A USB to 10GbE Adapter - YES PLEASE!!! (Review)

[@nascompares]

*update* Massive Thanks to youtube user '@sl1ckk1ll3r' who spotted how I was hitting that odd bottleneck at the 08:05 mark. In my haste, I didn't spot that the adapter is mounted on a M.2 SATA bridge - which is a 6GB/s bottleneck. Still investigating how AJA/ATTO hit 1GB without caching over smb, but massive props to them for @sl1ckk1ll3r for catching on the board.

[@mrbiffo6729]

The 6Gb/s limitation would only be an issue if it was an actual SATA connection to the controller. As it is, it's PCIe (x1 or x2) going across the connector from the carrier board. Depending on if the link is training at Gen 3 or Gen 4, there could be a bottleneck since a Gen 3 x1 link maxes out at ~8Gb/s. Everything else should have enough bandwidth to not be a bottleneck, assuming that there's no signal integrity issues causing other problems. That said, thanks for the review! I had no idea that you could get super fast USB Ethernet adapters nowadays.

[@Johnwhodunit]

I'm not sure how that's the case. I have two of these adapters that I use with an Intel Mac Mini and M1 Studio and get full wire speeds with it connecting to a Ugreen 6800 Pro running TrueNAS Scale. The Macs have integrated 10 Gbe ports so I use them with these adapter to do SMB MultiChannel connections to a single drive NVMe pool (tried with both Gen 4x4 and Gen 3x2) to the dual 10 Gbe ports on the 6800. Timed transfers of a large (100GB) file reliably clocked around 2,000 MB/s which would be impossible if it was only capable of 600 MB/s. It's something in the specifics of your setup as the adapter must have at least a Gen 3x2 link

[@Yiveytube]

@@Johnwhodunit+1 on that! I just got mine a few days ago and it has no problem saturating the 10GbE link when I connect my iMac. Perhaps the controller works better when using TB instead of USB?

[@gibsonblogger]

This device has a M.2 key type of "B+M" which has 2 PCIe lanes which is what the AQC113 has. Also, this is a Thunderbolt 3 device, not USB4. The Thunderbolt controller is the IC marked JHL6240 on the back of the M.2 carrier. A host's USB4 ports must support the Thunderbolt 3 compatibility option to use this.

[@mrbiffo6729]

@@gibsonblogger thanks for the research! In that case, it's a PCIe 3.0 connection and hopefully the link is training to be x2 wide.

[@kevbo2750]

Glad to see 10GbE getting more affordable. Do I need 10GbE? No. Do I want it? YESSSSSS!

[@nascompares]

*hands you a box of Cat6e cables* that does it, now you have to smoke the whole pack!

[@Vatharian]

Why... why do you NOT need 10 Gb/s? How people live with 100 or 200 MB/s of GbE I do not know, when typical project total file size of -whatever- is often several hundred GB or TB? There are mechanical hard drives that are close to filling 10G link. To add insult to injury, 10 Gig Ethernet is almost quarter a century old! The 1.0 spec was approved in 2001! We should all be rocking 10G NICs everywhere since 2010 at least.

[@LordApophis100]

Do you need an SSD or do you want to use an HDD as your main drive? You can get used 25 and 100GbE stuff for quite good prices. Being able to transfer files at 2 GB/s instead of 100 MB/s speeds things really up.

[@eat.a.dick.google]

@@nascompares Cat6a

[@night_h4nter]

@@Vatharian not everyone is a fucking video/raw photo editor. my heaviest project is less than 250 mbs, while my average ones are under .5 mb

[@waynetaylor2784]

Note that the AQC113c has a design bug. Marvell issued a May 2022 notice that the 113c may fail to link up with PCIe during power on, reboot, or sleep/wake in many PCs. Marvel has consequently discontinued this part.

[@nascompares]

Thanks for sharing bud, greatly appreciate the extra input for me and everyone. Have a great weekend

[@waynetaylor2784]

@@nascompares Aquantia was acquired by marvel btw

[@fwiler]

Unfortunately there's problems with just about every affordable 10Gb adapter out there, whether it's Mellanox (nvidia) or Intel. It highly depends on the system and the OS. I do not have any issue the a 113c I have or the AQC100. But I have run into issues with 113, x520, x540, x550, x710, cx3, cx4

[@waynetaylor2784]

@@fwiler complete rubbish

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@fwiler sounds like the issue is your 10gbit switch, it's not normal to have pretty much all server brands barf out like that

[@Yiveytube]

Yes, just got mine unit of those the other day! Super happy with it! Payed $97 incl shipping. Works great with TB3 on my iMac. I like that it’s really a TB3/USB4 to M.2 inside so I’m going to order a M.2 to PCIe riser to try some other PCIe cards. I was sort of shocked when I found it, because it was so cheap, but found some other written reviews and took the plunge. Very happy!

[@miksu103]

I'm really excited about the new RTL8126 5Gbps adapters you can buy for around 20€. The RTL8157 should also bring 5Gbps with a USB 3.2 connection really soon. For the price difference 5Gbps may make more sense than 10Gbps for a lot of applications.

[@levifig]

Most folks need this type of adapter for their laptops, not their NAS’es!! If you need 10Gbps connectivity on your storage, you should be buying one with 10Gbps or PCIe expansion. But this kind of adapter is a godsend for more affordable 10Gbps connectivity on CLIENT devices with limited or no PCIe expansion, like laptops and miniPCs!

[@Trig0r]

You should try pulling the m.2 card out of the enclosure and sticking it into an m.2 header directly on your board...

[@Ultrajamz]

*turns into skeleton waiting on new synology hardware

[@DigitalBenny]

Same ☠️

[@slimstates]

I actually love the seagulls with the content! :D

[@nascompares]

*reaches behind shoulder* so, do you want the knife back?

[@bitcoinsig]

Just note that these often don't have offloading/rdma support, so your speed gets throttled by the max ghz speed of a single core. If I were to guess, it's very likely if you had opened the task manager and viewed the cpu utilization, your top speed was a result of a pegged single core somewhere on wither the laptop or the nas. It;s just something to note when adding these types of devices to budget devices, like a raspberry pi, over using a pci card which may have rdma.

[@tommybronze3451]

I'm using for last 2 years an USB-C, thunderbolt 3 .... which falls under the usb-c speed requirements to 10GBe. It's great for laptop, but NOT for server ... those are not stable enough. And my one is actually the QNAP and works as a standard usb-c without need for thunderbolt protocol (yes tested it under linux on AMD machine and it purrs like a kitten). So that's not that new thing. Yes it was expensive, but it really helped me achieve a very stable 10gig connection for my laptop.

[@StenIsaksson]

I have an internal TP-Link TX401 10Gbit PCIe card. It has a 4x PCIe connector. I noticed when I connected the card to a 1x slot on the motherboard the bandwidth was limited to about 600 MB/s In that USB version, the M.2 slot might just use one lane.

[@nascompares]

Already solved this I think (with another YTer in the pinned comment). SATA M.2...ARRRGGHH

[@MrMoonsilver]

Another advantage is that TB doesn't work on all mainboards. Namely the ones that obviously don't have TB

[@nascompares]

I'm looking forward to seeing how USB4 adoption on NAS systems are going to open the door to way, WAY cheaper and accessible 10GbE and 25GbE...now THAT I am looking forward to. At least 5 high enthusiast/Prosumer desktop profile systems coming at the year from the mainstream NAS brands that have USB4...BOOM!

[@vladimir.smirnov]

What worries me, that PCIe cards based on same Marvell AQC113 chipset have a relatively massive heatsink (and kinda needs one for ~5W power consumption), while this one on one hand looks like they planned chassis to be a part of heatsink, but after disassembly it looks like internal tiny radiator just don't come into contact with it at all and I wonder if that small piece of metal is enough to keep it cool under load?

[@NickNickE]

Is this not the lower power ‘commercial’ version that Is used in the Apple studio / Mac mini with 10gbe upgrade? I assumed Apple had bought up the supply of these, that’s why we’ve waited so long for the version that doesn’t run as hot to be more widely available.

[@ShawnKoppenhoefer]

@@NickNickE Inside SystemSettings>About>Thunderbolt on a laptop M2 Pro,.. this is identified as "Thunderbolt3 LP SSD" which I understand the LP is meant to say "Low Power" device.

[@momotoneko]

I find rj45 10gbe stuff runs h-o-t… (I’ve been recently transitioning to fibre) just wondering if you run a test with some better cooling… dry ice or something… 😅… see if it transfers quicker 😊

[@nascompares]

I'll add it to the to-do list, but that's a tough setup on a budget. Maybe standard ice packs

[@espressomatic]

If you come across a device with SFP+ at a similar price point, please make another video. I have this one on order, but the copper connection means another $30 or so to connect it to my SFP+ switch.

[@file1man]

​@ I'm faily certain 10 gbe has severe heat problems, especially where the wire goes into the switch.2.5 should be best for most people. So what about the heat?

[@fanshaw]

We really should be encouraging PCIE, not USB where performance is important. It encourages oversubscription and people end up wondering why their stuff doesn't work well. Demand more PCIE lanes.

[@PatrickDKing]

Everything 10Gbe needs to come down in price.

[@nascompares]

and maybe it's devices like that that'll kick start it

[@sysbofh]

10Gb fiber too. What they are asking for a lousy single SFP+ network card is insulting... These things should be WAY cheaper by now.

[@jaylord55]

was wondering if that works out of the enclosure with the nvme to the 10gig directly in the nvme slot on motherboard

[@nascompares]

almost certaoinyl yes, but checking that next week + other tests (with this device - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DBaonNv )

[@jaylord55]

@@nascompares cool i know my current nas has 0 pcie lanes left over and still has 1 nvme slot left i could throw one into if it worked

[@kpetsas]

I have the Qnap 10gbe adapter and it works great and stable. But it is very noisy. I look forward to using internal pcie cards to replace that.

[@mikegrok]

IOCrest also has a m.2 10gbe. This may be that adapter combin d with a nvme adapter.

[@adriftatlas]

Interesting to see my Reddit post mentioned at 0:33 on a KZbin video I randomly clicked. 🤣 I tried out Sabrent's TB3 10GbE NIC in July of last year and was not impressed with it's performance. It didn't like dealing with tons of small packets, which limits its general purpose use. You mentioned that the one you bought appears to be an AQC113, so it's at least newer than the previous gen AQC107. How are the thermals on it? Any better than the old ones? I'd love to try one but I don't know if I want to buy something that expensive off AE. It's always a gamble with them and returns are a pain.

[@nascompares]

Tbh yours was the best comment I found on it to emulate the point, so kudos for being eloquent and concise (unlike me in like 85% of my vids)

[@rustyshackleford7200]

Haha I think the seagulls are part of the channel now

[@nascompares]

I mean..they are. Much like the scar on my elbow is a part of my body....but I bloody wish it wasn't! Just a shame I cannot afford a new studio/limb

[@TimHunold]

Aoostar has a 4 bay 2.5gbe N100 powered system at a very decent price.

[@nascompares]

Yep, already headed my way at the end of theonth (I hope), so expect the review

[@tonicipriani]

I wonder if that board is the same as those USB4 to NVMe dongles, just now it includes an M.2 to 10GbE adapter. if it's a B+M Key, maybe try plugging an SSD into that board?

[@nascompares]

Almost certainly is. I have the m.2 to 10GbE PCB+cable pack on order, so will do a bunch of mini tests when it arrives (this one s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DBaonNv )

[@tonicipriani]

@@nascompares Well then you can already jerryrig an 10GbE SFP one, those are already available as M.2 (see Ali item 1005007177318125). Albeit that the SFP card is oversized and won't fit inside the heatsink case.

[@TimothyLipinski]

Great Video ! My new Dell laptop only has USB 3.2 Gen 1 and USB 2.0 and HDMI to watch your video on the BIG Screen ! tjl T. Lipinski

[@tttomtxhc]

I wanna swap out the RJ45 adapter board with an SFP+ adapter 👀

[@jeffnew1213]

Interesting device! I currently use four OWC Thunderbolt-to-10G adapters on four mini systems which serve as VMware vSAN nodes, and they have been fine, though they run very, very hot. Unfortunately, prices for most variations of those adapters have gone up over the last couple of years. I always wondered by there were no USB 3.1-to-10G adapters. USB 3.1 is much more common than Thunderbolt. I guess we're still not getting those, but as USB 4 gains in popularity -- something that might take a couple of years until it's actually common on devices -- this new adapter might come in handy. Mention of a 25G version piques my interest as well. Unfortunately, a newly acquired RackStation 2418RP+, which needs both a 25G adapter and SSD caching, and has only a single PCIe slot which can accomodate either, but not both of those, is not a candidate for the 25G adapter, as it has no USB 4 or Thunderbolt ports. I am still stuck with a 25G PCIe card and two SATA SSDs occupying two drive bays. Regards to the seagulls.

[@nascompares]

Ok, so, 1) DISREGARDS to the seagulls. But also (I should have mentioned this in the vid) the 25G and even 10G qnap ones are/will be using an ASMedia controller that is remarkably new.

[@jeffnew1213]

@@nascompares Whoever releases these, or ASMedia itself, needs not only to provide Windows and Linux drivers, but also an ESXi VIB. These aren't typical consumer devices, these are data center class devices, or should be thought of that way.

[@MrAntonow225]

Could I remove the internal m.2 module and plug it straight into a pc motherboard m.2 socket? If it uses pcie internally is it any different?

[@nascompares]

That's already on my 'to do list' for tests next week, along side testing a few NAS that have USB4. Even then, it will just add a 10GbE to the internal of a NAS..which is already a 'thing' (see here s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DBaonNv ). I ordered one this morning whilst editing this vid (you can see the email order notification in an early screen grab of this video, which I left in). Should arrive in about 7-10 days. That'll be the next fun little modder vid. The big hurdle is that AQtion driver...the QNAP alternative device runs on an ASmedia chip

[@neta540]

@@nascomparesshucking m2 network adapters sound like a nice thing to look at

[@marcogenovesi8570]

it should work, the network chip on the card is pcie

[@jaapkamstra9343]

Interesting: it being a m.2 have you tried connecting it directly to a m.2 slot? that would be cool :)

[@nascompares]

Next test, I promise!

[@clusty1]

Any reason you did not test using something like iperf3 ? Doing a file copy includes a lot of issues, that could not be related to the networking perf.

[@korayus]

Great review as always. I just want to ask if I can use 10gbe m.2 card directly on a computer mother board (gen 3 x4). If it works, than I can upgrade to 10Gbe on pc much cheaper and easily.

[@SwissPGO]

I use the sonet since about 3 years on my mac laptop since I have 10 Gb/s fibre to my home (and office). It's bulky and gets quite hot, but has worked flawlessly. If the electronics is the same, i wonder if the smaller package will dissipate enough heat?

[@manc01]

I wish that this (I am sure that it can't) could plug into a network port and then connect to a USB drive to provide SMB shares.

[@5urg3x]

You can find the 10Gb pizza box ones used for cheap. I got mine (OWC branded) for $75. It’s the same as the Sonnet, S chip with secure firmware (preferred if using a mac). What USB4 chip is this IOCrest actually using? I’m guessing ASmedia?

[@robertlee6338]

What confusion do you have about the two 10gbe TB devices? 2 minute search would have told you that QNAP and Sonnet 10gbe TB adapters use last generation Marvell/Aquantia AQC107 and IOCREST use latest generation Marvell/Aquantia AQC113

[@nascompares]

The confusion is about the presentation of the product. It is being marketed on numerous stores as a USB4 adapter (with TB3/4 support) but lots of the marketing materials online, as well as the packaging of the product just state 'Thunderbolt' or Thunderbolt 3'

[@robertlee6338]

@@nascompares The older product came out before USB4 was common or released. Do you expect all the USB3 product makers to redo their websites and printed material to state backward compatible with USB4?

[@nascompares]

Yes, I do. If you want to market a product in 2024 and you have stock to shift, it's really easy to add 'USB4' to your website

[@robertyboberty]

Got one of these it's doing an admirable job. Was dirt cheap on Ali Express. It likes ventilation so plan for that

[@nascompares]

Nice. Cheers for sharing

[@PremiumProductionsUK]

What's the benefit of this system over a 5Gbps adaptor, given that, 5Gbps is 640MBps and you maxes out under this with the 10Gbps? It would have been good to see you do the same transfers with the 10Gbps Thunderbolt adaptor you have.

[@carlgustav7196]

Hi there and thanks for Your video. I was lucky to get a OWV TB3 10G Adapter back in 2022 for „only“ 189 EUR (I think it was an „open box“ device). Fortunately, I could not see a significant bottleneck so far ( File transfers are just a little shy under 1200 MegaByte / s). I understand Your review in this was, that the device tested ist a USB4 to M.2 Adapter wirth an M.2 Network adapter. It would be interesting, if there is still a bottleneck, if You put the 10G network card directly into a regular M.2 slot on a mainboard.

[@interfacetc02]

I have bought this one, it is amazing 10GbE Adapter. The price has increased a little bit, but still is reasonable. I think a lot of similar solution is coming, the price will be drop more~

[@ne0dam]

I'm quite curious of the behaviour of the tiny little network card inside the case if it is directly plugged'in a M.2 sata port of a motherboard.

[@samgao]

it's annoying how there are no ITX motherboards with 10Gbe to assist in video production off a NAS.

[@TomRobakCom]

I'm using qnap 10gbe usb card... can you write few words about heat and noise of IOCREST (qnap is hot and loud - very annoying)

[@WonderSausage]

This is not a USB adapter. USB4 requires Thunderbolt 3 as a sub-feature, and this is using TB3. This is Iocrest's long-standing M.2 10GbE adapter on top of a Thunderbolt 3 bridge board in an external enclosure. I imagine they are calling it "USB4" because that sounds trendy, but it's just a Thunderbolt 3 adapter. The only thing notable about it is that it's available a bit cheaper than other TB3 10GbE adapters on the market (e.g. $100 vs. $123). The bridge board literally has an Intel Thunderbolt logo on it, which should have been a clue. Look at your own photo. If you rotate the photo 180 degrees and zoom in on the BGA chip, you can tell it's an Intel JHL6240 Thunderbolt 3 controller from 2019. You could have googled this in seconds. In short, this is just another AQC113 over TB3, nothing to see here, move along. This device is not using a SATA bridge, there is no such thing as a PCIe device behind a SATA bridge. The only thing you can connect to SATA, is a SATA device (obviously). If this adapter performs at less than 10GbE wire speed that's because of the Thunderbolt encapsulation overhead, which shouldn't be high enough to bring it down to 6Gbps. You're probably using a SATA SSD on one end or the other.

[@PierreVilleneuve88]

I am still waiting for a m-ITX motherboard with 10Gbe built-in. I don't want 4 slow ports. And unfortunately, CWWK doenst have a board with USB4 even if they are using gen 14th Intel CPU.

[@Raintiger88]

I've been looking at M.2 PCIe 10gbe adapters for months. No idea why they are so expensive and while I'd love to buy a few for machines I have where I can't use a card, the pricing is ridiculous.

[@johnfritz1164]

Can you try iperf3 between the laptop and the NAS? I would like to see the network numbers that way.

[@droneforfun5384]

How can the 10g nics be sovexpensive? Hardware seems like 5usd max

[@RRMIAMI]

Compatible with thunderbolt 4 dock stations?

[@TimoGoetz]

I have a question: I have the new 8 bay Das from Ugreen. I trying since days to connect my MacBook to the Gas via Ethernet wire directly, but it didn't work. I activate already the SMB in the Green Nas. But the Problem is, that via Lan cable I am unable to connect. But with wifi ( when the Nas is connected to the router ) the SMB is working and I can find the gas in the Finder in Macbook and can access the files. Only by Lan it's not working. Do you know why it's like this? Do I need a 10Gbit to usb c / thunderbolt adapter ? Because I am using right now a 1 Gbit adapter to usb c. greetings

[@BaronCAD]

I'm still just waiting for pcie gen4/5 x1 slot 10gbe nics. Smaller form-factor motherboards (ITX or mATX) are increasingly dropping the second x16 slot, and only leaving one or two x1 slots beyond the single x16 slot for the GPU. All the 10gbe cards I've seen for like 4 years now are stuck at gen3, which needs more than 1 pcie lane to handle bi-directional 10gbe.

[@hiddenhen]

so what's the verdict... is there a bottleneck because there's a m.2 adapter in the "flow"? is there a way to test if that m.2 port is NVME or SATA?

[@TheFishTankChannel]

on those external TB to XGB, isn't there an additional CPU overhead hit for using it in TB vs PCIe integrated XGB

[@mrronenza]

Is it compatible to new iMac M4 ?

[@KaceyGreen]

that looks like a quarter the size of my TB3 UBS 10GBE adapter... yes the same one you just dangled there

[@KaceyGreen]

Eat a calculator :D

[@nascompares]

It was that, or go F a microwave...and I perhaps felt that I was crossing an line there....

[@KaceyGreen]

@@nascompares LOL, yeah don't need the AI suppressing the video

[@MrSunDevil23]

I paused to read the bus test-hahahaha!! We will likely never meet but I am raising a beer to you mate!!

[@nascompares]

Cheers mate! (Both definitions)

[@Vara91391]

Does this work for PC windows 11, or is this yet another Apple only thing ?

[@yesmanhk]

seems my DS920+ with Intel Celeron J4125 4-core 2.0 GHz not going to support this

[@DominikSchmid]

Could you try this adapter with the Ugreen DXP 480T Plus as Ugreen mentioned that their Thunderbolt 4 connections would only be purposed for additional storage.

[@nascompares]

1000%! The mini flash one will be the first thing I test, also an aoostar with TN, plus the minisforum MS-01 with UnRAID. Unsure if UGOS will allow the AQC driver installation, but never say never

[@FinalGrade]

They said they are planning on getting IP over thunderbolt functionality. I emailed support about it. Also if you use proxmox or truenas on it instead apparently you can just use the thunderbolt over ip with no adapter necessary.

[@cassielmeng780]

love your video!!

[@FinalGrade]

What are your thoughts on IP over thunderbolt? I was thinking of doing this to completely avoid having to buy an adapter all together with the new UGREEN NAS.

[@nascompares]

It's good, but also it has a big overhead and most thunderbolt over IP NAS devices struggle to get above 1200...1500MB on the best day! That said, now SMB Multichannel is entering supported territory with IP over TB, that WILL make this a game changer

[@PizzlesTechTime]

I just bought a PCIe to 10 gig adapter and also a thunderbolt 3 10 gig adapter

[@GeekTechTeam]

Me too. And a Unifi aggregation switch.

[@PizzlesTechTime]

@@GeekTechTeam I logged into my managed switch but now that I rebooted my router it is not allowing me access. Not sure what I have to change on FiOS

[@bewa_]

All those existing 10 GbE Adapters you just showed in the video (sonnet, qnap, sabrent, etc.) are suffering from heat problems, thermal throttling and death from overheating. Even actively cooled devices like the qnap running hot after some hours and is very noisy with the active fan. I really don't see that this smaller device with even less heat sinks or active cooling will do the job without overheating? Did you "stress test" it with a longer session but the short speed tests? Ordering it from aliexpress or other Chinese warehouses is just painful when you need to send it back or have warranty claims. So even when it is much cheaper, when you can't claim your warranty for a product that tends to overheat, I see it as really problematic.

[@JonathanSwiftUK]

What! A USB to 10Gb that isn't using the Realtek chips. Um, interesting. It makes a very big difference since I'd want to use it with Windows server, so getting a working, up-to-date driver is difficult with those Realtek-based adapters, for 2.5Gb to 10Gb.

[@_PITBOY]

If we gave you a red button on your desk there ... and what it did was quietly electrocute and dematerialize any seagull that is in physical contact with the building there ... would you push it?

[@nascompares]

I'd hammer the button till it was dust

[@EViL3666]

Is this really USB? Or a re-badged TB3/4?

[@mauricechong809]

What happens if you use this usb4 adapter on a usb 3 (type c) port? I would be interested to see how it go and how fast it can work, if at all?

[@nascompares]

Unfortunately, tried it, and nothing. Not even 1/2.5/5G. But testing on more devices next week

[@sl1ckk1ll3r]

Sorry Rob but you missed a big problem here and I’m seeing the biggest bottleneck straight off the bat on the teardown @ 5:54 I can clearly see the M.2 connector is a SATA spec M.2 (See the 2 notches which are M and B keyed) meaning the max speed of the bus is 600MB/s as the max bandwidth is 6GB/s Also before anyone say it - 🤓💀

[@nascompares]

Ahhhhhhh! Very well spotted. Will amend the review accordingly and address this in vid two. That's what I get for filming all the tests THEN asking someone else to do the filming of the strip down after-the-fact (to get this published today). Not a good enough excuse though. Nevertheless, I'm still going to investigate the hell of out of how AJA, ATTO (and several other block tests) hit full 1GB saturation during testing. Couldn't have been caching, as it's a clean test externally. Thanks for the comment man, genuinely appreciate it and happy to put my hands up when I F up!

[@nascompares]

Update, pinned comment added + card in the vid. Cheers again man

[@sl1ckk1ll3r]

@@nascompares honestly you're a top man and a bloke I've respected for many years (favourite NAS QNAP 1677X) so I wouldn't be living up to my role as a Storage Architect and Infrastructure specialist if I didn't say something, gotta look out for you. Tbh there are a few reasons you might've had 1GB reads but I'm sure you'll come to a consensus, if you need any details lmk

[@marcogenovesi8570]

both B+M and M key slots are supposed to support PCIe or Sata connection so calling this a "SATA spec M.2" makes no sense. Sata is a storage device interface and is not used here. The AQC113 network chip in this board is using PCIe lanes like any other network chipset. B+M key connector supports 2 lanes of PCIe, and that gives it at the very least 0.5GB/s of bandwith (with pcie 1.0) up to 4GB/s (with pcie 4.0). GB = GigaByte We don't know what pcie version is used in the M.2 to USB-C adapter but 10 Gbit/s is 1.25GB/s. As long as it's using PCIe 3.0 or higher this device is not bottlenecked by the B+M M.2 interface

[@WonderSausage]

@@marcogenovesi8570 This is correct. There is no such thing as a PCIe device behind a SATA bridge.

[@kazumakazuma5814]

This adapter doesn't work with unraid.

[@chrispeden979]

I’m confused, my OWC is bus powered as well. So I don’t understand you said this is uniquely bus powered.

[@nascompares]

Mainly because ALOT of users from a few years ago either had to rely on docking stations to convert TB to Ethernet, or because the first wave of these kind of adapters came from the likes of ATTO...and they were MASSIVE, cost about 500-1000, and needed mains power. I just highlighted the bus power here to catch some users up.

[@InspectorGadget2014]

I do like the pun's and your humor, and yes, I paused the video, likewise Robert A.! I do not eat calculators but I do eat chips! (joke!) But back to seriousness; If you have a spare, unused USB4 (or TB3/4) port available, it would be a great solution without losing a (more sparse) PCI-slot for a network-adapter. And is way more cost-effective utilising the TB3/4 port(s) beyond 2 meters via e.g. an optical cable (yes, these also exist but are ridiculous expensive). As USB4 is not that common-place on (pre-build) NAS machines as far as I'm aware, but plenty with TB3 and/or TB4 ports. Could be a win-win in such situations.

[@nascompares]

I KNEW you would read it..and you counter-punned. Respect. That aside, USB4 on Prosumer and enthusiast NAS is looking v common in the next generation. Adapters like this one, and the ASmedia based ones with 2x10G and 25GbE, for compact NAS, are going to be a bloody godsend. Especially with everyone and his dad, rolling out NVMe NAS systems, even at X1 speeds

[@InspectorGadget2014]

@@nascompares I really appreciate your efforts, your humor is epic, really is! I'm also thinking about SMB multi-channel as USB4 is indeed becoming more common-place as you said, it could be beneficial for those Prosumers possibly in that arena too. Indeed a bloody godsend. Thanks for spotting & elaborating on this!

[@christianponopp8756]

Can you put the 10Gbe Card directly in a M.2 on a motherboard and it Runs?

[@nascompares]

Testing first thing next week!

[@christianponopp8756]

​@@nascompares If you let us know that would be great it would be a cheap upgrade for my itx server which already has a 3050 as transcoding card inside.

[@SpoonHurler]

3:54 Dual 10gbe, I'm listening 😅

[@junior-OG]

😍

[@nascompares]

Hold fire on that! It's using an ASMedia chip and still a wee way from release

[@Nextrix]

At this point you need to start selling "I hate seagulls" shirts with NASCompares branding on them.

[@nascompares]

Seriously though, who the hell would buy that???? Out of context, it would look suuuuuuuper aggressively anti avian. I need to be clear. Pigeon, fine. Crows, kinda cool. Blue tit, solid 10/10 name. But seagulls, horrendous POS

[@ParadiseofDarkness]

Should i be worried that's takes me to a Chinese website that's not safe my computer say. I got the small one you are holding...

[@TransformXRED]

Need DaVinci Resolve Studio.... Voice isolation = no more annoying birds

[@TheCynysterMind]

Trouble for PC users is that USB-C peaks at ~ 330Mbps (Using BlackMagicDesign speed test) My test just moments ago on a NvMe 1TB drive in a USB-c Enclosure give a Max speed 37.0MB/s Read and 41.6MB/s Write My Test on 10GB Network to my Synology (TP-link NIC and Synology 10G addin card) 733.9MB/s write and 1078 MB/s Read For windows users a 10Gig usb adapter would be a waste of money as you would never realize 10G speeds with it.

[@tombouie]

Thks buts where's Eddie; Mr Sea-Gull appears on the show more than Eddie now-a-days.

[@christianponopp8756]

A 5Gbit on USB 3.2 would be great.

[@nascompares]

That exists. QNAP have one

[@TheFishTankChannel]

@NASCompares @2:54 thank you for the joke.

[@gumshoe-tech]

Too Much Coffee? or not enough Coffee!

[@grisha0]

yes... paused... yes read the description... the picture is of Polish Bus nickname "cucumber" - Ogorek :)

[@nascompares]

I mean, fairplay man...you NAILED IT! Also, as if me being hot about data storage doesn't make me the coolest dude in town, I also love learning about public transport...thanks! Genuinely!

[@wooden2187]

If you want me to eat a calculator you’ll have to pay additional fees. 😂

[@CptBlackEye]

I paused the video to read the bus meme and laughed my azz off... LMAO

[@nascompares]

*sarcastic bus judges you*

[@PieVsCake]

So ya... now we just need a synology NAS that has USB4 ports...

[@nascompares]

Roll on 2030 baby!

[@shanent5793]

A proper breakfast, 6-8 fried eggs, should take care of those shakes

[@nascompares]

Yes, but then the rest of the video would be me breathing real heavy and glistening in the studio lights like a big ham!

[@SOU6900]

Guess I'm the one person to pause the video😂

[@nascompares]

Nooooooo. Don't be that guy.

[@SOU6900]

@nascompares 🤣 In all honesty, I didn't really know about the joke to start with. I just paused the video to read what it said, and that's it.

[@nascompares]

That......is the right answer. Thank you

[@SOU6900]

@@nascompares 😆

[@KaceyGreen]

@@SOU6900 Same, but I got the joke upon seeing the old Bus though

[@keithwolf6362]

lol yes i paused to read your bus text😁

[@nascompares]

I respect that.

[@nick9323]

I choose m.2 to pcie and tb to pcie for mini pcs. This way I have old cheap and everwhere supported pcie cards, instead of this

[@nascompares]

What if your system lacks a PCIe slot? Are you saying would prefer a ePCIe case instead?

[@nick9323]

NUCs come with tb port for like ~10 years and also have m.2. So I use egpu thunderbolt and K43SG from aliexpress and one PSU with splitter cable for both. This way I can use pcie SAS controller and 10G NIC with common NUC's. For drives I got emc ktn-stl3 for 120 usd.

[@JeremyMcMahan]

Paused, laughed. (heads to eat calculator.)

[@nascompares]

..it's for the best *nibbles abacus starter*

[@file1man]

I'm not very up to date, knowledge wise, but I suspect this unit has about a .582 gps and you badly are misleading people, didnt look closely at your review unit, and probably should take this well meaning but very weak, misleading video down.

[@kwinzman]

This was soooo frustrating to watch, because in the whole 12 minute video you are never answered the most important question. The main question about this USB4 to 10GBE NIC is if it requires tunneled PCI Express from the host or not. PCIe tunneling support is optional in USB4! If it does require PCIe tunneling, then where is the innovation vs the Thunderbolt 3 NICs that have been on the market for years? Most USB4 hosts with PCIe tunneling are backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 3 peripherals and happily take TB3 NICs. If it does not require PCIe tunneling support from the host, then this device would be something to get excited about. Otherwise I am afraid this is just a TB3 device like the ones that have existed for years that somebody slapped a USB4 sticker on. Secondly, and not quite as grating: I believe you only tested with 9k jumbo frames and never 1.5k frames? That's a bit of an odd choice. Honestly this video left me with more questions than answers. Hope this feedback, despite being harsh, is helpful to you!

[@gibsonblogger]

This is a Thunderbolt 3 device so USB4's Thunderbolt 3 compatibility option is required.

[@waynetaylor2784]

10gbe usb NO THANKS, yeah 20 bux for a pci card 10gbe nic card.. way better deal.. x540 t2 with fan

[@KaceyGreen]

Yeah that's what I put in my NASs but I can't put it in my laptop, and my PC is full

[@nascompares]

Where the hell is this $20 10G nic...and if it ain't 2nd hand, how the hell does it not explode! Cheapest 1G reliable NICs I've found are like £40.

[@waynetaylor2784]

@@nascompares just make sure you buy with heatsink and fan installed , Aliexpress

[@waynetaylor2784]

Keep deleting my answers​@@nascompares

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

@@nascompares of course he's speaking of second hand ones