconbridge2261 100% agree... When they open the marketplace up to allow physical downloads of the aircraft included it should lessen the problem I hope Internet Speed wise I have fibre to the premise and average 500mbps but that's great, if the servers on Microsoft/Asobo's end work as intended for us!

[@antoinecouve5096]

I waited 4 months before buying MFS2020 and will repeat a similar approach for MFS2024, waiting for the most critical hurdles to be solved. Thank you for the quality of your videos that are helpful and always well structured.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@antoinecouve5096 thanks Antoine! Hopefully when you get round to purchasing it, you'll enjoy a seamless experience!

[@THatMex1CaNGuY]

I hope they add an option to install the sim locally in the future. I kinda feel robbed knowing that i could suffer from "bandwidth" issues. Hopefully this stabilizes.

[@KardinalKorpius]

I miss the days going to GameStop at midnight for a game release with your buddy’s for a game you know is going to be top notch. What happend 😢cloud/live service I don’t want myself either

[@jep1103]

Not buying for at least 6 months. Msfs 2020 has everything I need atm

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@jep1103 it really does 🙌

[@gdwnet]

same. I've got a few addons for 2020 like weather force and atmos which add a lot of these FS2024 tweaks so I'm sticking with 2020 until 2024 is in a sale

[@RaffleE46]

@@jep1103 night and day difference in ground handling physics of vanila planes doe

[@Jeff-ct2xe]

@@jep1103 hopefully they will course correct and let msfs 2020 continue with updates. Just the launch publicity alone, they’ve lost millions of potential customers.

[@Stubakka99]

Still on 2020. I knew this would happen. I'm disappointed for those that prebought and expected it to work. I spent yesterday going between streamers and seeing everyone with the same issues. I was sad for everyone but hopefully it'll pick up in a month or so. I'll probably hold off for a few months until the payware addons are compatible.

[@pbullock4724]

Agreed... I'll stay with 2020 for now.

[@Jeff-ct2xe]

It’s really this simple. Jorg over promised and under delivered. He failed.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@Jeff-ct2xe hopefully they can work out a high average quickly and get stuff fixed!

[@micsunday14]

This outrage brigade needs to get off KZbin and go for an IRL flight and come back in two days. The game will be fine

[@Huggek2007]

@@micsunday14 50 secs ago

[@joshuagabsart]

He did not fail, he only under-estimated the player base. It’s easily fixable and tbh playership won’t flood the servers anymore by next month anyways as the average will balance out and improve performance.

[@Jeff-ct2xe]

@@joshuagabsart not talking about the server issue. Thats easily fixable. It’s the sim that’s the issue. You’ll see.

[@Gryper-c3s]

Awesome. I'll wait four more years. Thanks.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@Gryper-c3s 😂 hopefully in just a month or so it'll stabilise quickly

[@pieterduplessis6906]

no worries, we will enjoy it for you. do you always wait for other things in life as well until they are perfect????? Probable missing out a lot in life

[@Gryper-c3s]

@@pieterduplessis6906 Yes, and I don't miss out on anything besides a major headache caused by things like this. If you like the stress, then godspeed. MSFS2020 works great for me.

[@CaptDan737]

I had no issues downloading 2024 and the install took about 2 1/2 hours. Once I was up and running the sim was very laggy and kept freezing at times. I have the same rig as you and decided to go back to 2020 for a while until they get things smoothed out. I do think it will be a great sim once these preliminary issues are resolved. In the meantime enjoying 2020 again.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@CaptDan737 absolutely agree 👍

[@sithiradulanjithgalhenaged6974]

Making a majority of the sim only cloud based is simply stupid on their part, it cant even handle MSFS 2020 loads at times and that just streams photogrmetry. Why they did not code a feature where, we can choose wheather to download the 150 GB of base assets instead of streaming everything is beyond me. Just uninstalled it and really happy I did not purchase it. I will comeback when they allow the downloading of all the files.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@sithiradulanjithgalhenaged6974 the beauty of game pass saving you a bit of cash for now there!

[@pieterduplessis6906]

I got in on day 2 after day 1 97% club membership. Since then, great experience, a stutter now and then, but 10-20% better than 2020. Really nice to use in Cape Town SA

[@malcolmclark9025]

5 days now watching the the pre load video 97%. And thats it It's a shambles as far as I'm concerned Hope you have better luck than i have.

[@mokumkat]

The first thing I did after I finally got in was to see if my Reverb G2 would work... And it does, so I'll stick around with this vr-headset for a while.

[@deltatango5293]

I agree entirely, Luke. I didn't even try to download it yet. Perhaps a week, perhaps a month... we'll see.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@deltatango5293 fair one! When it stabilises I'm hopeful it'll be as spectacular as my intro explained

[@rabh6746]

Well said Luke, yes it was exepected to be troublesome but its unforgivable to not even get into the sim! I will be waiting for a while before parting with my money and I worry about the servers being problematic for many months...

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@rabh6746 MSFS 2020 was never like this from memory! Slow download yes but once installed we could enjoy it

[@micsunday14]

I have a 5700x3d (decent die with a small overclock -boost 4.12 ghz). 4070s and 32gb 3600 ram. 100mbs internet. I had 3 hours on it tonight. . It was smooth and less stuttery than 2020. Running 4k 16:9 dlss perf. No FG. Everthing ultra except lighting settings set to high. Terrain detail 120 and object detail 120. Looks absolutely stunning. Fly the grand canyon at sun rise ...... Just wow. Ive had no noticeable streaming glitches or slow draw times. Smooth looking 50-60fps in rural areas even under 500feet with high foilage count. Btw. Get an x3d . Dont f around with standard x or intel. 5700x3d is very affordable and works well on 24 if you havent upgraded to am5 yet. Obviously. A 5070/80 and 9800x3d will absolutely rip in this game. But its not really needed yet. Unless you want vr or ultrawide 4k Havent gone to any mega cities like tokyo or new york yet. Sure ill see more fps dips there. Standard load was 70-80% gpu 8-9gb vram , 20-30% cpu , 17-20gb ram

[@BritishAvgeek]

great to hear you've enjoyed it so far!!

[@JohnnyDSR]

Sounds good. I am sure this experience will be awesome. Sure many of us will upgrade hardware, but not until we can see a reasonable experience on an ongoing daily basis. I have had to kill the app in the task manager three times in the last hour, and only had a chance of making one flight that had issues. Sure graphics were great I hope the loading suprised will be a thing of the past in a few days!

[@eddiezetlein6582]

@@JohnnyDSR I actually managed to quit the game to the desktop properly for the first time in 2 days and that felt like an achievement. Not seen one plane yet though. Pathetic.

[@peterbarkham4465]

Good points made Luke in your stream. I thought something like this may happen and I hope they can quickly solve there problems

[@canadiankiwigaming]

So Im hearing from some people that it might be a few months until this flight sim works well. For me that really sucks because my xbox game pass will have already expired by then, which I wanted to use to see if the game is playable on my computer before I spend the money on it. Nonetheless, hopefully this will end up being resolved soon

[@StevesSimStation]

I deleted MSFS 2020 in anticipation. I was able to get in at about 4AM EST and was able to get into a Bush plane, C-17, A300M and the Beaver. Since I was able to get in and have it work I jump on the chance to do my first impressions of the new sim. Its a very beautiful sim and looks amazing. But I havent spent too much time in it just yet. Hoping after work today i can jump on and do some videos and reviews of the new aircrafts for MSFS24

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@StevesSimStation i spoke for months advising if you can, to keep both for issues like I have (and many thousands of others!) 😅 if you've got in, great - but that's another feature of the postcode lottery with the servers.

[@StevesSimStation]

@@BritishAvgeek I knew I should have kept 2020 but it was taking up so much storage and I was a horse with blinders on and thinking... ooo I can free up 400 GB of space lol.

[@CactusBravo42]

Why not buy a second drive? They are cheap. I have 1TB free space just for 2024.

[@StevesSimStation]

@CactusBravo42 i have 4 drives in my computer 😅😅 ones the OS drive, the other is the standard games drive for steam, the others for rendering my recording and edits for video editing, and the other one is a mix of Msfs and storage drive

[@CactusBravo42]

@ Never mind then 😂.

[@joshuagabsart]

No game is perfect out of the box day one. This current build version is its fledgling release, with an abundance of future updates to very quickly patch the critical imperfections.

[@BritishAvgeek]

Absolutely - and MSFS 2020 had issues too though not on this scale by any measure sadly. I'm confident it'll develop into an incredible simulator (much like 2020 has!) but they really need to kick these issues quick for us all and get stability into the servers or the cloud stuff is doomed from the start

[@tonyhorn2954]

Once the initial server issue was resolved I have been getting in and flying fine. I have set up my controllers again (I didn't like the default assignments) and entered career mode. I completed the initial flight, did a few runs of solo training then the PPL exam. I then did three missions. I started graphics at low as recommended then moved it up to medium then high. All worked fine and after my last flight I realised I was doing all this at 4K resolution. Not bad for a 10 year old I7-4790 CPU and RTX3050 graphics card. Perhaps my big advantage with all of this is being in Australia so a lot of the world is sleeping while I am playing so I dodge a lot of the server congestion. Tomorrow I might have a crack at some of the photo challenges.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@tonyhorn2954 absolutely - seemingly a lot of folks on your side of the world have been able to enjoy it a lot which is great 🙂

[@owenj1384]

I've been able to load the sim, but then when I try load into a plane it loads forever (I left for over an hour and nothing), found a workaround using a VPN would actually load me in but now each time I load in im stuck inside the middle of the aircraft and the only way to properly start a flight is to start on the runway where I load in in the cockpit. Been a very poor launch, worse than 2020 from what I remember but im hoping this improves. Also still not sure cloud gaming is the way, would much rather have a massive download on my pc

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@owenj1384 I've heard a few having success with VPN which is interesting and that reinforces the "postcode lottery" idea I suggested too... At least you've been able to begin some sort of flight 😅

[@beernbashrc79]

I would have suggested pricing on the game be dependant on the release schedule, IE if you want the game day 1 pay $80, one week after release $70, 2 weeks after release $60. I would have paid $60 and just set my calendar accordingly. This would have throttled traffic from nailing the servers day 1 and exploding them, allowing for an all round more enjoyable experience. It's exciting getting a new game, but very deflating when you wait 6 hours to get in and still be unplayable.

[@randyjones9726]

I haven't updated to the new sim yet. I figured it best to give it some time to get over its initial woes. Unfortunately, using FS2020 as a backup proved just as ineffective for me yesterday. While doing a flight from SFO to BOS in the PMDG 737-800 yesterday, I started with decent frame rates. By the time I passed over Denver, my frames had dropped to 15, at FL370. So it appears the server bandwidth issues are not confined to just the new sim. Hopefully, they will get this resolved soon.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@randyjones9726 I wonder if some of the data streams are shared across the Sims? 👀

[@randyjones9726]

@@BritishAvgeek maybe. I'm using the Bing Maps replacement app, so I may be trying to get that data streamed from the same servers used by FS24. I didn't fly today but I'll try again tomorrow. It looks like things are starting to get better. I still plan to hold off getting the new sim for a bit. I mostly fly airliners and there's no real appeal for me to switch sims as FS20 is working pretty well on most days.

[@ErhanTeke-lg8kj]

4 days after release and i cant fix it buying on steam and still have that problem with loading unusually long log saved to report-loading how can we fix it guys ?

[@vespermace]

I got in during the middle of the day and got to fly around in a C152 in Cape Town however within an hour things stopped loading again

[@BritishAvgeek]

That's likely just as frustrating then - knowing you've got in only for the data systems to fail mid flight 😅

[@CarlWicker]

I've got 12.7 hours of game time apparently according to Xbox live.... all loading time.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@CarlWicker dedication is admirable 🫡😅

[@bailey.nt86]

Im gonna give it a shot right now. Yesterday, I didn't even make it past 6%. Today is my last day off work for a couple of weeks. Hoping to get something going. If not then oh well..

[@BritishAvgeek]

10hrs of trying in 2 days now I still can't get in ha

[@JenniferinIllinois]

I want to get a new system for the new sim so have yet to buy it. Glad I waited but as someone who worked in IT for 20+ years, I know how rollouts tend to go.

[@gliderfan6196]

For sightseeing, MSFS 2020 was already good enough. For glider flying, much better option is a dedicated glider sim like Condor 3, launched recently. It had similar problems for two days, but as C3 is not in the cloud, and does not need any internet (unless you want to fly with friends) the issue was quickly resolved. But MSFS 2024 the server/bandwidth issues are bulit-in. Those issues are in the very philosophy of the game as the drag was at the core of Handley Page H.P. 42 design

[@BritishAvgeek]

yep! No data stream, no sim!

[@tonyobrien3891]

Tried a few times and just hangs when clicking start flight. Worry is this will be normal whenever it is busy because of bandwidth requirements on the server side. Requested a refund and will keep an eye on how it progresses before jumping back in again. Thankfully kept 2020 installed.

[@toolpusher333]

To answer your question, I did manage to fly today I went against FBW instructions and stuck the A32nx in the com folder and tried it. Hey it appears and it fly’s to some extent. At ground level the graphics is stunning at fl390 seen no difference.

[@BritishAvgeek]

Great to hear!

[@makepeacenuttall1388]

Decided to wait until after Christmas for 2024 but after faultless 2020 for over three years it is not working today and did not yesterday. Stuck on looking for updates.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@makepeacenuttall1388 I fear some of the servers are feeding MSFS 2020 and 2024 simultaneously so if 2024 is crashing them, 2020 might suffer too

[@jenny02392]

I think about 10% of capacity is actually online and working, judging by online live surveys. So I would say about 10days for further capacity to grow. Maybe even a Month, I will try in a weeks time and then if not working then again in a month, after that I will leave it for six months if the experience has not improved. 97% club was the best I could do and I don't think it is a Computer specs issue..

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@jenny02392 absolutely not a spec issue our end and I think you might be right with timings too there Jenny

[@MartinGraeff]

No question about it in keeping msfs2020. Don't throw away old shoes before having a dependable new pair. Startup problems okay but this is really a big failure on MS&Asobo's side of estimating the number of users attacking their servers. Cloud-gaming? I am not sure whether they can provide the demand they are up to. Exciting coming weeks for sure. Especially those who bought the expensive editions. Mine is included in my Gamepass, so I haven't spend an extra bob on 2024 (yet 🙂). Until they solve it I am not planning to either.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@MartinGraeff Microsoft have purchased a contract to fire up Three Mile Island reactor tower 1 for AI and cloud purposes so that shows how they imagine the demand will go in future 😅 they're needing an entire nuclear reactor to power enough electricity to run it all!

[@MartinGraeff]

@ you must be joking. Hilarious 😂

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@MartinGraeff genuinely! www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx25v2d7zexo 😂

[@vespermace]

Got the A330 loaded earlier today but now in the evening nothing is loading

[@BritishAvgeek]

The servers have not been happy since release 😭 at least you got to get in and see some parts of an aircraft 😂

[@Photoshopmanipulator]

I am not changing to flight simulator 2024 unless I get 60 frames per second before I started watching your videos I was only getting 30 frames per second at medium resolution thanks to your great settings and your gen mods I now run my system at 4K everything at ultra and I get a solid 60 frames per second, so until you check it out I will keep 2020

[@ShotInTheDark]

Here's some interesting info, I am a long term contributor to open street map, and if you dont know, basically you edit maps using different sources including bing satellite imagery, or ersi imagery. I can see just about all of the edits I have made, including building shapes, cell phone towers, helipads, roads etc which FS2024 is using for the base map.... however.... they are all offset to the west from the map data, bummer! However, I now know I (we) can influence the map, I just need to figure out why they are offset, Ive got a pretty good idea its because I used the ersi satellite date rather than bing (its sometimes more up to date). and also find out how often do they pull openstreetmap data as it changes minute by minute.

[@BritishAvgeek]

pretty cool you can spot your contributions to OSM!

[@Zz2424zxcvbnn]

We were promised that if we purchased the premium version of msfs2020, we were guaranteed to receive all the handcrafted airports in the standard ‘24 version. I have not received any of these handcrafted airports. This is on Xbox. Is there a reason for this and if anyone else having the same issue?

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@Zz2424zxcvbnn refresh the SIM now, that's a feature that has literally this last 10mins apparently been enabled

[@Novusa]

Bruh stuck at 97% again for a whole day

[@deepredson]

Love it. Both installed... for now no other way for me. This is so much fun. '24 silky smooth even on ny old 1080 (not on Ultra, obviously!) I'm just enjoying the ride.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@deepredson great to hear you've been enjoying it so far! 🙌

[@ZiggyAir]

I was able to get in initially and there were things missing but was able to set up a flight. Then I decided to log off and then it took me 4 hrs to get back. Then I was able to do a nice flight in LA and everything looked great. The default airport LAX looks great. The performance was spotty and seemed dependent on a good server connection. Time will tell to see if this is an issue. The controls UI are a mess and confusing. On the bright side, we have 2020 to fall back into.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@ZiggyAir absolutely - I do wish they allowed a port across of our MSFS 2020 keybinds

[@ZiggyAir]

@@BritishAvgeek Yes, cause I am speding too much time setting and re-setting controls!

[@Alan_Saund_Models]

Unplayable for me at the mo just spinning loading wheel and missing graphics...go back to it after a few weeks

[@Evulnation]

Idk why people buy a sim like this on day one. After the major problems with 2020 when it first came out, I would have thought people would have remembered and held off, but nope. And everyone is so surprised and outraged. Just wait at least a week for things to settle. That’s what I’m doing and as a result, I’m not tearing my hair out in frustration haha

[@SKILLissueMAVERICK]

i have the same issues as you. i was able to load in but it was all blocky and all the buildings was un textured and 2d. and im on xbox series s.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@SKILLissueMAVERICK yeah the servers can't cope at all so we end up with a very broken / inop sim. We'll need to wait a few weeks or months I reckon

[@simmybear31]

I got it working about 9pm last night and then left it until today. So far, when it's performing well network wise i am very pleased. Was a bit taken aback to get a message "bandwidth too low" when im on a gigabyte ethernet on fibre to the door lol hopefully it will settle.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@simmybear31 likewise I get that and am FTTP 500mbps average speeds download but it's not our end that's struggling, it's their end and we can't fix that

[@simmybear31]

@BritishAvgeek yes it's just they did stress in the 'required specs' a lot that WE needed lots of bandwidth Ha Ha

[@XavHeath]

97% club here, still stuck with the same issue with loading into the flight. Managed to get into 1 flight but all the scenery was awful, probably worse than the lowest graphics on 2020

[@Medox-fr7ux]

I'm stuck at 97% how to fix it? Platform: Xbox Series X/S

[@BritishAvgeek]

Beyond uninstalling and restarting the Xbox I'm not sure on Xbox mate sadly, on PC you can go in and delete specific folders leftover but you can't do that on Xbox

[@WihteyWolf]

they should make a installations customize to chose where to install

[@muddyfunkster77]

A cloud based game with a global release was always gonna be a disaster but asobo should of known this and prepped for it, then again it could of been MS pushing for the release to go ahead no matter what, my main concern now is when they have issues their end its going to effect everyone and the sim just wont work properly, so even after everything is ironed out I don't think I'll be deleting 2020 at all and I'll use it as a backup.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@muddyfunkster77 my side concern is whether some servers share data feeds with MSFS 2020 and 2024 because if one breaks, the other will too

[@853massey]

Always knew I’d keep 2020 which is running smoothly and stable. Also knew I wouldn’t jump first day. Also waiting on some of you great KZbinrs for a video saying go, green flag, it’s safe now! lol. ✌🏻

[@alwatt9367]

The thing is that with a bottom to medium PC... I have no idea if 2024 would run on it..Just do not get the MFS company mystery from them on what will work or not, so I have no idea if I need to spend a lot of money to run it? Also I remember the pain of 2020 when it came out...One month it would run great, assuming you managed to download it, as it took many many hours and three stages of download. Then an update from MFS and it would not work for a month, till the next update and that really went on until a year or so ago.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@alwatt9367 my advice here for you would be to wait 1-2 months, then download MSFS 2024 using a one month GamePass to try it out and see how it works for a few quid :)

[@DarrenPilot]

Does anyone know if once they sort this all out - I will be able to buy standard edition - then upgrade to the next one and then finally to premium deluxe over a few months? or will I have to somehow fork out the whole £130 at once? I know I wont be able to get the aviator's edition like that (at least I don't think so.) but as long as I can finally land on Premium Deluxe after buying standard edition first? - Any help would be much appreciated on this.

[@BritishAvgeek]

I would strongly recommend not upgrading pack by pack ... I remember they offered this in MSFS 2020 and upgrading from Standard to Premium Deluxe was significantly more expensive than buying the one version you want from the start. My advice is dependant on what addons you want. Buy Standard Edition and then purchase one or two of the main aircraft you might want from the other packs (they have said this will be possible) then fill the sim up with 3rd Party high quality addons for airports and aircraft from Contrail etc etc

[@neil_g78]

Got my key for this but not even attempted tp get installing yet...will wait a few more days

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@neil_g78 hopefully you don't join the 97% Club!

[@alvaropalenzuela3847]

I somehow managed to do a bush flight and graphics vegetation and textures are amazing, my home town was completely modeled! I really look forward into this sim if they fix this server issues wich I now will be solved.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@alvaropalenzuela3847 nice one Alvaro! Glad you've been enjoying the sim mate!

[@matthicks79]

The state of my sim is the same as yours. Can load in to the menu fine but can’t fly anything. And I’m from New Zealand so not on when you guys are. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@BritishAvgeek]

Crikey! Sorry to hear it mate, I know a lot of folk in Aus are getting on, but sad to hear you're in the same 97% Squad as us! It's frustrating to finally get in then many hours later can't load in to anything at all... What a mess - hopefully they sort it in the next week or two 🫡

[@wrongwayfeldman5393]

I am still stuck in the 97 Club, IDK what to do 😠

[@andrewcrete]

Been waiting to buy a PC until the launch. Will keep on waiting.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@andrewcrete you might need to give it a few months mate!

[@alanstringer9819]

I can’t even get past the installation, it keeps freezing at 97%

[@BritishAvgeek]

part of the 97% Squad unfortunately - advice from Asobo is to quit the sim and reboot it because if it gets stuck at 97% then it's failed to load

[@pm110978]

I will definitely be waiting atleast 2 months before purchasing the new simulator 👍

[@BritishAvgeek]

Probably wise! 🦉

[@micsunday14]

I couldn't log on at all for about 2 hrs at 0100zulu then I tried again at about 0800zulu and I had no loading issues at all. About 3 hrs flying and only 1 black screen crash while trying to land. I'm in Australia. The game is beautifull. Ifound it runs more smoothly with more consistent fps than 2020. The special areas like the Grand canyon look spectacular. The lighting ,weather and ground graphics are so much better than 2020 I uninstalled 2020 . I'm on a 5700x3d with 4070s and 32 GB ram. Rural areas are locked 60fps at 4k ultra preset with dlss perf. Havnt flown in any mega cities yet though. Stuttering is definitely less apparent. Shame it couldn't port over my control profiles from 2020, i Will have to spend hours on that tomorrow

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@micsunday14 definitely seems as though Aussie simmers are able to get in a lot easier than the rest of us, perks of living over there eeh! Hope you're enjoying it, sounds like you are 🙌😎

[@MetalMatt2510]

On 97% now for a good hour, do i wait or just turn it off? I thought this was some sort of install ?

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@MetalMatt2510 the advice from Microsoft / Asobo is if you are stuck on 97% (and this join the 97% Squad / Club) you need to Alt F4 the sim and restart it

[@loynsmodels]

if you dont go past 97 it means its not gonna work restart it and again and again but you will get in within the hr soon as each time it loads and stops shut down strait away you will get stuck on another page before that it asks do you want the text to speach allow it because were you get stuck it tells you what to press to get past it and after all that when you actually lauch the flight it does sod all so its all a pointless exercise but at least if you follow this you will be in the sim within the hr just dont wait at 97 f its stuck its stuck

[@Trip_on_the_Sky]

I can enter the sim and I can also load into any airport, only I can't use any airplane since my mouse has gone crazy, as soon as I move the view by holding the right button it starts going crazy spinning randomly. Also I don't know why the little mouse arrow became huge as soon as I opened fs2024. Also some problem with the controls inverted ecc ecc. for my ponit of view this sim is not ready.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@Trip_on_the_Sky crikey! A lot of different issues for various people it seems. It's a shame because a lot of us were incredibly excited for this and 2 days later it's become more of a frustration/disappointment

[@Trip_on_the_Sky]

@ Yes, all the excitement for a whole year and then to see this is really sad, luckily there is 2020, I reinstalled it and I will use it until various updates come out for 2024

[@redsaints]

I can get in and finally load to an airport, but all I see is the copilot, no plane!! Will try again in a week.

[@TazerXI]

I was not expecting the launch to go 100% smoothly (mainly around add on compatibility, not download times), and as such I haven't picked it up yet and am waiting for a time where the servers calm down a bit. But despite that, this still feels a bit ridiculous. The entire point of lots of MSFS 2024 moving to the cloud was to reduce download times, and reduce download space, and it seems to be the opposite. People complained about downloading updates every time they load into the sim in 2020, and being stuck at 97% or in a queue to get into the game they paid lots of money for is not the best first impression. It has only shown some of the downsides of this model, and I think it would have been much smoother if MS lets people who pre ordered download the more of the game ahead of time, and let people now download more of the game compared to streaming it. However, I do hope and think that this will improve over time, as there are fewer people hitting the servers all at once, and the load can be balanced. But I wonder how long that will take, since the load on the servers will be more constant from streaming far more all the time compared to just the once or twice a month sim updates.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@TazerXI I imagine their budget for the servers was Y but they needed Y x10 but didn't go for bigger server ability early due to budgets/costs so sat back to see how quick it broke and what capacity they'd actually need.

[@TazerXI]

@@BritishAvgeek Yea. I imagine MSFS 2024 was quite intensive on the servers, and they can only have so many resources for a relatively niche game. I did just watch the day 1 dev video, which goes into what happened in more detail. I think it was about the server timing out, and not sending back requests properly. If this happened with a critical part of the game, it wouldn't load (97% club), and if not you would get other parts missing even if the game itself loaded (those who had missing default planes). But go watch that, since I wasn't paying full attention at the time, and they have a bit more detail.

[@marinerhally]

Only time I've been able to load in in a reasonable time is using a VPN in USA

[@JohnnyDSR]

Clearly the beta testing for server load was faulty. I was able to get the full load the first time around using the Stream play. Then the next time I tried to load the application, yes, it stuck at 97%. This seems like a bigger issue than ISP bandwidth and more like some local blocking perhaps cache on the Windows op system. What in the heck is actually trying to load in that last 3% that it appears to get blocked??? I'm sure at least a few of the "600 developers" should have a good feel for what/s going on. I fully expect the guys who have given there blood sweat and tears will have a fix soon !!! Let's give them some space and I would hope they are being able to read the log files for where things are hanging. IF this worked for 250K users then clearly it appears to be a matter of scaling and bandwidth to prevent data stream timeouts. That last 3% of files must be massive! How about chunking them further!!!! Wheels Up !

[@gavinwalker1122]

I have given up on it for now as 2 days can’t get passed 97% so I have requested a refund and I will purchase again in a few months time

[@BritishAvgeek]

There's a growing number of folk who have said they've asked for refunds - pretty bad for them to see refund requests!

[@musicalaviator]

Didn't even buy it yet. Was going to wait till mid December, but will probably wait longer if these issues continue. Cross the Land this weekend... the decision will be PMDG or Fenix and not 97% simulator.

[@audgusto]

I am very upset, after having downloaded the game and paying $129 US for the premium deluxe and I could not login to play because the servers were full! Sigh.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@audgusto give it a few days and give it another go

[@audgusto]

@ I will wait a few days as I had initially planned to give them some time to work out the kinks. I am eager to check out the new capabilities of this game. Overall, I am still very excited to play it.

[@Juzzy007]

What a cluster! Deliberately refrained from any 2024 purchase until servers prove that they can handle the load, add-on's are 100% compatible - particularly Vatsim capable aircraft and larger airports and V-Pilot is usable which at the moment it isn't. Microsoft should have foreseen server demand and taken appropriate steps to mitigate user frustrations and let downs...

[@pieterduplessis6906]

you are not part of this type of company, are you ??? it is always 2020 vision to say "they should have foreseen........." Some things you can never plan. This is a lesson simmers seem to have missed in" living real life 101" They did not foresee it. fact, move on. If you make a list of things, you did not foresee in life, you will probably write for a very long time And as someone working in a big company, the size of the business has NO impact of what should have been foreseen or not...............fun fact for the day

[@jep1103]

I want my aircraft in my pc and not in the damn cloud relying on server problems. The land mass and airports fine but the aircraft need to be in the pc.

[@danielpena-un8vl]

can't give my opinion at all since after three days of trying i was never able to get on it and had to get a refund.

[@alexgoodfellow6785]

Sill part of the 97% club in Scotland

[@BritishAvgeek]

It'll be a few days at least I think until they solve it - especially when they have said in their forums already that the 97% issue "is resolved" (it clearly isn't!) I'd suggest going back to MSFS2020 for a week and try again perhaps on the weekend?

[@alexgoodfellow6785]

@@BritishAvgeek Got into Sim today so far not impressed will give it time too settle but wont hold my breath personally I think the streaming of scenery will be an on going problem

[@georgelompardis282]

RTX 3060 is good gpu for this sim?

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@georgelompardis282 should be fine on medium settings preset yes but depends on all the rest of your system too - CPU, RAM etc etc

[@georgelompardis282]

@BritishAvgeek thanks a lot for your reply my RAM 32GB and my cpu is 3.70

[@X774M]

I bought it to find out my graphics card is too low even if it met the specs..

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@X774M 😬

[@mikechambers6517]

Not air rage, more air disappointment. 24hrs after release, I still have not been able to fly. Hopefully they will get their act together soon. Patience is a virtue but only for so long

[@BritishAvgeek]

likewise mate, tough wait eh!

[@kewa_design]

nothing works for me :D

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@kewa_design give it a few days

[@kewa_design]

@BritishAvgeek yeah

[@pyc789]

i dont think in this day and age we should be buying games until release, because we just keep getting hyped up for games just for them to be unplayable......

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@pyc789 the vast vast vast amount of horrendous clickbait doesn't help - people streaming them downloading the sim for 4hrs as if that is some kind of entertainment 🤣

[@Jeff-ct2xe]

Agreed. All these YTers who want clicks and just livestream for hours SPECULATING how amazing msfs 2024 is going to be are also to blame, IMO. some of you went to a heavily marketed and “secret” session at Grand Canyon and you clearly didn’t get to see much because this product is trash in current state. (Not even talking about the launch, I’m talking about the sim)

[@stefanfischer7433]

To be honest, I am considering removing it and asking a certain German company for cancellation. I did, however, keep MSFS 2020 - but mainly for the addons I have installed within. My guess is, if they're interested in keeping the community mood in a good altitude, the developer should try to get this resolved before Christmas. Take care, mate 😊

[@BritishAvgeek]

I'd reckon they're hoping to get the major bits resolved this week 😅 hopefully it does... If not, they'll I'm sure be hoping it's smooth by Christmas

[@thekaon.]

I also cannot fly due to the bandwith too low issue, it just sucks and I was very excited for this release, it feels a disappointment at this point. But I hope I will be proved wrong.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@thekaon. Give it a few weeks and hopefully it'll stabilise enough for us all

[@abdullahrashid7952]

My game just stutters and then just crashes for no reason.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@abdullahrashid7952 probably the servers failing to send you the data, getting backed up and then it crashes

[@abdullahrashid7952]

@BritishAvgeek yup the servers are the limit

[@MrNeilRoberts]

As we used to say often at the company I worked for … thank God we don’t make aeroplanes …. 😮

[@andrewbrown491]

I give up with it, managed to download and like yourself just got spinning wheel when pressing fly now

[@BritishAvgeek]

at least we have good ol' faithful MSFS 2020 to enjoy still!

[@chriswright5016]

Unquestionably an avoidable disaster. However Microsoft would also have taken a lot of flak if they'd delayed the release. At the end of the day, the bugs and login issues will all be sorted and we'll soon forget this unfortunate episode. I've been in sim enough to know that the future is very good indeed. This is massive and highly complex software and it would be unrealistic to not have multiple bugs, even if the server issues are absolutely unforgivable. Why oh why didn't they overspecify server requirements and hire extra capacity, so that this could all have been averted.

[@BritishAvgeek]

Absolutely Chris well said ... On the question of server requirements, they probably stuck to the low end of the budget stupidly and now they're trying to scale up without the accountants kicking off too much about the extra server costs 😂

[@Lee-SR71]

Seems you can have the best pc in the world but unless their servers are working and able to keep up with demand the experience will be crap. There should be an option to download the sim

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@Lee-SR71 precisely

[@billB101]

It won't load _anything_ past the initial game screens. Utter disaster at present. Would be nice if you could port over your 2020 controller settings. I mean, at least I can see that screen.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@billB101 I hoped that transfer keybinds would have been a key feature

[@billB101]

@@BritishAvgeek If it is i can't find it. Although I haven't looked that hard to be honest.

[@julianvonberg5456]

Hi. Im am going to be waiting for 2 weeks before i buy it

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@julianvonberg5456 wise! See how it's going in a few weeks then revisit the idea of buying, see whether it's stabilised and working nicely by then or not

[@Svein-Frode]

I can forgive launch day issues with servers etc. It's to be expected. What I can't forgive is that Microsoft/Aerosoft haven't given me any info about my collector's edition order. No e-mail about the delay, no token on launch day, no replies on forums or e-mail. Abysmal customer service.

[@Michael-zf1ko]

US location? I have the same gripes. All I know is that maybe they'll have it shipped today, a full day after release. Yea, they are doing a crap job at making Collector's Edition customers feel appreciated.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@Svein-Frode Aerosoft are quite the mess at the minute I'd have avoided that purchase full stop if I'm totally honest 😬 hope they resolve it for you soon though mate!

[@Svein-Frode]

@@Michael-zf1ko Europe here. Microsoft made a statement that Aerosoft would provide a tokin to those affected by delayed shipping, but total silence from Aerosoft. I have no problem with delays happening, but ignoring customers paying top dollars for a deluxe product is rude. There is no good way to contact and get support from Aerosoft. The Aerosoft team should have been all hands on deck, be active in the forums and reply to e-mails!

[@Svein-Frode]

@@BritishAvgeek I'm a 40 year flight simmer and collector of all things flight sim, including every box and official addon since 1984, so I really want this box. But it's sad that it has come to this considering the price I've paid for the product!

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@Svein-Frode fair enough that's a decent reason as any! 🙂 Hopefully you won't need to wait much longer mate

[@Jcoub84]

Wow its working for me

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@Jcoub84 nice work hope you're enjoying it

[@anthonyvallillo422]

It would be great if they could offer a version that had only free flight, and nothing of the other "challenges", "careers" and other stuff that either real pilots using the sim for practice, or very serious simmers who are not looking for a game experience don't need. Just sayin'

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@anthonyvallillo422 they're just trying to cater for everyone... But with that idea, they could have perhaps released the sim for 1 week now locked down as Missions, or Career Mode only as a warm up for the servers then unlock the rest next week (to give time to work out server requirements, user numbers etc)

[@Pittnuma]

Still 97%, cloud gaming cannot be the way forward, I really do not want it.

[@BritishAvgeek]

If it's going to be a regular issue then same ... Others are already in the forums demanding a local full download version!

[@eddiezetlein6582]

I foresaw the need for a fast internet connection and signed up to a 1GB D/L and Upload speed connection, but in 2 days I have got no further than you. I haven't even seen a plane yet. So, for the first time in 24 years of simming this is the first time I've been unable to even load a plane. It feels like a unfinished piece of software with loads of missing files. The worst simulator experience ever since Fly 2. I fell for all the hype. I mean, where are the planes? let alone people. Good news is that GSX Pro has updated all my airports I bought from them and its all linked to FS2024 when it finally becomes usable. I think there will be a download option coming along shortly. Till then , for me its toast, MSFS 2020 is still King and I'll be flying that for the foreseeable future. 2024 can sit in my library until its flyable. Glad I didn't build a new PC now. I can run 2020 at 50 FPS all day long.

[@joshuaspop8865]

What’s surprising is how many people are surprised. I never had an intention of adding the simulator for at least a couple months. Simulators are very difficult and I don’t ever remember a smooth release, going back to flight simulator 2000. This one being very much cloud based, makes it even worse, I believe we can thank Xbox users for this, no disrespect intended.

[@BritishAvgeek]

Sadly I'm only a little surprised - surprised it's this reliant on the data feeds to just run the sim full stop yet they failed to prepare for the volume trying to enjoy it. They must have known approximate values from calculations/estimate models they should have ran before release so I'd have liked to see at least today some stability and not the failure continue into a full 24hrs post release and beyond

[@joshuaspop8865]

@ I get it, but I’m sure this goes way above the actual developers of the simulator. Microsoft has the wallet and they are probably pinching pennies. I’m sure the actual developers wish they could’ve opened with more capacity, but there’s always a budget. Half the kids with an Xbox have game pass and are probably trying to install this thing. If it was just a PC release first, we probably wouldn’t be seeing half of these problems. The developers are having to balance this thing between high-end PCs and Xbox users. The developers really should’ve allowed the PC users to load whatever they wanted instead of being so cloud reliant. I feel like it’s a huge mistake, but again, Microsoft controls the money. I think the addition of Xbox has been the worst thing that ever happened to the simulator and the best thing, because it’s made it highly profitable which means more developers are in the business.

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@joshuaspop8865 great points - the pre-orders for PC would have given them a base set of numbers but there's no way to guess numbers on GamePass and as you say there's always a budget for this stuff!

[@flightpowersims3299]

I've been doing timing for over 35 years. You never buy a sim just released. You need to wait at least a year minimum 😂

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@flightpowersims3299 a year will probably be about right for when this stabilises I think - it took Devs 2 years to get MSFS 2020 to a half decent level

[@a320simcaptain6]

why have they used completely different key bindings to fs2020? its a disaster!!! cant fly!!

[@BritishAvgeek]

@@a320simcaptain6 no idea, not helpful is it 😅

[@gerasimosmusicianofficial]

I refunded it in time and will wait for some months until the main issues will be solved. It's a pity for all this mess, but since the publisher is Microsoft and not an indie developer they have no excuse at all

[@BritishAvgeek]

I've seen a few comments now saying they've done this! Hopefully in time it'll solve itself